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Gayle in MD
04-05-2010, 10:07 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">While tea party activists have described themselves as political free agents disgusted with both parties, a new poll by Quinnipiac University shows that a <span style='font-size: 20pt'>majority have a close connection to the GOP. </span>
Almost three quarters of those who identified themselves as part of the tea party movement – <span style='font-size: 20pt'>74 percent – also identified themselves as Republicans or independents who lean Republican,</span> according to the poll. <span style='font-size: 20pt'>Only 16 percent of tea partiers said they are Democrats or Democratic-leaning independents. </span>

And 60 percent of voters who identify themselves as members of the tea party movement have a favorable impression of the Republican Party, compared to only 20 percent who view the GOP unfavorably.


<span style='font-size: 20pt'>Put another way, more than one fifth – 21 percent - of those who described themselves as Republicans said they also considered themselves part of the tea party movement, compared to 15 percent of independents and 5 percent of Democrats. </span>
The poll was based on interviews with 1,900 voters. Thirteen percent responded yes to the question: “Do you consider yourself part of the tea party movement?” – a percentage roughly equal to the size of the African-American electorate.


Those who described themselves as tea party activists are nearly twice as likely to regard the GOP favorably as are voters as a whole, according to the poll. Among all voters surveyed, the poll found that the Republican and Democratic parties had identically dismal 33 percent favorability ratings, with 48 percent harboring unfavorable views of the Democratic Party and 42 regarding the GOP unfavorably.


According to the poll, 82 percent of tea partiers have an unfavorable opinion of the Democratic Party.


That number, combined with tea partiers’ identification as Republican and their highly favorable view of the GOP, might allay somewhat the concerns of among Republican leaders that their prospects for significant gains in the 2010 congressional midterm could be jeopardized by tea party activists who have mobilized in opposition to what they see as runaway spending by President Obama and congressional Democrats.
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Republicans have worked to woo the activists, many of whom are new to politics, even astea party organizers insist that the movement has no allegiance to either party. </span>
<span style='font-size: 20pt'>In addition to being largely Republican, the poll found tea partiers are mainly white (88 percent), voted for 2008 GOP presidential candidate John McCain (77 percent) and adore his running mate, former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, who is eying a run for the 2012 GOP nomination and has made a concerted play for tea party affection. </span>

While only about a third of all respondents had a favorable opinion of Palin, three quarters of tea partiers viewed her favorably.


Tea partiers “are not in a traditional sense swing voters,” said Peter A. Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac poll. They “could be a boon to the GOP if they are energized to support Republican candidates.” But he added, “if the tea party were to run its own candidates for office, any votes its candidate received would to a very great extent be coming from the GOP column.”


When asked if they were faced with a general election ballot that included a tea party congressional candidate, 40 percent of self-identified tea partiers said they’d choose that candidate, while 31 percent said they’d vote for the Republican and 9 percent indicated they’d cast their ballot for the Democrat.


That’s mostly a moot concern headed into the 2010 midterm elections, since tea parties have only qualified for the ballot in two states – Nevada and Florida – and in both cases, they’ve faced backlash from tea party activists.

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Brown said the poll also found that tea partiers are less educated, but more interested in politics. </span>

And though 70 percent of all respondents indicated they were “somewhat dissatisfied” or “very dissatisfied” with the way things are going in America today, a whopping 92 percent of tea partiers said they’re dissatisfied.


Josh Kraushaar contributed to this report.



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http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/34913.html

ugotda7
04-05-2010, 10:40 AM
A Liberal Guide to Debating Conservatives
Mar 31, 2010 Author Scot Cerullo

Liberals have long since learned that debating Conservatives can be a challenging endeavor, since Conservatives have a penchant for fortifying their arguments with facts, statistics, history and other elements that create convincing and thoughtful arguments.

Not to worry. The following are several tips Liberals can use right away to begin defeating Conservatives in every debate, every time.

Lib Tip # 1: Drop the Race Card: The moment your Conservative opponent begins crafting a cogent, air-tight argument buttressed in fact, drop the race card. This technique is designed to stifle further discussion, impugns your opponent and puts him on the defensive. Often, this is enough of a distraction to direct attention away from your lack of qualitative, quantitative evidence.

Lib Tip # 2: Impugn the Source: When debating a Conservative, content is less important than character. When your Conservative opponent states a compelling argument, do not address the argument and instead attack the Conservative personally. Since we are all sinners, it shouldn’t take long to find something wrong with your opponent. Use it.

Lib Tip # 3: Social Justice Trumps Logic: Argue every issue from a “Social Justice” or “Moral” high-ground. The Conservative will attempt to show that your ideas are unworkable, unsustainable or downright illogical. Don’t worry about any of that. Just stay on message by arguing from the moral, social justice perspective.

Lib Tip # 4: Exploit the Weakest Link: Define your opponent by his weakest link. If 10,000 Tea Partiers hold a rally, and one guy has a placard that is inappropriate, that is all you need to characterize the entire group as radical, racist militants. See how that works? It’s simple and fun and, most importantly, deflects all those awkward facts and articulate points away from the discussion and leaves the Conservative in a defensive mode.

Lib Tip # 5: Use “New Speak”: If health care is not a right according to the Constitution, and you want it to be a right, claim it is and then raise your voice. Raising your voice is always the best course of action in lieu of a good argument. Redefine words to suit your needs, and always be on guard for any stray, powerful fact or statistic the Conservative may use to support their position.

Lib Tip # 6: State the Opposite of what you believe: If you are in favor of taking money from producers and giving it to non-producers, that’s fine, but make sure your wording is a bit more obtuse than that. Try saying you are in favor of moral and social justice, and characterize everyone who earns a good living as somehow having won the lottery in life, and all those who want as being desperately hard-working folks who have an almost allergic reaction to hand-outs. Never imply or point out in any way that people can change their situation simply by making better decisions.

Lib Tip # 7: Define America by it’s Errors, not its Successes: Taking a cue from Lib Tip # 4, it is important to characterize America by it’s errors in judgement and misdeeds. It is critical that you completely overlook the good things America has done, and the manner in which it has beaten back one dictatorship after another. In fact, you must go to some lengths to divert people from the notion that without America, the world would be a far more dangerous, hostile, sad place. So talk about Indians and Slaves.

Lib Tip # 8: Blame talk radio and FOX news for fanning hate and racism: Avoid at all costs the fact that both talk radio and FOX news stand in defiant refutation of an otherwise fully agreeable media that presents only one template, a liberal template. Also, attempt to divert attention should someone ask why Conservative Talk Radio and FOX news is growing exponentially, while traditional, liberal media is closing offices, thinning their employees and running deficits like, you know, the government.

Lib Tip # 9: Government is Good: Insist that a massive expansion of government is a good thing. Assert that it is our patriotic duty to pay ever more in taxes so that a centralized government comprised of east and west coast Liberal elites can decide what is best for the unwashed masses, since it would be sheer lunacy to allow individuals the right to make decisions for themselves. If you run into problems, see Tips 1-8.

Lib Tip # 10: Assign Blame away from Yourself: Always assign blame to the other guy, preferably a Conservative. This may require rewriting history so that people may one day believe that Reagan did NOT usher in 25 years of prosperity, or it may require still more retooling of the content of public school text books. But over time we’ll get there.

Remember: The ends justify the means. No matter how cruel and violating the means may be, if it results in a mediocre society where all citizens ultimately suck off the the government for their most meager needs, it will all be worthwhile.

There is of course the small matter of where all the money for all these programs will come from. Right now, they come from spirited entrepreneurs, dreamers with drive and other people whose passion poses a direct threat to the new world we want to usher in.

But first things first. Learn the ten tips to squelch free speech, hurt your opponent with the intellectual equivelant of a kick to the groin and avoid facts, statistics and studies altogether, as those will get you in trouble.

Good luck Liberals! Battle on and remember what Dennis Prager said: The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen. Oh wait, no. You don’t want to remember that. My bad. Here, try this: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs. Yeah, that’s the one. Whew!

pooltchr
04-05-2010, 11:02 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

<span style='font-size: 20pt'>Put another way, more than one fifth – 21 percent - of those who described themselves as Republicans said they also considered themselves part of the tea party movement, compared to 15 percent of independents and 5 percent of Democrats. </span>

<span style="color: #FF0000">Well, being one of the uneducated ignorant southern bubbas, I can only conclude that roughly 41% of voters from various political leanings tend to align with the Tea Party movement...That would make them a VERY powerful force!</span>

And though 70 percent of all respondents indicated they were “somewhat dissatisfied” or “very dissatisfied” with the way things are going in America today, a whopping 92 percent of tea partiers said they’re dissatisfied.

<span style="color: #FF0000"> <span style='font-size: 17pt'> Wow! Did you just post that 70% are dissatisfied with the way things are going under this administration??? </span></span>


Josh Kraushaar contributed to this report.



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http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/34913.html [/quote]

<span style="color: #FF0000">You probably should try reading and comprehending the things you post on here. It just makes you look silly when your posts go counter to your leadership.

Steve </span>

hondo
04-05-2010, 10:07 PM
The tea partiers convince me that Orwell's predictions will come true.
The perfect patsys for doublethink.

And I am convinced, well, almost that the Anti-Christ will be a Republican President, probably in 2012 or 2016.

pooltchr
04-06-2010, 07:12 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The tea partiers convince me that Orwell's predictions will come true.
The perfect patsys for doublethink.

And I am convinced, well, almost that the Anti-Christ will be a Republican President, probably in 2012 or 2016. </div></div>

If it's Orwell's predictions you are concerned about, you can ignore the tea party, and just look to the people we have in Washington right now.

Steve

LWW
04-06-2010, 08:08 AM
I would suggest that you read the book, or at least the Cliff Notes, before you pontificate.

LWW

Sev
04-06-2010, 05:01 PM
We have to remember if you dont have at least 1 Phd you are uneducated in the eyes of the elitists.

Qtec
04-07-2010, 12:37 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">School Sued For Spying On Students With Laptop Cameras Says It Was A Security Feature, Turns It Off

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/school-th...2#ixzz0kOTZg9dB (http://www.businessinsider.com/school-that-spied-on-students-with-laptop-cameras-says-it-was-security-feature-2010-2#ixzz0kOTZg9dB)
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LWW
04-07-2010, 03:12 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We have to remember if you dont have at least 1 Phd you are uneducated in the eyes of the elitists. </div></div>

I wonder why G didn't post the recent Gallup poll on this very topic?

Could it be because it shreds the very point of this thread?

Could it be she shops polls until she finds the single one that supports what she has been told to believe?

LWW

Qtec
04-07-2010, 05:56 AM
Every 4 years America has a poll, its called a Presidential Election.
Why can't you accept that Tea Party [ GOP /Fox] 'thinking' has been rejected by the MAJORITY at the last election. <span style='font-size: 14pt'>Not that long ago really!</span>

Q

hondo
04-07-2010, 06:22 AM
We had cameras in our school but the students knew where they were.

Sev
04-07-2010, 06:35 AM
Well the Tea Party didnt exist then.

However there is a such a thing as buyers remorse. Its one of the reasons that many states have a recall option for their senators.

Some times it does not take long for people to start questioning an elected officials motives or ability.

I would argue that it was not the thinking of the people that was rejected but rather the GOP. People from all aspects of society are concerned about the current goings on in Washington and what it portends for our future.

Just because a candidate wins does not mean the population is required to lay down and let that administration perform any action it wants without question.

pooltchr
04-07-2010, 07:13 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Just because a candidate wins does not mean the population is required to lay down and let that administration perform any action it wants without question. </div></div>

Worth repeating!
As a business manager, I have hired many employees to do a specific job. Many of them did fine, but those who failed were subject to termination. Just because we hired some non-performers to go to Washington, doesn't mean they need to keep their job!

Steve

hondo
04-07-2010, 08:05 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Just because a candidate wins does not mean the population is required to lay down and let that administration perform any action it wants without question. </div></div>

Worth repeating!
As a business manager, I have hired many employees to do a specific job. Many of them did fine, but those who failed were subject to termination. Just because we hired some non-performers to go to Washington, doesn't mean they need to keep their job!

Steve </div></div>

Was said many times during the Bush years to deaf ears.

pooltchr
04-07-2010, 08:25 AM
As bad as Bush may have been, he was nothing compared to the total destruction we are seeing under this regeime!

Steve

LWW
04-07-2010, 08:59 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Every 4 years America has a poll, its called a Presidential Election.
Why can't you accept that Tea Party [ GOP /Fox] 'thinking' has been rejected by the MAJORITY at the last election. <span style='font-size: 14pt'>Not that long ago really!</span>

Q </div></div>

Because it wasn't.

Dearest leader ran on what is more or less the tea party agenda of lower taxes and a pro economic growth combined with a removal earmarks/pork from the budget process and a removal of waste in government.

Some of us saw through him, some still don't.

Truth vs truthiness.

LWW

LWW
04-07-2010, 09:04 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Just because a candidate wins does not mean the population is required to lay down and let that administration perform any action it wants without question. </div></div>

Worth repeating!
As a business manager, I have hired many employees to do a specific job. Many of them did fine, but those who failed were subject to termination. Just because we hired some non-performers to go to Washington, doesn't mean they need to keep their job!

Steve </div></div>

Was said many times during the Bush years to deaf ears. </div></div>

A gross misrepresentation of history.

The Bush regime would never have seen the light of day had the demokooks not ran a blithering and corrupt idiot in 2000 and a confessed war criminal and total moonbat in 2004.

Had the republichickens actually ran a conservative candidate in 2008, Barry Soetero would have been an historical footnote.

Truth vs truthiness.

LWW