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Gayle in MD
04-05-2010, 11:48 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 26pt'>Idaho veterinarian, elk rancher, and political hopeful Rex Rammell first attracted national attention last year when he joked about buying "Obama tags" to hunt the president. Now the conservative activist is running to be the GOP's candidate for governor of Idaho. His platform? Revving up right-wing militias so they are "prepared" to deal with the growing threats to freedom posed by a federal government bent on "socializing" the country.</span>
On ABC's "Nightline" on Tuesday, Rammell explained why it's reasonable for those unhappy with the Obama administration to threaten violence:

“I don't think anyone would argue that America is getting more and more enemies all of the time—both foreign and domestic," said Rammell. "I think the way politics is going in the United States and the Tea Party movement—the whole atmosphere promotes people wanting to get prepared. And I think that is what this is about...

"It's because of the current administration's politics—the more they force upon the states, the more noise there is," Rammell said. "The more concern people have, the less freedom there is. Lots of Idahoans believe the health care bill is very intrusive on our individual rights. ... We are not going to allow them to come into the state and make what we believe are unconstitutional mandates. Even if they can get them passed in D.C., we are not going to all that to happen. These guys want to show a little force behind the scene... I don't have a problem with that."

Show a little force? Was Rammell calling for right-wing militias to try to intimidate the federal government days after the feds cracked down on the Hutaree Christian militia for plotting to kill police officers? Idaho has certainly spawned it own share of militia groups and sympathesizers. Groups like Northern Idaho's Lightfoot Militia claim to have more than a 100 members, though they insist they aren't looking for a "showdown" with the government and consult with local officials to make sure they're above board. But the increasingly hysterical tone of anti-government rhetoric and growing concern about extremism have drawn increasing scrutiny to such heavily armed extracurricular activities.

Rammell himself is a fundamentalist Mormon who has long stood on the fringe of Idaho's right-wing political scene. He began his political crusade as a property rights activis when the state refuse to license his elk ranch due to inadequate fencing. And he first got a taste of the spotlight in 2006, when over a hundred elk escaped from his ranch, prompting the governor to order a large-scale hunt.

Since then, he has espoused a series of extreme views. "All of the evil empires that have ever existed have dictated what their youth would learn and by whom," Rammell thunders on his campaign website, slamming the federal government's role in the education system. A climate change denialist, he argues that those who advocate addressing human-generated global warming are godless fearmongers: "The catastrophic consequences predicted by the doomsayers are evidence of their lack of faith in a Supreme Being who holds the creation and the future of the world in His hands." He has also called upon the Almighty to help save the Constitution during the Obama years: "We are in America's second Revolutionary War to save our freedom, which we paid for with blood. We need God's help and I'm not ashamed to ask for it," he proclaimed in January, around the same time that he held a series of male-only Mormon campaign events.

Rammell's extreme views haven’t always endeared him to his fellow Republicans. He ran for Senate as an independent in 2008 and only managed to get 5.4 percent of the vote. Since he launched his primary campaign for the governor's seat, the state GOP hasn't rushed to embrace him. And after he refused to apologize for his joke about hunting Obama last year, he came under heavy criticism from state and national Republican leaders, as well as the Mormon church.

The incumbent governor, Republican Butch Otter, is projected to win another term. But Rammell's entry into the race could still have an impact. Otter has been challenged repeatedly by the right wing of the state party—in addition to Rammell, he has three other challengers in the GOP primary. In response, he has moved to burnish his own conservative credentials—for instance, by making Idaho the first state to sue the federal government over the health care bill. In a crowded primary contest, Rammell's militia hawkery could gain traction with the Tea Party crowd—and push the Idaho Republican Party even farther to the right. "At one time, that wing represented a minority of the state's dominant party," a columnist from the local Lewiston Morning Tribune wrote last year. Now, he noted, "Idaho Republicanism is becoming little different from Rammellism."
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http://motherjones.com/mojo/2010/03/idaho-republican-rex-rammell-governor-election-miltia


<span style="color: #000066">Seems they're everywhere, the Republican violence inciting candidates! </span>

pooltchr
04-05-2010, 12:32 PM
When faced with tyrany, the natural instinct of survival will take over. We actually fought a war against it a couple of hundred years ago.

Steve

Under
04-05-2010, 12:49 PM
Thanks for identifying a Real American Patriot who plans on addressing threats to freedom posed by a federal government bent on "socializing" the country.

Now, How can we make a contribution to his campaign?

LWW
04-05-2010, 01:18 PM
As a reminder:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.</span>

<span style='font-size: 17pt'>That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.</span>

<span style='font-size: 20pt'>That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.</span>

<span style='font-size: 17pt'>Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.</span>

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security.</span>

Such has been the patient sufferance of these colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former systems of government.
-Thomas Jefferson-
-Pro militia wingnut-</div></div>

LWW

Alfie
04-05-2010, 03:08 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When faced with tyrany, [snip]</div></div>
Tyranny? Are you talking about our elected government?

Alfie
04-05-2010, 03:59 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Under</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Now, How can we make a contribution to his campaign? </div></div>
The Idaho guy wants to get elected so he can (among other things) legalize armed political gangs!!!

Both are very bad ideas, IMO.

Alfie
04-05-2010, 04:10 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thomas Jefferson
Pro militia wingnut</div></div>
Wasn't he much more of an pro elections wingnut?

Sev
04-05-2010, 04:38 PM
Sounds like a good guy to vote for.

Note to other members.

An elected government can become tyrannical. Being duly elected does not preclude tyranny.

LWW
04-05-2010, 05:01 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sounds like a good guy to vote for.

Note to other members.

An elected government can become tyrannical. Being duly elected does not preclude tyranny. </div></div>

If anyone has any doubt ... research the Weimar Republic.

The comparisons between them and the current US situation are striking.

LWW

LWW
04-05-2010, 05:02 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Alfie</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When faced with tyrany, [snip]</div></div>
Tyranny? Are you talking about our elected government? </div></div>

Only after the tyrant's reign had ended.

If you familiarize yourself with Jefferson's philosophy you'll find that he believed that a revolution for each generation was probably going to be a requirement for maintaining a republic such as ours.

LWW

Alfie
04-05-2010, 07:38 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Being duly elected does not preclude tyranny. </div></div>
Where's the tyranny?
Isn't everyone playing by the rules?
Do you not like the rules?
What happened to voting the bums out?
Have the next elections been suspended?

We have a representative democracy.
We have a government of checks and balances.
There are legal ways to change laws.
There are legal ways to change the people in government.

If you don't get your way, you're not supposed to get a gun and yell "Revolution".
And all of the present-day rabble-rousers remind me
of a bunch of spoiled little shits who didn't get their way.

Elections are coming up soon.
However, there are no guarantees your guy will win.
It's part of the American deal.

hondo
04-05-2010, 10:36 PM
I imagine he would be very popular with our gang on here.

hondo
04-05-2010, 10:38 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Alfie</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Under</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Now, How can we make a contribution to his campaign? </div></div>
The Idaho guy wants to get elected so he can (among other things) legalize armed political gangs!!!

Both are very bad ideas, IMO. </div></div>

My thoughts also, Alfie. Good post.

hondo
04-05-2010, 10:41 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Alfie</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Being duly elected does not preclude tyranny. </div></div>
Where's the tyranny?
Isn't everyone playing by the rules?
Do you not like the rules?
What happened to voting the bums out?
Have the next elections been suspended?

We have a representative democracy.
We have a government of checks and balances.
There are legal ways to change laws.
There are legal ways to change the people in government.

If you don't get your way, you're not supposed to get a gun and yell "Revolution".
And all of the present-day rabble-rousers remind me
of a bunch of spoiled little shits who didn't get their way.

Elections are comming up soon.
However, there are no guarantees your guy will win.
It's part of the American deal.

</div></div>

OUCH! A common sense post.
That won't be popular with the clan. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/shocked.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/shocked.gif

LWW
04-06-2010, 12:39 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Alfie</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Under</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Now, How can we make a contribution to his campaign? </div></div>
The Idaho guy wants to get elected so he can (among other things) legalize armed political gangs!!!

Both are very bad ideas, IMO. </div></div>

My thoughts also, Alfie. Good post. </div></div>

That's the Kleagle's job isn't it?

LWW

Qtec
04-06-2010, 03:07 AM
G, there are a certain amount of people who will never accept a black man as POTUS. This is a fact. All this false outrage cannot be a coincidence.
Take the recent Drill Drama.
GEEZ! <span style='font-size: 20pt'>Drill Baby Drill </span>was practically the war cry from the right before the election. Obama called their bluff and what did they do?
How many said, "Great! Obama is finally listening."...?

These like-minded people have banded together and are now called Tea Party people.
ie, for Medicare and Medicaid but against socialised healthcare.
etc etc etc

They love Fox and the lunatic Glenn Beck. What more needs to be said?


Q.....

LWW
04-06-2010, 05:51 AM
QUESTION: How can you tell when a leftist reaches the point of desperation in the discussion?

ANSWER: When they call you a racist/sexist/homophobe.

LWW

hondo
04-06-2010, 06:23 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">G, there are a certain amount of people who will never accept a black man as POTUS. This is a fact. All this false outrage cannot be a coincidence.
Take the recent Drill Drama.
GEEZ! <span style='font-size: 20pt'>Drill Baby Drill </span>was practically the war cry from the right before the election. Obama called their bluff and what did they do?
How many said, "Great! Obama is finally listening."...?

These like-minded people have banded together and are now called Tea Party people.
ie, for Medicare and Medicaid but against socialised healthcare.
etc etc etc

They love Fox and the lunatic Glenn Beck. What more needs to be said?


Q..... </div></div>

Beck and Limberger are their pied pipers.

pooltchr
04-06-2010, 07:37 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Alfie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[Isn't everyone playing by the rules?

<span style="color: #FF0000"> Not really. That's the problem.</span>
Do you not like the rules?
</div></div>

Yes, I do like the rules. I'm not real happy with the way they keep bending and breaking them.

Steve

LWW
04-06-2010, 08:21 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Alfie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Where's the tyranny?
Isn't everyone playing by the rules?
Do you not like the rules?</div></div>

What do you think about the US House of Representatives Rules Committee recently stating that they make up the rules as they go along?

LWW

LWW
04-06-2010, 08:24 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Alfie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What happened to voting the bums out?
Have the next elections been suspended?</div></div>

Are you unaware of the masive voter fraud committed by ACORN?

Are you unaware of the democratic party's massive registration of illegals dating back to at least 2000?

Do you even care?

LWW

LWW
04-06-2010, 08:28 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Alfie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We have a representative democracy.
We have a government of checks and balances.
There are legal ways to change laws.
There are legal ways to change the people in government.</div></div>

We did have.

We now have the Obama AG turning a blind eye to the worst instance of voter intimidation ever recorded on video.

We have a nation where the executive branch routinely appoints "CZARS" fulfill the duties of cabinet level positions ... yet are not accountable to the congress and thereby the people.

Do you even care?

LWW

LWW
04-06-2010, 08:30 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Alfie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you don't get your way, you're not supposed to get a gun and yell "Revolution".
And all of the present-day rabble-rousers remind me
of a bunch of spoiled little shits who didn't get their way.</div></div>

George III would have loved you.

BTW ... what happened to the far left who believed dissent was patriotic?

LWW

LWW
04-06-2010, 08:30 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Alfie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Elections are coming up soon.
However, there are no guarantees your guy will win.
It's part of the American deal.</div></div>

Are they?

LWW

Alfie
04-06-2010, 07:15 PM
BTW, LWW-
The 109th congress senate ended with an 11 seat Dem minority.
The 111th congress senate began with a 14 seat Dem majority.
25 seat swing

The 109th congress house ended with a 26 seat Dem minority.
The 111th congress senate began with a 78 seat Dem majority.
104 seat swing

43rd pres was GOP
44th pres is Dem

Do you know why?


(just a friendly poke)

Sev
04-06-2010, 09:44 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Alfie</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Being duly elected does not preclude tyranny. </div></div>
Where's the tyranny?
Isn't everyone playing by the rules?
Do you not like the rules?
What happened to voting the bums out?
Have the next elections been suspended?

We have a representative democracy.
We have a government of checks and balances.
There are legal ways to change laws.
There are legal ways to change the people in government.

If you don't get your way, you're not supposed to get a gun and yell "Revolution".
And all of the present-day rabble-rousers remind me
of a bunch of spoiled little shits who didn't get their way.

Elections are coming up soon.
However, there are no guarantees your guy will win.
It's part of the American deal.

</div></div>

I dont disagree with you analysis of elections.
That is the plan for Nov. Get rid of all of them.

However what you seem to be missing is the largest expansion of government in our history is taking place. The founders believed in a limited government.
Between Bush and Obama the country is becoming government top heavy. Nothing good can come from it.

As far as being spoiled shits. You are way off the mark. The election was fair and played out as mandated by the constitution. That is as it should be.
That being said. It has never been nor should it ever be the way of the American people to just lay down and not express their concerns over what are legitimate
concerns.
When the united states congress starts passing bills that are signed into law without fully understand what they are implementing that is cause for grave concern. It does not matter which party is in power. These individuals are elected and expected to be responsible with the power that we grant them.

LWW
04-07-2010, 03:26 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Alfie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do you know why?</div></div>

Yes.

Do you?

LWW