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Gayle in MD
04-05-2010, 01:30 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">David Corn,Columnist
Political Extremism Made In The GOP
The other night I was on "Hardball"; the subject was right-wing extremism. We discussed recent conservative militia action, Rush Limbaugh referring to the Obama administration as a "regime," and Tea Partiers comparing Obama to Hitler. The point: extreme rhetoric can lead to extreme action -- and Republican leaders have been aiding and abetting the extremism. Afterward, some conservative viewers complained, noting that during the Bush-Cheney years you could find left-wing foes of the administration waving signs at rallies decrying the "fascists" in the White House and calling for "regime change." Isn't it a double-standard, they asked, to bellyache about conservatives using such language nowadays?

No. To back that up, I'll point to Nov. 5, 2009, a day that should live in infamy. On that afternoon, on Capitol Hill, Republican congressional leaders struck an alliance with extremism.

Several thousand Tea Party protesters had gathered at the Capitol to protest the health care reform bill that would soon be approved by the House. Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.), who once branded Obama "very anti-American," had called for this emergency rally. The GOP House minority helped organize the event, and the top Republican leaders of the House -- John Boehner, Eric Cantor, Roy Blunt, Mike Pence and others -- were on hand to eagerly address the gathering. They endorsed this opposition and urged on the angry protesters. But what sort of crowd was this? When speakers compared Obama's health care overhaul to European socialism, the demonstrators chanted, "Nazis! Nazis!" And none of the GOP House leaders present objected.

Ponder this for a moment. At an event officially sanctioned (and cheered on) by the House Republicans, the assembled were calling the president and the majority of Congress "Nazis." Nothing of this sort occurred during the Bush-Cheney years. This was a low moment in American history -- and it marked the GOP's capitulation to the extremism of its Tea Party base. Silence not only implies consent; it can be read as encouragement. And words can lead to action. If someone truly believes Obama and the Democrats are akin to Nazis, what would be the appropriate course of action to take? Brad Pitt's character in "Inglorious Basterds" knows: You kill 'em. To be blunt: If protesters are shouting "Nazis! Nazis!" and GOP leaders are supporting the demonstration, what signal could that send to a possible violent nutcase?

The same goes for Rep. Randy Neugebauer (R-Texas), the legislator who shouted "baby killer" while Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.) was speaking on the House floor during the final debate on the health care overhaul. No doubt, there are people who believe the only good baby-killer is a dead baby-killer -- such as Scott Roeder, who last week received a life sentence for having murdered George Tiller, a doctor who performed abortions. By tarring Stupak with this term, hasn't Neugebauer conveyed a clear message to Roeder wannabes?

<span style='font-size: 20pt'>At the least, the Republicans are playing footsie with extremism -- while extremism seems to be spreading. One example: A Republican candidate for governor in Idaho has expressed support for a local right-wing militia showing "a little force" in opposing health care reform; and a member of that militia told "Nightline" that Obama, Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid are aiming to "bankrupt the country, so they can do their socialist totalitarian dictatorship." </span>No matter that the health care debate is over in Congress, the political temperature still appears to be rising. A doctor in Orlando put up a sign in his office telling Obama supporters to seek care "elsewhere." A wacko fundamentalist outfit sent out letters to 30 or so governors demanding they resign. Christian militia members were arrested in the Midwest for plotting to kill police officers. Certainly, not all of this is connected. But Republicans are happy to exploit the anger and paranoia. Party leaders happily hobnob with the "Nazi"-hurlers. And the Republican Party tries to raise money by selling fear and dubbing Obama, Pelosi and Reid the "Evil Empire." No wonder GOP chief Michael Steele turned down an offer from Democratic Party head Tim Kaine to issue a joint "civility" statement.

<span style='font-size: 26pt'>So to those who accused Chris Matthews and me of being too tough on Republicans, I say: If you lie down with "Nazi"-chanters, you get up with a responsibility for what they might do.</span>
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http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/04/05/political-extremism-made-in-the-gop/

Gayle in MD
04-05-2010, 01:36 PM
One Blogger Comments sum up the reality for those of us who are not radical, not violence prone, and were not favorable of the Republican dictatorship of GWB.

There are many more of us than there are radical Republicans, or radical Independents.

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You are truly full of it. During Bush you could not get with in two miles of a Bush event if you had a t-shirt that was anti-Bush, people were ruffed up and arrested. Bush had free speech zones 2 miles from every even he had that protestors had to stay in. There is no way to compare the two sides. At no time did you see dem politicians egging on or condoning extreme actions, like Republican leaders have done.

But it really boils down to one thing, Republicans hate the American process. Sure they are all fine with things when they win and they can push though their agenda. But whenever they don't win its a problem. When ever they don't win they try to shut down government and let loose with the nut fringe of their party. A recent poll done of Republicans found that over 40% thought Obama was the anti-Christ? Over 50% did think he was an American. And well over 60% thought he was a socialist boarders on a commie? How to you reason with people that are that far out of touch?

Republicans are sore losers, and the nation has to suffer their childish tantrums. The fact that the nation was on the edge of another Republican caused depression had no impact on the GOP. They still vowed from the start to cause this President to fail and the nation suffer worse. They have filibustered, blocked and stalled every bill that has come out, no matter if its a defense bill or a jobs bill. They have done every thing in their power to make things worse, from blocking unemployment benefits to constant drumming of how bad things are. No matter what news comes out the Republicans will spin it bad and worse. The Republicans no longer want to work within the American voting model, its their way or no way.
They did the same BS during Clinton, and sadly it worked to a degree.

This time its different, this time they are courting violence. You have Hannity last week address a crowd of tea baggers as future Tim McVeigh’s?
Our republicans now making hero's out of terrorist who kill Americans and bomb our cities? Why when the GOP had a chance to come out and tell its fringe base to tone it down, did they come out and claim its the dems fault? When you ask a dem about a republican they would claim its an American who believe in the republican values, if you ask a republican the same question these days about a democrat, you get a stew of anti-American commie socialist?

Republicans seem to forget that this country was based on a two party system. And what makes us great is the ebb and flow of ideas from both sides. It seems our fellow Americans on the right have gone so far to the right, they no longer can see the middle. And any that is not just like them is the enemy and enemy of the country. The extremism is killing the republican party, sure it makes for great highlights. But most Americans
are turned off to the extreme.
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LWW
04-05-2010, 02:59 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Frank did not mention one of the most vocal opponents of U.S. intervention in World War II: Democrat Joseph P. Kennedy, who was one of Roosevelt's top fundraisers, the U.S. ambassador to Great Britain and father of John F. Kennedy, who would later become America's 35th president.

Joseph P. Kennedy, Jr., the eldest of the ambassador's sons, wrote his father with his own observations of the global conflict. Hitler's "dislike of the Jews ... was well-founded," the younger Kennedy explained in his letter.

<span style='font-size: 26pt'>"In every revolution, you have to expect some bloodshed. Hitler is building a spirit in his men that could be envied in this country," wrote Kennedy, Jr., expressing an opinion his father shared.

"I was very pleased and gratified at your observations of the German situation, and I think your conclusions are very sound," the elder Kennedy replied to his son.</span> </div></div>
&gt;&gt;&gt;HOIST BY THINE OWN PETARD ... AGAIN&lt;&lt;&lt; (http://newsmine.org/content.php?ol=cabal-elite/families/joseph-kennedy-supported-hitler.txt)


LWW

ugotda7
04-05-2010, 03:03 PM
A Liberal Guide to Debating Conservatives
Mar 31, 2010 Author Scot Cerullo

Liberals have long since learned that debating Conservatives can be a challenging endeavor, since Conservatives have a penchant for fortifying their arguments with facts, statistics, history and other elements that create convincing and thoughtful arguments.

Not to worry. The following are several tips Liberals can use right away to begin defeating Conservatives in every debate, every time.

Lib Tip # 1: Drop the Race Card: The moment your Conservative opponent begins crafting a cogent, air-tight argument buttressed in fact, drop the race card. This technique is designed to stifle further discussion, impugns your opponent and puts him on the defensive. Often, this is enough of a distraction to direct attention away from your lack of qualitative, quantitative evidence.

Lib Tip # 2: Impugn the Source: When debating a Conservative, content is less important than character. When your Conservative opponent states a compelling argument, do not address the argument and instead attack the Conservative personally. Since we are all sinners, it shouldn’t take long to find something wrong with your opponent. Use it.

Lib Tip # 3: Social Justice Trumps Logic: Argue every issue from a “Social Justice” or “Moral” high-ground. The Conservative will attempt to show that your ideas are unworkable, unsustainable or downright illogical. Don’t worry about any of that. Just stay on message by arguing from the moral, social justice perspective.

Lib Tip # 4: Exploit the Weakest Link: Define your opponent by his weakest link. If 10,000 Tea Partiers hold a rally, and one guy has a placard that is inappropriate, that is all you need to characterize the entire group as radical, racist militants. See how that works? It’s simple and fun and, most importantly, deflects all those awkward facts and articulate points away from the discussion and leaves the Conservative in a defensive mode.

Lib Tip # 5: Use “New Speak”: If health care is not a right according to the Constitution, and you want it to be a right, claim it is and then raise your voice. Raising your voice is always the best course of action in lieu of a good argument. Redefine words to suit your needs, and always be on guard for any stray, powerful fact or statistic the Conservative may use to support their position.

Lib Tip # 6: State the Opposite of what you believe: If you are in favor of taking money from producers and giving it to non-producers, that’s fine, but make sure your wording is a bit more obtuse than that. Try saying you are in favor of moral and social justice, and characterize everyone who earns a good living as somehow having won the lottery in life, and all those who want as being desperately hard-working folks who have an almost allergic reaction to hand-outs. Never imply or point out in any way that people can change their situation simply by making better decisions.

Lib Tip # 7: Define America by it’s Errors, not its Successes: Taking a cue from Lib Tip # 4, it is important to characterize America by it’s errors in judgement and misdeeds. It is critical that you completely overlook the good things America has done, and the manner in which it has beaten back one dictatorship after another. In fact, you must go to some lengths to divert people from the notion that without America, the world would be a far more dangerous, hostile, sad place. So talk about Indians and Slaves.

Lib Tip # 8: Blame talk radio and FOX news for fanning hate and racism: Avoid at all costs the fact that both talk radio and FOX news stand in defiant refutation of an otherwise fully agreeable media that presents only one template, a liberal template. Also, attempt to divert attention should someone ask why Conservative Talk Radio and FOX news is growing exponentially, while traditional, liberal media is closing offices, thinning their employees and running deficits like, you know, the government.

Lib Tip # 9: Government is Good: Insist that a massive expansion of government is a good thing. Assert that it is our patriotic duty to pay ever more in taxes so that a centralized government comprised of east and west coast Liberal elites can decide what is best for the unwashed masses, since it would be sheer lunacy to allow individuals the right to make decisions for themselves. If you run into problems, see Tips 1-8.

Lib Tip # 10: Assign Blame away from Yourself: Always assign blame to the other guy, preferably a Conservative. This may require rewriting history so that people may one day believe that Reagan did NOT usher in 25 years of prosperity, or it may require still more retooling of the content of public school text books. But over time we’ll get there.

Remember: The ends justify the means. No matter how cruel and violating the means may be, if it results in a mediocre society where all citizens ultimately suck off the the government for their most meager needs, it will all be worthwhile.

There is of course the small matter of where all the money for all these programs will come from. Right now, they come from spirited entrepreneurs, dreamers with drive and other people whose passion poses a direct threat to the new world we want to usher in.

But first things first. Learn the ten tips to squelch free speech, hurt your opponent with the intellectual equivelant of a kick to the groin and avoid facts, statistics and studies altogether, as those will get you in trouble.

Good luck Liberals! Battle on and remember what Dennis Prager said: The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen. Oh wait, no. You don’t want to remember that. My bad. Here, try this: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs. Yeah, that’s the one. Whew!

pooltchr
04-05-2010, 04:09 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
There are many more of us than there are radical Republicans, or radical Independents.

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I totally agree. There are way more radical Democrats than radical Republicans or Independents. Way too many!!!

Steve

hondo
04-05-2010, 10:20 PM
This is hilarious. One lone woman on here posting the truth
and the mob on here tossing insult after insult at her while she has them on total ignore.

I love it!

Keep up the good fight, Gayle.

pooltchr
04-06-2010, 07:13 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is hilarious. One lone woman on here posting the truth
and the mob on here tossing insult after insult at her while she has them on total ignore.

I love it!

Keep up the good fight, Gayle. </div></div>

What insult??? I agreed with what she posted!!!

Steve

Sev
04-06-2010, 07:26 AM
Its telling that she will only have discourse with so few individuals and otherwise has everybody else on ignore.

If you look at it closely one would have to conclude there is a bit of a psychosis at play here.
Why would you post thread after thread directed at individuals you have no intension of engaging in debate?

Its an odd what for an individual to get their jollies.

pooltchr
04-06-2010, 07:51 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Its telling that she will only have discourse with so few individuals and otherwise has everybody else on ignore.

If you look at it closely one would have to conclude there is a bit of a psychosis at play here.
Why would you post thread after thread directed at individuals you have no intension of engaging in debate?

Its an odd what for an individual to get their jollies. </div></div>

It's not about exchanging ideas or having a discussion in her case. She is desperate for validation, and disagreement with her ideas would cause her to question herself.
She can only deal with those who see things her way.

Steve

llotter
04-06-2010, 07:55 AM
I definitely agree with Goldwater's famous dictum, 'Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice.' The vast majority of Americans are conservative and the Tea Party movement is just the beginning of what will be a renewal of our freedom as our Founders' envisioned and not the Marxist/Socialist/Communist vision that has led us into so much trouble. It may lead to some violence but it will be started by desperate leftists.

LWW
04-06-2010, 08:36 AM
The leftist violence against the American people has been going on for over a century.

The SDS.

The Weatherman.

The Earth Liberation Front.

The Knights of the Ku Klux Klan.

LWW