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Qtec
04-07-2010, 01:10 AM
You decide. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/05/wikileaks-exposes-video-o_n_525569.html)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Calling it a case of "collateral murder," the WikiLeaks Web site today released harrowing video of a U.S. Army Apache helicopter in Baghdad in 2007 repeatedly opening fire on a group of men that included a Reuters photographer and his driver -- and then on a van that stopped to rescue one of the wounded men. </div></div>

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cushioncrawler
04-07-2010, 04:33 PM
Q -- We all know that very skinny insurgents and taliban can eezyly disguise themselves to look like very fat journalists.
madMac.

Sev
04-07-2010, 05:00 PM
I believe this is fairly old news.

Friendly fire events are tragic. However they are unavoidable.

LWW
04-07-2010, 06:05 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> You decide. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/05/wikileaks-exposes-video-o_n_525569.html)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Calling it a case of "collateral murder," the WikiLeaks Web site today released harrowing video of a U.S. Army Apache helicopter in Baghdad in 2007 repeatedly opening fire on a group of men that included a Reuters photographer and his driver -- and then on a van that stopped to rescue one of the wounded men. </div></div>

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Did you even watch the video and/or listen to the audio?

LWW

cushioncrawler
04-07-2010, 08:48 PM
Collateral Murder

00:03 Okay I got it.
00:05 Last conversation Hotel Two-Six.
00:09 Roger Hotel Two-Six [Apache helicopter 1], uh, [this is] Victor Charlie Alpha. Look, do you want your Hotel Two-Two two el-
00:14 I got a black vehicle under target. It's arriving right to the north of the mosque.
00:17 Yeah, I would like that. Over.
00:21 Moving south by the mosque dome. Down that road.
00:27 Okay we got a target fifteen coming at you. It's a guy with a weapon.
00:32 Roger [acknowledged].
00:39 There's a...
00:42 There's about, ah, four or five...
00:44 Bushmaster Six [ground control] copy [i hear you] One-Six.
00:48 ...this location and there's more that keep walking by and one of them has a weapon.
00:52 Roger received target fifteen.
00:55 K.
00:57 See all those people standing down there.
01:06 Stay firm. And open the courtyard.
01:09 Yeah roger. I just estimate there's probably about twenty of them.
01:13 There's one, yeah.
01:15 Oh yeah.
01:18 I don't know if that's a...
01:19 Hey Bushmaster element [ground forces control], copy on the one-six.
01:21 Thats a weapon.
01:22 Yeah.
01:23 Hotel Two-Six; Crazy Horse One-Eight [second Apache helicopter].
01:29 Copy on the one-six, Bushmaster Six-Romeo. Roger.
01:32 Fucking prick.
01:33 Hotel Two-Six this is Crazy Horse One-Eight [communication between chopper 1 and chopper 2]. Have individuals with weapons.
01:41 Yup. He's got a weapon too.
01:43 Hotel Two-Six; Crazy Horse One-Eight. Have five to six individuals with AK47s [automatic rifles]. Request permission to engage [shoot].
01:51 Roger that. Uh, we have no personnel east of our position. So, uh, you are free to engage. Over.
02:00 All right, we'll be engaging.
02:02 Roger, go ahead.
02:03 I'm gonna... I cant get 'em now because they're behind that building.
02:09 Um, hey Bushmaster element...
02:10 Is that an RPG [Rocket Propelled Grenade]?
02:11 All right, we got a guy with an RPG.
02:13 I'm gonna fire.
02:14 Okay.
02:15 No hold on. Lets come around. Behind buildings right now from our point of view. ... Okay, we're gonna come around.
02:19 Hotel Two-Six; have eyes on individual with RPG. Getting ready to fire. We won't...
02:23 Yeah, we had a guy shoot---and now he's behind the building.
02:26 God damn it.
02:28 Uh, negative, he was, uh, right in front of the Brad [Bradley Fighting Vehicle; an tracked Armored Personal Carrier that looks like a tank]. Uh, 'bout, there, one o'clock. [direction/orientation]
02:34 Haven't seen anything since then.
02:36 Just fuckin', once you get on 'em just open 'em up.
02:38 All right.
02:40 I see your element, uh, got about four Humvees [Armored cars], uh, out along...
02:43 You're clear.
02:44 All right, firing.
02:47 Let me know when you've got them.
02:49 Lets shoot.
02:50 Light 'em all up.
02:52 Come on, fire!
02:57 Keep shoot, keep shoot. [keep shooting]
02:59 keep shoot.
03:02 keep shoot.
03:05 Hotel.. Bushmaster Two-Six, Bushmaster Two-Six, we need to move, time now!
03:10 All right, we just engaged all eight individuals.
03:12 Yeah, we see two birds [helicopters] and we're still fire [not firing].
03:14 Roger.
03:15 I got 'em.
03:16 Two-six, this is Two-Six, we're mobile.
03:19 Oops, I'm sorry what was going on?
03:20 God damn it, Kyle.
03:23 All right, hahaha, I hit [shot] 'em...
03:28 Uh, you're clear.
03:30 All right, I'm just trying to find targets again.
03:38 Bushmaster Six, this is Bushmaster Two-Six.
03:40 Got a bunch of bodies layin' there.
03:42 All right, we got about, uh, eight individuals.
03:46 Yeah, we got one guy crawling around down there, but, uh, you know, we got, definitely got something.
03:51 We're shooting some more.
03:52 Roger.
03:56 Hey, you shoot, I'll talk.
03:57 Hotel Two-Six; Crazyhorse One-Eight.
04:01 Crazyhorse One-Eight; this is Hotel Two-Six. Over.
04:03 Roger. Currently engaging [fighting/shooting at] approximately eight individuals, uh KIA [Killed In Action], uh RPGs, and AK-47s.
04:12 Hotel Two-Six, you need to move to that location once Crazyhorse is done and get pictures. Over.
04:20 Six beacon gaia.
04:24 Sergeant Twenty is the location.
04:28 Hotel Two-Six; Crazyhorse One-Eight.
04:31 Oh, yeah, look at those dead bastards.
04:36 Nice.
04:37 Two-Six; Crazyhorse One-Eight.
04:44 Nice.
04:47 Good shoot.
04:48 Thank you.
04:53 Hotel Two-Six.
04:55 Hotel Two-Six; Crazyhorse One-Eight.
05:03 Crazyhorse One-Eight; Bushmaster Seven. Go ahead.
05:06 Bushmaster Seven; Crazyhorse One-Eight. Uh, location of bodies, Mike Bravo five-four-five-eight eight-six-one-seven [military map grid reference].
05:15 Hey, good on the uh...
05:17 Five-four-five-eight eight-six-one-seven [map grid reference]. Over.
05:21 This is Crazyhorse One-Eight, that's a good copy. They're on a street in front of an open, uh, courtyard with a bunch of blue uh trucks, bunch of vehicles in the courtyard.
05:30 There's one guy moving down there but he's uh, he's wounded.
05:35 All right, we'll let 'em know so they can hurry up and get over here.
05:40 One-Eight, we also have one individual, uh, appears to be wounded trying to crawl away.
05:49 Roger, we're gonna move down there.
05:51 Roger, we'll cease fire.
05:54 Yeah, we won't shoot anymore.
06:01 He's getting up.
06:02 Maybe he has a weapon down in his hand?
06:04 No, I haven't seen one yet.
06:07 I see you guys got that guy crawling right now on that curb.
06:08 Yeah, I got him. I put two rounds [30mm cannon shells] near him, and you guys were shooting over there too, so uh we'll see.
06:14 Yeah, roger that.
06:16 Bushmaster Thirty-Six Element; this is uh Hotel Two-Seven over.
06:21 Hotel Two-Seven; Bushmaster Seven go ahead.
06:24 Roger I'm just trying to make sure you guys have my turf [area], over.
06:31 Roger we got your turf.
06:33 Come on, buddy.
06:38 All you gotta do is pick up a weapon.
06:44 Crazyhorse this is Bushmaster Five, Bushmaster Four break. We are right below you right time now can you walk us onto that location over.
06:54 This is Two-Six roger. I'll pop flares [drop flares]. We also have one individual moving. We're looking for weapons. If we see a weapon, we're gonna engage.
07:07 Yeah Bushmaster, we have a van that's approaching and picking up the bodies.
07:14 Where's that van at?
07:15 Right down there by the bodies.
07:16 Okay, yeah.
07:18 Bushmaster; Crazyhorse. We have individuals going to the scene, looks like possibly uh picking up bodies and weapons.
07:25 Let me engage.
07:28 Can I shoot?
07:31 Roger. Break. Uh Crazyhorse One-Eight request permission to uh engage.
07:36 Picking up the wounded?
07:38 Yeah, we're trying to get permission to engage.
07:41 Come on, let us shoot!
07:44 Bushmaster; Crazyhorse One-Eight.
07:49 They're taking him.
07:51 Bushmaster; Crazyhorse One-Eight.
07:56 This is Bushmaster Seven, go ahead.
07:59 Roger. We have a black SUV-uh Bongo truck [van] picking up the bodies. Request permission to engage.
08:02 Fuck.
08:06 This is Bushmaster Seven, roger. This is Bushmaster Seven, roger. Engage.
08:12 One-Eight, engage.
08:12 Clear.
08:13 Come on!
08:17 Clear.
08:20 Clear.
08:21 We're engaging.
08:26 Coming around. Clear.
08:27 Roger. Trying to uh...
08:32 Clear.
08:35 I hear 'em co.. I lost 'em in the dust.
08:36 I got 'em.
08:41 I'm firing.
08:42 This is Bushmaster Forty got any BDA [Battle Damage Assessment] on that truck. Over.
08:44 You're clear.
08:47 This is ah Crazyhorse. Stand by.
08:47 I can't shoot for some reason.
08:49 Go ahead.
08:50 I think the van's disabled.
08:53 Go ahead and shoot it.
08:54 I got an azimuth limit for some reason [gunner moved gunsight too far]
09:00 Go left.
09:03 Clear left.
09:15 All right, Bushmaster Crazyhorse One-Eight.
09:20 A vehicle appears to be disabled.
09:22 There were approximately four to five individuals in vehicle moving bodies.
09:28 Your lead Bradley should take the next right.
09:31 That's cruising east down the road.
09:34 No more shooting.
09:38 Crazyhorse; this is Bushmaster Four. We're moving a dismounted element [troops] straight south through the Bradleys [tanks].
09:44 I have your Elem- uh, Bradley element turning south down the road where the engagements were.
09:53 Last call on station's uh Bradley element say again.
09:56 Roger this is Crazyhorse.
09:58 Your lead Bradley just turned south down the road where all the engagements [shooting] happened.
10:03 Should have a van in the middle of the road with about twelve to fifteen bodies.
10:11 Oh yeah, look at that. Right through the windshield!
10:14 Ha ha!
10:16 All right. There were uh approximately four to five individuals in that truck, so I'm counting about twelve to fifteen.
10:24 I would say that's a fairly accurate assessment so far.
10:27 Roger that.
10:29 I want to just be advised Six, Bushmaster Six are getting mounted up right now.
10:35 Okay, roger. Hey, we can't flex down that road towards that, uh, where Crazyhorse engaged.
10:43 So, uh, I don't know if you want us to do so or stay put. Over.
10:46 Why can't they go down there?
10:56 I think we whacked [killed] 'em all.
10:58 That's right, good.
10:59 This is Hotel Two-Six.
11:03 Hey you got my dismounted element [troops] right there over to your left.
11:06 Roger, I see 'em.
11:11 Hey yeah, roger, be advised, there were some guys popping out with AKs behind that dirt pile break.
11:19 We also took some RPGs off, uh, earlier, so just uh make sure your men keep your eyes open.
11:26 Roger.
11:27 And, uh, Bushmaster ahead are, uh, Hotel Two-Six; Crazyhorse One-Eight.
11:33 Crazyhorse One-Eight; this is Hotel Two-Six.
11:35 Yeah Two-Six; Crazyhorse One-Eight.
11:37 Uh, location I have about twelve to fifteen dead bodies.
11:42 Uh, where else are we taking fire from?
11:48 Currently we're not being engaged, ah, but just south of that location. Break.
11:55 You should see dismounted elements with Humvees [armored cars] moving to the east, over.
12:01 This is Crazyhorse One-Eight; we have elements in sight.
12:05 Bushmaster Three-Six.
12:07 I'm gonna get down a little lower.
12:09 All right.
12:10 I'm gonna come down a little lower and take a quick gander.
12:13 Roger that.
12:14 Six; this is four. We're headed to the area where Crazyhorse engaged.
12:26 Bushmaster Six; this is Hotel Two-Six.
12:28 Request to go to the south to our original BP so if you flushed them to the south we will be there to uh intercept over.
12:39 Hey this is Bushmaster Seven; we're coming up on B... on the ass end of the Brads [tanks].
12:54 Hey uh, Bushmaster Element; this is Copperhead One-Six break.
13:00 We're moving in the vicinity of the engagement area and looks like we've got some slight movement from ah, the ah van that was engaged.
13:06 Looks like a kid. Over.
13:11 This is Bushmaster Seven, roger. Uh, we're about a hundred meters behind you.
13:16 Got that big pile, to the right?
13:18 Roger, you gonna pull in here? Do you want me to push stuff so you can, uh, get clear of it?
13:21 Right on the corner?
13:22 What's that?
13:23 Got that big pile of bodies to the right, on the corner?
13:24 Yeah, right here.
13:25 We got a dismounted infantry and vehicles, over.
13:30 Again, roger.
13:31 And clear.
13:48 There's the Bradley right there.
13:51 Got 'em.
14:00 Hotel two-six; are you uh at this grid over?
14:05 Yeah I wanted to get you around so didn't you just get that one dude to scare them all away. It worked out pretty good.
14:11 I didn't want those fuckers to run away and scatter.
14:12 Yeah.
14:15 Bushmaster Six; Hotel Two-Six. Roger, we linked up with our two element they are all mounted up in our trucks break.
14:23 We moved south so that we could ah possibly intercept personnel being flushed south. So we are vicinity Fifth Street.
14:30 And ah please line Gadins. Over.
14:37 Bring the trucks in, cordon this area off.
14:39 Can we move the Bradley forward so we can bring trucks in and cordon off this area.
14:44 If the Bradleys could take the south cordon, that could help out a lot.
14:53 Bushmaster or element. Which Element called in Crazyhorse to engage the eight-elem- eight-men team on top of a roof.
15:02 Bushmaster Six; this is Hotel Two-Six. Uh, I believe that was me.
15:07 They uh had AK-47s and were to our east, so, where we were taking small arms fire. Over.
15:20 Hotel Crazyhorse One-Eight.
15:26 Crazyhorse One-Eight; this is Hotel Two-Six.
15:28 Yeah Two-Six. One-Eight I just also wanted to make sure you knew that we had a guy with an RPG cropping round the corner getting ready to fire on your location.
15:36 That's why we ah, requested permission to engage.
15:40 Ok, roger that. Tango mike.
15:46 Hotel Two-Six; do you understand me, over?
15:51 I did not copy last, uh, you got stepped on. Say again please?
16:00 They cordoned off the building that the helicopters killed the personnel on.
16:04 Don't go anywhere else we need to cordon off that building so we can get on top of the roof and SSC the building. Over.
16:13 Hotel Two-Six; Crazyhorse One-Eight.
16:16 This is Hotel Two-Six.
16:19 Hey, whoever was talking about rooftops, know that all the personnel we engaged were ground level. I say again ground level.
16:27 Roger I copy ground level. Over.
16:30 One-Eight roger.
16:33 Can I get a grid to that one more time please?
16:36 Target twenty.
16:36 Roger.
16:40 You want me to take over talking to them?
16:42 S'alright.
16:46 Seven-Six Romeo Over.
16:49 Roger, I've got uh eleven Iraqi KIAs [Killed In Action]. One small child wounded. Over.
16:57 Roger. Ah damn. Oh well.
17:04 Roger, we need, we need a uh to evac [evacuate] this child. Ah, she's got a uh, she's got a wound to the belly.
17:10 I can't do anything here. She needs to get evaced. Over.
17:18 Bushmaster Seven, Bushmaster Seven; this is Bushmaster Six Romeo.
17:20 We need your location over.
17:25 Roger, we're at the location where Crazyhorse engaged the RPG fire break.
17:37 Grid five-four-five-eight.
17:46 Well it's their fault for bringing their kids into a battle.
17:48 That's right.
17:56 Got uh, eleven.
18:01 Yeah uh, roger. We're monitoring [observing].
18:02 Sorry.
18:04 No problem.
18:07 Correction eight-six-one-six.
18:16 Looking for more individuals-south.
18:18 Bushmaster Six-Bushmaster Seven.
18:29 I think they just drove over a body.
18:31 Hey hey!
18:32 Yeah!
18:37 Maybe it was just a visual illusion, but it looked like it.
18:41 Well, they're dead, so.
18:44 Bushmaster Six; Hotel Two-Six over.
18:56 Six; this is Four. I got one individual looks like he's got an RPG round laying underneath him. Break.
19:05 Probably like to get...
19:10 Look at that.
19:12 Bushmaster Six; Hotel Two-Six over.
19:29 Bushmaster Six; Romeo Hotel Two-Six over.
19:44 Bushmaster Six; Hotel Two-Six over.
19:56 Hotel Two-Six; Bushmaster Seven colocated with Six.
20:08 Hotel Two-Six; Bushmaster Seven.
20:10 Bushmaster Seven; Hotel Two-Six over.
20:14 Roger, we got a little girl who needs to be evaced. What's your location over?
20:22 On route Gadins, I am all the way to the south. So I am Gadins and Fifth Street.
20:28 I say again Gadins and Fifth Street, over.
20:40 Bushmaster Seven; Hotel Two-Six. Do you want us to push to your location?
20:55 Hey, uh, I need to get the Brads to drop rads I got a wounded little girl we need to take her off the maya.
21:04 Bushmaster Seven; Hotel Two-Six. Do you want us to move to your location over?
21:30 Bushmaster Six; Hotel Two-Six over.
21:34 Hotel Two-Six; this is Bushmaster Seven. Roger, come to our location.
21:39 Okay, roger, we're coming up north on Gadins and then we will push east to your location.
22:06 Bushmaster elements be advised we have friendlies coming from the south to your location. Over.
22:13 All right, got 'em moving up from the south.
22:35 Bushmaster elements be advised we are coming up from the east.
23:49 Hey One-Two; follow me over. I'm going to try and get out of here as quickly as possible.
24:10 You guys all right back there?
24:13 Yeah, we're with you.
24:35 Lotta guys down there.
24:37 Oh yeah.
24:37 Came out of the woodwork.
24:38 This is Operation, ah, Operation Secure.
25:16 Yeah we have fifty rounds left.
25:17 Yep.
25:19 Two-Six; Six Romeo over.
25:21 Two-Six; Romeo over.
25:23 Hey roger, what's your current location over?
25:47 Six; speak it's Romeo.
25:50 Three-Six Romeo; Six Romeo over.
25:52 Roger, at the six once it's back on this guy.
25:56 Lost him.
26:00 What's he got for us?
26:01 Stand by.
26:06 Hotel Two-Six; Crazyhorse One-Eight.
26:21 Hey, did you got action on that target yet over?
26:25 Speak to Charlie roger.
26:32 Hotel Two-Six; Crazyhorse One-Eight.
26:55 Bushmaster Six; Crazyhorse One-Eight.
26:59 Roger, you have traffic over.
27:02 Roger. Uh, just wondering if you had anything else you wanted us to drive on?
27:08 Yeah roger keep on, ah, for the time being over.
27:11 Six calls Six Romeo. Can you tell battalion that two civilian children casualties are coming back to SMI in the Bradley over.
27:26 Six calls Six Romeo.
27:29 Bushmaster Six Copper White Six.
27:32 Copperhead White Six; this is Bushmaster Six Romeo over.
27:36 Roger, that's a negative on the evac of the two, ah, civilian, ah, kids to, ah, rusty they're going to have the IPs [Iraqi Police] link up. They can put us over here. Break. IPs will take them up to a local hospital over.
27:50 Copy over.
27:54 One six oh.
28:08 ... they're all going to.
28:10 Say again?
28:12 Where all those dismounts [infantry] are going to?
28:18 Going into this hous-. Sorry
29:29 Three Six, Three Six; Bushmaster Six Romeo over.
29:37 Six Romeo, Six Romeo.
29:39 Roger, Bushmaster Seven wants an up on all personnel in your battalion over.
29:44 Roger.
30:08 ...friendlies [US troops] on the roof.
30:10 Crazyhorse One-Eight; this is Bushmaster Four over.
30:12 Bushmaster Four; this is Crazyhorse One-Eight.
30:15 Roger, I can ah hear small arms fire from your engagement area at two zero zero zero ah about three hundred meters from that objective over.
30:27 Crazyhorse; from what I understand small arms fire at two zero zero zero degrees about two hundred meters.
30:39 Just to the southwest.
30:41 Yup.
30:49 Right about where we engaged.
30:51 Yeah, One of them with that RPG or whatever.
30:55 He's got a weapon. Got an RK--AK 47.
30:58 Hotel Two-Six; Crazyhorse One-Eight.
31:02 Gonna lose him.
31:03 Crazyhorse One-Eight this is Hotel Two-Six over.
31:08 Roger, have another individual with a weapon.
31:10 Dammit, they're in the same building.
31:12 Hey roger that, just make sure that ah, you're firing from west to east over.
31:16 Just went in the building.
31:18 Crazyhorse Three and Four will be on their way.
31:21 The individual walked into the building previously past grid [map reference]. So there's at least six individuals in that building with weapons.
31:30 We can put a missile in it.
31:31 If you'd like, ah, Crazyhorse One-Eight could put a missile in that building.
31:46 It's a triangle building. Appears to be ah, abandoned.
31:51 Yeah, looks like it's under construction, abandoned.
31:52 Appears to be abandoned, under construction.
31:56 Uh, like I said, six individuals walked in there from our previous engagement.
32:01 Crazyhorse One-Eight; this is Bushmaster Six Romeo. If you've PIDed [Positively IDentified] the individuals in the building with weapons, go ahead and engage the building over.
32:08 Crazyhorse One-Eight; will be coming up north to south engaging with Hellfire [missiles].
32:13 All right, I'm going to do manual.
32:17 All right, we've been cleared to engage with...
32:18 This is Bushmaster Six Romeo. Crazyhorse One Eight is going to be engaging north to south with Hellfire missiles over.
32:24 This is Hotel Two-Six. Roger.
32:26 All right, you ready?
32:27 No, I'm trying to get over to the November [target]. Trying to find the fucking...
32:33 This is Bushmaster Six. Has that RPG round been extended already or is it still live, over.
32:38 Looks live to me.
32:40 Let me know when you're going to fire.
32:44 All right, I'm fucking having a brain fart. Where's the man [manual] advancement?
32:48 You got one on the clutch on the bottom left on your left door.
32:54 Roger let me stand by.
32:57 Got it?
32:59 No.
33:03 All right.
33:09 Let me just put a kilo [Hellfire missile] in there.
33:12 Ok.
33:15 Got it?
33:21 Put a kilo in?
33:22 All right, let me get back.
33:26 I'm gonna come around, get some more distance.
33:27 Roger that, you're clear.
33:33 Got more individuals in there.
33:36 You wanna hit from north to south or you wanna go from west to east? I don't wanna fire with the friendlies [US forces] right there, you know.
33:41 Yeah, go north to south.
33:53 Right, come around, right.
33:56 I'm just gonna put one or two in, if they want any more.
34:09 Right.
34:12 Found the missile.
34:15 Roger, I'll get you in this straight.
34:16 You're clear.
34:17 I'm firing.
34:26 Target hit.
34:28 It was a missile.
34:29 Left.
34:32 You're clear. I'm above you.
34:36 Crazyhorse One-Eight; was that explosion you engaging over?
34:38 Crazyhorse One Eight, roger. Engaging building with one hellfire.
34:46 Let's come around and we'll clear the smoke. We'll fire one more.
34:50 Hey uh, we're going to wait for the smoke to clear.
34:52 Yes Crazyhorse One Eight now. We're going to put one more missile into the building.
34:57 Yeah, did it ah, go in the building? I see the wall knocked out of the way.
34:59 Yeah, it went in.
35:01 Bushmaster Six Romeo; this is Hotel Two-Six. Yeah roger, that was Crazyhorse engaging with one Hellfire over.
35:10 Yeah roger, I got a November [target] if you want.
35:12 Fire away.
35:13 You want us to fire?
35:18 You ready?
35:19 Yep.
35:20 Bushmaster Six Romeo. They are going to engage ah, with one more Hellfire in that building.
35:24 Uh shit, why I do I have AP flashing on there? [warning on helicopter display]
35:47 We're not even going to watch this fucking shit?
35:49 Till next one. It won't come around, I need a little more distance.
35:53 Still want me to shoot?
35:57 You guys, following hot.
35:59 Roger.
36:13 You are clear.
36:14 Roger.
36:16 You going to bring up the missile?
36:18 Roger.
36:19 And firing.
36:20 Come down? There you go.
36:23 Fire.
36:24 All right.
36:28 I've got, ah BACKSCATTER [warning on helicopter display].
36:30 All right, come around.
36:32 Roger.
36:34 Coming around left, backscatter.
36:49 Firing.
36:53 There it goes! Look at that bitch go!
36:56 Patoosh!
37:03 Ah, sweet.
37:07 Need a little more room.
37:09 Nice missile.
37:11 Does it look good?
37:12 Sweet!
37:16 Uh, you ready?
37:18 Roger.
37:30 There's a lot of dust.
37:36 Crazyhorse One-Eight; this is Hotel Two-Six. Was there a BDA [Battle Damage Assessment]?
37:40 This is Crazyhorse One-Eight. Stand by, engaging with another Hellfire.
37:43 All right.
37:45 You're clear.
37:47 Lemme know when I'm clear.
37:50 Roger that.
37:59 He wasn't.
38:02 Hotel Two-Six; Crazyhorse One-Eight.
38:07 Crazyhorse One-Eight.
38:09 Roger, building destroyed. Engaged with three hellfire missiles.

cushioncrawler
04-07-2010, 09:15 PM
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In 2007, two Reuters employees — photographer Namir Noor-Eldeen and driver Saeed Chmagh — were killed by a U.S. helicopter strike in Baghdad. The U.S. military’s official response to the killings argued that the attack occurred after security forces came under fire from men accompanying the reporters, and that the rules of engagement were followed in returning fire. Skeptical of the military’s claim, Reuters filed a Freedom of Information Act request for video of the killings, but was unable to get the videos from the military, despite warnings from the Pentagon’s inspector general that future shootings were “likely to reoccur” if the event was not closely examined.

During an event this morning at the National Press Club, whistleblower website Wikileaks unveiled that it has a video, obtained from unnamed military sources, from one of the Apache helicopters involved in the attack. The video, which has now been uploaded to YouTube and placed on a Wikileaks website dedicated to the incident, appears to show that the military’s helicopters attacked the Reuters employees unprovoked, apparently mistaking their cameras and tripods for weapons. The video does not show the victims firing on U.S. military personnel, nor does it show that they were any apparent threat. Watch it (warning — contains violent imagery):




If the video is indeed an accurate portrayal of events, it would appear that the military’s official response to the events is inaccurate and that it has not been telling the truth when it claims that the Apache attack “occurred after security forces came under fire.” Additionally, it would appear that the Apache pilots in question violated the 2007 U.S. Rules of Engagement for Iraq, which permit the use of “deadly force” only against individuals who “pose a threat to Coalition Forces by committing a hostile act or demonstrating hostile intent.”

The Wikileaks’ revelation strengthens the case for a thorough and transparent investigation into the events that led to the killing of the Reuters employees and Iraqi civilians.

Update Last month, the New York Times revealed that Wikileaks has been targeted by the Pentagon and related intelligence agencies for its cooperation with military whistleblowers. In 2008, the U.S. Army Counterintelligence Center put together a report outlining tactics to suppress whisteblowers, in which it cited Wikileaks by name as one organization it intends to "destroy [as] a center of gravity" for whisteblowing activity. Meanwhile, the Wikileaks founder has alleged that his organization is being intimidated and spied on by American intelligence agencies.
Update Reuters editor-in-chief David Schlesinger released the following statement: "The deaths of Namir Noor-Eldeen and Saeed Chmagh three years ago were tragic and emblematic of the extreme dangers that exist in covering war zones. We continue to work for journalist safety and call on all involved parties to recognise the important work that journalists do and the extreme danger that photographers and video journalists face in particular. The video released today via Wikileaks is graphic evidence of the dangers involved in war journalism and the tragedies that can result."

LWW
04-08-2010, 05:33 AM
Anyone here who believes that aiming an RPG at a helo isn't a hostile act?

LWW

Chopstick
04-08-2010, 11:07 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anyone here who believes that aiming an RPG at a helo isn't a hostile act?

LWW </div></div>

I just thought of something about this video. If there was an armed Apache gunship circling you, three times, as in yes we are looking at YOU, who would be stupid enough to just stand around out in the open?

Deeman3
04-08-2010, 03:05 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cushioncrawler</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Q -- We all know that very skinny insurgents and taliban can eezyly disguise themselves to look like very fat journalists.
madMac.
</div></div>

<span style="color: #FF0000"> Perhaps they were the ones who drew up the anti-Muslim cartoons. </span>

LWW
04-08-2010, 03:08 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chopstick</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anyone here who believes that aiming an RPG at a helo isn't a hostile act?

LWW </div></div>

I just thought of something about this video. If there was an armed Apache gunship circling you, three times, as in yes we are looking at YOU, who would be stupid enough to just stand around out in the open? </div></div>

Someone who understands US rules of engagement.

Described another way, I do a little photojournalism for a couple of local papers. Mostly sports, but I've hit a few crimescenes/local disasters before the big guys converge.

I go out of my way to make sure that I can be ID'ed as press from a distance. I don't need the constant hassle of explaining why I'm at or inside a police cordon, why I'm at field/court level, yadda yadda yadda.

Now, in Afghanland/Iraq/any war zone the press has two basic options:

1 - Take my approach and be safe from friendly fire incidents and constant security questioning.

2 - Dress as the locals do ... which is what the terrorists do ... and blend into the public. This may get you some cred on the street with the thugs allowing you in close where normal press would never get, but it also makes you indiscernible from the thugs.

These guys took option #2 and crapped out. When, in the midst of terrorists brandishing RPG's and automatic weapons, they chose to stand their ground with gun ships in the area they made the stupidest decision they could possibly make ... other than pointing a telephoto lens at the gun ship, which they did.

This was a tragic loss of life, but completely avoidable.

Blaming the troops is like blaming the driver for hitting an idiot that walked in front of a bus without looking.

The audio and video exonerates the soldiers when viewed the prism of common sense.

LWW

cushioncrawler
04-08-2010, 05:59 PM
I think it will be a good seller -- its a very realistik game.
But the machine-gun fire iznt realistik enuff -- it sounds like a machine-pop-gun.
Allso it could do with lots of stairs going up and up and up -- u karnt beat action on stairs.
I giv it 7 out of 10.

I prefer the setting hovering over the Baghdad Country Club.
At the 18th u can get bonus points -- when the muslim iz watching hiz ball drop into the cup -- BOOOOOOOOOM -- no ball -- BOOOOOOM -- no muslim.
madMac.

Qtec
04-08-2010, 06:04 PM
How about viewing it from the perspective of the people who got killed?

There was no RPG, <span style='font-size: 17pt'>it was a camera!</span>

Anyway, there is no excuse for shooting the two men who were helping the injured. They were no threat.

Q

LWW
04-09-2010, 06:32 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How about viewing it from the perspective of the people who got killed?

There was no RPG, <span style='font-size: 17pt'>it was a camera!</span>

Anyway, there is no excuse for shooting the two men who were helping the injured. They were no threat.

Q </div></div>

That's why I said it was a camera Q'ster.

I know it's hard with all of your prejudices ... but try to pay attention.

He was amidst ... that means among and in the middle of ... people brandishing RPG's and automatic weapons.

Now, pay real close attention ... when something out of a crowd like that is raised and aimed at a gun ship it is completely ridiculous to expect the helo crew to wait for a round to be fired before eliminating the threat.

The photographer de facto committed suicide.

LWW

Qtec
04-09-2010, 06:52 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How about viewing it from the perspective of the people who got killed?

There was no RPG, <span style='font-size: 17pt'>it was a camera!</span>

Anyway, there is no excuse for shooting the two men who were helping the injured. They were no threat.

Q </div></div>

That's why I said it was a camera Q'ster.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">people brandishing RPG's </div></div>

I know it's hard with all of your prejudices ... but try to pay attention.

He was<span style='font-size: 14pt'> amidst</span> ... that means among and in the middle of ... people brandishing RPG's and automatic weapons.

Now, pay real close attention ... when something out of a crowd like that is raised and aimed at a gun ship it is completely ridiculous to expect the helo crew to wait for a round to be fired before eliminating the threat.

The photographer de facto committed suicide.

LWW </div></div>

When was the gun ship targeted?
Show me?

The FACT is, those people were NEVER aware they were being targeted.

By NO STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION was anyone in that group BRANDISHING weapons.
Q

LWW
04-09-2010, 07:03 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How about viewing it from the perspective of the people who got killed?

There was no RPG, <span style='font-size: 17pt'>it was a camera!</span>

Anyway, there is no excuse for shooting the two men who were helping the injured. They were no threat.

Q </div></div>

That's why I said it was a camera Q'ster.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">people brandishing RPG's </div></div>

I know it's hard with all of your prejudices ... but try to pay attention.

He was<span style='font-size: 14pt'> amidst</span> ... that means among and in the middle of ... people brandishing RPG's and automatic weapons.

Now, pay real close attention ... when something out of a crowd like that is raised and aimed at a gun ship it is completely ridiculous to expect the helo crew to wait for a round to be fired before eliminating the threat.

The photographer de facto committed suicide.

LWW </div></div>

When was the gun ship targeted?
Show me?

The FACT is, those people were NEVER aware they were being targeted.

By NO STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION was anyone in that group BRANDISHING weapons.
Q </div></div>

Then it is pointless to discuss this further with you because you refuse to believe the audio and video evidence that you yourself presented.

Your comment leaves me with zero doubt that you have never actually viewed it, listened to it, or read the transcripts ... instead we have the usual instance of you taking the explanation provided and accepting it without question simply because it fits your mental image of reality.

LWW

Qtec
04-09-2010, 07:06 AM
<span style='font-size: 20pt'>How many shots were fired by that group?
How many RPG,s were fired?
</span>
<span style='font-size: 17pt'><u>Tell me what they did wrong.</u></span>

Q

LWW
04-09-2010, 07:09 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 20pt'>How many shots were fired by that group?
How many RPG,s were fired?
</span>
<span style='font-size: 17pt'><u>Tell me what they did wrong.</u></span>

Q </div></div>

And you expose yourself again.

Once an RPG is fired it is too late to do anything.

Your standard requires that the helo crew commit suicide to in order to satisfy your perverse POV.

People don't carry RPG's to not fire them.

Read the transcript and find out what you are talking about ... or watch the video, at this point you really don't have a clue what happened. All you are doing is believe what you are told to believe.

LWW

Qtec
04-09-2010, 07:26 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Read the transcript and find out what you are talking about .. </div></div>

Why don't you just show me where it says they fired RPGs....if you can.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">02:10 <span style='font-size: 20pt'>Is that</span> an RPG [Rocket Propelled Grenade]?
02:11 <span style='font-size: 20pt'>All right, we got a guy with an RPG.</span>
02:13 I'm gonna fire. </div></div>



Q

LWW
04-09-2010, 08:48 AM
I never said that there was one fired ... if you ever paid attention you would realize that.

I said that it would be suicidal to wait until one was fired.

I find it simply amazing that with all of your anti 2nd amendment rhetoric ... you steadfastly defend the rights of terrorists to walk the streets dressed as civilians toting RPG's.

Pay close attention ... I know it's hard, but you can do it ... the photographers CHOSE to not have their persons marked clearly as "PRESS" and the CHOSE to do this so they could get in close and personal with the terrorists so they could get interviews and photos.

Choices have consequences.

LWW

cushioncrawler
04-09-2010, 06:03 PM
List of aviation shootdowns and accidents during the Iraq War
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This list of aviation shootdowns and accidents during the Iraq War includes incidents with Coalition and civilian aircraft during the Iraq War.

127 helicopters and 23 fixed-wing aircraft have been reported by media to be lost in Iraq since the 2003 invasion till February 2009. 45 of these incidents have been attributed to hostile fire such as anti-aircraft artillery and surface-to-air missiles. In March 2007, Brig. Gen. Stephen Mundt said that 130 helicopters had been lost in both Iraq and Afghanistan, about a third to hostile fire, and he was concerned that they were not being replaced fast enough.[1] Unmanned aircrafts of any type are not included in the list.

At least 275 personnel have been killed in helicopter crashes since the invasion, and 19 have died in fixed-wing crashes.

Since the beginning of the invasion helicopters were the target of attacks with "aerial improvised explosive devices", home-made bombs.[2]. In early 2007 the US Army announced that the Iraqi resistance has a strategy of attacking to US helicopters.[3] This was confirmed by documents captured from Iraqi insurgents.[4][5] A deputy commanding general in Iraq of the U.S. military said that the average month in 2006 and 2007 saw about 17 attacks against helicopters.[6] Efforts to prevent more deaths included more training for helicopter pilots. They continue to improve tactics and aircraft defenses to reduce losses. In fall 2007, the military deployed the more advanced V-22 Osprey tiltrotor aircraft. According to the military this aircraft has six to seven times more survivability than the CH-46.[7]

The change of tactics of the US Army resulted in reducing the number of shootdowns.[8]

Operation Desert Badger was prepared for the instance of a U.S. pilot being shot down over a no-fly zone, but it was never put into effect.[9]

Contents [hide]
1 Helicopters
1.1 2010
1.2 2009
1.3 2008
1.4 2007
1.5 2006
1.6 2005
1.7 2004
1.8 2003
2 Fixed-Wing Aircraft
2.1 2008
2.2 2007
2.3 2006
2.4 2005
2.5 2004
2.6 2003
3 Other aircraft
3.1 2009
3.2 2008
3.3 2007
3.4 2005
4 Summary per type
5 Summary per year
6 See also
7 References
8 External links

[edit] Helicopters
[edit] 2010
February 21: OH-58 Kiowa helicopter crashed in northern Iraq killing the two pilots on board.[10][11][12]
[edit] 2009
November 8: OH-58 Kiowa experienced a hard landing north of Baghdad in the Salah ad Din Province. Two U.S. Army pilots were killed.[13][14] They were assigned to the 2nd Squadron, 6th Cavalry Regiment, 25th Combat Aviation Brigade, 25th Infantry Division, Schofield Barracks.[15]
September 20: One U.S. service member was killed and 12 others were injured when a UH-60 Blackhawk helicopter went down inside of Joint Base Balad.[16]
January 26: Two OH-58 Kiowas collide near Kirkuk while evading enemy fire, killing four soldiers.[17][18][19][20][21]
[edit] 2008
November 15 - An OH-58 Kiowa Warrior strikes a tower near Mosul killing the 2 pilots.[22][23]
October 4 - Two American UH-60 Black Hawk helicopters collide while trying to land in Baghdad. An Iraqi soldier was killed, while two Iraqis and three Americans were injured.[24][25][26] Incident was due to mechanical failure.[27]
September 18 - A CH-47 Chinook enroute to Balad from Kuwait crashes 62 miles (100 km) west of Basrah International Airport, killing seven U.S. soldiers.[28][29][30][31]
June 1 - A U.S. helicopter crashes south of Baghdad, injuring two soldiers. The type of helicopter has not been revealed.[32][33]
March 27 - An Iraqi military Mil Mi-17 helicopter is shot down during heavy fighting in northern Basra.[34]
March 4 - An Iraqi military Mil Mi-17 helicopter crashes south of Baiji due to a sandstorm, about 90 miles (140 km) south of Mosul in northern Iraq, killing an American soldier and seven other people.[35][36][37]
[edit] 2007
November 20 - A RAF HC.1 Puma ZA938 crashes. 2 SAS troopers die after the Puma troop transporter goes down in an urban area during a covert mission over Baghdad. Two other men from 22 Special Air Service Regiment were seriously injured in the crash although their condition is not thought to be life threatening. A further seven SAS and three RAF survived the impact and were later rescued by Coalition forces.[38][39][40]
Wikinews has related news: 14 US soldiers dead after helicopter crash in Iraq

August 22 - UH-60L Black Hawk 06-27077 crashes in northern Iraq, killing all 14 U.S. soldiers. The military said initial indications showed the aircraft experienced a mechanical problem.[41][42][43][44]
August 14 - CH-47D Chinook 89-00171 from B Company/1-52 Avn crashes near the al-Taqaddum air base west of Baghdad, killing five crew on board.[45][46][47]
August 10 - A US Navy HH-60 "Rescue Hawk" make a forced landing in Yusufiyah. The two crew members sustained non-life threatening injuries.[48]
July 31 - An AH-64 Apache goes down after coming under fire in eastern Baghdad. The two crew members were safely extracted.[49][50]
July 4 - OH-58 Kiowa 95-0002 crashes into power lines in Mosul, killing the pilot and injuring the copilot.[51]
July 2 - OH-58D Kiowa 91-0560 from 3-17 CAV is shot down along a canal south of Baghdad in Babil province with small arms, both pilots were rescued by strapping themselves onto the stub wings of an AH-64 Apache. Helicopter was later destroyed.[52][53]
May 29 - OH-58D(R) Kiowa 93-0978 from B Troop/2-6 CAV is shot down between Baquba and Muqdadiyah with small arms, killing the chopper's two pilots.[54][55][56]
April 15 - Two British Aérospatiale Puma helicopters are involved in a mid-air collision near Taji, north of Baghdad. Both aircraft crash, with two personnel killed and one seriously injured.[57]
April 5 - A UH-60 Black Hawk carrying nine is shot down in Latifiya using anti-aircraft heavy machine guns, 4 were wounded.[58][59][60]
March 1 - An OH-58D makes a hard landing south of Kirkuk, injuring both crewmembers, and becomes entangled in overhanging wires before hitting the ground.[61] Reports had varied whether the crash was due to a mechanical[62] or electronic failure[63] and whether it is shot down.[64]
February 22 - A UH-60 Black Hawk crashed in an area north of Baquba City. The helicopter went down in a clash between gunmen and U.S. troops.[65]
February 21 - A UH-60 Black Hawk is hit by RPG and small arms fire north of Baghdad and makes a hard landing; all nine military personnel on board were rescued.[66][67]
February 7 - CH-46E Sea Knight from HMM-364 is shot down, by a shoulder-fired missile, in al-Karma, outside Fallujah, killing all 7 on board.[68][69][70]
February 2 - AH-64 Apache 02-5337 from A Company/1-227 Avn, 1st Air Cavalry Brigade, 1st Cavalry Division shot down by a combination of gunfire and a shoulder-fired missile, near Taji, killing the two pilots.[71][72][73]
January 28 - AH-64 Apache from 4-227th Avn, 1st Air Cavalry Brigade, 1st Cavalry Division shot down by hostile fire during the Battle of Najaf, killing the two pilots.[74]
January 25 - A UH-60 Black Hawk shot down by gunfire near Hit. All aboard survive the incident.[75]
January 20 - A US AH-64 Apache helicopter crashed near Najaf. One solder killed.[76]
January 20 - A UH-60 Black Hawk from C Company/1/131 Avn[77] shot down by a combination of several heavy machine guns and a shoulder-fired missile north-east of Baghdad. All 12 crew and passengers on board are killed in the incident.[78][79]
[edit] 2006
December 11 - CH-53E Super Stallion 164785 from HMH-465 carrying 21 personnel crashes in Al Anbar Province. The helicopter experienced a brownout killing 1 and injuring 17.[80] Helicopter was written off.[81]
December 3 - CH-46E Sea Knight from HMM-165 carrying 16 personnel made an emergency landing on Lake Qadisiyah in Al Anbar Province. Four of the passengers drowned in the incident.[82][83]
November 6 - AH-64D Apache from A Company/1-82nd ARB attached to 25th Combat Aviation Brigade crashes north of Baghdad, killing the two pilots.[84]
September 7 - CH-53D Sea Stallion (157146) from HMH-463 made nighttime hard landing in Al Anbar Province and later was written off.[85]
August 8 - A UH-60 Black Hawk 86-24535 from 82nd AAC (MEDEVAC) attached to 3rd MAW crashes in Anbar, killing two crew members and injuring four.[86][87]
July 18 - A PZL W-3WA Sokół (Polish Air Force) crashes in Air Base in Al Diwaniyah, injuring 4 crew and 3 passengers.[88]
July 13 - AH-64D Apache from 4-4 Avn shot down south of Baghdad. The two pilots survive.[89]
May 27 - AH-1W SuperCobra 164591 from HMLA-169 crashes into Lake Habbaniyah, killing the pilot and a maintenance ground crew member on board.
May 14 - AH-6M Little Bird (OH-6 Cayuse) from 1-160th SOAR shot down during combat operations in Yusufiyah, southwest of Baghdad, killing the two crewmen.[90]
May 6 - A Westland Lynx AH.7 (Royal Navy) from 847 Squadron is shot down with a SA-14 over Basra, killing five crewmen and crashing into a house.[91][92]
April 1 - AH-64D Apache from 4-4 Avn shot down southwest of Baghdad, killing the two crewmen.[84]
January 16 - AH-64D Apache 03-5385 from B Company/1-4 Avn shot down north of Baghdad, killing the two pilots.[84][93]
January 13 - OH-58D Kiowa 95-0021 from 1-10th Avn shot down outside Forward Operating Base Courage, outside Mosul, killing the two pilots.[56]
January 7 - UH-60L Black Hawk 91-26346 from B Company/1-207th Avn crashes near Tal Afar in bad weather, killing 12 people on board. Reports suggest it was not shot down.[94]
[edit] 2005
December 26 - An AH-64D Apache 03-5375 from 1-4 Avn collides with another Apache near Baghdad, both crewmembers are killed.[84] Second AH-64 wasn’t destroyed.
November 2 - An AH-1W SuperCobra 165321 from HMLA-369 shot down near Ramadi, killing the two pilots.[95]
August 30 - An OH-58D(I) Kiowa 90-0037 from 4-3rd ACR crashes in Iraq.
August 12 - An AH-64A Apache 90-0442 from C Company/8/229th Avn crashes near Kirkuk, injuring both crewmembers. Helicopter is written off.[96]
July 19 - AH-64D Apache 02-5319 from 1-3rd Avn crashes in Iraq, injuring the two pilots. Helicopter is written off.[97]
July 2 - A CH-47D Chinook 85-24335 from C Company/159th Avn destroyed in a fire on the ground at Ramadi Camp.[98]
June 27 - An AH-64D Apache from 3-3rd Avn is shot down by a shoulder-fired missile near Mishahda, killing the two pilots.[84][99]
May 31 - An Italian AB-412 helicopter crashes near Nasiriyah, killing the four soldiers on board.[100]
May 26 - An OH-58D(I) Kiowa 93-0989 from 1-17th CAV is shot down with small arms near Baquba, killing the two crewmen.[56][101]
May 21 - A CH-47D Chinook 87-00102 from B Company/4-123rd Avn crashes in Iraq due to failure of both engines. Five crewmen injured. Helicopter was blown in-place.[102]
April 17 – AH-64D Apache 03-5370 from 4-3rd ACR makes hard landing near Baghdad.[103]
March 3 - A Westland Lynx mk.8 (Royal Navy)crashes during Gulf exercise. The three crew members survived. The Lynx is currently deployed to HMS Nottingham.[104]
January 28 - An OH-58 Kiowa 96-0019 from 1-7th Cav crashes in Baghdad after hitting electrical wires, killing the two crewmen.[56]
January 26 - A CH-53E Super Stallion 164536 from HMH-361 crashes in Al-Anbar province, killing 30 U.S. Marines and one Navy sailor.[105][106][107]
[edit] 2004

The UH-60 Black Hawk that crashed on September 21, 2004 December 15 - A PZL W-3WA Sokół 0902 from 25 BKP crashes near Karbala due to pilot error; three Polish soldiers are killed and four injured.[108]
December 9 - AH-64A Apache 91-0012 from A Company/1-151st Avn hit a UH-60L Black Hawk 82-23668 from N Company/4-278th ACR on the ground at a Mosul base, killing the two Apache pilots and wounding four soldiers on board the Black Hawk. Both helicopters destroyed.[84]
November 12 - UH-60A Black Hawk from 1-106th Avn shot down northeast of Baghdad, wounding three of the four crew members.[109]
November 11 - AH-1W SuperCobra 161021 from HMLA-169 is shot down by RPG and small arms fire near Fallujah. It is destroyed by Iraqi rebel forces, crew recovered intact.[110]
November 9 - US OH-58D Kiowa shot down by rocket fire over Fallujah.[111]
October 16 - Two OH-58D Kiowas 94-0172 and 97-0130 from 1-25th Avn collide near Baghdad, killing two pilots aboard the first craft, and wounding two aboard the other.[112]
September 23 - AH-64D Apache 5292 (B Company/1-227th Avn) crashes near Tallil AB, Iraq when pilot loses control following tail rotor problem.[97]
September 21 - UH-60A Black Hawk 87-24579 from A Company/1-244th Avn crashes near Nasiriyah, wounding four crew members.[113]
September 8 - CH-46E Sea Knight 153372 crashes and is burned out near Al-Buaisa probably because of enemy fire; all four crew members injured.[114][115]
September 4 - OH-58D Kiowa (3-17 CAV) shot down over Tal Afar, Iraq; both pilots safe. Incident highlighted in TV Documentary Kiowa Down.
August 11 - CH-53E Super Stallion 164782 from HMM-166 (Reinforced) crashes in the Al-Anbar province, killing two Marines and wounding three others.
August 8 – OH-58D(I) Kiowa 96-0015 made emergency landing north of Baghdad after being hit by RPG. Crew unhurt.[116]
August 5 - UH-1N Huey 160439 from HMM-166 shot down near Najaf; crew wounded.[117] Helicopter was later written off.[118]
July 19 - near Basra, a British HC.1 Aérospatiale Puma XW221 of 33 RAF Squadron crashes, killing one crewman and injuring two others.[119]
June 24 - AH-1W SuperCobra 163939 shot down in Fallujah; pilots safe.[120]
June 12 - OH-58D(R) Kiowa 94-0171 from A Co/1-25th Avn crashes north of Baghdad; both pilots safe.[121]
April 26 - OH-58D(I) Kiowa 91-0567 from P Troop/4/2nd ACR made emergency landing at Kut after engine problem and burned out. Both crewmembers safe.[53]
April 16 - CH-47D Chinook 92-0301 from C Company/193rd Avn (Hawaii Air National Guard) makes hard landing during sandstorm and was later destroyed. Crewmemers safe.[122]
April 12 - MH-53M Pave Low 69-5797 of 16th SOW/20th SOS shot down by RPG near Fallujah, three on board are wounded. Helicopter was later destroyed.[123][124]
April 11 - An AH-64D Apache 02-5301 from C Company, 1-227 AVN shot down west of Baghdad, killing both pilots.
April 7 - OH-58D Kiowa crashes near Baquba after being hit by ground fire; pilots rescued.
March 30 - Two AH-1W SuperCobras 163947 and 164595 of HMLA-775 collide near Al Taqaddum, Iraq; pilots rescued. Both helicopters destroyed.[81][120]
March 11 – CH-46E Sea Knight 153389 from HMM-161 makes hard landing in brownout conditions in Al Anbar province; took additional damage during transportation and later was written off.[114]
February 25 - OH-58D(R) Kiowa 97-0124 crashes in Iraq with 4-3rd ACR, after striking electrical wires west of Baghdad, killing the two pilots.[56][125]
January 25 - A OH-58D Kiowa (93-0957) from 3-17 CAV crashes into the Tigris River during a rescue mission, after hitting electrical wires, killing both pilots.[56]
January 23 - A OH-58D Kiowa (93-0950) from 3-17 CAV crashes just after take-off outside Mosul, killing both pilots.[56]
January 13 - AH-64 Apache from 4-3 CAV shot down near Habbaniyah, pilots rescued.
January 8 - A UH-60 Black Hawk (86-24488) from 571st Medical Company (Air Ambulance) shot down near Fallujah, killing 9 crew and passengers.[126][127][128]
January 2 - An OH-58D Kiowa 90-0370 from 1-17 CAV (assigned to 1-82 Avn) shot down near Fallujah, killing a pilot.[56]
January 1 – UH-60L Black Hawk 93-26514 (4-1091st AVN) makes hard landing.[129]
[edit] 2003

US Army Apache crashed in central Iraq on November 2003 December 11 - AH-64D Apache from 1-101st Avn crash-lands due to the APU clutch failing and starting a fire in flight and subsequently is burned to the ground 15 miles (24 km) south of Mosul. The pilots survived.[130]
December 9 - An OH-58 Kiowa helicopter is hit by a rocket-propelled grenade, forcing a crash landing. Both crewmembers survive.[131]
November 25 - OH-58D Kiowa 96-0040 crashes after its tail rotor struck ground.[116]
November 21 – OH-58D Kiowa 92-0605 from D Troop 1/17 CAV written off, reason unknown.[122]
November 15 - Mosul, two UH-60L Black Hawks from 4-101 Avn (93-26531) and 9-101 Avn (94-26548) collide and crash after one aircraft coming under fire; 6 and 11 soldiers (crew and passengers) on board are killed, respectively, and 5 others on board the first AC are injured.[132]
November 7 - UH-60L Black Hawk 92-26413 (or 92-26431) from 5-101 Avn shot down by a MANPAD near Tikrit; all four crew, and both passengers from the Department of the Army are killed.[133]
November 2 - near Fallujah, CH-47D Chinook 91-0230 of Detachment 1/F Company/106th Avn shot down with an SA-7 missile; 16 soldiers killed, 26 wounded.[134][135]
October 30 - AH-64D Apache 00-5211 (ex AH-64A 86-9009) of 6-6th Cav crashes near Balad AAF, Iraq, and burned out. Both crewmembers are safe.[136]
October 25 - UH-60L Black Hawk crashes and burns out after reportedly being hit by an RPG near Tikrit, 5 soldiers injured.[137]
October 23 - AH-64D Apache 00-5219 (ex AH-64A 86-8972) from 1-101st Avn crashes in Iraq while approaching to land at Kirkuk. The APU clutch failed and started a fire in flight. Aircraft landed safely but fuselage was almost completely burnt through.[136]
October 13 - OH-58D Kiowa (93-0991) from C Troop, 1/17th CAV crashes inside Iraq, pilots survive.
October 7 - OH-58D Kiowa (92-0578) crashes inside Iraq, pilots survive.[122]
September 2 - A soldier is killed as a UH-60L Black Hawk from 2-501 Avn rolls over during a nighttime troop insertion southwest of Baghdad.[138]
August 28 - CH-47D Chinook 88-0098 from F Company/159th Avn written off in Iraq.
August 14 - AH-64D Apache 01-5241 (ex AH-64A 87-0507) of 1-14th Avn crashes in Iraq.[139]
June 19 - AH-64A Apache 87-0498 of R Company, 4-3 ACR makes hard landing following inflight fire. Helicopter is written off.[113]
June 12 - AH-64D Apache of 101st Avn helicopter shot down near Baghdad, both crewmembers survive.[140]
May 19 - CH-46E Sea Knight 156424 of HMM-364 crashes in Al-Hilla, killing four Marines; another Marine drowns trying to rescue the crew.[141]
May 9 - UH-60A Black Hawk 86-24507 of 571st Medical Company (AA) crashes into Tigris River, the vicinity of Samarrah, Iraq killing two pilots and crew chief. One more soldier was injured.[142]
May 6 - OH-58D Kiowa 94-0163 of N Troop 4-3 ACR crashes near Al Asad and burns out. One crewmember injured.[121]
April 30 - A Marine CH-53E Super Stallion 162486 of HMH-465 crashes near Najaf and burns out. Crew escaped.[117]
April 14 - A Marine AH-1W SuperCobra 163940 of HMLA-169 crashes near Samarra, injuring both pilots. Helicopter was later destroyed.[120]
April 6 - UH-60 Black Hawk 93-26522 from B Co/4-101st Avn crashes inside Iraq, crew survive.[143]
April 5 - AH-1W SuperCobra 161020 of HMLA-267 crashes, killing both pilots.[144]
April 2 - A UH-60A Black Hawk (94-26557) of B Company/2-3rd Avn is shot down near Karbala, killing 7 soldiers and injuring 4 more.[145]
March 31 - AH-64D Apache 84-24201 of C Company/1-3rd Avn crashes on landing in Iraq, injuring the two pilots. Helicopter was written off.[146]
March 30 - UH-1N Huey 160620 of HMLA-169 crashes; three die.[147]
March 28 - Two AH-64D Apaches, 97-5032 (A Co) and 98-5068 (B Co) of 2-101st Avn crash in Iraq; one pilot injured.[148]
March 28 - OH-58D Kiowa 95-0006 from A Troop/2-17th Cav crashes in Iraq, pilots survive.[149]
March 27 - OH-58D Kiowa 95-0024 from C Troop/2-17th Cav crashes in Iraq, pilots survive.[149]
March 26 - UH-1N Huey 160444 of HMLA-269 makes hard landing in sandstorm and is written off.[117]
March 23 - AH-64D Apache 85-25407 from C Company/1-227th Avn shot down during attack on Republican Guard; two pilots taken prisoner.[150] Helicopter was later destroyed by Coalition aviation.
March 22 - Two Royal Navy ASaC.7 Sea Kings XV650 'CU-182' and XV704 'R-186' of 849 Squadron/A Flight collide over the Persian Gulf, killing six British crew members and one American.[151]
March 20 - CH-46E Sea Knight 152579 of HMM-268 crashes in Kuwait 9 kilometres (5.6 mi) from Iraqi border, killing eight British Marines of 42 CDO and four American Marines.[137]
March 19 - MH-53M Pave Low 67-14993 of 20th SOS carrying special forces crashes in southern Iraq. No one is killed. The craft was later destroyed to prevent capture.[152]
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cushioncrawler
04-09-2010, 06:10 PM
I suspekt that an RPG iznt very effektiv against a helicopter.
I see 3 RPG's mentioned in the list -- 2 of theze attacks allso inklooded bullets -- only 1 givs sole blame to an RPG.
In all 3 cases the helicopter crash-landed ok -- which iz suspekt i think -- wouldnt an RPG knock a copter out of the sky??
But there are lots of shoulder fired missiles mentioned -- mightbe theze are RPG's?????
madMac.

LWW
04-10-2010, 01:24 AM
An RPG's weakness is that it is a fire and forget weapon ... IOW it all rests on the aim of the shooter and the reaction time as the RPG cannot redirect in flight.

Put another way, close in an RPG is quite deadly. At greater distance not so much.

LWW