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hondo
04-08-2010, 09:15 PM
Anti-Obama Tea Parties Nothing More Than a Corporate Ploy
Posted By novenator - Monday, April 13th, 2009 at 1:41 PM
This is getting entertaining. The Tea Parties planned for Wednesday, April 15th are starting to get some publicity and thousands of people are likely to turn out for what will be a comical event of what boils down to 'sore loser' syndrome. The ones pulling the strings behind this are right wing groups protecting the entrenched beltway establishment that has a stranglehold on our system of government, and they are determined to stop our president from reforming the broken system.

Fox News has been giving a lot of traction to the Tea Party protests coming up on the 15th, just like they've been giving airtime to ultra-conservative talking points for over a decade in the true spirit of the propaganda network they are. Pravda would be envious. What's behind the Tea Parties? Is this really a spontaneous mass revolt against Barack Obama, or is there something else behind it?

BACKGROUND
The timing of it all is a huge clue as to it's origins. Where were all these protests when (King) George Bush was in charge and why are they suddenly springing up all around the country? It can't be about the ARRA (a.k.a. the economic stimulus) because Bush and the Republicans spent trillions of dollars on foreign ventures of destruction and nation building, while Obama is spending money at home to improve infrastructure and create jobs for working Americans. Further, duringthe last 30 years of Republican rule, debt has skyrocketed under the mantra of "Starving the beast", in essence creating huge deficits (and consequently national debt) via tax cuts for the rich to force the government to cut programs.

Since 1981, fiscal conservatism has meant 'borrow and spend', so why the sudden outrage? Now we're supposed to believe that despite the Republicans doubling the national debt during the Bush years, leaving the Obama administration a $1.3 Trillion deficit, and worse yet, giving the country the Great Recession, we are supposed to believe that 'conservative' economic policy is the answer? No sir. Nobody is buying what they are selling anymore, those days are over.

Although the first tea party appears to be Ron Paul's "money bomb" on December 16, 2007- the brain child of campaign staffer Trevor Lyman in which $4.7 million was raised online in 24 hours- this term did not stick. The Tea Party 'movement' as we now know it started with the infamous "Santelli rant". CNBC's Rick Santelli's call for a "tea party" in Chicago next summer was quickly picked up by a website called ChicagoTeaParty.com and spread from there to the Drudge Report and around the net. However, the ChicagoTeaParty.com domain is not new. It was registered last summer by the producer of a right-wing radio show in Chicago (Milt Rosenberg), leading to the conclusion that anti-stimulus protests are corporate front. Not too many people truly believe that a conservative web domain would just happen to be the first to report on this obviously scripted rant. That's too much of a coincidence for even the 22%ers (those still loyal to the Bush/Cheney regime) to believe.

According to Mark Ames & Yasha Levine, "What we discovered is that Santelli's "rant" was not spontaneous as his alleged fans claim, but rather it was a carefully-planned trigger for the anti-Obama campaign. In PR terms, his February 19th call for a "Chicago Tea Party" was the launch event of a carefully organized and sophisticated PR campaign."


ORGANIZATION
From that point on, a coordinated effort has been underway to plan protests across the nation, the first 'big tea party' to be held on April 15th because it is just before the tax deadline. It comes to light that there are 2 groups central to organizing this whole endeavor: Freedomworks and Progress for America. Stormfront, the white supremacist website has got in on the action too, though their contribution seems to be minor at this point.

The former, Freedomworks is a conservative Washington D.C. organization that specializes in astroturfing From Wikipedia: "Astroturfing is...political, advertising, or public relations campaigns seeking to create the impression of being spontaneous "grassroots" behavior, hence the reference to the artificial grass, AstroTurf. The goal of such a campaign is to disguise the efforts of a political or commercial entity as an independent public reaction to some event (something the Soviet Union specialized in). Astroturfing is a form of propaganda whose techniques usually consist of a few people attempting to give the impression that mass numbers of enthusiasts advocate some specific cause.

Freedomworks was originally founded in Citizens for a Sound Economy in 1984, a "conservative political group operating in the United States, whose self-described mission was "to fight for less government, lower taxes, and less regulation." Note, LESS REGULATION. They would "anonymously leverage corporate contributions into debates on public policy" and had close ties to Koch Industries (a Wichita, Kansas corporation that bankrolls right wing causes, such as the Cato Institute think tank and formerly helped form the John Birch Society, who advocates the US withdrawal from the UN).

The other group behind the Tea Party organizing is Progress for America. Again from Wikipedia, "PFA was established in 2001 to support George W. Bush's "agenda for America." The PFA Voter Fund, which was set up in 2004, raised $38 million in support of Bush's 2004 election bid Progress for America, [is] a "friends of the party" organization "operated by Tony Feather, the former political director of the 2000 Bush-Cheney campaign and a close friend of White House political adviser Karl Rove. In 2005, the PFA pushed privatizing social security and abolishing the filibuster in the US Senate as a means of ramming through conservative ideologues into high courts.


OBJECTIVE
So why are so many people going to demonstrate on the 15th? The central themes of the protests are under the guise of economic responsibility, the national debt, and taxation. They can best be summarized by the talking points promoted on such websites as butsasforme, the Heritage Foundation, usnews, indianapolisteaparty.com, and teapartyslogans.com.

Financially responsibility is good theme, something that everyone can get behind. If someone lives a lifestyle outside of their means, like eating at 5-star restaurants on the credit card, that is insanity, and much more indicative of typical fiscal policy for every president since Reagan (except Clinton, who not only balanced the budget, but left a surplus). Are we going deeper into debt at the moment? Hell yes, but the difference is that under Obama, we are making investments that will save us money in the long term, much more akin to using that same credit card to buy a new suit for a better job.

This all stems from the classic Republican transference tactic, whereby they are trying to lay the blame of the Great Recession squarely onto the shoulders of Obama, harnessing popular discontent, and putting the people with the same economic philosophies into power in 2010 that will hamstring any reforms that would put this country back onto the right track. The same thing happened in the run-up to the 1994 mid-terms that saw conservative Republicans sweep both the house and senate, effectively stopping Bill Clinton from doing everything that needed to be done to change the direction of the runaway train of conservative policy.

The same groups that supported the neocons fiscal policy are now behind the Tea Parties, mainly Freedomworks who advocated lower taxes for the rich and less regulation, and Progress for America who pushed for putting Social Security into the stock market. Both of these groups clearly advocate the failed economic policies of the past, and are now behind the Tea Parties. Coincidence? Obviously not. They are using libertarians and disenfranchised citizens as tools and pawns in their scheme to derail the movement for change in a quest to get back in power.


RESPONSE
How does one respond to this? The answer is simple, expose what is going on, fight back, go out and counter-protest. Anyone can go to one of their central organizing websites Tax Day Tea Party and find the planned rallies closest to them. Despite the fact that these people will try to make a stink of things, then obediantly then go pay their taxes, it is important for everyone who wanted to change the country to remain vigilant and active. The corporate lobbyists are not going to go away and their masters will fight to the bitter end to keep the system in place that has made them rich at the expense of most Americans, so we need to make sure our voices are heard as well. More importantly, we need to ensure that this deception and manipulation does not go unnoticed.

It needs to be emphasized that the central theme of counter protests is not to spoil their Tea Parties. They have a right to tea protest, and to speak their minds. As freedom loving citizns of this country, we must afford them the exact same rights that we would like to have as guaranteed by the constitution. For those who choose to show up at counter protests, the objective should be to inform them that they are being used and manipulated by the same right wing organizations that helped double our national debt in the first plac

hondo
04-08-2010, 09:16 PM
A little dated but still relevant.

JohnnyD
04-08-2010, 11:12 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A little dated but still relevant. </div></div>Irrelevent now.More cut and paste.Learn to think for yourself.Do not be fooled by other.You have a mind use it properly.Stay off those drugs.Jesus loves you.

ugotda7
04-09-2010, 06:14 AM
A Liberal Guide to Debating Conservatives
Mar 31, 2010 Author Scot Cerullo

Liberals have long since learned that debating Conservatives can be a challenging endeavor, since Conservatives have a penchant for fortifying their arguments with facts, statistics, history and other elements that create convincing and thoughtful arguments.

Not to worry. The following are several tips Liberals can use right away to begin defeating Conservatives in every debate, every time.

Lib Tip # 1: Drop the Race Card: The moment your Conservative opponent begins crafting a cogent, air-tight argument buttressed in fact, drop the race card. This technique is designed to stifle further discussion, impugns your opponent and puts him on the defensive. Often, this is enough of a distraction to direct attention away from your lack of qualitative, quantitative evidence.

Lib Tip # 2: Impugn the Source: When debating a Conservative, content is less important than character. When your Conservative opponent states a compelling argument, do not address the argument and instead attack the Conservative personally. Since we are all sinners, it shouldn’t take long to find something wrong with your opponent. Use it.

Lib Tip # 3: Social Justice Trumps Logic: Argue every issue from a “Social Justice” or “Moral” high-ground. The Conservative will attempt to show that your ideas are unworkable, unsustainable or downright illogical. Don’t worry about any of that. Just stay on message by arguing from the moral, social justice perspective.

Lib Tip # 4: Exploit the Weakest Link: Define your opponent by his weakest link. If 10,000 Tea Partiers hold a rally, and one guy has a placard that is inappropriate, that is all you need to characterize the entire group as radical, racist militants. See how that works? It’s simple and fun and, most importantly, deflects all those awkward facts and articulate points away from the discussion and leaves the Conservative in a defensive mode.

Lib Tip # 5: Use “New Speak”: If health care is not a right according to the Constitution, and you want it to be a right, claim it is and then raise your voice. Raising your voice is always the best course of action in lieu of a good argument. Redefine words to suit your needs, and always be on guard for any stray, powerful fact or statistic the Conservative may use to support their position.

Lib Tip # 6: State the Opposite of what you believe: If you are in favor of taking money from producers and giving it to non-producers, that’s fine, but make sure your wording is a bit more obtuse than that. Try saying you are in favor of moral and social justice, and characterize everyone who earns a good living as somehow having won the lottery in life, and all those who want as being desperately hard-working folks who have an almost allergic reaction to hand-outs. Never imply or point out in any way that people can change their situation simply by making better decisions.

Lib Tip # 7: Define America by it’s Errors, not its Successes: Taking a cue from Lib Tip # 4, it is important to characterize America by it’s errors in judgement and misdeeds. It is critical that you completely overlook the good things America has done, and the manner in which it has beaten back one dictatorship after another. In fact, you must go to some lengths to divert people from the notion that without America, the world would be a far more dangerous, hostile, sad place. So talk about Indians and Slaves.

Lib Tip # 8: Blame talk radio and FOX news for fanning hate and racism: Avoid at all costs the fact that both talk radio and FOX news stand in defiant refutation of an otherwise fully agreeable media that presents only one template, a liberal template. Also, attempt to divert attention should someone ask why Conservative Talk Radio and FOX news is growing exponentially, while traditional, liberal media is closing offices, thinning their employees and running deficits like, you know, the government.

Lib Tip # 9: Government is Good: Insist that a massive expansion of government is a good thing. Assert that it is our patriotic duty to pay ever more in taxes so that a centralized government comprised of east and west coast Liberal elites can decide what is best for the unwashed masses, since it would be sheer lunacy to allow individuals the right to make decisions for themselves. If you run into problems, see Tips 1-8.

Lib Tip # 10: Assign Blame away from Yourself: Always assign blame to the other guy, preferably a Conservative. This may require rewriting history so that people may one day believe that Reagan did NOT usher in 25 years of prosperity, or it may require still more retooling of the content of public school text books. But over time we’ll get there.

Remember: The ends justify the means. No matter how cruel and violating the means may be, if it results in a mediocre society where all citizens ultimately suck off the the government for their most meager needs, it will all be worthwhile.

There is of course the small matter of where all the money for all these programs will come from. Right now, they come from spirited entrepreneurs, dreamers with drive and other people whose passion poses a direct threat to the new world we want to usher in.

But first things first. Learn the ten tips to squelch free speech, hurt your opponent with the intellectual equivelant of a kick to the groin and avoid facts, statistics and studies altogether, as those will get you in trouble.

Good luck Liberals! Battle on and remember what Dennis Prager said: The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen. Oh wait, no. You don’t want to remember that. My bad. Here, try this: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs. Yeah, that’s the one. Whew!

LWW
04-09-2010, 06:42 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JohnnyD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A little dated but still relevant. </div></div>Irrelevent now.More cut and paste.Learn to think for yourself.Do not be fooled by other.You have a mind use it properly.Stay off those drugs.Jesus loves you. </div></div>

He blindly takes his orders from dearest leader.

The will of the people must be thwarted is the ideology that dearest leader feeds to the far left.

We life in the "1984" which Orwell predicted, and H/G/W/Q merely cut and paste the contents of the daily "TWO MINUTES HATE" which is fed to them.

Your suggestions that they think for themselves is perceived by them as "THOUGHTCRIME" because the party forbids it.

This was also witnessed by hondo's refusal to accept a free copy of the COTUS ... the reading of which is considered to be radical and dangerous thinking by the far left.

I do wish I could them, as well as every American, to read Orwell's work ... and the COTUS.

LWW

Gayle in MD
04-10-2010, 08:16 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Anti-Obama Tea Parties Nothing More Than a Corporate Ploy
Posted By novenator - Monday, April 13th, 2009 at 1:41 PM
This is getting entertaining. The Tea Parties planned for Wednesday, April 15th are starting to get some publicity and thousands of people are likely to turn out for what will be a comical event of what boils down to 'sore loser' syndrome. The ones pulling the strings behind this are right wing groups protecting the entrenched beltway establishment that has a stranglehold on our system of government, and they are determined to stop our president from reforming the broken system.

Fox News has been giving a lot of traction to the Tea Party protests coming up on the 15th, just like they've been giving airtime to ultra-conservative talking points for over a decade in the true spirit of the propaganda network they are. Pravda would be envious. What's behind the Tea Parties? Is this really a spontaneous mass revolt against Barack Obama, or is there something else behind it?

BACKGROUND
The timing of it all is a huge clue as to it's origins. Where were all these protests when (King) George Bush was in charge and why are they suddenly springing up all around the country? It can't be about the ARRA (a.k.a. the economic stimulus) because Bush and the Republicans spent trillions of dollars on foreign ventures of destruction and nation building, while Obama is spending money at home to improve infrastructure and create jobs for working Americans. Further, duringthe last 30 years of Republican rule, debt has skyrocketed under the mantra of "Starving the beast", in essence creating huge deficits (and consequently national debt) via tax cuts for the rich to force the government to cut programs.

Since 1981, fiscal conservatism has meant 'borrow and spend', so why the sudden outrage? Now we're supposed to believe that despite the Republicans doubling the national debt during the Bush years, leaving the Obama administration a $1.3 Trillion deficit, and worse yet, giving the country the Great Recession, we are supposed to believe that 'conservative' economic policy is the answer? No sir. Nobody is buying what they are selling anymore, those days are over.

Although the first tea party appears to be Ron Paul's "money bomb" on December 16, 2007- the brain child of campaign staffer Trevor Lyman in which $4.7 million was raised online in 24 hours- this term did not stick. The Tea Party 'movement' as we now know it started with the infamous "Santelli rant". CNBC's Rick Santelli's call for a "tea party" in Chicago next summer was quickly picked up by a website called ChicagoTeaParty.com and spread from there to the Drudge Report and around the net. However, the ChicagoTeaParty.com domain is not new. It was registered last summer by the producer of a right-wing radio show in Chicago (Milt Rosenberg), leading to the conclusion that anti-stimulus protests are corporate front. Not too many people truly believe that a conservative web domain would just happen to be the first to report on this obviously scripted rant. That's too much of a coincidence for even the 22%ers (those still loyal to the Bush/Cheney regime) to believe.

According to Mark Ames & Yasha Levine, "What we discovered is that Santelli's "rant" was not spontaneous as his alleged fans claim, but rather it was a carefully-planned trigger for the anti-Obama campaign. In PR terms, his February 19th call for a "Chicago Tea Party" was the launch event of a carefully organized and sophisticated PR campaign."


ORGANIZATION
From that point on, a coordinated effort has been underway to plan protests across the nation, the first 'big tea party' to be held on April 15th because it is just before the tax deadline. It comes to light that there are 2 groups central to organizing this whole endeavor: Freedomworks and Progress for America. Stormfront, the white supremacist website has got in on the action too, though their contribution seems to be minor at this point.

The former, Freedomworks is a conservative Washington D.C. organization that specializes in astroturfing From Wikipedia: "Astroturfing is...political, advertising, or public relations campaigns seeking to create the impression of being spontaneous "grassroots" behavior, hence the reference to the artificial grass, AstroTurf. The goal of such a campaign is to disguise the efforts of a political or commercial entity as an independent public reaction to some event (something the Soviet Union specialized in). Astroturfing is a form of propaganda whose techniques usually consist of a few people attempting to give the impression that mass numbers of enthusiasts advocate some specific cause.

Freedomworks was originally founded in Citizens for a Sound Economy in 1984, a "conservative political group operating in the United States, whose self-described mission was "to fight for less government, lower taxes, and less regulation." Note, LESS REGULATION. They would "anonymously leverage corporate contributions into debates on public policy" and had close ties to Koch Industries (a Wichita, Kansas corporation that bankrolls right wing causes, such as the Cato Institute think tank and formerly helped form the John Birch Society, who advocates the US withdrawal from the UN).

The other group behind the Tea Party organizing is Progress for America. Again from Wikipedia, "PFA was established in 2001 to support George W. Bush's "agenda for America." The PFA Voter Fund, which was set up in 2004, raised $38 million in support of Bush's 2004 election bid Progress for America, [is] a "friends of the party" organization "operated by Tony Feather, the former political director of the 2000 Bush-Cheney campaign and a close friend of White House political adviser Karl Rove. In 2005, the PFA pushed privatizing social security and abolishing the filibuster in the US Senate as a means of ramming through conservative ideologues into high courts.


OBJECTIVE
So why are so many people going to demonstrate on the 15th? The central themes of the protests are under the guise of economic responsibility, the national debt, and taxation. They can best be summarized by the talking points promoted on such websites as butsasforme, the Heritage Foundation, usnews, indianapolisteaparty.com, and teapartyslogans.com.

Financially responsibility is good theme, something that everyone can get behind. If someone lives a lifestyle outside of their means, like eating at 5-star restaurants on the credit card, that is insanity, and much more indicative of typical fiscal policy for every president since Reagan (except Clinton, who not only balanced the budget, but left a surplus). Are we going deeper into debt at the moment? Hell yes, but the difference is that under Obama, we are making investments that will save us money in the long term, much more akin to using that same credit card to buy a new suit for a better job.

This all stems from the classic Republican transference tactic, whereby they are trying to lay the blame of the Great Recession squarely onto the shoulders of Obama, harnessing popular discontent, and putting the people with the same economic philosophies into power in 2010 that will hamstring any reforms that would put this country back onto the right track. The same thing happened in the run-up to the 1994 mid-terms that saw conservative Republicans sweep both the house and senate, effectively stopping Bill Clinton from doing everything that needed to be done to change the direction of the runaway train of conservative policy.

The same groups that supported the neocons fiscal policy are now behind the Tea Parties, mainly Freedomworks who advocated lower taxes for the rich and less regulation, and Progress for America who pushed for putting Social Security into the stock market. Both of these groups clearly advocate the failed economic policies of the past, and are now behind the Tea Parties. Coincidence? Obviously not. They are using libertarians and disenfranchised citizens as tools and pawns in their scheme to derail the movement for change in a quest to get back in power.


RESPONSE
How does one respond to this? The answer is simple, expose what is going on, fight back, go out and counter-protest. Anyone can go to one of their central organizing websites Tax Day Tea Party and find the planned rallies closest to them. Despite the fact that these people will try to make a stink of things, then obediantly then go pay their taxes, it is important for everyone who wanted to change the country to remain vigilant and active. The corporate lobbyists are not going to go away and their masters will fight to the bitter end to keep the system in place that has made them rich at the expense of most Americans, so we need to make sure our voices are heard as well. More importantly, we need to ensure that this deception and manipulation does not go unnoticed.

It needs to be emphasized that the central theme of counter protests is not to spoil their Tea Parties. They have a right to tea protest, and to speak their minds. As freedom loving citizns of this country, we must afford them the exact same rights that we would like to have as guaranteed by the constitution. For those who choose to show up at counter protests, the objective should be to inform them that they are being used and manipulated by the same right wing organizations that helped double our national debt in the first plac
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Great post Hondo.

Thanks...
Right Wing Media is having a real field day reporting their lies....Fomenting violence, distorting reality, and lets hope the nutjobs keep on swallowing it up, like the myth that the President is down in popularity....another rw exaggeration!

http://mediamatters.org/columns/201003170005
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