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hondo
04-08-2010, 09:51 PM
How The Dumbing Of America Has Affected The Political Arena


When did America lose its ability to think? It wasn't with my parent's generation. Born in early 1900's, living through the Great Depression, two World Wars and everything else that happened between then and now, they never took anything at face value in the political arena. At 98 years of age, my mother still doesn't.

But my generation begin the politics of "non think" and this election it is in the zenith of its danger. Politics is not the only area that our "unthinking" is prevalent...just look at our economic situation as well as the moral and ethical practices of our nation.

People don't think. The vast majority of our decisions are made upon first impulse reactions, wrong or incomplete data, prejudices, ignorance or just plain stupidity. When we can't think critically, we will just go along with the rhetoric that sounds the best....because we can't determine what is truth or not.

hondo
04-08-2010, 09:53 PM
From a site called Squidoo.

Truth vs. truthyness.

JohnnyD
04-08-2010, 11:08 PM
Learn to think for yourself.

ugotda7
04-09-2010, 06:15 AM
A Liberal Guide to Debating Conservatives
Mar 31, 2010 Author Scot Cerullo

Liberals have long since learned that debating Conservatives can be a challenging endeavor, since Conservatives have a penchant for fortifying their arguments with facts, statistics, history and other elements that create convincing and thoughtful arguments.

Not to worry. The following are several tips Liberals can use right away to begin defeating Conservatives in every debate, every time.

Lib Tip # 1: Drop the Race Card: The moment your Conservative opponent begins crafting a cogent, air-tight argument buttressed in fact, drop the race card. This technique is designed to stifle further discussion, impugns your opponent and puts him on the defensive. Often, this is enough of a distraction to direct attention away from your lack of qualitative, quantitative evidence.

Lib Tip # 2: Impugn the Source: When debating a Conservative, content is less important than character. When your Conservative opponent states a compelling argument, do not address the argument and instead attack the Conservative personally. Since we are all sinners, it shouldnít take long to find something wrong with your opponent. Use it.

Lib Tip # 3: Social Justice Trumps Logic: Argue every issue from a ďSocial JusticeĒ or ďMoralĒ high-ground. The Conservative will attempt to show that your ideas are unworkable, unsustainable or downright illogical. Donít worry about any of that. Just stay on message by arguing from the moral, social justice perspective.

Lib Tip # 4: Exploit the Weakest Link: Define your opponent by his weakest link. If 10,000 Tea Partiers hold a rally, and one guy has a placard that is inappropriate, that is all you need to characterize the entire group as radical, racist militants. See how that works? Itís simple and fun and, most importantly, deflects all those awkward facts and articulate points away from the discussion and leaves the Conservative in a defensive mode.

Lib Tip # 5: Use ďNew SpeakĒ: If health care is not a right according to the Constitution, and you want it to be a right, claim it is and then raise your voice. Raising your voice is always the best course of action in lieu of a good argument. Redefine words to suit your needs, and always be on guard for any stray, powerful fact or statistic the Conservative may use to support their position.

Lib Tip # 6: State the Opposite of what you believe: If you are in favor of taking money from producers and giving it to non-producers, thatís fine, but make sure your wording is a bit more obtuse than that. Try saying you are in favor of moral and social justice, and characterize everyone who earns a good living as somehow having won the lottery in life, and all those who want as being desperately hard-working folks who have an almost allergic reaction to hand-outs. Never imply or point out in any way that people can change their situation simply by making better decisions.

Lib Tip # 7: Define America by itís Errors, not its Successes: Taking a cue from Lib Tip # 4, it is important to characterize America by itís errors in judgement and misdeeds. It is critical that you completely overlook the good things America has done, and the manner in which it has beaten back one dictatorship after another. In fact, you must go to some lengths to divert people from the notion that without America, the world would be a far more dangerous, hostile, sad place. So talk about Indians and Slaves.

Lib Tip # 8: Blame talk radio and FOX news for fanning hate and racism: Avoid at all costs the fact that both talk radio and FOX news stand in defiant refutation of an otherwise fully agreeable media that presents only one template, a liberal template. Also, attempt to divert attention should someone ask why Conservative Talk Radio and FOX news is growing exponentially, while traditional, liberal media is closing offices, thinning their employees and running deficits like, you know, the government.

Lib Tip # 9: Government is Good: Insist that a massive expansion of government is a good thing. Assert that it is our patriotic duty to pay ever more in taxes so that a centralized government comprised of east and west coast Liberal elites can decide what is best for the unwashed masses, since it would be sheer lunacy to allow individuals the right to make decisions for themselves. If you run into problems, see Tips 1-8.

Lib Tip # 10: Assign Blame away from Yourself: Always assign blame to the other guy, preferably a Conservative. This may require rewriting history so that people may one day believe that Reagan did NOT usher in 25 years of prosperity, or it may require still more retooling of the content of public school text books. But over time weíll get there.

Remember: The ends justify the means. No matter how cruel and violating the means may be, if it results in a mediocre society where all citizens ultimately suck off the the government for their most meager needs, it will all be worthwhile.

There is of course the small matter of where all the money for all these programs will come from. Right now, they come from spirited entrepreneurs, dreamers with drive and other people whose passion poses a direct threat to the new world we want to usher in.

But first things first. Learn the ten tips to squelch free speech, hurt your opponent with the intellectual equivelant of a kick to the groin and avoid facts, statistics and studies altogether, as those will get you in trouble.

Good luck Liberals! Battle on and remember what Dennis Prager said: The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen. Oh wait, no. You donít want to remember that. My bad. Here, try this: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs. Yeah, thatís the one. Whew!

LWW
04-09-2010, 06:46 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How The Dumbing Of America Has Affected The Political Arena


When did America lose its ability to think? It wasn't with my parent's generation. Born in early 1900's, living through the Great Depression, two World Wars and everything else that happened between then and now, they never took anything at face value in the political arena. At 98 years of age, my mother still doesn't.

But my generation begin the politics of "non think" and this election it is in the zenith of its danger. Politics is not the only area that our "unthinking" is prevalent...just look at our economic situation as well as the moral and ethical practices of our nation.

People don't think. The vast majority of our decisions are made upon first impulse reactions, wrong or incomplete data, prejudices, ignorance or just plain stupidity. When we can't think critically, we will just go along with the rhetoric that sounds the best....because we can't determine what is truth or not.

</div></div>

The tipping point was when the feds took over public education.

LWW

pooltchr
04-09-2010, 06:54 AM
If there was ever any doubt as to the accuracy of your post, we need only look at the last election to see how true it is. People were blinded by the idea of a carasmatic leader who preached hope and change, was totally unqualified for the job, but was elected in part due to his age and race rather than any indication that he actually had the ability to lead the country.

Larry, I agree that government intervention in our educational system has helped create an environment where people will believe whatever they are told to believe.

Good Post! The thread title might have been better worded to read "Why our political system DOESN'T work."

Qtec
04-09-2010, 07:47 AM
If he Tea Party were working they wouldn't have the time to hang around all day harassing people.

Q

LWW
04-09-2010, 08:54 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If he Tea Party were working they wouldn't have the time to hang around all day harassing people.

Q </div></div>

If Obama wasn't destroying jobs at a prodigious rate they would be working.

LWW

pooltchr
04-09-2010, 08:56 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If he Tea Party were working they wouldn't have the time to hang around all day harassing people.

Q </div></div>

If Obama wasn't destroying jobs at a prodigious rate they would be working.

LWW </div></div>


LMAO!!! That was priceless!!!!

Steve

DeadCrab
04-09-2010, 11:17 AM
Suggest you take a gander at the fat old white farts that make up your typical tea bagger gathering.

It is obvious they spend all their socialist social security handouts on junk food and cheap beer, creating medical conditions that they will use their socialist government mandated medicare to get treated.

Parasites. Afraid someone else will get a shot at the same piece of government pie that they wolf down.

LWW
04-09-2010, 11:30 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DeadCrab</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Suggest you take a gander at the fat old white farts that make up your typical tea bagger gathering.

It is obvious they spend all their socialist social security handouts on junk food and cheap beer, creating medical conditions that they will use their socialist government mandated medicare to get treated.

Parasites. Afraid someone else will get a shot at the same piece of government pie that they wolf down. </div></div>

You obviously have never attended one.

But ... I already knew that.

LWW

pooltchr
04-09-2010, 12:07 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DeadCrab</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Suggest you take a gander at the fat old white farts that make up your typical tea bagger gathering.

It is obvious they spend all their socialist social security handouts </div></div>

Suggest you take a gander at Social Security. It is not a "handout: as you suggest, as the government take our (yours and mine) money all of our working lives, and agrees to pay it back after retirement. The fact that government has totally mismanaged the money in their care is the reason the program is in trouble.

Do a little research and see just how much you have paid into Social Security in your lifetime, and then try to convince us that it's a handout.

Ponzi scheme? I coulod possibly agree with that. Handout? No way!

Steve

DeadCrab
04-09-2010, 12:39 PM
Social security is a tax. It is pay as you go. There is no big cookie jar where the government saves your money. Work for 10 years (40 quarters) and you are covered for life. It is a socialist entitlement. They don't cut you off when your benefits exceed your contributions.

Personally, I have no problem with that, and I plan to collect my share. I also expect to tap into medicare some day. But unlike the 'baggers, I don't whine about similar programs being extended to a broader population.

pooltchr
04-09-2010, 01:13 PM
But the amount of your benefit is determined by how much you have paid into it. If you work for 10 years making $50k per year, and I work for 20 years at the same average, my bemefit will be larger than yours. You get a personal account statement every year. You should read it. I can just about promise you that yours and mine are not the same.

Yes, I plan to collect my social security...it's my damn money to begin with!

Steve

DeadCrab
04-09-2010, 01:32 PM
OK, given that, why would anyone of like mind object to persons getting health care benefits from a pool they paid into?

I see no difference.

BTW, there is debate regarding whether those at the top or bottom of the economic food chain are compensated out of proportion to their SS contributions. One thing is for sure. Die and you lose it all.

LWW
04-09-2010, 02:05 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DeadCrab</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

OK, given that, why would anyone of like mind object to persons getting health care benefits from a pool they paid into?</div></div>

Nice spin.

What Obamacare will do is lower the standard of medical care for the many down ... it will not raise the bottom level of care.

Only in socialist lunacy is "FAIRNESS" achieved by spreading misery to all sections of society.

LWW

pooltchr
04-09-2010, 02:27 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DeadCrab</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

OK, given that, why would anyone of like mind object to persons getting health care benefits from a pool they paid into?

I see no difference.

</div></div>

I'm not wure I know specifically what you are talking about. If you are talking about medicare, it's the same thing. We all pay into it (by force) so it will be there at a later time. Another program that is unstable only because of gross mismanagement by the government.

If you are talking about insurance, that is exactly how it works. We pool our funds, and the insurance company agrees to pay for those who need it. The principle is socialist in nature, but since it is (well, it used to be) voluntary, it's a whole different ball game.

Steve

DeadCrab
04-09-2010, 03:53 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DeadCrab</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

OK, given that, why would anyone of like mind object to persons getting health care benefits from a pool they paid into?</div></div>

Nice spin.

What Obamacare will do is lower the standard of medical care for the many down ... it will not raise the bottom level of care.

Only in socialist lunacy is "FAIRNESS" achieved by spreading misery to all sections of society.

LWW</div></div>

Speculative. Medicare and medicaid have not done this.

DeadCrab
04-09-2010, 04:03 PM
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We all pay into it (by force) so it will be there at a later time. Another program that is unstable only because of gross mismanagement by the government.
*************

Yet nearly 50 years later, everyone still gets paid, and they are less of a PITA than private insurers.

Both you and I carried draft cards at one time. The concept of being forced to do something by the government is nothing new.

LWW
04-09-2010, 04:16 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DeadCrab</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
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We all pay into it (by force) so it will be there at a later time. Another program that is unstable only because of gross mismanagement by the government.
*************

Yet nearly 50 years later, everyone still gets paid, and they are less of a PITA than private insurers.

Both you and I carried draft cards at one time. The concept of being forced to do something by the government is nothing new.
</div></div>

Actually SS/MEDICARE/MEDICAID/FDIC/FSLIC/FNMA/FHLC are all broke.

They all amassed trust funds when the population was younger ... and the state squandered it.

Now benefits are being paid by printing ever less valuable dollars.

GAME OVER!

LWW

eg8r
04-11-2010, 08:18 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">But my generation begin the politics of "non think" and this election it is in the zenith of its danger.</div></div>So you would agree someone making a statement like, "I don't care what the platform, stump speech, beliefs etc, I will not vote if they have an (R) after their name", is a great example of the dumbing down of America?

eg8r

eg8r
04-11-2010, 08:20 PM
LOL, Obama said unemployment would max out around 7-8%. Don't you think people would be pissed off and start organizing and speaking out when it reaches almost 10%? 10% unemployed is a pretty high number and I am sure some of those found their way to a tea party "get together". However, people like you consider working in an illegal casino and withholding taxes is an example "work", right?

eg8r

hondo
04-12-2010, 05:11 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">But my generation begin the politics of "non think" and this election it is in the zenith of its danger.</div></div>So you would agree someone making a statement like, "I don't care what the platform, stump speech, beliefs etc, I will not vote if they have an (R)or a (D) after their name", is a great example of the dumbing down of America?

eg8r </div></div>

YES!

pooltchr
04-12-2010, 06:47 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">But my generation begin the politics of "non think" and this election it is in the zenith of its danger.</div></div>So you would agree someone making a statement like, "I don't care what the platform, stump speech, beliefs etc, I will not vote if they have an (R)or a (D) after their name", is a great example of the dumbing down of America?

eg8r </div></div>

YES! </div></div>

Good answer! I'm betting that the one who made that statement won't even comment.
Blindly supporting any party is nothing short of totally ignorant.

Steve

Gayle in MD
04-12-2010, 08:33 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DeadCrab</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Suggest you take a gander at the fat old white farts that make up your typical tea bagger gathering.

It is obvious they spend all their socialist social security handouts on junk food and cheap beer, creating medical conditions that they will use their socialist government mandated medicare to get treated.

Parasites. Afraid someone else will get a shot at the same piece of government pie that they wolf down. </div></div>

Excellent! Bravo. An excellent portrayal of exactly what I saw in Washington every time this fat lazy bunch of scum showed up with their threatening domestic terrorism threats.

Nothing could be more skewed than the very same dangerous radical elements of the Tea Party types, presenting themselves as Constitutional supporters, while displaying their own racist, sexist signs, and spewing their hatred with a vengence.

Interesting that every rightie that complains about social security having been accessed by politicians, never mentions the fact that the party which raided the cookie jar for decades, was mostly Republican....

Indicative of their refusal to admit to the economic mess Bush left, the no win foreign mess in the Middle East, and his overal lawlessness nd incompetence throughout his tenure...

None of that bothered any of them, and in fact, they failed to anticipate the disastrous consequences, nor connect them to the current critical events which we must now struggle to overcome.

They remained in complete denial, throughout all of the lies that were told to force the country into the un-necessary, illegal Iraq war, followed by more lies to cover up the incompetence with which it was prosecuted.

The lies which were used to cover up all the illegal activities, and the lies which are still being used to whitewash the disastrous results of Republican economic policies for twelve years, and eight years of Bush, the worst president in our history, who left office with a 22% approval rating, for a damn good reason! No, these brilliant lay commentators attacked all of those of us who warned that Bush was destroying our economy, weakening our foreign circumstances, stirring up the kind of trouble which we would ultimately wish we had never gotten caught up in in the first place.

Too bad the Tea Partiers didn't hear the same stories which I heard from our troops, which can be reduced down to one overwhelming question. Why are we in Iraq! "I signed up to fight al Qaeda, not Iraqis, and not Saddam."

The right is only good at one thing, glossing over their own Partyy's gross failures, and illogical unamerican ideology. The Deregulation Heores of Reagans original assault on the common man. While they were defending Republican policies of allowing corporations to oversee their own activities, an absurd notion in and of itself, Wall Street was having a field day with their 401 K's, WITH the approval of Greenspan, who stated that even fraud was A-OK in his view of appropriate corporate power.

Now the rightwing activist Supreme Court, has insured that corrupt corporations across the country can continue to exploit their financial power and buy the Republican Representative they choose, who will advance their continued thievery, including their attacks on the environment, and their complete disregard for health, clean air, clean water, and their refusal to concern themselves with reducing all the trash they spread into the environment.




Bah bah bah...

G.

LWW
04-12-2010, 08:58 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DeadCrab</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DeadCrab</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

OK, given that, why would anyone of like mind object to persons getting health care benefits from a pool they paid into?</div></div>

Nice spin.

What Obamacare will do is lower the standard of medical care for the many down ... it will not raise the bottom level of care.

Only in socialist lunacy is "FAIRNESS" achieved by spreading misery to all sections of society.

LWW</div></div>

Speculative. Medicare and medicaid have not done this. </div></div>

Actually they have, MEDICARE/MEDICAID reject more procedures than any insurance company in America, take in the most funding, have the highest administration costs, and are both broke.

LWW

eg8r
04-12-2010, 12:21 PM
Thank you. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

eg8r

eg8r
04-12-2010, 12:21 PM
You got it.

hondo
04-12-2010, 01:40 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thank you. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

eg8r </div></div>

No problem. Once I made a slight adjustment in your quote, it was easy to agree with you.

eg8r
04-12-2010, 01:48 PM
Your adjustment did not change anything. We have a member of the board that fit your "dumbing down" definition perfectly and it did not matter which party I posted. I chose to use the actual one used by that member so that there would be zero ambiguity as to whom I was referring. I don't waste my time with being politically correct but you can if you want.

eg8r

hondo
04-12-2010, 01:54 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Your adjustment did not change anything. We have a member of the board that fit your "dumbing down" definition perfectly and it did not matter which party I posted. I chose to use the actual one used by that member so that there would be zero ambiguity as to whom I was referring. I don't waste my time with being politically correct but you can if you want.

eg8r </div></div>

And we have several members of this board who fit my adjustment perfectly.
Surely you can see that?

eg8r
04-12-2010, 02:08 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And we have several members of this board who fit my adjustment perfectly.
Surely you can see that? </div></div>Maybe so, but I have not seen any one of them make a statement like the person I was referring to. That has only happened by a lefty.

eg8r

hondo
04-12-2010, 02:12 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And we have several members of this board who fit my adjustment perfectly.
Surely you can see that? </div></div>Maybe so, but I have not seen any one of them make a statement like the person I was referring to. That has only happened by a lefty.

eg8r </div></div>

We see what we want to see, bro.

eg8r
04-12-2010, 02:14 PM
Then show me an example. We all know who I am referring to, so pony up...

eg8r

hondo
04-12-2010, 02:32 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Then show me an example. We all know who I am referring to, so pony up...

eg8r </div></div>

Bullsh*t! Pick any post you want by lotter, dud, yugo,
sev, lameass,under, and at least half of yours.

Pony up, my arse.
I can't believe you said that.

You're one of the few I was still willing to converse with on here but if you're going to go ignorant on me, I'll pass on you too.
Yeah, those open-minded Republicans on here.
"Pony up." Jesu Maria!!!!

eg8r
04-12-2010, 02:46 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Bullsh*t! Pick any post you want by lotter, dud, yugo,
sev, lameass,under, and at least half of yours.</div></div>So you don't have any examples? The one I gave stated explicitly how that person intended to vote and as you agree it was a great example of dumbing down.

If you have examples of someone else stating the same thing then by all means prove it. Otherwise, your correction of my statement made no difference at all to what I stated and actually put you in a difficult position to prove the correction added any value whatsoever.

As far as you wanting to converse or not, I don't care. I was very specific in my example and you chose to modify it. When you are confronted to provide an example that would prove any value was added in your "modification" you have nothing. Maybe it is only because the lefties here are dumb enough to prove your "dumbing down" point, who knows.

eg8r

pooltchr
04-12-2010, 04:09 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And we have several members of this board who fit my adjustment perfectly.
Surely you can see that? </div></div>Maybe so, but I have not seen any one of them make a statement like the person I was referring to. That has only happened by a lefty.

eg8r </div></div>

Hondo, there is only one poster on this forum that I am aware of who has stated that under no circumstances would they ever vote for a Republican. By your own statement, you admitted that would be an example of the dumbing down of America.

I don't think anyone else on either side has ever made such a statement.

Steve

hondo
04-12-2010, 08:47 PM
Nice talking to you. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smirk.gif

Bye, bye.

ugotda7
04-12-2010, 10:38 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Then show me an example. We all know who I am referring to, so pony up...

eg8r </div></div>

Bullsh*t! Pick any post you want by lotter, dud, yugo,
sev, lameass,under, and at least half of yours.

Pony up, my arse.
I can't believe you said that.

You're one of the few I was still willing to converse with on here but if you're going to go ignorant on me, I'll pass on you too.
Yeah, those open-minded Republicans on here.
"Pony up." Jesu Maria!!!! </div></div>




A Liberal Guide to Debating Conservatives
Mar 31, 2010 Author Scot Cerullo

Liberals have long since learned that debating Conservatives can be a challenging endeavor, since Conservatives have a penchant for fortifying their arguments with facts, statistics, history and other elements that create convincing and thoughtful arguments.

Not to worry. The following are several tips Liberals can use right away to begin defeating Conservatives in every debate, every time.

Lib Tip # 1: Drop the Race Card: The moment your Conservative opponent begins crafting a cogent, air-tight argument buttressed in fact, drop the race card. This technique is designed to stifle further discussion, impugns your opponent and puts him on the defensive. Often, this is enough of a distraction to direct attention away from your lack of qualitative, quantitative evidence.

Lib Tip # 2: Impugn the Source: When debating a Conservative, content is less important than character. When your Conservative opponent states a compelling argument, do not address the argument and instead attack the Conservative personally. Since we are all sinners, it shouldnít take long to find something wrong with your opponent. Use it.

Lib Tip # 3: Social Justice Trumps Logic: Argue every issue from a ďSocial JusticeĒ or ďMoralĒ high-ground. The Conservative will attempt to show that your ideas are unworkable, unsustainable or downright illogical. Donít worry about any of that. Just stay on message by arguing from the moral, social justice perspective.

Lib Tip # 4: Exploit the Weakest Link: Define your opponent by his weakest link. If 10,000 Tea Partiers hold a rally, and one guy has a placard that is inappropriate, that is all you need to characterize the entire group as radical, racist militants. See how that works? Itís simple and fun and, most importantly, deflects all those awkward facts and articulate points away from the discussion and leaves the Conservative in a defensive mode.

Lib Tip # 5: Use ďNew SpeakĒ: If health care is not a right according to the Constitution, and you want it to be a right, claim it is and then raise your voice. Raising your voice is always the best course of action in lieu of a good argument. Redefine words to suit your needs, and always be on guard for any stray, powerful fact or statistic the Conservative may use to support their position.

Lib Tip # 6: State the Opposite of what you believe: If you are in favor of taking money from producers and giving it to non-producers, thatís fine, but make sure your wording is a bit more obtuse than that. Try saying you are in favor of moral and social justice, and characterize everyone who earns a good living as somehow having won the lottery in life, and all those who want as being desperately hard-working folks who have an almost allergic reaction to hand-outs. Never imply or point out in any way that people can change their situation simply by making better decisions.

Lib Tip # 7: Define America by itís Errors, not its Successes: Taking a cue from Lib Tip # 4, it is important to characterize America by itís errors in judgement and misdeeds. It is critical that you completely overlook the good things America has done, and the manner in which it has beaten back one dictatorship after another. In fact, you must go to some lengths to divert people from the notion that without America, the world would be a far more dangerous, hostile, sad place. So talk about Indians and Slaves.

Lib Tip # 8: Blame talk radio and FOX news for fanning hate and racism: Avoid at all costs the fact that both talk radio and FOX news stand in defiant refutation of an otherwise fully agreeable media that presents only one template, a liberal template. Also, attempt to divert attention should someone ask why Conservative Talk Radio and FOX news is growing exponentially, while traditional, liberal media is closing offices, thinning their employees and running deficits like, you know, the government.

Lib Tip # 9: Government is Good: Insist that a massive expansion of government is a good thing. Assert that it is our patriotic duty to pay ever more in taxes so that a centralized government comprised of east and west coast Liberal elites can decide what is best for the unwashed masses, since it would be sheer lunacy to allow individuals the right to make decisions for themselves. If you run into problems, see Tips 1-8.

Lib Tip # 10: Assign Blame away from Yourself: Always assign blame to the other guy, preferably a Conservative. This may require rewriting history so that people may one day believe that Reagan did NOT usher in 25 years of prosperity, or it may require still more retooling of the content of public school text books. But over time weíll get there.

Remember: The ends justify the means. No matter how cruel and violating the means may be, if it results in a mediocre society where all citizens ultimately suck off the the government for their most meager needs, it will all be worthwhile.

There is of course the small matter of where all the money for all these programs will come from. Right now, they come from spirited entrepreneurs, dreamers with drive and other people whose passion poses a direct threat to the new world we want to usher in.

But first things first. Learn the ten tips to squelch free speech, hurt your opponent with the intellectual equivelant of a kick to the groin and avoid facts, statistics and studies altogether, as those will get you in trouble.

Good luck Liberals! Battle on and remember what Dennis Prager said: The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen. Oh wait, no. You donít want to remember that. My bad. Here, try this: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs. Yeah, thatís the one. Whew!

eg8r
04-13-2010, 08:49 AM
Once again, you have nothing. All you want to do is argue. I was very specific and you can't back up your side with proof. So at the end of this, your change to my wording was pointless because the only shining example of dumbing down came from a lefty.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
04-13-2010, 09:04 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">But my generation begin the politics of "non think" and this election it is in the zenith of its danger.</div></div>So you would agree someone making a statement like, "I don't care what the platform, stump speech, beliefs etc, I will not vote if they have an (R)or a (D) after their name", is a great example of the dumbing down of America?

eg8r </div></div>

YES! </div></div>

LMAO! I find it interesting that someone who has displayed the gross denials of factual information, over and over, as Ed has on here for years, would go out of his way to attempt throw out some sort of attack, which isn't even accurate.

He's obviously aiming his attack on me, but as usual, he's wrong.

I would NEVER vote for a Republican. That doesn't exclude voting for an Independent, which I have done many times, hence, voting a straight party line, isn't my voting history, but very likely his.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Voting Republican always led to great disappointment in the end result, for me, and after doing so, I lived to regret having voted Republican, every time I did so. Hence, I'll never be stupid enough to do so again.

It's really funny to see how these rightwing nutcases, who would rather slit their wrists than to vote Democratic, and have never posted any notice of anything good done by any Democratic, are hypocritical enough to try to make an issue over voting one's party line. I think one of them one time gave kudos to a dead Democratic President. That is the ONLY time any of them ever wrote any appreciation for a Democratic, LMAO!

I, on the other hand, have written quite a few posts of appreciation for the few Republicans who have stood for truth, and spoken truth to power.

I'd be the last one on this site to have to defend my voting record against any one of the blind RW sheep who post in support of treasonist, toe tapping, pedophiliac, crooked Republicans, and do so over and over, regardless of how many broken laws, ruined economies, expanded enemies, unfinished, un-necessary wars, continuous lies, broken earmark records, expanded government, lost jobs, and collapsed economies that Republicans leave consistantly in their wake!

I'll say it again, with pride....I WOULD NEVER VOTE FOR A REPUBLICAN! And, in fact, anyone who still would after everything we've watched for the last three decades, needs to have their head examined.

But then, some of them are stupid enough to write that Valarie Plame was just a secretary, or that debts don't matter when Republicans are the ones running them up!

Idiots! For them, it's never about the facts or the issues, it's always a pig fight. Same thing we see at the so called Tea Parties.... uneducated, uninformed, greedy pigs without a clue about how we got into the mess we're in, and the personification of ignorance.

G.

eg8r
04-13-2010, 09:08 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LMAO! I find it interesting that someone who has displayed the gross denials of factual information, over and over, as Ed has on here for years, would go out of his way to attempt throw out some sort of attack, which isn't even accurate.

He's obviously aiming his attack on me, but as usual, he's wrong.

I would NEVER vote for a Republican. That doesn't exclude voting for an Independent, which I have done many times, hence, voting a striaght party line, isn't my voting history.</div></div>Well then gaylio, I guess you just proved me right and you are the shining example of dumbing down that hondo was referring to.

eg8r

pooltchr
04-13-2010, 05:56 PM
That single statement she made exemplifies everything that is wrong with our political system. People voting for or against parties and not candidates are the most ignorant and dangerous threats to our country. Look at what it got us last time!!!!

Steve

hondo
04-13-2010, 06:05 PM
I've voted for Republicans before and I would for one again if I found one worth voting for.
The fact that the neo-cons are so enamored with Palin shows
what a sorry state the Republicans are in.

They seem more obsessed with trashing the other side than
coming up with a viable candidate. JMHO.

hondo
04-13-2010, 06:06 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Once again, you have nothing. All you want to do is argue. I was very specific and you can't back up your side with proof. So at the end of this, your change to my wording was pointless because the only shining example of dumbing down came from a lefty.

eg8r </div></div>




Liberal Guide to Debating Conservatives


Liberals have long since learned that debating Conservatives can be a challenging endeavor, since Conservatives are generally misinformed, and twist the truth beyond recognition. Present them with proven facts, after which you can expect to be personally attacked.

Not to worry. The following are several other tips Liberals can use right away to begin defeating Conservatives in every debate, every time.

Lib Tip # 1: Point out the fact that a Black face at a Conservative Convention is almost unheard of. Then point to the history of Southern White Racists, and link those racist attitudes with the many currently serving conservatives on Capital Hill, who applaud the racist signs used by their constituents. At last, remind them that Michael Steele, when exposed for his expensive spending of contributors money, pulled the race card. After pointing to this fact, you can expect to be personally attacked.


Lib Tip # 2: It is best to end a debate before it starts when a conservative begins to assert facts which have already been proven to be lies. Since they only watch Fox News, and listen to irrational zealots like Beck and Limpballs, don't expect anything rational to come from their opinions. End the debate, and then expect to be personally attacked, non stop into infinity.


Lib Tip # 3: Remember taht morals have been a thing of the past for Conservatives for many years. Point to the many pedophiles, closeted gays who stay in the closet, while purporting "Family Values" and vote against gay rights, then add to that all of the convicted felons and marital falanderers from the "Family Values" Christian Conservatives. Point out the pedophilia of the Catholic Church, and the child abuse at Christian Bible School Camps, After which, You can expect to be personally attacked.


Lib Tip # 4: Exploit the Weakest Link: Define your opponent by his weakest link. If 10,000 Tea Partiers hold a rally, amid racist signs which were displayed in front of Republican Leaders who applauded them right in front of the cameras, on the capital steps. your point can be proven just by providing the link to the many videos which prove your point.

Additionally, you can provide the links to the racist, angry mobs that began way back during the campaign. If they still persist, and call you a liar, which is their habit when proven wrong, you might consider refering them to the Southern Poverty Law Center, where reams of factual information is provided and which includes links to sources such as the FBI, and the Homeland Security Department, also warning of the dangers currently being displayed by the many numerous threats of violence, and multiple radical groups, growing within the conservative Tea Parties. This will also likely bring on another personal attack.


Lib Tip # 5: Be alert for their right-wing talking points. That is all that they have, so expect them to use them frequently. Remember, these people voted twice for George Bush, the worst president in history, who said that the Constitution was just a piece of paper, during his tenure, while he broke the Geneva Conventions, was slapped down three times by the Supreme Court for unconstitutional behavior, illegally spied on Americans, fomented torture and lied the country into a war. Don't expect Conservatives who applaud duntzes like Sara Palin, and George Bush, to have any appreciation for the REAL news of the day. Their goal is to avoid reality, so be careful to illimate them early on, from any attempt at real debate. Expect continued personal attacks, even years after you have ended any interaction.

Lib Tip # 6: Remember, these people hate their government, as they were brainwashed to do many years ago, by an actor who pretended to have a brain, so don't expect any real patriotism, or empathy for their fellow Americans. They may call themselves Christians, but in fact, they are greedy, cannot stand to think that any of their tax dollars might help another American, and only approve of seeing their taxes be used to kill people on the other side of the world, or fill the pockets of the walthy. so remember, they are truly not Christians, at all. Expect to be personally attacked when you point out their hisotrical documented lack of appreciation for any humanitarian endeavors.

Lib Tip # 7: Define America by itís Errors, not its Successes: This is what they love, since they hate their government. Expect to be personally attacked regardless, since attack mode is their only debating skill.

Taking a cue from Lib Tip # 4, It is important to characterize America by itís current goals and issues, since their ability to grasp the true historical information is unheard of. It is critical that you completely overlook all the bad moves America has made, and the manner in which Republicans supported and propped up one dictatorship after another. In fact, you must go to some lengths to divert people from the notion that because of Republican policies, particularly those of both Bush administrations, and Reagan's administration, the world is a far more dangerous, hostile, sad place. It is pointless to address these facts, since conservatives cannot grasp them.

Even pointing out the bad treatment of Indians and Slaves, will be denied by Conservatives, since they still think the White Man deserves to have slaves, and actually have Governors on the scene, currently, who praise the Confederacy, without a mention of slavery at all. Expect to be personally attacked after you do this...and don't bother mentioning how many Americans have been killed by the same Weapons of Mass Destruction which Conservatives have spread around the world for money for decades.

Lib Tip # 8: Blame talk radio and FOX news for fanning hate and racism: Because they are in fact the Conservative's main source of unamerican rheotric and lies. Avoid at all costs the fact that both talk radio and FOX news would not be able to spread around all theuir propaganda, if their King Communist, Ronald Reagan, hadn't removed all semblence of journalistic integrity, and standards. Pointing out that Fox's wide audience is linked to the same radical element, and growing irrational RW radical threat which our law enforcement is so concerned about, or the fact that some of the Fox Propagandists, and irrational RW pundits, have actually been linked to murders, will only bring about an example of that very irrational thinking and in some cases, threats of violence, from the Conservative with whom you have attempted to reason. Above all, NEVER try rational reasoning with a propagandized Conservative. They are beyond hope. Expect to be personally attacked, if you dare to maintain your own opinion.

Lib Tip # 9: Government is Good: Insist that appropriate government intervention is a good thing, and is included in the Founder's intentions.

Assert that it is our patriotic duty to pay taxes in spite of the fact that their beloved wealthy corporate fascist pigs, don't pay them. Nothing makes a Conservative more angry than when you point out that the wealthy do not pay their fair share of taxes, since they still believe in the already proven ridiculous theory of Trickle Down Economics.

Also, when debating with a conservative, don't expect any knowledge of economics in general, since they have been known to disregard even the most basic principles adn think that gross debt growth under Republcian control, is not a concern, at all. They ahve been known to defend this absurdity even in the face of complete economic collapse. Expect to be personally attacked when you point this out.


Lib Tip # 10: Send them to this web address http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/01/09/bush-on-jobs-the-worst-track-record-on-record/tab/article/

which will prove all their ridiculous asssertions about Reagan's economic achievements to be just another of their fantasies. Bill Clinton created the best economy in recent history. Created more jobs than Both Bush's combined, and most Republicans. Tell them that Jimmy Carter produced more jobs than either W. or his father, combined. Expect to be attacked, personally, when you point out this fact.



And at last, and this is probably the best advice of all, Don't bother debating with Conservatives, at all. They are generally nasty people which you would be far better off avoiding entirely. Who want's to argue needlessly with brick headed idiots who think that Sara Palin is a genius, or that a man can live inside of a whale

ugotda7
04-13-2010, 11:54 PM
Being stupid is its own reward.

JohnnyD
04-14-2010, 12:43 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Once again, you have nothing. All you want to do is argue. I was very specific and you can't back up your side with proof. So at the end of this, your change to my wording was pointless because the only shining example of dumbing down came from a lefty.

eg8r </div></div>




Liberal Guide to Debating Conservatives


Liberals have long since learned that debating Conservatives can be a challenging endeavor, since Conservatives are generally misinformed, and twist the truth beyond recognition. Present them with proven facts, after which you can expect to be personally attacked.

Not to worry. The following are several other tips Liberals can use right away to begin defeating Conservatives in every debate, every time.

Lib Tip # 1: Point out the fact that a Black face at a Conservative Convention is almost unheard of. Then point to the history of Southern White Racists, and link those racist attitudes with the many currently serving conservatives on Capital Hill, who applaud the racist signs used by their constituents. At last, remind them that Michael Steele, when exposed for his expensive spending of contributors money, pulled the race card. After pointing to this fact, you can expect to be personally attacked.


Lib Tip # 2: It is best to end a debate before it starts when a conservative begins to assert facts which have already been proven to be lies. Since they only watch Fox News, and listen to irrational zealots like Beck and Limpballs, don't expect anything rational to come from their opinions. End the debate, and then expect to be personally attacked, non stop into infinity.


Lib Tip # 3: Remember taht morals have been a thing of the past for Conservatives for many years. Point to the many pedophiles, closeted gays who stay in the closet, while purporting "Family Values" and vote against gay rights, then add to that all of the convicted felons and marital falanderers from the "Family Values" Christian Conservatives. Point out the pedophilia of the Catholic Church, and the child abuse at Christian Bible School Camps, After which, You can expect to be personally attacked.


Lib Tip # 4: Exploit the Weakest Link: Define your opponent by his weakest link. If 10,000 Tea Partiers hold a rally, amid racist signs which were displayed in front of Republican Leaders who applauded them right in front of the cameras, on the capital steps. your point can be proven just by providing the link to the many videos which prove your point.

Additionally, you can provide the links to the racist, angry mobs that began way back during the campaign. If they still persist, and call you a liar, which is their habit when proven wrong, you might consider refering them to the Southern Poverty Law Center, where reams of factual information is provided and which includes links to sources such as the FBI, and the Homeland Security Department, also warning of the dangers currently being displayed by the many numerous threats of violence, and multiple radical groups, growing within the conservative Tea Parties. This will also likely bring on another personal attack.


Lib Tip # 5: Be alert for their right-wing talking points. That is all that they have, so expect them to use them frequently. Remember, these people voted twice for George Bush, the worst president in history, who said that the Constitution was just a piece of paper, during his tenure, while he broke the Geneva Conventions, was slapped down three times by the Supreme Court for unconstitutional behavior, illegally spied on Americans, fomented torture and lied the country into a war. Don't expect Conservatives who applaud duntzes like Sara Palin, and George Bush, to have any appreciation for the REAL news of the day. Their goal is to avoid reality, so be careful to illimate them early on, from any attempt at real debate. Expect continued personal attacks, even years after you have ended any interaction.

Lib Tip # 6: Remember, these people hate their government, as they were brainwashed to do many years ago, by an actor who pretended to have a brain, so don't expect any real patriotism, or empathy for their fellow Americans. They may call themselves Christians, but in fact, they are greedy, cannot stand to think that any of their tax dollars might help another American, and only approve of seeing their taxes be used to kill people on the other side of the world, or fill the pockets of the walthy. so remember, they are truly not Christians, at all. Expect to be personally attacked when you point out their hisotrical documented lack of appreciation for any humanitarian endeavors.

Lib Tip # 7: Define America by itís Errors, not its Successes: This is what they love, since they hate their government. Expect to be personally attacked regardless, since attack mode is their only debating skill.

Taking a cue from Lib Tip # 4, It is important to characterize America by itís current goals and issues, since their ability to grasp the true historical information is unheard of. It is critical that you completely overlook all the bad moves America has made, and the manner in which Republicans supported and propped up one dictatorship after another. In fact, you must go to some lengths to divert people from the notion that because of Republican policies, particularly those of both Bush administrations, and Reagan's administration, the world is a far more dangerous, hostile, sad place. It is pointless to address these facts, since conservatives cannot grasp them.

Even pointing out the bad treatment of Indians and Slaves, will be denied by Conservatives, since they still think the White Man deserves to have slaves, and actually have Governors on the scene, currently, who praise the Confederacy, without a mention of slavery at all. Expect to be personally attacked after you do this...and don't bother mentioning how many Americans have been killed by the same Weapons of Mass Destruction which Conservatives have spread around the world for money for decades.

Lib Tip # 8: Blame talk radio and FOX news for fanning hate and racism: Because they are in fact the Conservative's main source of unamerican rheotric and lies. Avoid at all costs the fact that both talk radio and FOX news would not be able to spread around all theuir propaganda, if their King Communist, Ronald Reagan, hadn't removed all semblence of journalistic integrity, and standards. Pointing out that Fox's wide audience is linked to the same radical element, and growing irrational RW radical threat which our law enforcement is so concerned about, or the fact that some of the Fox Propagandists, and irrational RW pundits, have actually been linked to murders, will only bring about an example of that very irrational thinking and in some cases, threats of violence, from the Conservative with whom you have attempted to reason. Above all, NEVER try rational reasoning with a propagandized Conservative. They are beyond hope. Expect to be personally attacked, if you dare to maintain your own opinion.

Lib Tip # 9: Government is Good: Insist that appropriate government intervention is a good thing, and is included in the Founder's intentions.

Assert that it is our patriotic duty to pay taxes in spite of the fact that their beloved wealthy corporate fascist pigs, don't pay them. Nothing makes a Conservative more angry than when you point out that the wealthy do not pay their fair share of taxes, since they still believe in the already proven ridiculous theory of Trickle Down Economics.

Also, when debating with a conservative, don't expect any knowledge of economics in general, since they have been known to disregard even the most basic principles adn think that gross debt growth under Republcian control, is not a concern, at all. They ahve been known to defend this absurdity even in the face of complete economic collapse. Expect to be personally attacked when you point this out.


Lib Tip # 10: Send them to this web address http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/01/09/bush-on-jobs-the-worst-track-record-on-record/tab/article/

which will prove all their ridiculous asssertions about Reagan's economic achievements to be just another of their fantasies. Bill Clinton created the best economy in recent history. Created more jobs than Both Bush's combined, and most Republicans. Tell them that Jimmy Carter produced more jobs than either W. or his father, combined. Expect to be attacked, personally, when you point out this fact.



And at last, and this is probably the best advice of all, Don't bother debating with Conservatives, at all. They are generally nasty people which you would be far better off avoiding entirely. Who want's to argue needlessly with brick headed idiots who think that Sara Palin is a genius, or that a man can live inside of a whale


</div></div>Yet again you make a fool of yourself.Hondo stop the drug use.Have a drink of scotch and pray for your sins.The truth will set you free.

JohnnyD
04-14-2010, 12:44 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ugotda7</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Being stupid is its own reward. </div></div>He had posted he was a school teacher i knew it was all lies.

hondo
04-14-2010, 05:46 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ugotda7</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Being stupid is its own reward. </div></div>


Originally Posted By: LWW: "I apologize to the forum&gt;"

hondo
04-14-2010, 05:47 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JohnnyD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Once again, you have nothing. All you want to do is argue. I was very specific and you can't back up your side with proof. So at the end of this, your change to my wording was pointless because the only shining example of dumbing down came from a lefty.

eg8r </div></div>




Liberal Guide to Debating Conservatives


Liberals have long since learned that debating Conservatives can be a challenging endeavor, since Conservatives are generally misinformed, and twist the truth beyond recognition. Present them with proven facts, after which you can expect to be personally attacked.

Not to worry. The following are several other tips Liberals can use right away to begin defeating Conservatives in every debate, every time.

Lib Tip # 1: Point out the fact that a Black face at a Conservative Convention is almost unheard of. Then point to the history of Southern White Racists, and link those racist attitudes with the many currently serving conservatives on Capital Hill, who applaud the racist signs used by their constituents. At last, remind them that Michael Steele, when exposed for his expensive spending of contributors money, pulled the race card. After pointing to this fact, you can expect to be personally attacked.


Lib Tip # 2: It is best to end a debate before it starts when a conservative begins to assert facts which have already been proven to be lies. Since they only watch Fox News, and listen to irrational zealots like Beck and Limpballs, don't expect anything rational to come from their opinions. End the debate, and then expect to be personally attacked, non stop into infinity.


Lib Tip # 3: Remember taht morals have been a thing of the past for Conservatives for many years. Point to the many pedophiles, closeted gays who stay in the closet, while purporting "Family Values" and vote against gay rights, then add to that all of the convicted felons and marital falanderers from the "Family Values" Christian Conservatives. Point out the pedophilia of the Catholic Church, and the child abuse at Christian Bible School Camps, After which, You can expect to be personally attacked.


Lib Tip # 4: Exploit the Weakest Link: Define your opponent by his weakest link. If 10,000 Tea Partiers hold a rally, amid racist signs which were displayed in front of Republican Leaders who applauded them right in front of the cameras, on the capital steps. your point can be proven just by providing the link to the many videos which prove your point.

Additionally, you can provide the links to the racist, angry mobs that began way back during the campaign. If they still persist, and call you a liar, which is their habit when proven wrong, you might consider refering them to the Southern Poverty Law Center, where reams of factual information is provided and which includes links to sources such as the FBI, and the Homeland Security Department, also warning of the dangers currently being displayed by the many numerous threats of violence, and multiple radical groups, growing within the conservative Tea Parties. This will also likely bring on another personal attack.


Lib Tip # 5: Be alert for their right-wing talking points. That is all that they have, so expect them to use them frequently. Remember, these people voted twice for George Bush, the worst president in history, who said that the Constitution was just a piece of paper, during his tenure, while he broke the Geneva Conventions, was slapped down three times by the Supreme Court for unconstitutional behavior, illegally spied on Americans, fomented torture and lied the country into a war. Don't expect Conservatives who applaud duntzes like Sara Palin, and George Bush, to have any appreciation for the REAL news of the day. Their goal is to avoid reality, so be careful to illimate them early on, from any attempt at real debate. Expect continued personal attacks, even years after you have ended any interaction.

Lib Tip # 6: Remember, these people hate their government, as they were brainwashed to do many years ago, by an actor who pretended to have a brain, so don't expect any real patriotism, or empathy for their fellow Americans. They may call themselves Christians, but in fact, they are greedy, cannot stand to think that any of their tax dollars might help another American, and only approve of seeing their taxes be used to kill people on the other side of the world, or fill the pockets of the walthy. so remember, they are truly not Christians, at all. Expect to be personally attacked when you point out their hisotrical documented lack of appreciation for any humanitarian endeavors.

Lib Tip # 7: Define America by itís Errors, not its Successes: This is what they love, since they hate their government. Expect to be personally attacked regardless, since attack mode is their only debating skill.

Taking a cue from Lib Tip # 4, It is important to characterize America by itís current goals and issues, since their ability to grasp the true historical information is unheard of. It is critical that you completely overlook all the bad moves America has made, and the manner in which Republicans supported and propped up one dictatorship after another. In fact, you must go to some lengths to divert people from the notion that because of Republican policies, particularly those of both Bush administrations, and Reagan's administration, the world is a far more dangerous, hostile, sad place. It is pointless to address these facts, since conservatives cannot grasp them.

Even pointing out the bad treatment of Indians and Slaves, will be denied by Conservatives, since they still think the White Man deserves to have slaves, and actually have Governors on the scene, currently, who praise the Confederacy, without a mention of slavery at all. Expect to be personally attacked after you do this...and don't bother mentioning how many Americans have been killed by the same Weapons of Mass Destruction which Conservatives have spread around the world for money for decades.

Lib Tip # 8: Blame talk radio and FOX news for fanning hate and racism: Because they are in fact the Conservative's main source of unamerican rheotric and lies. Avoid at all costs the fact that both talk radio and FOX news would not be able to spread around all theuir propaganda, if their King Communist, Ronald Reagan, hadn't removed all semblence of journalistic integrity, and standards. Pointing out that Fox's wide audience is linked to the same radical element, and growing irrational RW radical threat which our law enforcement is so concerned about, or the fact that some of the Fox Propagandists, and irrational RW pundits, have actually been linked to murders, will only bring about an example of that very irrational thinking and in some cases, threats of violence, from the Conservative with whom you have attempted to reason. Above all, NEVER try rational reasoning with a propagandized Conservative. They are beyond hope. Expect to be personally attacked, if you dare to maintain your own opinion.

Lib Tip # 9: Government is Good: Insist that appropriate government intervention is a good thing, and is included in the Founder's intentions.

Assert that it is our patriotic duty to pay taxes in spite of the fact that their beloved wealthy corporate fascist pigs, don't pay them. Nothing makes a Conservative more angry than when you point out that the wealthy do not pay their fair share of taxes, since they still believe in the already proven ridiculous theory of Trickle Down Economics.

Also, when debating with a conservative, don't expect any knowledge of economics in general, since they have been known to disregard even the most basic principles adn think that gross debt growth under Republcian control, is not a concern, at all. They ahve been known to defend this absurdity even in the face of complete economic collapse. Expect to be personally attacked when you point this out.


Lib Tip # 10: Send them to this web address http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/01/09/bush-on-jobs-the-worst-track-record-on-record/tab/article/

which will prove all their ridiculous asssertions about Reagan's economic achievements to be just another of their fantasies. Bill Clinton created the best economy in recent history. Created more jobs than Both Bush's combined, and most Republicans. Tell them that Jimmy Carter produced more jobs than either W. or his father, combined. Expect to be attacked, personally, when you point out this fact.



And at last, and this is probably the best advice of all, Don't bother debating with Conservatives, at all. They are generally nasty people which you would be far better off avoiding entirely. Who want's to argue needlessly with brick headed idiots who think that Sara Palin is a genius, or that a man can live inside of a whale


</div></div>Yet again you make a fool of yourself.Hondo stop the drug use.Have a drink of scotch and pray for your sins.The truth will set you free. </div></div>


Originally Posted By: LWW: "I apologize to the forum&gt;"

ugotda7
04-14-2010, 06:00 AM
You always have been a good follower of your betters.

eg8r
04-14-2010, 11:40 AM
It seems like both sides are interested in trashing the other side. Definitely a horribe state of affairs.

eg8r

eg8r
04-14-2010, 12:09 PM
Isn't that sweet. If you can't beat them join them. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

eg8r

Gayle in MD
04-14-2010, 12:18 PM
/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/tired.gif

JohnnyD
04-14-2010, 11:00 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LMAO! I find it interesting that someone who has displayed the gross denials of factual information, over and over, as Ed has on here for years, would go out of his way to attempt throw out some sort of attack, which isn't even accurate.

He's obviously aiming his attack on me, but as usual, he's wrong.

I would NEVER vote for a Republican. That doesn't exclude voting for an Independent, which I have done many times, hence, voting a striaght party line, isn't my voting history.</div></div>Well then gaylio, I guess you just proved me right and you are the shining example of dumbing down that hondo was referring to.

eg8r </div></div> She and hondo are one in the same.they cannot understand basic logic.

JohnnyD
04-14-2010, 11:03 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ugotda7</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You always have been a good follower of your betters.
</div></div>Now imagine him as a teacher.

Stretch
04-15-2010, 12:45 AM
i see we're back to bashing a mans work. Oh well, when nothing else will do eh? St.

LWW
04-15-2010, 05:06 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JohnnyD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">She and hondo are one in the same.</div></div>

I have wondered about that.

LWW

hondo
04-15-2010, 05:24 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It seems like both sides are interested in trashing the other side. Definitely a horribe state of affairs.

eg8r </div></div>

True dat.

hondo
04-15-2010, 05:28 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stretch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i see we're back to bashing a mans work. Oh well, when nothing else will do eh? St. </div></div>


I just consider the source, Stretch.
johnny is a pimply-faced 19 year white kid who doesn't even have his GED and pretends to be a black retired engineer.

I kinda feel sorry for him.
So much hate in one so young. So sad.

LWW
04-15-2010, 05:30 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">johnny is a pimply-faced 19 year white kid who doesn't even have his GED and pretends to be a black retired engineer.</div></div>

I see we're back to bashing a mans work.

LWW

JohnnyD
04-15-2010, 03:55 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stretch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i see we're back to bashing a mans work. Oh well, when nothing else will do eh? St. </div></div>


I just consider the source, Stretch.
johnny is a pimply-faced 19 year white kid who doesn't even have his GED and pretends to be a black retired engineer.

I kinda feel sorry for him.
So much hate in one so young. So sad. </div></div>Too bad you weren't a REAL teacher.Cyber stalking again i see.

JohnnyD
04-15-2010, 03:57 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">johnny is a pimply-faced 19 year white kid who doesn't even have his GED and pretends to be a black retired engineer.</div></div>

I see we're back to bashing a mans work.

LWW </div></div>His bigotry continues LWW.He is a phoney,his posts prove it.

hondo
04-15-2010, 04:11 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JohnnyD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stretch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i see we're back to bashing a mans work. Oh well, when nothing else will do eh? St. </div></div>


I just consider the source, Stretch.
johnny is a pimply-faced 19 year white kid who doesn't even have his GED and pretends to be a black retired engineer.

I kinda feel sorry for him.
So much hate in one so young. So sad. </div></div>Too bad you weren't a REAL teacher.Cyber stalking again i see. </div></div>

"I see we're back to bashing a mans work."

LWW

JohnnyD
04-15-2010, 04:44 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JohnnyD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stretch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i see we're back to bashing a mans work. Oh well, when nothing else will do eh? St. </div></div>


I just consider the source, Stretch.
johnny is a pimply-faced 19 year white kid who doesn't even have his GED and pretends to be a black retired engineer.

I kinda feel sorry for him.
So much hate in one so young. So sad. </div></div>Too bad you weren't a REAL teacher.Cyber stalking again i see. </div></div>

"I see we're back to bashing a mans work."

LWW </div></div>Posing as a teacher AGAIN.

hondo
05-13-2010, 09:48 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JohnnyD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JohnnyD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stretch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i see we're back to bashing a mans work. Oh well, when nothing else will do eh? St. </div></div>


I just consider the source, Stretch.
johnny is a pimply-faced 19 year white kid who doesn't even have his GED and pretends to be a black retired engineer.

I kinda feel sorry for him.
So much hate in one so young. So sad. </div></div>Too bad you weren't a REAL teacher.Cyber stalking again i see. </div></div>

"I see we're back to bashing a mans work."

LWW </div></div>Posing as a teacher AGAIN. </div></div>


Bless you JohnnyD.

LWW

hondo
05-13-2010, 10:04 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JohnnyD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">johnny is a pimply-faced 19 year white kid who doesn't even have his GED and pretends to be a black retired engineer.</div></div>

I see we're back to bashing a mans work.

LWW </div></div>His bigotry continues LWW.He is a phoney,his posts prove it. </div></div>

Bless you JohnnyD.

LWW

LWW
05-14-2010, 03:13 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JohnnyD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">johnny is a pimply-faced 19 year white kid who doesn't even have his GED and pretends to be a black retired engineer.</div></div>

I see we're back to bashing a mans work.

LWW </div></div>His bigotry continues LWW.He is a phoney,his posts prove it. </div></div>

Bless you JohnnyD.

LWW </div></div>

Being that you assaulted him first and he simply made the point that you had made a bigoted remark ... I'm not sure what your issue is here?

LWW

hondo
05-14-2010, 04:53 AM
That whizz you hear is the point flying over your head.

LWW
05-14-2010, 05:07 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you see me continuing to post on other threads, you certainly
have a right to gloat in your usual smug way, Christian.

Fair enough? </div></div>

LWW

hondo
05-14-2010, 05:18 AM
Fair enough.