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Qtec
04-09-2010, 05:00 AM
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<span style='font-size: 17pt'>George W. Bush 'knew Guantánamo prisoners were innocent'</span>

George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld covered up that hundreds of innocent men were sent to the Guantánamo Bay prison camp because they feared that releasing them would harm the push for war in Iraq and the broader War on Terror, according to a new document obtained by The Times.

The accusations were made by Lawrence Wilkerson, a top aide to Colin Powell, the former Republican Secretary of State, in a signed declaration to support a lawsuit filed by a Guantánamo detainee. It is the first time that such allegations have been made by a senior member of the Bush Administration.

Colonel Wilkerson, who was General Powell’s chief of staff when he ran the State Department, was most critical of Mr Cheney and Mr Rumsfeld. He claimed that the former Vice-President and Defence Secretary knew that the majority of the initial 742 detainees sent to Guantánamo in 2002 were innocent but believed that it was “politically impossible to release them”.

General Powell, who left the Bush Administration in 2005, angry about the misinformation that he unwittingly gave the world when he made the case for the invasion of Iraq at the UN, is understood to have backed Colonel Wilkerson’s declaration.
Related Links

* Prisoner demands Guantánamo compensation

* Afghan prison may become the new Guantánamo

* Freed Guantánamo inmates rejoin al-Qaeda

Colonel Wilkerson, a long-time critic of the Bush Administration’s approach to counter-terrorism and the war in Iraq, claimed that the majority of detainees — children as young as 12 and men as old as 93, he said — never saw a US soldier when they were captured. He said that many were turned over by Afghans and Pakistanis for up to $5,000. Little or no evidence was produced as to why they had been taken.

He also claimed that one reason Mr Cheney and Mr Rumsfeld did not want the innocent detainees released was because “the detention efforts would be revealed as the incredibly confused operation that they were”. This was “not acceptable to the Administration and would have been severely detrimental to the leadership at DoD [Mr Rumsfeld at the Defence Department]”. </div></div>

link (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article7092435.ece)

Basically, they let innocent people suffer in prison to perpetuate a lie.

Q

Qtec
04-09-2010, 06:01 AM
<span style='font-size: 26pt'>The truth will out.</span>

Q

ugotda7
04-09-2010, 06:13 AM
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pooltchr
04-09-2010, 06:42 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">0
<span style='font-size: 17pt'>George W. Bush 'knew Guantánamo prisoners were innocent'</span>

George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld covered up that hundreds of innocent men were sent to the Guantánamo Bay prison camp because they feared that releasing them would harm the push for war in Iraq and the broader War on Terror, according to a new document obtained by The Times.

The <span style='font-size: 17pt'>accusations</span> were made by Lawrence Wilkerson, a top aide to Colin Powell, the former Republican Secretary of State, in a signed declaration to support a lawsuit filed by a Guantánamo detainee. It is the first time that such <span style='font-size: 17pt'>allegations</span> have been made by a senior member of the Bush Administration.

Colonel Wilkerson, who was General Powell’s chief of staff when he ran the State Department, was most critical of Mr Cheney and Mr Rumsfeld. He <span style='font-size: 17pt'>claimed</span> that the former Vice-President and Defence Secretary knew that the majority of the initial 742 detainees sent to Guantánamo in 2002 were innocent but <span style='font-size: 17pt'>believed</span> that it was “politically impossible to release them”.

General Powell, who left the Bush Administration in 2005, angry about the misinformation that he unwittingly gave the world when he made the case for the invasion of Iraq at the UN, is understood to have backed Colonel Wilkerson’s declaration.
Related Links

* Prisoner demands Guantánamo compensation

* Afghan prison may become the new Guantánamo

* <span style='font-size: 17pt'>Freed Guantánamo inmates rejoin al-Qaeda</span>

Colonel Wilkerson, <span style='font-size: 17pt'>a long-time critic of the Bush Administration</span>’s approach to counter-terrorism and the war in Iraq, <span style='font-size: 17pt'>claimed</span> that the majority of detainees — children as young as 12 and men as old as 93, he said — never saw a US soldier when they were captured. He said that many were turned over by Afghans and Pakistanis for up to $5,000. Little or no evidence was produced as to why they had been taken.

He also <span style='font-size: 17pt'>claimed</span> that one reason Mr Cheney and Mr Rumsfeld did not want the innocent detainees released was because “the detention efforts would be revealed as the incredibly confused operation that they were”. This was “not acceptable to the Administration and would have been severely detrimental to the leadership at DoD [Mr Rumsfeld at the Defence Department]”. </div></div>

link (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article7092435.ece)

Basically, they let innocent people suffer in prison to perpetuate a lie.

Q </div></div>

Sounds like one person't opinion...hardly enough to make the factual claim in your subject line. Especially considering that the person making the claims is a long time critic of the administration. Are their any facts to back up the claims?

Steve

Qtec
04-09-2010, 06:55 AM
We get it. YOU have NO brain.

Q

Qtec
04-09-2010, 06:57 AM
I see. This new info goes against your fantasies so lets just dismiss it.

Good idea.

Q......what's new?

pooltchr
04-09-2010, 07:08 AM
I didn't dismiss anything...I simply asked if you had any facts that backed up the opinion. You obviously don't.

Steve

Qtec
04-09-2010, 07:40 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">90% of Gitmo prisoners innocent:-Lawrence B. Wilkerson deputy to Colin Powell
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A senior member of the Bush administration, as well as what the Obama White House press secretary calls the “Republican cabal” has just defected.

Lifelong Republican, and chief of staff to former Secretary of State, General Colin Powell, <span style='font-size: 20pt'>Lawrence B. Wilkerson, stepped forward in a blog post on Tuesday to say not only that there are still innocent people being held at the detention camp at Guantanamo Bay, not only that we’ve been holding innocent people there for more than six years, but that the U.S. government has known all along that they pose no risk to national security.</span>

“What I saw was a cabal between the vice president of the United States, Richard Cheney, and the secretary of defense, Donald Rumsfeld, on critical issues that made decisions that the bureaucracy did not know were being made,” Mr. Wilkerson said in a well-publicized speech at the New America Foundation in October. “And you’ve got a president who is not versed in international relations and not too much interested in them either,” he added in the speech. Ex-Powell Aide Moves From Insider to Apostate by Steven R. Weisman

Wilkerson told the Associated Press that he was informed by briefings, and military commanders, that big brass knew those captured had nothing to do with Al Qaeda, or the so-called war on terror, but held them anyway as information-gathering tools for a so-called “mosaic” of intelligence.

* <span style='font-size: 20pt'>the reality that many of the detainees were innocent of any substantial wrongdoing, had little intelligence value, and should be immediately released.</span>
* According to Wilkerson, fewer than 10% of the 240, or 24 men, who remain at the detention camp, in Cuba, can be considered a security risk </div></div>

Its funny,
When<span style='font-size: 20pt'> O'Keefe the pimp brought out his false doctored videos</span> about ACORN you believed them immediately. Now I show proof from someone REALLY in the know you immediately disbelieve it!

Can you explain this?

Q

pooltchr
04-09-2010, 08:55 AM
Easy...I had video evidence of one activity...and the ramblings of a blogger to suggest another activity.

Steve

sack316
04-09-2010, 10:54 AM
some quote in there about 90% of the prisoners are innocent.

So I presume Obama has released 90% of the prisoners there due to this 'factual knowledge'?

Sack

hondo
04-09-2010, 01:14 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We get it. YOU have NO brain.

Q </div></div>

Don't feed the trolls.

LWW
04-09-2010, 01:58 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We get it. YOU have NO brain.

Q </div></div>

Don't feed the trolls. </div></div>

At 285 lbs you could stand to lose a little.

LWW

LAMas
04-09-2010, 04:09 PM
From The Times January 5, 2010

Freed Guantánamo inmates are heading for Yemen to join al-Qaeda fight

At least a dozen former Guantánamo Bay inmates have rejoined al-Qaeda to fight in Yemen, The Times has learnt, amid growing concern over the ability of the country’s Government to accept almost 100 more former inmates from the detention centre.

The Obama Administration promised to close the Guantánamo facility by January 22, a deadline that it will be unable to meet. The 91 Yemeni prisoners in Guantánamo make up the largest national contingent among the 198 being held.

Six prisoners were returned to Yemen last month. After the Christmas Day bomb plot in Detroit, US officials are increasingly concerned that the country is becoming a hot-bed of terrorism. Eleven of the former inmates known to have rejoined al-Qaeda in Yemen were born in Saudi Arabia. The organisation merged its Saudi and Yemeni offshoots last year.

The country’s mountainous terrain, poverty and lawless tribal society make it, in the opinion of many analysts, a close match for Afghanistan as a new terrorist haven.

Hillary Clinton, the US Secretary of State, voiced concern about the growing strength of al-Qaeda in Yemen. “Obviously, we see global implications from the war in Yemen and the ongoing efforts by al-Qaeda in Yemen to use it as a base for terrorist attacks far beyond the region,” she said.

A Yemeni, Hani Abdo Shaalan, who was released from Guantánamo in 2007, was killed in an airstrike on December 17, the Yemeni Government reported last week. The deputy head of al-Qaeda in the country is Said Ali al-Shihri, 36, who was released in 2007. Ibrahim Suleiman al-Rubaish, who was released in 2006, is a prominent ideologue featured on Yemeni al-Qaeda websites.

Geoff Morrell, the spokesman for the Pentagon, said: “This is a large question that goes beyond the issue of transferring detainees. The bulk of the remaining detainees are from Yemen and that has been the case for a long time. We are trying to work with the Yemeni Government on this.”

The US Government issued figures in May showing that 74 of the 530 detainees in Guantánamo were suspected or known to have returned to terrorist activity since their release. They included the commander of the Taleban in Helmand province, Mullah Zakir, whom the British Chief of the Defence Staff, Sir Jock Stirrup, called “a key and seemingly effective tactical leader”. Among others who returned to terrorism was Abdullah Saleh al-Ajmi, a Kuwaiti who killed six Iraqis in Mosul in 2008.

The number believed to have “returned to the fight” in the May 2009 estimate was double that of a US estimate from June 2008. US officials acknowledged that more detainees were known to have reoffended since, but the number has been classified.

“There is a historic trend and it continues. I will only say that we have said there is a trend, we are aware of it, there is no denying the trend and we are doing our best to deal with this reality,” Mr Morrell said.

Officials said that a higher proportion of those still being held were likely to return to terrorism because they were considered more of a security threat than those selected in the early stages of the release programme....

LWW
04-09-2010, 04:17 PM
BUT-BUT-BUT-BUT A M-M-M-MOONBAT SAID THEY WERE INNOCENT!!!!

LWW

Gayle in MD
04-10-2010, 07:35 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 26pt'>The truth will out.</span>

Q </div></div>

Yes, and the charge is supported by atleat a dozen former intelligence agents who resigned in protest of the Bush Administrations illegal activities.

Colin Powell stated quite clearly that his appearance before the U.N. was a black mark on his career.

Patrich Fitzgerald stated quite clearly that there was a cloud over the Vice President's office after they outed a covert agent.

Rove deep sixed over five million e-mails, and Cheney had a suspicious fire in his office, the cause of which I have never found, anywhere.

George Bush did everything he could do and say to lead AMericans into fearing that Saddam was connected to 9/11.

Bush had to remove the fourteen words from his SOTU address, because they were lies.

Libby was convicted on five charges of lying and obstruction of justice.

Numerous award winnning journalists wrote books which proved beyond a shadow of a doubt, that Bush lied us into an illegal war in Iraq, and used 9/11 to further his preconceived plan to settle his father's bad rep[utation with the Neocons for leaving Saddam in place, and because Saddam threatened to have his father asassinated.

Now over four thousand four hundred young Americans are dead, and over forty thousand suffering wioth permanent injuries, after Bush borrowed this country into a debt pit, and failed to oversee the financial sector, causing a near complete collapse of the economy, and there were NO WMD's IN IRAQ! NO CONNECTION TO AL QAEDA, NO CONNECTIONS TO 9/11.

Does anyone still believe anything that comes from Bush, Cheney, Rove, Wolfowitz, Card, Ledeen, Liz Cheney, Sara Palin, Glen Beck, Rush Limpballs, etc., etc.,

ONLY THE TERMINALLY STUPID STILL ARGUE WITH THE FACTS WHICH HAVE BEEN OUT THERE FOR YEARS, AND STILL ACCUMULATING!

Now, they pretend they didn't like Bush after all....
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Then they get on here and make fun of all of the Liberals they were attacking for eight years when we were telling them the facts for eight years!

LMAO!

What a crock!

g.

Gayle in MD
04-10-2010, 08:21 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">90% of Gitmo prisoners innocent:-Lawrence B. Wilkerson deputy to Colin Powell
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A senior member of the Bush administration, as well as what the Obama White House press secretary calls the “Republican cabal” has just defected.

Lifelong Republican, and chief of staff to former Secretary of State, General Colin Powell, <span style='font-size: 20pt'>Lawrence B. Wilkerson, stepped forward in a blog post on Tuesday to say not only that there are still innocent people being held at the detention camp at Guantanamo Bay, not only that we’ve been holding innocent people there for more than six years, but that the U.S. government has known all along that they pose no risk to national security.</span>

“What I saw was a cabal between the vice president of the United States, Richard Cheney, and the secretary of defense, Donald Rumsfeld, on critical issues that made decisions that the bureaucracy did not know were being made,” Mr. Wilkerson said in a well-publicized speech at the New America Foundation in October. “And you’ve got a president who is not versed in international relations and not too much interested in them either,” he added in the speech. Ex-Powell Aide Moves From Insider to Apostate by Steven R. Weisman

Wilkerson told the Associated Press that he was informed by briefings, and military commanders, that big brass knew those captured had nothing to do with Al Qaeda, or the so-called war on terror, but held them anyway as information-gathering tools for a so-called “mosaic” of intelligence.

* <span style='font-size: 20pt'>the reality that many of the detainees were innocent of any substantial wrongdoing, had little intelligence value, and should be immediately released.</span>
* According to Wilkerson, fewer than 10% of the 240, or 24 men, who remain at the detention camp, in Cuba, can be considered a security risk </div></div>

Its funny,
When<span style='font-size: 20pt'> O'Keefe the pimp brought out his false doctored videos</span> about ACORN you believed them immediately. Now I show proof from someone REALLY in the know you immediately disbelieve it!

Can you explain this?

Q

</div></div>

Blind, partisan denials.

We already knew that the Bush Administration paid thugs to turn people in, without any follow up at all on the individuals they imprisoned.

Never before has this country prosecuted such a totally F-ed up campaign! The Iraq and Afghanistan efforts were disastrous. We are still trying to undo the mess made by Bush et al, and it has practically destroyed the country, and now the right on here who defended it all, wants PROOF!


BWA HA HA HA HA...pahleeeze! Their ignorance knows no bounds. And, oh yes, ....and during Bush's Regime, they were writing....

"The debts don't matter."

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Under
04-10-2010, 08:29 AM
Let me point out the obvious in this logic free zone.

Those housed nicely at Guantanamo are illegal enemy combatants.
Like in not conforming to Geneva Convention on War.

Oh, you already knew that.

pooltchr
04-10-2010, 09:47 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Under</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Oh, you already knew that. </div></div>

Actually, no, she probably didn't. That kind of knowledge would require some actual independent thinking, rather than relying on whatever Arianna decides she should know.

Steve

Chilled
04-10-2010, 10:15 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Under</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Let me point out the obvious in this logic free zone.

Those housed nicely at Guantanamo are illegal enemy combatants.
Like in not conforming to Geneva Convention on War.

Oh, you already knew that. </div></div>

Not at all. In this respect the salient point of what Colonel Wilkerson (apparently supported by Colin Powell) has alleged is that there were some people sent to Guantanamo and some still in Guantanamo who were not combatants of any sort, legal or illegal. Some of them are patsies who were not playing any part at all. Informants simply made up stories about them and collected the money offered. This isn't a secret, it's been common knowledge for years.

Anyone who thinks that no completely innocent persons were ever informed upon and sent to Guantanamo on the strength of zero evidence other than the say so of somebody holding out his hand for money offered is naive to the point of brain death.

The money for info was a fairly good idea with an inevitable down side, especially when dealing with arabs. Surprised the downside didn't come home to roost earlier. This should be dealt with in an honest manner and not by shooting the messenger Colonel W. The policy can still be defended whilst admitting errors.

Qtec
04-10-2010, 10:02 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Those housed nicely at Guantanamo are <u>illegal</u> enemy combatants. </div></div>

As opposed to '<u>legal</u> enemy combatants'?

Q

ugotda7
04-11-2010, 02:24 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Those housed nicely at Guantanamo are <u>illegal</u> enemy combatants. </div></div>

As opposed to '<u>legal</u> enemy combatants'?

Q </div></div>


Whooooooooooooooooooooossssshhhhhhhhhh - the sound of the point flying over your head.

LWW
04-11-2010, 04:47 AM
Careful Ugot ... you have entered a logic free zone.

LWW

eg8r
04-11-2010, 08:43 PM
So the trials for all these guys are over and they have all been sent home with a giant collective "sorry" from the US?

Why is it that you believe "accusations" only if they fit your agenda?

eg8r

Qtec
04-11-2010, 09:48 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So the trials for all these guys are over and they have all been sent home with a giant collective "sorry" from the US?

Why is it that you believe "accusations" only if they fit your agenda?

eg8r </div></div>

This is not about the 90% innocent who are in Gitmo. Its about <span style='font-size: 14pt'>the FACT </span>that the Bush admin knew it and would rather keep innocent men in jail than admit their mistakes.

To me that's evil.

Q

sack316
04-12-2010, 04:19 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
This is not about the 90% innocent who are in Gitmo. Its about <span style='font-size: 14pt'>the FACT </span>that the Bush admin knew it and would rather keep innocent men in jail than admit their mistakes.

To me that's evil.

Q </div></div>

So they are all freed now?

Sack

eg8r
04-12-2010, 12:12 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Its about the FACT that the Bush admin knew it and would rather keep innocent men in jail than admit their mistakes.
</div></div>It is only a fact in your fantasy fairy tale brain. In reality it is only an accusation. Learn the difference.

eg8r

hondo
04-13-2010, 03:19 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ugotda7</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Those housed nicely at Guantanamo are <u>illegal</u> enemy combatants. </div></div>

As opposed to '<u>legal</u> enemy combatants'?

Q </div></div>


Whooooooooooooooooooooossssshhhhhhhhhh - the sound of the point flying over your head. </div></div>


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Lib Tip # 2: It is best to end a debate before it starts when a conservative begins to assert facts which have already been proven to be lies. Since they only watch Fox News, and listen to irrational zealots like Beck and Limpballs, don't expect anything rational to come from their opinions. End the debate, and then expect to be personally attacked, non stop into infinity.


Lib Tip # 3: Remember taht morals have been a thing of the past for Conservatives for many years. Point to the many pedophiles, closeted gays who stay in the closet, while purporting "Family Values" and vote against gay rights, then add to that all of the convicted felons and marital falanderers from the "Family Values" Christian Conservatives. Point out the pedophilia of the Catholic Church, and the child abuse at Christian Bible School Camps, After which, You can expect to be personally attacked.


Lib Tip # 4: Exploit the Weakest Link: Define your opponent by his weakest link. If 10,000 Tea Partiers hold a rally, amid racist signs which were displayed in front of Republican Leaders who applauded them right in front of the cameras, on the capital steps. your point can be proven just by providing the link to the many videos which prove your point.

Additionally, you can provide the links to the racist, angry mobs that began way back during the campaign. If they still persist, and call you a liar, which is their habit when proven wrong, you might consider refering them to the Southern Poverty Law Center, where reams of factual information is provided and which includes links to sources such as the FBI, and the Homeland Security Department, also warning of the dangers currently being displayed by the many numerous threats of violence, and multiple radical groups, growing within the conservative Tea Parties. This will also likely bring on another personal attack.


Lib Tip # 5: Be alert for their right-wing talking points. That is all that they have, so expect them to use them frequently. Remember, these people voted twice for George Bush, the worst president in history, who said that the Constitution was just a piece of paper, during his tenure, while he broke the Geneva Conventions, was slapped down three times by the Supreme Court for unconstitutional behavior, illegally spied on Americans, fomented torture and lied the country into a war. Don't expect Conservatives who applaud duntzes like Sara Palin, and George Bush, to have any appreciation for the REAL news of the day. Their goal is to avoid reality, so be careful to illimate them early on, from any attempt at real debate. Expect continued personal attacks, even years after you have ended any interaction.

Lib Tip # 6: Remember, these people hate their government, as they were brainwashed to do many years ago, by an actor who pretended to have a brain, so don't expect any real patriotism, or empathy for their fellow Americans. They may call themselves Christians, but in fact, they are greedy, cannot stand to think that any of their tax dollars might help another American, and only approve of seeing their taxes be used to kill people on the other side of the world, or fill the pockets of the walthy. so remember, they are truly not Christians, at all. Expect to be personally attacked when you point out their hisotrical documented lack of appreciation for any humanitarian endeavors.

Lib Tip # 7: Define America by it’s Errors, not its Successes: This is what they love, since they hate their government. Expect to be personally attacked regardless, since attack mode is their only debating skill.

Taking a cue from Lib Tip # 4, It is important to characterize America by it’s current goals and issues, since their ability to grasp the true historical information is unheard of. It is critical that you completely overlook all the bad moves America has made, and the manner in which Republicans supported and propped up one dictatorship after another. In fact, you must go to some lengths to divert people from the notion that because of Republican policies, particularly those of both Bush administrations, and Reagan's administration, the world is a far more dangerous, hostile, sad place. It is pointless to address these facts, since conservatives cannot grasp them.

Even pointing out the bad treatment of Indians and Slaves, will be denied by Conservatives, since they still think the White Man deserves to have slaves, and actually have Governors on the scene, currently, who praise the Confederacy, without a mention of slavery at all. Expect to be personally attacked after you do this...and don't bother mentioning how many Americans have been killed by the same Weapons of Mass Destruction which Conservatives have spread around the world for money for decades.

Lib Tip # 8: Blame talk radio and FOX news for fanning hate and racism: Because they are in fact the Conservative's main source of unamerican rheotric and lies. Avoid at all costs the fact that both talk radio and FOX news would not be able to spread around all theuir propaganda, if their King Communist, Ronald Reagan, hadn't removed all semblence of journalistic integrity, and standards. Pointing out that Fox's wide audience is linked to the same radical element, and growing irrational RW radical threat which our law enforcement is so concerned about, or the fact that some of the Fox Propagandists, and irrational RW pundits, have actually been linked to murders, will only bring about an example of that very irrational thinking and in some cases, threats of violence, from the Conservative with whom you have attempted to reason. Above all, NEVER try rational reasoning with a propagandized Conservative. They are beyond hope. Expect to be personally attacked, if you dare to maintain your own opinion.

Lib Tip # 9: Government is Good: Insist that appropriate government intervention is a good thing, and is included in the Founder's intentions.

Assert that it is our patriotic duty to pay taxes in spite of the fact that their beloved wealthy corporate fascist pigs, don't pay them. Nothing makes a Conservative more angry than when you point out that the wealthy do not pay their fair share of taxes, since they still believe in the already proven ridiculous theory of Trickle Down Economics.

Also, when debating with a conservative, don't expect any knowledge of economics in general, since they have been known to disregard even the most basic principles adn think that gross debt growth under Republcian control, is not a concern, at all. They ahve been known to defend this absurdity even in the face of complete economic collapse. Expect to be personally attacked when you point this out.


Lib Tip # 10: Send them to this web address http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/01/09/bush-on-jobs-the-worst-track-record-on-record/tab/article/

which will prove all their ridiculous asssertions about Reagan's economic achievements to be just another of their fantasies. Bill Clinton created the best economy in recent history. Created more jobs than Both Bush's combined, and most Republicans. Tell them that Jimmy Carter produced more jobs than either W. or his father, combined. Expect to be attacked, personally, when you point out this fact.



And at last, and this is probably the best advice of all, Don't bother debating with Conservatives, at all. They are generally nasty people which you would be far better off avoiding entirely. Who want's to argue needlessly with brick headed idiots who think that Sara Palin is a genius, or that a man can live inside of a whale

ugotda7
04-14-2010, 12:06 AM
A mind continues to be a terrible thing to waste.

JohnnyD
04-14-2010, 12:32 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ugotda7</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Those housed nicely at Guantanamo are <u>illegal</u> enemy combatants. </div></div>

As opposed to '<u>legal</u> enemy combatants'?

Q </div></div>


Whooooooooooooooooooooossssshhhhhhhhhh - the sound of the point flying over your head. </div></div>


Liberal Guide to Debating Conservatives


Liberals have long since learned that debating Conservatives can be a challenging endeavor, since Conservatives are generally misinformed, and twist the truth beyond recognition. Present them with proven facts, after which you can expect to be personally attacked.

Not to worry. The following are several other tips Liberals can use right away to begin defeating Conservatives in every debate, every time.

Lib Tip # 1: Point out the fact that a Black face at a Conservative Convention is almost unheard of. Then point to the history of Southern White Racists, and link those racist attitudes with the many currently serving conservatives on Capital Hill, who applaud the racist signs used by their constituents. At last, remind them that Michael Steele, when exposed for his expensive spending of contributors money, pulled the race card. After pointing to this fact, you can expect to be personally attacked.


Lib Tip # 2: It is best to end a debate before it starts when a conservative begins to assert facts which have already been proven to be lies. Since they only watch Fox News, and listen to irrational zealots like Beck and Limpballs, don't expect anything rational to come from their opinions. End the debate, and then expect to be personally attacked, non stop into infinity.


Lib Tip # 3: Remember taht morals have been a thing of the past for Conservatives for many years. Point to the many pedophiles, closeted gays who stay in the closet, while purporting "Family Values" and vote against gay rights, then add to that all of the convicted felons and marital falanderers from the "Family Values" Christian Conservatives. Point out the pedophilia of the Catholic Church, and the child abuse at Christian Bible School Camps, After which, You can expect to be personally attacked.


Lib Tip # 4: Exploit the Weakest Link: Define your opponent by his weakest link. If 10,000 Tea Partiers hold a rally, amid racist signs which were displayed in front of Republican Leaders who applauded them right in front of the cameras, on the capital steps. your point can be proven just by providing the link to the many videos which prove your point.

Additionally, you can provide the links to the racist, angry mobs that began way back during the campaign. If they still persist, and call you a liar, which is their habit when proven wrong, you might consider refering them to the Southern Poverty Law Center, where reams of factual information is provided and which includes links to sources such as the FBI, and the Homeland Security Department, also warning of the dangers currently being displayed by the many numerous threats of violence, and multiple radical groups, growing within the conservative Tea Parties. This will also likely bring on another personal attack.


Lib Tip # 5: Be alert for their right-wing talking points. That is all that they have, so expect them to use them frequently. Remember, these people voted twice for George Bush, the worst president in history, who said that the Constitution was just a piece of paper, during his tenure, while he broke the Geneva Conventions, was slapped down three times by the Supreme Court for unconstitutional behavior, illegally spied on Americans, fomented torture and lied the country into a war. Don't expect Conservatives who applaud duntzes like Sara Palin, and George Bush, to have any appreciation for the REAL news of the day. Their goal is to avoid reality, so be careful to illimate them early on, from any attempt at real debate. Expect continued personal attacks, even years after you have ended any interaction.

Lib Tip # 6: Remember, these people hate their government, as they were brainwashed to do many years ago, by an actor who pretended to have a brain, so don't expect any real patriotism, or empathy for their fellow Americans. They may call themselves Christians, but in fact, they are greedy, cannot stand to think that any of their tax dollars might help another American, and only approve of seeing their taxes be used to kill people on the other side of the world, or fill the pockets of the walthy. so remember, they are truly not Christians, at all. Expect to be personally attacked when you point out their hisotrical documented lack of appreciation for any humanitarian endeavors.

Lib Tip # 7: Define America by it’s Errors, not its Successes: This is what they love, since they hate their government. Expect to be personally attacked regardless, since attack mode is their only debating skill.

Taking a cue from Lib Tip # 4, It is important to characterize America by it’s current goals and issues, since their ability to grasp the true historical information is unheard of. It is critical that you completely overlook all the bad moves America has made, and the manner in which Republicans supported and propped up one dictatorship after another. In fact, you must go to some lengths to divert people from the notion that because of Republican policies, particularly those of both Bush administrations, and Reagan's administration, the world is a far more dangerous, hostile, sad place. It is pointless to address these facts, since conservatives cannot grasp them.

Even pointing out the bad treatment of Indians and Slaves, will be denied by Conservatives, since they still think the White Man deserves to have slaves, and actually have Governors on the scene, currently, who praise the Confederacy, without a mention of slavery at all. Expect to be personally attacked after you do this...and don't bother mentioning how many Americans have been killed by the same Weapons of Mass Destruction which Conservatives have spread around the world for money for decades.

Lib Tip # 8: Blame talk radio and FOX news for fanning hate and racism: Because they are in fact the Conservative's main source of unamerican rheotric and lies. Avoid at all costs the fact that both talk radio and FOX news would not be able to spread around all theuir propaganda, if their King Communist, Ronald Reagan, hadn't removed all semblence of journalistic integrity, and standards. Pointing out that Fox's wide audience is linked to the same radical element, and growing irrational RW radical threat which our law enforcement is so concerned about, or the fact that some of the Fox Propagandists, and irrational RW pundits, have actually been linked to murders, will only bring about an example of that very irrational thinking and in some cases, threats of violence, from the Conservative with whom you have attempted to reason. Above all, NEVER try rational reasoning with a propagandized Conservative. They are beyond hope. Expect to be personally attacked, if you dare to maintain your own opinion.

Lib Tip # 9: Government is Good: Insist that appropriate government intervention is a good thing, and is included in the Founder's intentions.

Assert that it is our patriotic duty to pay taxes in spite of the fact that their beloved wealthy corporate fascist pigs, don't pay them. Nothing makes a Conservative more angry than when you point out that the wealthy do not pay their fair share of taxes, since they still believe in the already proven ridiculous theory of Trickle Down Economics.

Also, when debating with a conservative, don't expect any knowledge of economics in general, since they have been known to disregard even the most basic principles adn think that gross debt growth under Republcian control, is not a concern, at all. They ahve been known to defend this absurdity even in the face of complete economic collapse. Expect to be personally attacked when you point this out.


Lib Tip # 10: Send them to this web address http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/01/09/bush-on-jobs-the-worst-track-record-on-record/tab/article/

which will prove all their ridiculous asssertions about Reagan's economic achievements to be just another of their fantasies. Bill Clinton created the best economy in recent history. Created more jobs than Both Bush's combined, and most Republicans. Tell them that Jimmy Carter produced more jobs than either W. or his father, combined. Expect to be attacked, personally, when you point out this fact.



And at last, and this is probably the best advice of all, Don't bother debating with Conservatives, at all. They are generally nasty people which you would be far better off avoiding entirely. Who want's to argue needlessly with brick headed idiots who think that Sara Palin is a genius, or that a man can live inside of a whale


</div></div> No way that you were a teacher.Just no way.

sack316
04-14-2010, 04:18 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sack316</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
So they are all freed now?

Sack </div></div>

Now third time asking this in the thread. Still no answer (?)

Sack

hondo
04-14-2010, 05:59 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ugotda7</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A mind continues to be a terrible thing to waste. </div></div>


Originally Posted By: LWW: "I apologize to the forum."

ugotda7
04-14-2010, 06:00 AM
You always have been a good follower of your betters.

hondo
04-14-2010, 06:00 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JohnnyD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ugotda7</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Those housed nicely at Guantanamo are <u>illegal</u> enemy combatants. </div></div>

As opposed to '<u>legal</u> enemy combatants'?

Q </div></div>


Whooooooooooooooooooooossssshhhhhhhhhh - the sound of the point flying over your head. </div></div>


Liberal Guide to Debating Conservatives


Liberals have long since learned that debating Conservatives can be a challenging endeavor, since Conservatives are generally misinformed, and twist the truth beyond recognition. Present them with proven facts, after which you can expect to be personally attacked.

Not to worry. The following are several other tips Liberals can use right away to begin defeating Conservatives in every debate, every time.

Lib Tip # 1: Point out the fact that a Black face at a Conservative Convention is almost unheard of. Then point to the history of Southern White Racists, and link those racist attitudes with the many currently serving conservatives on Capital Hill, who applaud the racist signs used by their constituents. At last, remind them that Michael Steele, when exposed for his expensive spending of contributors money, pulled the race card. After pointing to this fact, you can expect to be personally attacked.


Lib Tip # 2: It is best to end a debate before it starts when a conservative begins to assert facts which have already been proven to be lies. Since they only watch Fox News, and listen to irrational zealots like Beck and Limpballs, don't expect anything rational to come from their opinions. End the debate, and then expect to be personally attacked, non stop into infinity.


Lib Tip # 3: Remember taht morals have been a thing of the past for Conservatives for many years. Point to the many pedophiles, closeted gays who stay in the closet, while purporting "Family Values" and vote against gay rights, then add to that all of the convicted felons and marital falanderers from the "Family Values" Christian Conservatives. Point out the pedophilia of the Catholic Church, and the child abuse at Christian Bible School Camps, After which, You can expect to be personally attacked.


Lib Tip # 4: Exploit the Weakest Link: Define your opponent by his weakest link. If 10,000 Tea Partiers hold a rally, amid racist signs which were displayed in front of Republican Leaders who applauded them right in front of the cameras, on the capital steps. your point can be proven just by providing the link to the many videos which prove your point.

Additionally, you can provide the links to the racist, angry mobs that began way back during the campaign. If they still persist, and call you a liar, which is their habit when proven wrong, you might consider refering them to the Southern Poverty Law Center, where reams of factual information is provided and which includes links to sources such as the FBI, and the Homeland Security Department, also warning of the dangers currently being displayed by the many numerous threats of violence, and multiple radical groups, growing within the conservative Tea Parties. This will also likely bring on another personal attack.


Lib Tip # 5: Be alert for their right-wing talking points. That is all that they have, so expect them to use them frequently. Remember, these people voted twice for George Bush, the worst president in history, who said that the Constitution was just a piece of paper, during his tenure, while he broke the Geneva Conventions, was slapped down three times by the Supreme Court for unconstitutional behavior, illegally spied on Americans, fomented torture and lied the country into a war. Don't expect Conservatives who applaud duntzes like Sara Palin, and George Bush, to have any appreciation for the REAL news of the day. Their goal is to avoid reality, so be careful to illimate them early on, from any attempt at real debate. Expect continued personal attacks, even years after you have ended any interaction.

Lib Tip # 6: Remember, these people hate their government, as they were brainwashed to do many years ago, by an actor who pretended to have a brain, so don't expect any real patriotism, or empathy for their fellow Americans. They may call themselves Christians, but in fact, they are greedy, cannot stand to think that any of their tax dollars might help another American, and only approve of seeing their taxes be used to kill people on the other side of the world, or fill the pockets of the walthy. so remember, they are truly not Christians, at all. Expect to be personally attacked when you point out their hisotrical documented lack of appreciation for any humanitarian endeavors.

Lib Tip # 7: Define America by it’s Errors, not its Successes: This is what they love, since they hate their government. Expect to be personally attacked regardless, since attack mode is their only debating skill.

Taking a cue from Lib Tip # 4, It is important to characterize America by it’s current goals and issues, since their ability to grasp the true historical information is unheard of. It is critical that you completely overlook all the bad moves America has made, and the manner in which Republicans supported and propped up one dictatorship after another. In fact, you must go to some lengths to divert people from the notion that because of Republican policies, particularly those of both Bush administrations, and Reagan's administration, the world is a far more dangerous, hostile, sad place. It is pointless to address these facts, since conservatives cannot grasp them.

Even pointing out the bad treatment of Indians and Slaves, will be denied by Conservatives, since they still think the White Man deserves to have slaves, and actually have Governors on the scene, currently, who praise the Confederacy, without a mention of slavery at all. Expect to be personally attacked after you do this...and don't bother mentioning how many Americans have been killed by the same Weapons of Mass Destruction which Conservatives have spread around the world for money for decades.

Lib Tip # 8: Blame talk radio and FOX news for fanning hate and racism: Because they are in fact the Conservative's main source of unamerican rheotric and lies. Avoid at all costs the fact that both talk radio and FOX news would not be able to spread around all theuir propaganda, if their King Communist, Ronald Reagan, hadn't removed all semblence of journalistic integrity, and standards. Pointing out that Fox's wide audience is linked to the same radical element, and growing irrational RW radical threat which our law enforcement is so concerned about, or the fact that some of the Fox Propagandists, and irrational RW pundits, have actually been linked to murders, will only bring about an example of that very irrational thinking and in some cases, threats of violence, from the Conservative with whom you have attempted to reason. Above all, NEVER try rational reasoning with a propagandized Conservative. They are beyond hope. Expect to be personally attacked, if you dare to maintain your own opinion.

Lib Tip # 9: Government is Good: Insist that appropriate government intervention is a good thing, and is included in the Founder's intentions.

Assert that it is our patriotic duty to pay taxes in spite of the fact that their beloved wealthy corporate fascist pigs, don't pay them. Nothing makes a Conservative more angry than when you point out that the wealthy do not pay their fair share of taxes, since they still believe in the already proven ridiculous theory of Trickle Down Economics.

Also, when debating with a conservative, don't expect any knowledge of economics in general, since they have been known to disregard even the most basic principles adn think that gross debt growth under Republcian control, is not a concern, at all. They ahve been known to defend this absurdity even in the face of complete economic collapse. Expect to be personally attacked when you point this out.


Lib Tip # 10: Send them to this web address http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/01/09/bush-on-jobs-the-worst-track-record-on-record/tab/article/

which will prove all their ridiculous asssertions about Reagan's economic achievements to be just another of their fantasies. Bill Clinton created the best economy in recent history. Created more jobs than Both Bush's combined, and most Republicans. Tell them that Jimmy Carter produced more jobs than either W. or his father, combined. Expect to be attacked, personally, when you point out this fact.



And at last, and this is probably the best advice of all, Don't bother debating with Conservatives, at all. They are generally nasty people which you would be far better off avoiding entirely. Who want's to argue needlessly with brick headed idiots who think that Sara Palin is a genius, or that a man can live inside of a whale


</div></div> No way that you were a teacher.Just no way. </div></div>

Originally Posted By: LWW: "I apologize to the forum."

ugotda7
04-14-2010, 06:01 AM
Still a good follower of your betters.

Gayle in MD
04-14-2010, 06:21 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sack316</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sack316</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
So they are all freed now?

Sack </div></div>

Now third time asking this in the thread. Still no answer (?)

Sack </div></div>

Here is an insufficient answer, because I really do not know, but I can assure you, that we would have been far better off had the Bush administration not practiced such a helter skelter, inefficient practice, ie. prisoners for cash, in the first place.

Releasing these prisoners, now, would naturally be a very difficult thing to accomplish, given the are likely harboring very bad feelings about the USA, after being tortured, possibly, and mistreated, to say the least, as has been proven they were.

Now, as usual, this president must deal with yet another F-ed up Bush policy, and try to figure out a way to do so without releasing formerly innocent people, who now have a grudge against our country, and who are currently more than likely not so fond of the USA, thanks to the F-ed up policies of Bush and Cheney, Bush's puppet master.

I believe that it is logical to assume that although this president's goal is to release the innocent, it is something that will take a good deal of time, given that he does not want to be responsible for any tragedies that could occur, due to Bush's irresponsible decisions, which has already occured in Bush's case, since Bush released the terrorist who trained that last guy who tried to blow up a plane, the Underwear bomber.....

So I'd say the important question might be, what should be done about Bush and Cheney, having broken the Geneva Conventions. Having taken in prisoners, kept them for years, when they had no proof whatsoever, that any of them were enemy combatants, and in fact, most were not, wouldn't it be reasonable to think that Bush/Cheney/ et al, should have to answer for this illegal practice, and the dangerous mess they created, and left behind, while pretending to have kept America safe????

Logical????

G.

Gayle in MD
04-14-2010, 06:24 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ugotda7</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Still a good follower of your betters.
</div></div>

Yes you are. And no match for a person like Hondo, who is a thinker, not a follower. Bah Bah Bah...have you any wool????

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Liberal Guide to Debating Conservatives


Liberals have long since learned that debating Conservatives can be a challenging endeavor, since Conservatives are generally misinformed, and twist the truth beyond recognition. Present them with proven facts, after which you can expect to be personally attacked.

Not to worry. The following are several other tips Liberals can use right away to begin defeating Conservatives in every debate, every time.

Lib Tip # 1: Point out the fact that a Black face at a Conservative Convention is almost unheard of. Then point to the history of Southern White Racists, and link those racist attitudes with the many currently serving conservatives on Capital Hill, who applaud the racist signs used by their constituents. At last, remind them that Michael Steele, when exposed for his expensive spending of contributors money, pulled the race card. After pointing to this fact, you can expect to be personally attacked.


Lib Tip # 2: It is best to end a debate before it starts when a conservative begins to assert facts which have already been proven to be lies. Since they only watch Fox News, and listen to irrational zealots like Beck and Limpballs, don't expect anything rational to come from their opinions. End the debate, and then expect to be personally attacked, non stop into infinity.


Lib Tip # 3: Remember taht morals have been a thing of the past for Conservatives for many years. Point to the many pedophiles, closeted gays who stay in the closet, while purporting "Family Values" and vote against gay rights, then add to that all of the convicted felons and marital falanderers from the "Family Values" Christian Conservatives. Point out the pedophilia of the Catholic Church, and the child abuse at Christian Bible School Camps, After which, You can expect to be personally attacked.


Lib Tip # 4: Exploit the Weakest Link: Define your opponent by his weakest link. If 10,000 Tea Partiers hold a rally, amid racist signs which were displayed in front of Republican Leaders who applauded them right in front of the cameras, on the capital steps. your point can be proven just by providing the link to the many videos which prove your point.

Additionally, you can provide the links to the racist, angry mobs that began way back during the campaign. If they still persist, and call you a liar, which is their habit when proven wrong, you might consider refering them to the Southern Poverty Law Center, where reams of factual information is provided and which includes links to sources such as the FBI, and the Homeland Security Department, also warning of the dangers currently being displayed by the many numerous threats of violence, and multiple radical groups, growing within the conservative Tea Parties. This will also likely bring on another personal attack.


Lib Tip # 5: Be alert for their right-wing talking points. That is all that they have, so expect them to use them frequently. Remember, these people voted twice for George Bush, the worst president in history, who said that the Constitution was just a piece of paper, during his tenure, while he broke the Geneva Conventions, was slapped down three times by the Supreme Court for unconstitutional behavior, illegally spied on Americans, fomented torture and lied the country into a war. Don't expect Conservatives who applaud duntzes like Sara Palin, and George Bush, to have any appreciation for the REAL news of the day. Their goal is to avoid reality, so be careful to illimate them early on, from any attempt at real debate. Expect continued personal attacks, even years after you have ended any interaction.

Lib Tip # 6: Remember, these people hate their government, as they were brainwashed to do many years ago, by an actor who pretended to have a brain, so don't expect any real patriotism, or empathy for their fellow Americans. They may call themselves Christians, but in fact, they are greedy, cannot stand to think that any of their tax dollars might help another American, and only approve of seeing their taxes be used to kill people on the other side of the world, or fill the pockets of the walthy. so remember, they are truly not Christians, at all. Expect to be personally attacked when you point out their hisotrical documented lack of appreciation for any humanitarian endeavors.

Lib Tip # 7: Define America by it’s Errors, not its Successes: This is what they love, since they hate their government. Expect to be personally attacked regardless, since attack mode is their only debating skill.

Taking a cue from Lib Tip # 4, It is important to characterize America by it’s current goals and issues, since their ability to grasp the true historical information is unheard of. It is critical that you completely overlook all the bad moves America has made, and the manner in which Republicans supported and propped up one dictatorship after another. In fact, you must go to some lengths to divert people from the notion that because of Republican policies, particularly those of both Bush administrations, and Reagan's administration, the world is a far more dangerous, hostile, sad place. It is pointless to address these facts, since conservatives cannot grasp them.

Even pointing out the bad treatment of Indians and Slaves, will be denied by Conservatives, since they still think the White Man deserves to have slaves, and actually have Governors on the scene, currently, who praise the Confederacy, without a mention of slavery at all. Expect to be personally attacked after you do this...and don't bother mentioning how many Americans have been killed by the same Weapons of Mass Destruction which Conservatives have spread around the world for money for decades.

Lib Tip # 8: Blame talk radio and FOX news for fanning hate and racism: Because they are in fact the Conservative's main source of unamerican rheotric and lies. Avoid at all costs the fact that both talk radio and FOX news would not be able to spread around all theuir propaganda, if their King Communist, Ronald Reagan, hadn't removed all semblence of journalistic integrity, and standards. Pointing out that Fox's wide audience is linked to the same radical element, and growing irrational RW radical threat which our law enforcement is so concerned about, or the fact that some of the Fox Propagandists, and irrational RW pundits, have actually been linked to murders, will only bring about an example of that very irrational thinking and in some cases, threats of violence, from the Conservative with whom you have attempted to reason. Above all, NEVER try rational reasoning with a propagandized Conservative. They are beyond hope. Expect to be personally attacked, if you dare to maintain your own opinion.

Lib Tip # 9: Government is Good: Insist that appropriate government intervention is a good thing, and is included in the Founder's intentions.

Assert that it is our patriotic duty to pay taxes in spite of the fact that their beloved wealthy corporate fascist pigs, don't pay them. Nothing makes a Conservative more angry than when you point out that the wealthy do not pay their fair share of taxes, since they still believe in the already proven ridiculous theory of Trickle Down Economics.

Also, when debating with a conservative, don't expect any knowledge of economics in general, since they have been known to disregard even the most basic principles adn think that gross debt growth under Republcian control, is not a concern, at all. They ahve been known to defend this absurdity even in the face of complete economic collapse. Expect to be personally attacked when you point this out.


Lib Tip # 10: Send them to this web address http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/01/09/bush-on-jobs-the-worst-track-record-on-record/tab/article/

which will prove all their ridiculous asssertions about Reagan's economic achievements to be just another of their fantasies. Bill Clinton created the best economy in recent history. Created more jobs than Both Bush's combined, and most Republicans. Tell them that Jimmy Carter produced more jobs than either W. or his father, combined. Expect to be attacked, personally, when you point out this fact.



And at last, and this is probably the best advice of all, Don't bother debating with Conservatives, at all. They are generally nasty people which you would be far better off avoiding entirely. Who want's to argue needlessly with brick headed idiots who think that Sara Palin is a genius, or that a man can live inside of a whale
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ugotda7
04-14-2010, 06:36 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ugotda7</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Still a good follower of your betters.
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Yes you are. And no match for a person like Hondo, who is a thinker, not a follower. Bah Bah Bah...have you any wool????

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Liberal Guide to Debating Conservatives


Liberals have long since learned that debating Conservatives can be a challenging endeavor, since Conservatives are generally misinformed, and twist the truth beyond recognition. Present them with proven facts, after which you can expect to be personally attacked.

Not to worry. The following are several other tips Liberals can use right away to begin defeating Conservatives in every debate, every time.

Lib Tip # 1: Point out the fact that a Black face at a Conservative Convention is almost unheard of. Then point to the history of Southern White Racists, and link those racist attitudes with the many currently serving conservatives on Capital Hill, who applaud the racist signs used by their constituents. At last, remind them that Michael Steele, when exposed for his expensive spending of contributors money, pulled the race card. After pointing to this fact, you can expect to be personally attacked.


Lib Tip # 2: It is best to end a debate before it starts when a conservative begins to assert facts which have already been proven to be lies. Since they only watch Fox News, and listen to irrational zealots like Beck and Limpballs, don't expect anything rational to come from their opinions. End the debate, and then expect to be personally attacked, non stop into infinity.


Lib Tip # 3: Remember taht morals have been a thing of the past for Conservatives for many years. Point to the many pedophiles, closeted gays who stay in the closet, while purporting "Family Values" and vote against gay rights, then add to that all of the convicted felons and marital falanderers from the "Family Values" Christian Conservatives. Point out the pedophilia of the Catholic Church, and the child abuse at Christian Bible School Camps, After which, You can expect to be personally attacked.


Lib Tip # 4: Exploit the Weakest Link: Define your opponent by his weakest link. If 10,000 Tea Partiers hold a rally, amid racist signs which were displayed in front of Republican Leaders who applauded them right in front of the cameras, on the capital steps. your point can be proven just by providing the link to the many videos which prove your point.

Additionally, you can provide the links to the racist, angry mobs that began way back during the campaign. If they still persist, and call you a liar, which is their habit when proven wrong, you might consider refering them to the Southern Poverty Law Center, where reams of factual information is provided and which includes links to sources such as the FBI, and the Homeland Security Department, also warning of the dangers currently being displayed by the many numerous threats of violence, and multiple radical groups, growing within the conservative Tea Parties. This will also likely bring on another personal attack.


Lib Tip # 5: Be alert for their right-wing talking points. That is all that they have, so expect them to use them frequently. Remember, these people voted twice for George Bush, the worst president in history, who said that the Constitution was just a piece of paper, during his tenure, while he broke the Geneva Conventions, was slapped down three times by the Supreme Court for unconstitutional behavior, illegally spied on Americans, fomented torture and lied the country into a war. Don't expect Conservatives who applaud duntzes like Sara Palin, and George Bush, to have any appreciation for the REAL news of the day. Their goal is to avoid reality, so be careful to illimate them early on, from any attempt at real debate. Expect continued personal attacks, even years after you have ended any interaction.

Lib Tip # 6: Remember, these people hate their government, as they were brainwashed to do many years ago, by an actor who pretended to have a brain, so don't expect any real patriotism, or empathy for their fellow Americans. They may call themselves Christians, but in fact, they are greedy, cannot stand to think that any of their tax dollars might help another American, and only approve of seeing their taxes be used to kill people on the other side of the world, or fill the pockets of the walthy. so remember, they are truly not Christians, at all. Expect to be personally attacked when you point out their hisotrical documented lack of appreciation for any humanitarian endeavors.

Lib Tip # 7: Define America by it’s Errors, not its Successes: This is what they love, since they hate their government. Expect to be personally attacked regardless, since attack mode is their only debating skill.

Taking a cue from Lib Tip # 4, It is important to characterize America by it’s current goals and issues, since their ability to grasp the true historical information is unheard of. It is critical that you completely overlook all the bad moves America has made, and the manner in which Republicans supported and propped up one dictatorship after another. In fact, you must go to some lengths to divert people from the notion that because of Republican policies, particularly those of both Bush administrations, and Reagan's administration, the world is a far more dangerous, hostile, sad place. It is pointless to address these facts, since conservatives cannot grasp them.

Even pointing out the bad treatment of Indians and Slaves, will be denied by Conservatives, since they still think the White Man deserves to have slaves, and actually have Governors on the scene, currently, who praise the Confederacy, without a mention of slavery at all. Expect to be personally attacked after you do this...and don't bother mentioning how many Americans have been killed by the same Weapons of Mass Destruction which Conservatives have spread around the world for money for decades.

Lib Tip # 8: Blame talk radio and FOX news for fanning hate and racism: Because they are in fact the Conservative's main source of unamerican rheotric and lies. Avoid at all costs the fact that both talk radio and FOX news would not be able to spread around all theuir propaganda, if their King Communist, Ronald Reagan, hadn't removed all semblence of journalistic integrity, and standards. Pointing out that Fox's wide audience is linked to the same radical element, and growing irrational RW radical threat which our law enforcement is so concerned about, or the fact that some of the Fox Propagandists, and irrational RW pundits, have actually been linked to murders, will only bring about an example of that very irrational thinking and in some cases, threats of violence, from the Conservative with whom you have attempted to reason. Above all, NEVER try rational reasoning with a propagandized Conservative. They are beyond hope. Expect to be personally attacked, if you dare to maintain your own opinion.

Lib Tip # 9: Government is Good: Insist that appropriate government intervention is a good thing, and is included in the Founder's intentions.

Assert that it is our patriotic duty to pay taxes in spite of the fact that their beloved wealthy corporate fascist pigs, don't pay them. Nothing makes a Conservative more angry than when you point out that the wealthy do not pay their fair share of taxes, since they still believe in the already proven ridiculous theory of Trickle Down Economics.

Also, when debating with a conservative, don't expect any knowledge of economics in general, since they have been known to disregard even the most basic principles adn think that gross debt growth under Republcian control, is not a concern, at all. They ahve been known to defend this absurdity even in the face of complete economic collapse. Expect to be personally attacked when you point this out.


Lib Tip # 10: Send them to this web address http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/01/09/bush-on-jobs-the-worst-track-record-on-record/tab/article/

which will prove all their ridiculous asssertions about Reagan's economic achievements to be just another of their fantasies. Bill Clinton created the best economy in recent history. Created more jobs than Both Bush's combined, and most Republicans. Tell them that Jimmy Carter produced more jobs than either W. or his father, combined. Expect to be attacked, personally, when you point out this fact.



And at last, and this is probably the best advice of all, Don't bother debating with Conservatives, at all. They are generally nasty people which you would be far better off avoiding entirely. Who want's to argue needlessly with brick headed idiots who think that Sara Palin is a genius, or that a man can live inside of a whale
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You and Hondo - peas in a pod and both punch lines to a bad joke.....sitting together in the back of a chicken sedan.

Why is it that certain words are coming to mind - sniveling, bitter, sick, nasty, ignorant, blinded, partisan, miserable, worthless, pathetic, mediocre, insignificant?

Wait, what about TOTAL IGNORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, that's what I thought.

Gayle in MD
04-14-2010, 06:48 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Liberal Guide to Debating Conservatives


Liberals have long since learned that debating Conservatives can be a challenging endeavor, since Conservatives are generally misinformed, and twist the truth beyond recognition. Present them with proven facts, after which you can expect to be personally attacked.

Not to worry. The following are several other tips Liberals can use right away to begin defeating Conservatives in every debate, every time.

Lib Tip # 1: Point out the fact that a Black face at a Conservative Convention is almost unheard of. Then point to the history of Southern White Racists, and link those racist attitudes with the many currently serving conservatives on Capital Hill, who applaud the racist signs used by their constituents. At last, remind them that Michael Steele, when exposed for his expensive spending of contributors money, pulled the race card. After pointing to this fact, you can expect to be personally attacked.


Lib Tip # 2: It is best to end a debate before it starts when a conservative begins to assert facts which have already been proven to be lies. Since they only watch Fox News, and listen to irrational zealots like Beck and Limpballs, don't expect anything rational to come from their opinions. End the debate, and then expect to be personally attacked, non stop into infinity.


Lib Tip # 3: Remember taht morals have been a thing of the past for Conservatives for many years. Point to the many pedophiles, closeted gays who stay in the closet, while purporting "Family Values" and vote against gay rights, then add to that all of the convicted felons and marital falanderers from the "Family Values" Christian Conservatives. Point out the pedophilia of the Catholic Church, and the child abuse at Christian Bible School Camps, After which, You can expect to be personally attacked.


Lib Tip # 4: Exploit the Weakest Link: Define your opponent by his weakest link. If 10,000 Tea Partiers hold a rally, amid racist signs which were displayed in front of Republican Leaders who applauded them right in front of the cameras, on the capital steps. your point can be proven just by providing the link to the many videos which prove your point.

Additionally, you can provide the links to the racist, angry mobs that began way back during the campaign. If they still persist, and call you a liar, which is their habit when proven wrong, you might consider refering them to the Southern Poverty Law Center, where reams of factual information is provided and which includes links to sources such as the FBI, and the Homeland Security Department, also warning of the dangers currently being displayed by the many numerous threats of violence, and multiple radical groups, growing within the conservative Tea Parties. This will also likely bring on another personal attack.


Lib Tip # 5: Be alert for their right-wing talking points. That is all that they have, so expect them to use them frequently. Remember, these people voted twice for George Bush, the worst president in history, who said that the Constitution was just a piece of paper, during his tenure, while he broke the Geneva Conventions, was slapped down three times by the Supreme Court for unconstitutional behavior, illegally spied on Americans, fomented torture and lied the country into a war. Don't expect Conservatives who applaud duntzes like Sara Palin, and George Bush, to have any appreciation for the REAL news of the day. Their goal is to avoid reality, so be careful to illimate them early on, from any attempt at real debate. Expect continued personal attacks, even years after you have ended any interaction.

Lib Tip # 6: Remember, these people hate their government, as they were brainwashed to do many years ago, by an actor who pretended to have a brain, so don't expect any real patriotism, or empathy for their fellow Americans. They may call themselves Christians, but in fact, they are greedy, cannot stand to think that any of their tax dollars might help another American, and only approve of seeing their taxes be used to kill people on the other side of the world, or fill the pockets of the walthy. so remember, they are truly not Christians, at all. Expect to be personally attacked when you point out their hisotrical documented lack of appreciation for any humanitarian endeavors.

Lib Tip # 7: Define America by it’s Errors, not its Successes: This is what they love, since they hate their government. Expect to be personally attacked regardless, since attack mode is their only debating skill.

Taking a cue from Lib Tip # 4, It is important to characterize America by it’s current goals and issues, since their ability to grasp the true historical information is unheard of. It is critical that you completely overlook all the bad moves America has made, and the manner in which Republicans supported and propped up one dictatorship after another. In fact, you must go to some lengths to divert people from the notion that because of Republican policies, particularly those of both Bush administrations, and Reagan's administration, the world is a far more dangerous, hostile, sad place. It is pointless to address these facts, since conservatives cannot grasp them.

Even pointing out the bad treatment of Indians and Slaves, will be denied by Conservatives, since they still think the White Man deserves to have slaves, and actually have Governors on the scene, currently, who praise the Confederacy, without a mention of slavery at all. Expect to be personally attacked after you do this...and don't bother mentioning how many Americans have been killed by the same Weapons of Mass Destruction which Conservatives have spread around the world for money for decades.

Lib Tip # 8: Blame talk radio and FOX news for fanning hate and racism: Because they are in fact the Conservative's main source of unamerican rheotric and lies. Avoid at all costs the fact that both talk radio and FOX news would not be able to spread around all theuir propaganda, if their King Communist, Ronald Reagan, hadn't removed all semblence of journalistic integrity, and standards. Pointing out that Fox's wide audience is linked to the same radical element, and growing irrational RW radical threat which our law enforcement is so concerned about, or the fact that some of the Fox Propagandists, and irrational RW pundits, have actually been linked to murders, will only bring about an example of that very irrational thinking and in some cases, threats of violence, from the Conservative with whom you have attempted to reason. Above all, NEVER try rational reasoning with a propagandized Conservative. They are beyond hope. Expect to be personally attacked, if you dare to maintain your own opinion.

Lib Tip # 9: Government is Good: Insist that appropriate government intervention is a good thing, and is included in the Founder's intentions.

Assert that it is our patriotic duty to pay taxes in spite of the fact that their beloved wealthy corporate fascist pigs, don't pay them. Nothing makes a Conservative more angry than when you point out that the wealthy do not pay their fair share of taxes, since they still believe in the already proven ridiculous theory of Trickle Down Economics.

Also, when debating with a conservative, don't expect any knowledge of economics in general, since they have been known to disregard even the most basic principles adn think that gross debt growth under Republcian control, is not a concern, at all. They ahve been known to defend this absurdity even in the face of complete economic collapse. Expect to be personally attacked when you point this out.


Lib Tip # 10: Send them to this web address http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/01/09/bush-on-jobs-the-worst-track-record-on-record/tab/article/

which will prove all their ridiculous asssertions about Reagan's economic achievements to be just another of their fantasies. Bill Clinton created the best economy in recent history. Created more jobs than Both Bush's combined, and most Republicans. Tell them that Jimmy Carter produced more jobs than either W. or his father, combined. Expect to be attacked, personally, when you point out this fact.



And at last, and this is probably the best advice of all, Don't bother debating with Conservatives, at all. <span style='font-size: 26pt'>They are generally nasty people which you would be far better off avoiding entirely.</span> Who want's to argue needlessly with brick headed idiots who think that Sara Palin is a genius, or that a man can live inside of a whale
</div></div>

ugotda7
04-14-2010, 06:51 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Liberal Guide to Debating Conservatives


Liberals have long since learned that debating Conservatives can be a challenging endeavor, since Conservatives are generally misinformed, and twist the truth beyond recognition. Present them with proven facts, after which you can expect to be personally attacked.

Not to worry. The following are several other tips Liberals can use right away to begin defeating Conservatives in every debate, every time.

Lib Tip # 1: Point out the fact that a Black face at a Conservative Convention is almost unheard of. Then point to the history of Southern White Racists, and link those racist attitudes with the many currently serving conservatives on Capital Hill, who applaud the racist signs used by their constituents. At last, remind them that Michael Steele, when exposed for his expensive spending of contributors money, pulled the race card. After pointing to this fact, you can expect to be personally attacked.


Lib Tip # 2: It is best to end a debate before it starts when a conservative begins to assert facts which have already been proven to be lies. Since they only watch Fox News, and listen to irrational zealots like Beck and Limpballs, don't expect anything rational to come from their opinions. End the debate, and then expect to be personally attacked, non stop into infinity.


Lib Tip # 3: Remember taht morals have been a thing of the past for Conservatives for many years. Point to the many pedophiles, closeted gays who stay in the closet, while purporting "Family Values" and vote against gay rights, then add to that all of the convicted felons and marital falanderers from the "Family Values" Christian Conservatives. Point out the pedophilia of the Catholic Church, and the child abuse at Christian Bible School Camps, After which, You can expect to be personally attacked.


Lib Tip # 4: Exploit the Weakest Link: Define your opponent by his weakest link. If 10,000 Tea Partiers hold a rally, amid racist signs which were displayed in front of Republican Leaders who applauded them right in front of the cameras, on the capital steps. your point can be proven just by providing the link to the many videos which prove your point.

Additionally, you can provide the links to the racist, angry mobs that began way back during the campaign. If they still persist, and call you a liar, which is their habit when proven wrong, you might consider refering them to the Southern Poverty Law Center, where reams of factual information is provided and which includes links to sources such as the FBI, and the Homeland Security Department, also warning of the dangers currently being displayed by the many numerous threats of violence, and multiple radical groups, growing within the conservative Tea Parties. This will also likely bring on another personal attack.


Lib Tip # 5: Be alert for their right-wing talking points. That is all that they have, so expect them to use them frequently. Remember, these people voted twice for George Bush, the worst president in history, who said that the Constitution was just a piece of paper, during his tenure, while he broke the Geneva Conventions, was slapped down three times by the Supreme Court for unconstitutional behavior, illegally spied on Americans, fomented torture and lied the country into a war. Don't expect Conservatives who applaud duntzes like Sara Palin, and George Bush, to have any appreciation for the REAL news of the day. Their goal is to avoid reality, so be careful to illimate them early on, from any attempt at real debate. Expect continued personal attacks, even years after you have ended any interaction.

Lib Tip # 6: Remember, these people hate their government, as they were brainwashed to do many years ago, by an actor who pretended to have a brain, so don't expect any real patriotism, or empathy for their fellow Americans. They may call themselves Christians, but in fact, they are greedy, cannot stand to think that any of their tax dollars might help another American, and only approve of seeing their taxes be used to kill people on the other side of the world, or fill the pockets of the walthy. so remember, they are truly not Christians, at all. Expect to be personally attacked when you point out their hisotrical documented lack of appreciation for any humanitarian endeavors.

Lib Tip # 7: Define America by it’s Errors, not its Successes: This is what they love, since they hate their government. Expect to be personally attacked regardless, since attack mode is their only debating skill.

Taking a cue from Lib Tip # 4, It is important to characterize America by it’s current goals and issues, since their ability to grasp the true historical information is unheard of. It is critical that you completely overlook all the bad moves America has made, and the manner in which Republicans supported and propped up one dictatorship after another. In fact, you must go to some lengths to divert people from the notion that because of Republican policies, particularly those of both Bush administrations, and Reagan's administration, the world is a far more dangerous, hostile, sad place. It is pointless to address these facts, since conservatives cannot grasp them.

Even pointing out the bad treatment of Indians and Slaves, will be denied by Conservatives, since they still think the White Man deserves to have slaves, and actually have Governors on the scene, currently, who praise the Confederacy, without a mention of slavery at all. Expect to be personally attacked after you do this...and don't bother mentioning how many Americans have been killed by the same Weapons of Mass Destruction which Conservatives have spread around the world for money for decades.

Lib Tip # 8: Blame talk radio and FOX news for fanning hate and racism: Because they are in fact the Conservative's main source of unamerican rheotric and lies. Avoid at all costs the fact that both talk radio and FOX news would not be able to spread around all theuir propaganda, if their King Communist, Ronald Reagan, hadn't removed all semblence of journalistic integrity, and standards. Pointing out that Fox's wide audience is linked to the same radical element, and growing irrational RW radical threat which our law enforcement is so concerned about, or the fact that some of the Fox Propagandists, and irrational RW pundits, have actually been linked to murders, will only bring about an example of that very irrational thinking and in some cases, threats of violence, from the Conservative with whom you have attempted to reason. Above all, NEVER try rational reasoning with a propagandized Conservative. They are beyond hope. Expect to be personally attacked, if you dare to maintain your own opinion.

Lib Tip # 9: Government is Good: Insist that appropriate government intervention is a good thing, and is included in the Founder's intentions.

Assert that it is our patriotic duty to pay taxes in spite of the fact that their beloved wealthy corporate fascist pigs, don't pay them. Nothing makes a Conservative more angry than when you point out that the wealthy do not pay their fair share of taxes, since they still believe in the already proven ridiculous theory of Trickle Down Economics.

Also, when debating with a conservative, don't expect any knowledge of economics in general, since they have been known to disregard even the most basic principles adn think that gross debt growth under Republcian control, is not a concern, at all. They ahve been known to defend this absurdity even in the face of complete economic collapse. Expect to be personally attacked when you point this out.


Lib Tip # 10: Send them to this web address http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/01/09/bush-on-jobs-the-worst-track-record-on-record/tab/article/

which will prove all their ridiculous asssertions about Reagan's economic achievements to be just another of their fantasies. Bill Clinton created the best economy in recent history. Created more jobs than Both Bush's combined, and most Republicans. Tell them that Jimmy Carter produced more jobs than either W. or his father, combined. Expect to be attacked, personally, when you point out this fact.



And at last, and this is probably the best advice of all, Don't bother debating with Conservatives, at all. <span style='font-size: 26pt'>They are generally nasty people which you would be far better off avoiding entirely.</span> Who want's to argue needlessly with brick headed idiots who think that Sara Palin is a genius, or that a man can live inside of a whale
</div></div> </div></div>


TOTAL IGNORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yep, still a punch line to a bad joke.

Gayle in MD
04-14-2010, 07:01 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Liberal Guide to Debating Conservatives


Liberals have long since learned that debating Conservatives can be a challenging endeavor, since Conservatives are generally misinformed, and twist the truth beyond recognition. Present them with proven facts, after which you can expect to be personally attacked.

Not to worry. The following are several other tips Liberals can use right away to begin defeating Conservatives in every debate, every time.

Lib Tip # 1: Point out the fact that a Black face at a Conservative Convention is almost unheard of. Then point to the history of Southern White Racists, and link those racist attitudes with the many currently serving conservatives on Capital Hill, who applaud the racist signs used by their constituents. At last, remind them that Michael Steele, when exposed for his expensive spending of contributors money, pulled the race card. After pointing to this fact, you can expect to be personally attacked.


Lib Tip # 2: It is best to end a debate before it starts when a conservative begins to assert facts which have already been proven to be lies. Since they only watch Fox News, and listen to irrational zealots like Beck and Limpballs, don't expect anything rational to come from their opinions. End the debate, and then expect to be personally attacked, non stop into infinity.


Lib Tip # 3: Remember taht morals have been a thing of the past for Conservatives for many years. Point to the many pedophiles, closeted gays who stay in the closet, while purporting "Family Values" and vote against gay rights, then add to that all of the convicted felons and marital falanderers from the "Family Values" Christian Conservatives. Point out the pedophilia of the Catholic Church, and the child abuse at Christian Bible School Camps, After which, You can expect to be personally attacked.


Lib Tip # 4: Exploit the Weakest Link: Define your opponent by his weakest link. If 10,000 Tea Partiers hold a rally, amid racist signs which were displayed in front of Republican Leaders who applauded them right in front of the cameras, on the capital steps. your point can be proven just by providing the link to the many videos which prove your point.

Additionally, you can provide the links to the racist, angry mobs that began way back during the campaign. If they still persist, and call you a liar, which is their habit when proven wrong, you might consider refering them to the Southern Poverty Law Center, where reams of factual information is provided and which includes links to sources such as the FBI, and the Homeland Security Department, also warning of the dangers currently being displayed by the many numerous threats of violence, and multiple radical groups, growing within the conservative Tea Parties. This will also likely bring on another personal attack.


Lib Tip # 5: Be alert for their right-wing talking points. That is all that they have, so expect them to use them frequently. Remember, these people voted twice for George Bush, the worst president in history, who said that the Constitution was just a piece of paper, during his tenure, while he broke the Geneva Conventions, was slapped down three times by the Supreme Court for unconstitutional behavior, illegally spied on Americans, fomented torture and lied the country into a war. Don't expect Conservatives who applaud duntzes like Sara Palin, and George Bush, to have any appreciation for the REAL news of the day. Their goal is to avoid reality, so be careful to illimate them early on, from any attempt at real debate. Expect continued personal attacks, even years after you have ended any interaction.

Lib Tip # 6: Remember, these people hate their government, as they were brainwashed to do many years ago, by an actor who pretended to have a brain, so don't expect any real patriotism, or empathy for their fellow Americans. They may call themselves Christians, but in fact, they are greedy, cannot stand to think that any of their tax dollars might help another American, and only approve of seeing their taxes be used to kill people on the other side of the world, or fill the pockets of the walthy. so remember, they are truly not Christians, at all. Expect to be personally attacked when you point out their hisotrical documented lack of appreciation for any humanitarian endeavors.

Lib Tip # 7: Define America by it’s Errors, not its Successes: This is what they love, since they hate their government. Expect to be personally attacked regardless, since attack mode is their only debating skill.

Taking a cue from Lib Tip # 4, It is important to characterize America by it’s current goals and issues, since their ability to grasp the true historical information is unheard of. It is critical that you completely overlook all the bad moves America has made, and the manner in which Republicans supported and propped up one dictatorship after another. In fact, you must go to some lengths to divert people from the notion that because of Republican policies, particularly those of both Bush administrations, and Reagan's administration, the world is a far more dangerous, hostile, sad place. It is pointless to address these facts, since conservatives cannot grasp them.

Even pointing out the bad treatment of Indians and Slaves, will be denied by Conservatives, since they still think the White Man deserves to have slaves, and actually have Governors on the scene, currently, who praise the Confederacy, without a mention of slavery at all. Expect to be personally attacked after you do this...and don't bother mentioning how many Americans have been killed by the same Weapons of Mass Destruction which Conservatives have spread around the world for money for decades.

Lib Tip # 8: Blame talk radio and FOX news for fanning hate and racism: Because they are in fact the Conservative's main source of unamerican rheotric and lies. Avoid at all costs the fact that both talk radio and FOX news would not be able to spread around all theuir propaganda, if their King Communist, Ronald Reagan, hadn't removed all semblence of journalistic integrity, and standards. Pointing out that Fox's wide audience is linked to the same radical element, and growing irrational RW radical threat which our law enforcement is so concerned about, or the fact that some of the Fox Propagandists, and irrational RW pundits, have actually been linked to murders, will only bring about an example of that very irrational thinking and in some cases, threats of violence, from the Conservative with whom you have attempted to reason. Above all, NEVER try rational reasoning with a propagandized Conservative. They are beyond hope. Expect to be personally attacked, if you dare to maintain your own opinion.

Lib Tip # 9: Government is Good: Insist that appropriate government intervention is a good thing, and is included in the Founder's intentions.

Assert that it is our patriotic duty to pay taxes in spite of the fact that their beloved wealthy corporate fascist pigs, don't pay them. Nothing makes a Conservative more angry than when you point out that the wealthy do not pay their fair share of taxes, since they still believe in the already proven ridiculous theory of Trickle Down Economics.

Also, when debating with a conservative, don't expect any knowledge of economics in general, since they have been known to disregard even the most basic principles adn think that gross debt growth under Republcian control, is not a concern, at all. They ahve been known to defend this absurdity even in the face of complete economic collapse. Expect to be personally attacked when you point this out.


Lib Tip # 10: Send them to this web address http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/01/09/bush-on-jobs-the-worst-track-record-on-record/tab/article/

which will prove all their ridiculous asssertions about Reagan's economic achievements to be just another of their fantasies. Bill Clinton created the best economy in recent history. Created more jobs than Both Bush's combined, and most Republicans. Tell them that Jimmy Carter produced more jobs than either W. or his father, combined. Expect to be attacked, personally, when you point out this fact.



And at last, and this is probably the best advice of all, Don't bother debating with Conservatives, at all. They are generally nasty people which you would be far better off avoiding entirely. Who want's to argue needlessly with brick headed idiots who think that Sara Palin is a genius, or that a man can live inside of a whale
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ugotda7
04-14-2010, 07:06 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Liberal Guide to Debating Conservatives


Liberals have long since learned that debating Conservatives can be a challenging endeavor, since Conservatives are generally misinformed, and twist the truth beyond recognition. Present them with proven facts, after which you can expect to be personally attacked.

Not to worry. The following are several other tips Liberals can use right away to begin defeating Conservatives in every debate, every time.

Lib Tip # 1: Point out the fact that a Black face at a Conservative Convention is almost unheard of. Then point to the history of Southern White Racists, and link those racist attitudes with the many currently serving conservatives on Capital Hill, who applaud the racist signs used by their constituents. At last, remind them that Michael Steele, when exposed for his expensive spending of contributors money, pulled the race card. After pointing to this fact, you can expect to be personally attacked.


Lib Tip # 2: It is best to end a debate before it starts when a conservative begins to assert facts which have already been proven to be lies. Since they only watch Fox News, and listen to irrational zealots like Beck and Limpballs, don't expect anything rational to come from their opinions. End the debate, and then expect to be personally attacked, non stop into infinity.


Lib Tip # 3: Remember taht morals have been a thing of the past for Conservatives for many years. Point to the many pedophiles, closeted gays who stay in the closet, while purporting "Family Values" and vote against gay rights, then add to that all of the convicted felons and marital falanderers from the "Family Values" Christian Conservatives. Point out the pedophilia of the Catholic Church, and the child abuse at Christian Bible School Camps, After which, You can expect to be personally attacked.


Lib Tip # 4: Exploit the Weakest Link: Define your opponent by his weakest link. If 10,000 Tea Partiers hold a rally, amid racist signs which were displayed in front of Republican Leaders who applauded them right in front of the cameras, on the capital steps. your point can be proven just by providing the link to the many videos which prove your point.

Additionally, you can provide the links to the racist, angry mobs that began way back during the campaign. If they still persist, and call you a liar, which is their habit when proven wrong, you might consider refering them to the Southern Poverty Law Center, where reams of factual information is provided and which includes links to sources such as the FBI, and the Homeland Security Department, also warning of the dangers currently being displayed by the many numerous threats of violence, and multiple radical groups, growing within the conservative Tea Parties. This will also likely bring on another personal attack.


Lib Tip # 5: Be alert for their right-wing talking points. That is all that they have, so expect them to use them frequently. Remember, these people voted twice for George Bush, the worst president in history, who said that the Constitution was just a piece of paper, during his tenure, while he broke the Geneva Conventions, was slapped down three times by the Supreme Court for unconstitutional behavior, illegally spied on Americans, fomented torture and lied the country into a war. Don't expect Conservatives who applaud duntzes like Sara Palin, and George Bush, to have any appreciation for the REAL news of the day. Their goal is to avoid reality, so be careful to illimate them early on, from any attempt at real debate. Expect continued personal attacks, even years after you have ended any interaction.

Lib Tip # 6: Remember, these people hate their government, as they were brainwashed to do many years ago, by an actor who pretended to have a brain, so don't expect any real patriotism, or empathy for their fellow Americans. They may call themselves Christians, but in fact, they are greedy, cannot stand to think that any of their tax dollars might help another American, and only approve of seeing their taxes be used to kill people on the other side of the world, or fill the pockets of the walthy. so remember, they are truly not Christians, at all. Expect to be personally attacked when you point out their hisotrical documented lack of appreciation for any humanitarian endeavors.

Lib Tip # 7: Define America by it’s Errors, not its Successes: This is what they love, since they hate their government. Expect to be personally attacked regardless, since attack mode is their only debating skill.

Taking a cue from Lib Tip # 4, It is important to characterize America by it’s current goals and issues, since their ability to grasp the true historical information is unheard of. It is critical that you completely overlook all the bad moves America has made, and the manner in which Republicans supported and propped up one dictatorship after another. In fact, you must go to some lengths to divert people from the notion that because of Republican policies, particularly those of both Bush administrations, and Reagan's administration, the world is a far more dangerous, hostile, sad place. It is pointless to address these facts, since conservatives cannot grasp them.

Even pointing out the bad treatment of Indians and Slaves, will be denied by Conservatives, since they still think the White Man deserves to have slaves, and actually have Governors on the scene, currently, who praise the Confederacy, without a mention of slavery at all. Expect to be personally attacked after you do this...and don't bother mentioning how many Americans have been killed by the same Weapons of Mass Destruction which Conservatives have spread around the world for money for decades.

Lib Tip # 8: Blame talk radio and FOX news for fanning hate and racism: Because they are in fact the Conservative's main source of unamerican rheotric and lies. Avoid at all costs the fact that both talk radio and FOX news would not be able to spread around all theuir propaganda, if their King Communist, Ronald Reagan, hadn't removed all semblence of journalistic integrity, and standards. Pointing out that Fox's wide audience is linked to the same radical element, and growing irrational RW radical threat which our law enforcement is so concerned about, or the fact that some of the Fox Propagandists, and irrational RW pundits, have actually been linked to murders, will only bring about an example of that very irrational thinking and in some cases, threats of violence, from the Conservative with whom you have attempted to reason. Above all, NEVER try rational reasoning with a propagandized Conservative. They are beyond hope. Expect to be personally attacked, if you dare to maintain your own opinion.

Lib Tip # 9: Government is Good: Insist that appropriate government intervention is a good thing, and is included in the Founder's intentions.

Assert that it is our patriotic duty to pay taxes in spite of the fact that their beloved wealthy corporate fascist pigs, don't pay them. Nothing makes a Conservative more angry than when you point out that the wealthy do not pay their fair share of taxes, since they still believe in the already proven ridiculous theory of Trickle Down Economics.

Also, when debating with a conservative, don't expect any knowledge of economics in general, since they have been known to disregard even the most basic principles adn think that gross debt growth under Republcian control, is not a concern, at all. They ahve been known to defend this absurdity even in the face of complete economic collapse. Expect to be personally attacked when you point this out.


Lib Tip # 10: Send them to this web address http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/01/09/bush-on-jobs-the-worst-track-record-on-record/tab/article/

which will prove all their ridiculous asssertions about Reagan's economic achievements to be just another of their fantasies. Bill Clinton created the best economy in recent history. Created more jobs than Both Bush's combined, and most Republicans. Tell them that Jimmy Carter produced more jobs than either W. or his father, combined. Expect to be attacked, personally, when you point out this fact.



And at last, and this is probably the best advice of all, Don't bother debating with Conservatives, at all. They are generally nasty people which you would be far better off avoiding entirely. Who want's to argue needlessly with brick headed idiots who think that Sara Palin is a genius, or that a man can live inside of a whale
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TOTAL IGNORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yep, still a punch line to a bad joke.

eg8r
04-14-2010, 11:46 AM
Come on qtip? You said it was "fact", why aren't you responding?

eg8r

Gayle in MD
04-14-2010, 11:47 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Come on qtip? You said it was "fact", why aren't you responding?

eg8r </div></div>

I'm not Q., Sherlock...

eg8r
04-14-2010, 12:00 PM
I know you are not. I was hoping he would be man enough to not sit back and have to lean on your pathetic response. He was the idiot that said it was a fact and you are usually the fool that agrees with him.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
04-14-2010, 12:22 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I know you are not. I was hoping he would be man enough to not sit back and have to lean on your pathetic response. He was the idiot that said it was a fact and you are usually the fool that agrees with him.

eg8r </div></div>

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pooltchr
04-14-2010, 02:18 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
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Gayle's normal state when it comes to political issues!

Steve

sack316
04-14-2010, 03:17 PM
I dunno G. I see your point, but if the point of this thread is about being "fair" and "legal" or what have you, I don't see how continuing to detain "innocent" people is any better that detaining them in the first place... regardless of reasons.

Say I'm falsely charged and convicted of a crime, and do 10 years in prison, at which time new evidence exonerates me. I'd personally certainly harbor some resentment and strong feelings towards "the system" and everyone involved. (we agree up to this point I do believe).

Would my new found resentment justify continuing to keep me locked up? I don't think anyone would agree with that... short of me making specific threats perhaps.

So were these 90% of people innocent, and this admin must know if even Q knows, I'd say they are just as culpable as the Bush admin. Heck, even at the time of their detainment, an innocent one may have fallen into a "not sure" category. But now, according to this thread at least, we KNOW they are innocent (?), so further detainment would be as illegal as any laws you may claim broken in the first place. (note: that's not letting Bush off the hook, either).

And yes, I'm sure it would "take time" as you said. Many of us here knew that long ago when Obama first claimed the camp would be closed by a couple of months ago.

Sack

hondo
04-15-2010, 04:51 AM
Quote yugo: "You and Hondo - peas in a pod and both punch lines to a bad joke.....sitting together in the back of a chicken sedan.

Why is it that certain words are coming to mind - sniveling, bitter, sick, nasty, ignorant, blinded, partisan, miserable, worthless, pathetic, mediocre, insignificant."

LOL! I was waiting for that.
At least you're exposed for what you are.

ugotda7
04-15-2010, 09:49 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Quote yugo: "You and Hondo - peas in a pod and both punch lines to a bad joke.....sitting together in the back of a chicken sedan.

Why is it that certain words are coming to mind - sniveling, bitter, sick, nasty, ignorant, blinded, partisan, miserable, worthless, pathetic, mediocre, insignificant."

LOL! I was waiting for that.
At least you're exposed for what you are. </div></div>


Exposed for the words that come to my mind? Coincidentally they're coming to mind yet again. Call Time Life books!!!

OK, you caught me. Congratulations. Give yourself a WV Grade School Gold Star.

And the chicken sedan goes rolling along.........

LWW
04-15-2010, 10:12 AM
I don't think he goes in the woods for the hunting.

LWW

hondo
04-15-2010, 01:08 PM
I'm glad you lost your cool and lashed out with the vicious name-calling towards Gayle and me.
At least everyone on the forum found out I wasn't lying when I said what a low-life you are.

You go, yugo.

Keep telling them what a liar Hondo is but your post is there for all to see. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

LWW
04-15-2010, 02:19 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm glad you lost your cool and lashed out with the vicious name-calling towards Gayle and me.
At least everyone on the forum found out I wasn't lying when I said what a low-life you are.

You go, yugo.

Keep telling them what a liar Hondo is but your post is there for all to see. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif </div></div>

Could you point me towards his "VICIOUS NAME-CALLING" you mention?

What's that?

There wasn't any?

You made it up?

I thought so ... meanwhile you continue to refuse to issue myself and JohnnyD an apology for your racial slur.

LWW

hondo
04-15-2010, 03:55 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm glad you lost your cool and lashed out with the vicious name-calling towards Gayle and me.
At least everyone on the forum found out I wasn't lying when I said what a low-life you are.

You go, yugo.

Keep telling them what a liar Hondo is but your post is there for all to see. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif </div></div>

Could you point me towards his "VICIOUS NAME-CALLING" you mention?

What's that?

There wasn't any?

You made it up?

I thought so ... meanwhile you continue to refuse to issue myself and JohnnyD an apology for your racial slur.

LWW </div></div>


Quote yugo: "You and Hondo - peas in a pod and both punch lines to a bad joke.....sitting together in the back of a chicken sedan.

Why is it that certain words are coming to mind - sniveling, bitter, sick, nasty, ignorant, blinded, partisan, miserable, worthless, pathetic, mediocre, insignificant.

JohnnyD
04-15-2010, 04:47 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm glad you lost your cool and lashed out with the vicious name-calling towards Gayle and me.
At least everyone on the forum found out I wasn't lying when I said what a low-life you are.

You go, yugo.

Keep telling them what a liar Hondo is but your post is there for all to see. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif </div></div>No names poser.But you knew that.Everyone on both forums now see what a poser you are.Tell us more about your drug use teacher.

JohnnyD
04-15-2010, 04:49 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm glad you lost your cool and lashed out with the vicious name-calling towards Gayle and me.
At least everyone on the forum found out I wasn't lying when I said what a low-life you are.

You go, yugo.

Keep telling them what a liar Hondo is but your post is there for all to see. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif </div></div>Racial slurs by the poser are ok by him.His bigotry continues LWW.By the way LWW you own hondo.There isn't one debate that he has ever answered you in.

Could you point me towards his "VICIOUS NAME-CALLING" you mention?

What's that?

There wasn't any?

You made it up?

I thought so ... meanwhile you continue to refuse to issue myself and JohnnyD an apology for your racial slur.

LWW </div></div>

JohnnyD
04-15-2010, 04:52 PM
Looks like this gail isn't much smarter than hondo.

JohnnyD
04-15-2010, 04:53 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm glad you lost your cool and lashed out with the vicious name-calling towards Gayle and me.
At least everyone on the forum found out I wasn't lying when I said what a low-life you are.

You go, yugo.

Keep telling them what a liar Hondo is but your post is there for all to see. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif </div></div>

Could you point me towards his "VICIOUS NAME-CALLING" you mention?

What's that?

There wasn't any?

You made it up?

I thought so ... meanwhile you continue to refuse to issue myself and JohnnyD an apology for your racial slur.

LWW </div></div>


Quote yugo: "You and Hondo - peas in a pod and both punch lines to a bad joke.....sitting together in the back of a chicken sedan.

Why is it that certain words are coming to mind - sniveling, bitter, sick, nasty, ignorant, blinded, partisan, miserable, worthless, pathetic, mediocre, insignificant. </div></div>You will never be a teacher hondo give it up.Read the good book.Jesus loves you.

hondo
05-13-2010, 09:44 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JohnnyD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm glad you lost your cool and lashed out with the vicious name-calling towards Gayle and me.
At least everyone on the forum found out I wasn't lying when I said what a low-life you are.

You go, yugo.

Keep telling them what a liar Hondo is but your post is there for all to see. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif </div></div>

Could you point me towards his "VICIOUS NAME-CALLING" you mention?

What's that?

There wasn't any?

You made it up?

I thought so ... meanwhile you continue to refuse to issue myself and JohnnyD an apology for your racial slur.

LWW </div></div>


Quote yugo: "You and Hondo - peas in a pod and both punch lines to a bad joke.....sitting together in the back of a chicken sedan.

Why is it that certain words are coming to mind - sniveling, bitter, sick, nasty, ignorant, blinded, partisan, miserable, worthless, pathetic, mediocre, insignificant. </div></div>You will never be a teacher hondo give it up.Read the good book.Jesus loves you. </div></div>


Bless you JohnnyD.

LWW

hondo
05-13-2010, 09:47 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JohnnyD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Looks like this gail isn't much smarter than hondo. </div></div>


Bless you JohnnyD.

LWW

LWW
05-14-2010, 03:11 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JohnnyD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Looks like this gail isn't much smarter than hondo. </div></div>


Bless you JohnnyD.

LWW </div></div>

So what exactly are you saying... that Gayle is dumber than you and not a little smarter?

I would honestly put the two of you in a dead heat if I were to hazard a guess.

LWW

hondo
05-14-2010, 04:51 AM
Uh, dud, I'm not LWW, but you already knew that.

LWW
05-14-2010, 05:06 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you see me continuing to post on other threads, you certainly
have a right to gloat in your usual smug way, Christian.

Fair enough? </div></div>

LWW

hondo
05-14-2010, 05:17 AM
Fair enough.