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Sid_Vicious
04-21-2010, 01:44 PM
Well last night got a bit messy in some money pool. This guy owed me 300 from last week's debt, paid me 100 last night, said he could just get that much to me right then, leaving an unpaid 200 balance. Asked if I wanted to play on the balance, and again, I foolishly relented just to have something to do I guess, plus we were long time combatants after league play. At the start of league play he sat one $20 set up on me(actually me with $180 balance from last week), so we postponed till after league, and spotted his win at the rack end with a dime under the rail(I usually run win coins on the breaking end, but the races confuse things.) As expected he wanted to play for bigger money(which he apparently didn't have on him)and that was good for me because I'd switched to diet soda for the last hour or so...just tired of drinking, or maybe I was preparing ;-) I then reminded him we had a one hundred dollar set under way last week when his wife showed up, causing him at that moment last week to whisper, "Be quiet about the gambling, I'll take care of you later. His wife is really doesn't like his gambling! We both sat on the hill for that hundred, so anybody could get lucky in one game of 9B. I won that 100 too, and he himself picked up the dime from his single $20-spot on the his left side of the table, and said verbally, "I am moving the dime to $80 on your right-side", which he did. We then played another quick $20 set, I won again and mistakenly moved my coin down table instead of forward, hence it visually looked as if I was on $60 instead of $100. I missed that observation/mistake, he then wanted to play for the $300 balance, and I sternly said "NO, it makes no sense since you can't even pay last weeks debt yet." He said, "How about a $50 set?" I said, "Fine, a race to two, and this is my last set, I am tired." OK, so here we go again, and once more I won. So I inform him he now owes me $350(200 from last week, and $150 for tonight. He WENT OFF!, and we sort of became a spectacle for the small crown left there. He stormed around saying he was only playing for twenties, not any hundreds, hence I said, "Then how come you jumped my coin YOURSELF to the 80 spot from your 20 spot! if you didn't know about the hundred bet?" He ranted and raved that I wasn't able to even keep up with how to move my coin(another admission that he knew I wasn't on $60, but really $100 after the $20 race before the final fifty.

I really got angry with the fact he was apparently ploying to call me inept, which on another given night I would have found it difficult to defend myself, but not last night,,,I was about as clear headed as I've been in a while at 11PM and gambling. I KNEW what the money trail was, equaled me winning $350. He said at most it was $290(odd number) and I finally just said, "You go to the Impact and get me $290 and lets go home, but don't expect me to play you again." He did go, came back with $200, saying he had hit his limit for the day. So I am now at this moment just even with the first 300 he owed from last week. Besides, I was grudgingly GIVING him a $60 break just to get the hell out of there. One thing led to another, I was really getting hot, and I finally just picked up the cue case and stalked out of there. Before I did though, I said that if there was EVER a repeat of us gambling and his wife showing up, I was going to be very open that you owed money, money you stated you had to play on before we started playing. I thought I was being upright about letting him off that night when the wife showed up. Nice guys seem to finish last.

cushioncrawler
04-21-2010, 03:31 PM
Sid -- I think hiz missus haz a crush on u. Iz she pretty???
madMac.

LWW
04-21-2010, 04:05 PM
Why would you gamble with a guy that you know can't pay?

LWW

Sid_Vicious
04-21-2010, 04:13 PM
I am financially way ahead with the guy, trust me.

Rich R.
04-21-2010, 07:49 PM
Sid, you really have to start gambling with a better class of people.

You could always call the guys house, when you know he is not home and his wife would answer, and ask when he was going to pay what he owes you. LOL

Sid_Vicious
04-21-2010, 08:22 PM
I'm sure you joke, but he and I are only league acquaintances over 4 months, so numbers ain't there...besides calling 'the house' is just wrong. "Mother" will be there in short order next event or two. I just NEVER considered such a thing on purpose, for a few bucks. I will not dodge a pay-off in the PH though nest time. Yea, I will, I ain't a total asshole, unless the guy is balsy enough. sid

Rich R.
04-22-2010, 07:06 AM
Sid, I may have been joking about calling the guy's house but I wasn't kidding about gambling with a better class of people. There are classy gamblers who would never leave you hanging with a debt and there are dead beat gamblers who will leave you hanging all of the time. When I used to gamble, I preferred to gamble with the former, rather than the latter.

JJFSTAR
04-22-2010, 09:03 AM
Quite frankly it is surprising that you got that $200. You have learned a life lesson (hopefully) and it has cost you $0, just a strained acquaintance and a loud verbal exchange. You should consider yourself exceptionally fortunate; usually life lessons of this type cost you something.

And finally; in the immortal words of Robert Byrne, “it is not nice to win money from somebody who can’t afford it”. Taking somebody for “all their worth” and then some has NEVER worked out well for me and I suspect that is true most of the time for most of us. Smile, your lesson came as cheaply as I have ever even heard of.

Sid_Vicious
04-22-2010, 11:10 AM
Thanks all. I should stress that it's mostly the deviate way the guy tried to screw me over on the amounts, and the way he "went cheap" and got caught in lies concerning coin movements and the total balance. Sure, the cash not actually paid has it's importance without doubt, but the loss in my view now of his integrity can't be recovered easily.

So here's what I am going to do. I'll look to get the amount left "he thinks" he owes next week, stuffed in my wallet, smile and say thanks and "It was a real mess Guy, anybody might have been wrong, let's just move on" and then see if there's any "game" offered. Then, I'll insert my wager in the pocket, and ask him to do the same. If that doesn't fly, fine. If it does, he gets his chance to recoup loses, and get friendly again, AND I or he, will have a payout after each set. If someone has no money for the post, we're done. I already hear what everyone is surely thinking..."Well DUH!, you should have always played that way." I admit to being naive when I play people I deem as friends, but I guess that's going to change, assuming that I learned anything here. Letting winnings stack up after the bet level changing like it did, is just asking for trouble, especially when alcohol is involved, and 20 bets go to hundreds. Besides, it feels good to physically pocket cash after each set that you win.

It is too bad that the season ended like this. He and I had played after the league games were done week after week, each of us honorable enough to pay off losses the week after in order to save the $3 Impact fees. Now the honor is generally gone, and pretty much all chances to ever remain friendly like before. That truly sucks! You can always make or win more money, but friends are more precious. Adios...sid

Forgot to also mention, if his wife, her whole famdamily, or even his minister shows up in the middle of the games, I ain't hiding that we are doing money games. That sh!it is over! sv

Chopstick
04-23-2010, 06:52 AM
Syndey, you settle after every set. Nobody plays on credit. No exceptions. If he fires an air barrel at ya, game over and he has three days to settle. He gets no more action until he pays. IF he stiffs ya for it, tell everyone in the PH he's a nit and doesn't pay up. Kill all his action.

Deeman3
04-28-2010, 10:40 AM
What Chopstick said, plus....

I would probably pay to have the drama in my pool and personal life each week like you do. Heck, life can get boring for most of us but for you, Sid, the most mundane event makes life a crisis. It has to be more interesting than building, in my case, a few thousand automobiles each week and makes you a much more likely candidate for a drive by shooting or being offed, poisoned or an exit candidate than most of the rest of us. All that and Mexicans invading your home turf. Hell, I'd trade places with you for about two hours each week if we could get away with it! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

You do know, bitch slapping your opponent is still allowed in Texas, jst like we do in Alabama! I know, I lived there long enough. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

Sid_Vicious
04-28-2010, 12:25 PM
You know what Dee,,,I've had a real enlightenment with these drama events with the people I valued for integrity, so yes these are valued lessons. For example, it's one thing when someone fouls and doesn't call it on themselves, it's my responsibility to watch the game, yet I think most of us here would still call a foul on ourselves. It's another thing to actually cheat on amounts of bets, and twisting the truth about coin placements which is sooo obvious, and personally sobering for seeing the "real person" you didn't really know all along. If people will cheat like this in a leisure sport/hobby, then, these "friends" have to surely SUCK as a human being in other things as well.

All my wagering since then on the table has been with cash in the hole, and I double-verify with the guy each and every time about the current status and conditions of our wager, i.e. race to X, one the hill, all of the petty stuff no one should have to do over a measly twenty bucks with people you've played for 5-10 years. It is what it is, and I know more now about people than I did before. Either pool players who gamble are shitty, or shitty people gamble at pool. I can work around that, but it takes a lot of the fun out of the PH experience, and I have to admit, it makes me wonder whether some people are worth dealing with. Taking their cash is more satisfying now though. Kinda like a new vendetta, a war...sid

Deeman3
04-28-2010, 03:46 PM
Sid,

I think you are probably being reasonable, at least to me, on your expectations about casual and especially long term gambling relationships. That being said, there are a bunch of very different folks out there. I always thought that a guy that would gamble with money he did not have in his pocket, at the moment, was probably trouble, or at least had problems, in the first place. It should not matter the stakes, a $1,000 to me may be the same as $5 to you or visa versa.

The only possible reason a guy like me, now at my age and place in life/carrer/etc. would gamble is for the rush or status. The money would have to be too big and the risk so large that seeking it out anymore is almost boring in itself. A $100 bet within a Sat. morning foursome is about the same thing, just a way to keep your attention on the score.

You may, in fact, just really love all the emotion this "charges" you up with. Not bad, been there done that! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

I got tired very quicky, a long time ago gambling with folks who could not afford to lose or who's economic situation put them in a much different financial bind than the same bet did to moi. Make sense?

You made an important point, that Charlie made earlier, ""wheather some people are worth dealing with?" Therein lies the answer. I know you. You won't live or die on a $300 gambling debt or one owed to you. Ifthe thrill of the win outweighs the frustration of having to put up with air barrels, nits, barkers and wolfers, do it. If it gets too much a hassle, find a guy of your similar habits and manners and make a cash only bet each time and enjoy the experience more. There is one guy who drives me nuts but I like taking his money so much I break all these things I had just said, every blessed time I run across him. But, in that case, it is worth the aggrevation. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

hondo
04-28-2010, 04:02 PM
We have a guy in our pool hall who's always gambling with money he doesn't have.
We put up with it because he's one of the only games in the PH and he does eventually pay.

However, he works in Ohio and sometimes doesn't show back up for 2 or 3 months.

Chopstick
04-29-2010, 07:57 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sid_Vicious</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You know what Dee,,,I've had a real enlightenment with these drama events with the people I valued for integrity, so yes these are valued lessons. For example, it's one thing when someone fouls and doesn't call it on themselves, it's my responsibility to watch the game, yet I think most of us here would still call a foul on ourselves.

<span style="color: #000099">It used to be in the rules. If your opponent does not call a foul then it ain't a foul.</span>

It's another thing to actually cheat on amounts of bets, and twisting the truth about coin placements which is sooo obvious, and personally sobering for seeing the "real person" you didn't really know all along. If people will cheat like this in a leisure sport/hobby, then, these "friends" have to surely SUCK as a human being in other things as well.

<span style="color: #000099">Welcome to the pool hall. That's what goes on here. What do you expect when you have top pros cheating each other and talking about it on youtube like it's their right to cheat? </span>

All my wagering since then on the table has been with cash in the hole, and I double-verify with the guy each and every time about the current status and conditions of our wager, i.e. race to X, one the hill, all of the petty stuff no one should have to do over a measly twenty bucks with people you've played for 5-10 years. It is what it is, and I know more now about people than I did before. Either pool players who gamble are shitty, or shitty people gamble at pool. I can work around that, but it takes a lot of the fun out of the PH experience, and I have to admit, it makes me wonder whether some people are worth dealing with. Taking their cash is more satisfying now though. Kinda like a new vendetta, a war...sid

<span style="color: #000099">Another thing to remember is you play like who you play with. You would be better off taking a hundred or so and firing it at some quality competition like Dick Lane for $10 or $20 a game. There are plenty of good guys who will play with ya. It will be a far better match and it will bring out the best in your game and you might just surprise yourself and win one every now and then.

Besides, if you expect to keep up with me and Spidey, you had better get it in gear.</span> </div></div>

Chopstick
04-29-2010, 08:39 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deeman3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I got tired very quicky, a long time ago gambling with folks who could not afford to lose or who's economic situation put them in a much different financial bind than the same bet did to moi. Make sense?

having to put up with air barrels, nits, barkers and wolfers, </div></div>

<span style="color: #000099">I quit years ago for the same reasons. Plus people now days are different than the used to be. Now days, they pitch a fit, throw things, and call you an SOB, because they missed a ball. Like it's all your fault because they always play better than this. I let a friend nagg me into playing this hotshot 8 ball for $20 about 10 years ago. He did something really stupid and left the balls in a position he could not possibility get out from no matter how many opportunities I would give him and at the same time he left me dead out.

Apparently he did not see the out because he turned and yelled to the whole room, "what are you gonna do now old man?" I told him, "just have a seat sonny and let me show you what I was doing while you were learning how to walk." I got out, told him to keep it and quit.

Why would anybody want that king of thing happening in their life? Why, at my position in life, would I risk getting cracked in the back of the head with a pool stick by some moron over $20 that I neither want or need?

I met an IPT touring Pro when the tour came to Orlando. He was living here locally and we agreed to get together and practice together. This went on for a couple of weeks then he asked me to gamble. We were playing straight pool. The first match was for the time and he lost. Then he insisted we play for a hundred and I went out on him in two innings. He quit and would not play with me anymore. I just lost a playing partner. I valued his game more than I did the money.

There was also a time, at that little bar in South Haven. I was in a bar table match with a guy, 5 ahead for $200. I really needed the money for a car. I was standing there and the hottest girl from anywhere around came right up and put her around me and said hey baby. I had seen her around before. She was asking me to leave with her. I was speechless. I was able to get my mouth working and was about to say something about settling up with the game but before I could get it said, she said "Yeah, I know. That's more important." She stomped out and never spoke to me again. I did go on the win the $200 but it was a bitter pill knowing that because of it, I had missed one of the great opportunities in my life. She was magnificent.

All in all, nothing good ever came to me from gambling at pool and plenty of bad did.</span>

Deeman3
04-29-2010, 12:20 PM
Chopstick,

Well said. You can tell who has been there and who has yet to make the trip. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

I have probably been thrown out of the Southaven bar a couiple of times. Reason I say so is that there was not one in Southaven that did not throw me out at one time or the other. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif Burma T. Hobbs Baby!

Spiderman and I are talking about seeing each other in Memphis over July 4th weekend. If you are in town, let us know. Also, Ace is planning a Jackson 5 event in Memphis later in the Summer! Highpockets, I would think! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

Deeman3
04-29-2010, 12:27 PM
Chopstick,

One other thing. I am sailing out of Tampa on May 17th on one fo those ungodly stupid Mexican Riveria/Cancun cruises. Yeah, I know but DeeWoman insisted on our 10 anniversary I do something that does not involve a French Maid costume. Sheesh!

Anyway, have you heard if it is a hassle to play a round or tow of golf in ports off these cruises? I was thinking about packing the Pings if the courses on the islands are susposed to be nice. Otherwise, I pack her off on a horseback ride and see how much Gringo Trouble I can get into. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

I can't wait to see how much she blows in the csianos on board. Those have gotta be worse than Indian Casinos.

hondo
04-29-2010, 01:29 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deeman3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Chopstick,

Well said. You can tell who has been there and who has yet to make the trip. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif



</div></div>

Very true. I have only been playing 46 years. I have a lot to learn.
Well, you saw how bad I played.

Sid_Vicious
04-29-2010, 02:32 PM
"There was also a time, at that little bar in South Haven. I was in a bar table match with a guy, 5 ahead for $200. I really needed the money for a car. I was standing there and the hottest girl from anywhere around came right up and put her around me and said hey baby. I had seen her around before. She was asking me to leave with her. I was speechless. I was able to get my mouth working and was about to say something about settling up with the game but before I could get it said, she said "Yeah, I know. That's more important." She stomped out and never spoke to me again. I did go on the win the $200 but it was a bitter pill knowing that because of it, I had missed one of the great opportunities in my life. She was magnificent."

De'ja Vu kinda, very interesting. I was playing the same dude the other night, and was down on a winning 9 ball, when I felt a slap on my physical butt, and assumed it was a waitress joking around and I never broke concentration and pocketed the ball. Well, when the slapper came back from the lady's room, I saw she was a stranger and quite a little cutie. I promptly asked for another slap to help me make the 9B combo, and she asked me to come away and off to the side with her. Like a DA, I shot the shot, and I never saw her again. I am so far overdue for a warm & fuzzy,,,that decision to shoot thru had to make that shot the stupidest shot for a hound dog like me to make. No wonder I ain't gettin' nun! sid

hondo
04-29-2010, 02:57 PM
Whenever that has happened to me, I always said, " What pool game?"

Deeman3
04-29-2010, 03:29 PM
I guess it is such a shame but I never, ever had a woman like that approach, grope or otherwise go after me in all my years.

May say a lot for my attractivness or lack thereof to the ladies in the pool halls. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

I did however, beat a cute young thing in Detroit out of more than money way back when. It was not one of my wiser moments as I recall. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif Turned out she was attached to a regular there and I always feared a backstabing when in the place for a long time. I still see the lad at Derby City on occasion but I'm sure it never came up but am oddly curious if they are still together but am afraid to ask.

Sid_Vicious
04-29-2010, 06:14 PM
I'm not so sure that the snake I was playing didn't arrange my little episode. Maybe that is discounting myself in attractiveness, but the odds sure favor one idea over the rest since it was so unusual compared to the rest of the time when it never happened. I'm thinking that with his and my cash in the pocket, that just maybe the wench was sent by as a distraction. I wasn't distracted. sid