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Deeman3
05-01-2010, 09:28 AM
The Mexican government Tuesday issued a travel warning for Arizona, saying Mexican nationals could face harassment as a result of the state's new immigration law.

President Felipe Calderon told a Mexico City news conference Monday the Arizona law opens the way for "intolerance, hate, discrimination and abuse in law enforcement."


<span style="color: #FF0000"> Sort of like the same harrassment a non-citizen of Mexico gets when they are caught in Mexico? </span>

Sev
05-01-2010, 09:36 AM
Far less severe.

TX, GA, MD, UT and TN may be soon to follow.
Not to worry though they will have safe havens in CA and NY.
One way or another we will have them corralled.

Sid_Vicious
05-01-2010, 09:54 AM
Dee...A few days ago, I was listening to CNN, there was a hispanic female raising hell about the law in AZ, and she said one time, "Hispanics are leaving Arizona and going back to Mexico already.", like that was supposed to impress Americans in some negative way. Woo-Hoo! Them leaving just means that this is effective by the sheer nature of itself. In other words, if the laws we ALREADY had here, were announced to be enforced, we wouldn't even need to have ICE running illegals down. I truly hope that all of the states mirror AZ. It's been said many, many times, but, WHAT PART OF ILLEGAL DON'T PEOPLE UNDERSTAND.

I say JUST really begin to enforce our laws across the nation, and let the problem evaporate naturally...illegal aliens, law breakers plain and simple, will cower down and relent and get the hell out of here. sid

Deeman3
05-01-2010, 10:58 AM
I had to amke a rather large purchase decision yesterday. One of the three vendors was in Arizona, guess who I ordered from? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

They will be marching today in all of the Southwest with Mexican flags and demonstrating against American sovernity. Watch the politicians, both left and right to bail on this one quickly.

It is easy for those sitting in the Northeast who have relatively little crime from illegals to be sympathetic to those who will be deported.

Sid, you are right! If we would just not cave this time on this one, you would possibly start seeing a reverse flow and maybe even some elevation in the basic wages for those who labor in this country. That's a "tax" I'll support. Paying a little more to law abiding citizens when we are wasting trillions otherwise is not such a bad thing, IMO.

Qtec
05-01-2010, 06:48 PM
Why not just introduce ID cards for every citizen?

Q

Sev
05-01-2010, 08:10 PM
Drivers license.
Soc Sec Card.
Pass Port.

Etc Etc Etc.

We have more ID's in America than you can shake a stick at.

LWW
05-01-2010, 10:30 PM
That's all the law is really requiring ... that you be able to ID yourself.

LWW

sack316
05-02-2010, 06:50 AM
I drive through a checkpoint, I must present valid ID. I get pulled over, I must present valid ID. I go buy smokes, I must have valid ID. I buy alcohol or just enter an club/pub/bar/poolhall I must have valid ID. I get on a plane, I must have valid ID. I start a job, I'm supposed to fill out an I-9 form and have 2 forms of valid ID. I start a bank account or go cash a check, I'm supposed to have valid ID.

One time I got pulled over, my license had been suspended, as such I was not in possession of valid ID. I got to go downtown for a bit.

I'm not seeing what's so nuts about these laws.

Sack

pooltchr
05-02-2010, 06:50 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That's all the law is really requiring ... that you be able to ID yourself.

LWW </div></div>

So simple, yet seemingly so difficult for some people to grasp!

Steve

LWW
05-02-2010, 06:58 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That's all the law is really requiring ... that you be able to ID yourself.

LWW </div></div>

So simple, yet seemingly so difficult for some people to grasp!

Steve </div></div>

If dearest leader opposes something, the O-cult will nod their collectivist heads in unison.

LWW

Chopstick
05-03-2010, 08:25 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why not just introduce ID cards for every citizen?

Q </div></div>


You would get called a Racist Nazi for bringing it up.

Chopstick
05-03-2010, 08:26 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sack316</div><div class="ubbcode-body">One time I got pulled over, my license had been suspended, as such I was not in possession of valid ID. I got to go downtown for a bit.

I'm not seeing what's so nuts about these laws.

Sack </div></div>

Same thing happened to me but if you were clearly an illegal then you would get a pass.

Deeman3
05-03-2010, 09:31 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chopstick</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sack316</div><div class="ubbcode-body">One time I got pulled over, my license had been suspended, as such I was not in possession of valid ID. I got to go downtown for a bit.

I'm not seeing what's so nuts about these laws.

Sack </div></div>

Same thing happened to me but if you were clearly an illegal then you would get a pass. </div></div>


<span style="color: #FF0000">You gentlemen obviously don't know the difference in being an Ameican citizen and a "victim" illegal here. You get arrested for that and you have to pay a lawyer. If you are illegal, you get half of the West Coast marching and waving Mexican flags at the courthouse. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

Q would love for us to do what they have, openly invite hoards of immigrants to come in, kill their citizens and, soon to be, take over the entire country as they are in Holland. </span>

LWW
05-03-2010, 10:14 AM
Europe has been conquered.

The only thing remaining is to see how long it takes until they officially switch from social democracies to Islamic caliphates.

LWW

Qtec
05-04-2010, 12:25 AM
In AZ you can get arrested for applauding!

Real Fascism.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Another Day in the Police State: Four Activists Arrested for Applauding at Supervisors Meeting
By Stephen Lemons, Wednesday, Dec. 17 2008 @ 2:23PM
Comments (13)
Categories: Feathered Bastard

While the rest of the civilized world is preparing for Christmas, here in Maricopa County, the Board of Supervisors is in complete meltdown, and members of the public are being arrested for applauding.

I kid you not. Following on the heels of Monday's arrest of several women in a peaceful demonstration by MCSA (Maricopa Citizens for Safety and Accountability) outside an executive BOS session, four individuals were arrested today during the public comment portion of the Supervisors' formal meeting, apparently for clapping. Two of the women collared today, Monica Sandchafer and Kristy Theilen, were part of the group taken into custody Monday as they were sitting quietly in a lobby area on the 10th floor of a county building.

Today's arrests include Quaker and community activist Jason Odhner, and ACORN organizer Joel Nelson. According to BOS spokesperson Richard De Uriarte, who attended today's meeting, BOS Chairman Andy Kunasek asked the audience to refrain from applauding speakers making comments during the call to the public. But when audience members continued to applaud those addressing the Supervisors, sheriff's deputies swooped in.

"Supervisor Kunasek asked them to refrain from applauding because the next speakers couldn't hear their names being called," said De Uriarte. "But then they stood up and gave one of the speakers an ovation, and at that point, Protective Services and sheriff's deputies started escorting them out. The arrests were made at that point."

Community activist Dan Peitzmeyer attended the proceedings. He said that when he arrived at the BOS meeting, there were numerous sheriff's SWAT team members present, boding ill.

"[Chairman Kunasek] called on someone to speak, but you couldn't hear who he called on," said Peitzmeyer, who is a regular attendee of BOS events. "When the applause died down, he said, `Please don't applaud, it makes it difficult for the person I called to hear their name.' He called her name again. The woman gets up to go down there, and the sergeant comes in and tells her she's under arrest.

"She said, `He just called on me to speak,'" recounted Peitzmeyer. "And he said, `You're under arrest, you can't speak.' Somebody else said something like, `What's the meaning of this?' And they said, `You're under arrest too.' It was like a police state thing."

Maricopa County Supervisor Mary Rose Wilcox issued a statement following the meeting calling the arrests "excessive and unwarranted."

"This was unfortunate," Wilcox stated of today's events, "and I was embarrassed for county government."
Wilcox noted that she understood that "law enforcement is in charge of security at our public meetings." However, she pointed out that, "These are our meetings, public board meetings, and our citizens deserve full access and an opportunity to address public issues."

She called on the board to "reexamine and revise" its security procedures, and stated her opinion that security should be provided by the Department of Protective Services alone, and not the MCSO.

Wilcox is to be applauded for her stand, though applauding her for it may earn you a night in the 4th Avenue Jail. Never is it more clear, considering the multi-count indictment of Supervisor Don Stapley and the County Attorney's ongoing fight with the BOS, that Maricopa County is run by Sheriff Joe Arpaio and his pasty-faced henchman Andrew Thomas. The Thomas-Arpaio junta even controls the BOS meetings like Saddam Hussein used to control his cabinet back in the day.

Arresting people for applauding. It's an all new low for the MCSO.</div></div>

freedom? (http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/arizona-sheriff-turns-county-meeting)

Q
BTW, Since Arpaio [ is that an American name? :)] went on his illegals hunt, crime has risen in his county!

Qtec
05-04-2010, 12:54 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Q would love for us to do what they have, openly invite hoards of immigrants to come in </div></div>

LMFAO....your WHOLE country is made up of immigrants!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> kill their citizens </div></div>

How many Americans in the USA have died at the hands of terorists in the last 5 years?
How many Americans in the USA have died at the hands of OTHER Americans in the last 5 years?
How many died at work?
Lets try and keep things in perspective. No need to be hysterical.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> and, soon to be, take over the entire country as they are in Holland. </div></div>

LOL. Did you get that titbit from Hannity?

BTW, have you seen the projections from the census bureau for 2042?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Immigration to the United States is what has produced its diverse population of today, and<span style='font-size: 14pt'> will continue to change its ethnic and racial makeup.</span> A 2008 report from the Census Bureau projects that by 2042, <span style='font-size: 20pt'>non-Hispanic whites will no longer make up the majority of the population.</span> This is a revision of earlier projections[clarification needed] which projected this demographic change to take place in 2050 </div></div>
ie Whites 46%, others 54%.

Everything changes, even America.

Q

LWW
05-04-2010, 07:11 AM
Again ... have you ever even read a single story that you post?

I can't believe that you have.

LWW

Gayle in MD
05-04-2010, 09:54 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sid_Vicious</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Dee...A few days ago, I was listening to CNN, there was a hispanic female raising hell about the law in AZ, and she said one time, "Hispanics are leaving Arizona and going back to Mexico already.", like that was supposed to impress Americans in some negative way. Woo-Hoo! Them leaving just means that this is effective by the sheer nature of itself. In other words, if the laws we ALREADY had here, were announced to be enforced, we wouldn't even need to have ICE running illegals down. I truly hope that all of the states mirror AZ. It's been said many, many times, but, WHAT PART OF ILLEGAL DON'T PEOPLE UNDERSTAND.

I say JUST really begin to enforce our laws across the nation, and let the problem evaporate naturally...illegal aliens, law breakers plain and simple, will cower down and relent and get the hell out of here. sid </div></div>


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> WHAT PART OF ILLEGAL DON'T PEOPLE UNDERSTAND.
</div></div>

I think I can answer that, friend. That would be the Reagan Part:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Here's what he said in a 1984 Presidential debate with Walter Mondale. Asked about the Simpson- Mazzoli bill, one that he signed into law in 1986, President Reagan argued, " I believe in the idea of amnesty for those who have put down roots and who have lived here, even though some time back they may have entered illegally." </div></div>

After that, they came by the droves! Reagan make a mockery of our immigration laws, and, "Well", we've all seen what happened after that.

Once again, Republican Policies have destroyed America as we once knew it.

G.

LWW
05-04-2010, 09:57 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LMFAO....your WHOLE country is made up of immigrants!

Q </div></div>

Ummmm ... no it isn't.

The British, French, Spanish, and Dutch colonies were.

LWW

LWW
05-04-2010, 10:29 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">After that, they came by the droves! Reagan make a mockery of our immigration laws, and, "Well", we've all seen what happened after that.

Once again, Republican Policies have destroyed America as we once knew it.

G. </div></div>

Sorry, but Simpson-Mazzoli was a bipartisan effort and Reagan agreed to a compromise between open borders and mass evacuation a la "OPERATION WETBACK" ... which was a true and beneficial conservative solution ... that included penalties on employers who hired illegals, and increased border enforcement.


The mass immigration began when Clinton-Gore realized that these folks were actually undocumented democratic voters and used their first legislative push to enact "MOTOR-VOTER" and push for registration of illegals.

This has continued through Obama and ACORN, even to the point of ACORN giving advice on how to run a child prostituion ring to fund a political campaign.

&gt;&gt;&gt;OH DEAR&lt;&lt;&lt; (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d099:SN01200:@@@L&summ2=m&|TOM:/bss/d099query.html)
&gt;&gt;&gt;OH MY&lt;&lt;&lt; (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Reform_and_Control_Act_of_1986)
&gt;&gt;&gt;GOOD GOSH&lt;&lt;&lt; (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Voter_Registration_Act_of_1993)

&gt;&gt;&gt;TRUTH VS TRUTHINESS&lt;&lt;&lt; (http://www.fraudfactor.com/fffl2kpreselection.html)

LWW

Chopstick
05-05-2010, 08:05 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> LMFAO....your WHOLE country is made up of immigrants! </div></div>
<span style="color: #000099">The whole planet is, when you put it that way.</span>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
How many Americans in the USA have died at the hands of terorists in the last 5 years?
How many Americans in the USA have died at the hands of OTHER Americans in the last 5 years?
How many died at work?
Lets try and keep things in perspective. No need to be hysterical. </div></div>

<span style="color: #000099">OK. Let's put things into perspective:

Number of Americans murdered by illegal aliens: 4,745 per year
Number of fatal traffic accidents involving illegals: 42,636 per year
Number of American children sexually assaulted by illegals: 8 per day 2,920 per year
Number of illegal alien sex offenders in the US: 240,000 with an average of 4 victims each

In April 2005, the Government Accountability Office released a report on a study of 55,322 illegal aliens incarcerated in federal, state, and local facilities during 2003. It found the following:

* The 55,322 illegal aliens studied represented a total of 459,614 arrests some eight arrests per illegal alien;

* Their arrests represented a total of about 700,000 criminal offenses some 13 offenses per illegal alien;

* 36 percent had been arrested at least five times before.

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>93 sex offenders and 12 serial sexual offenders come across U.S. borders illegally every day.</span>

Should I continue? Oh well, why not?

Illegal aliens linked to gang-rape wave
The crime epidemic no one will talk about?
Posted: August 22, 2006
1:00 am Eastern

A wave of illegal-immigrant gang rapes is sweeping the U.S. while public officials and law-enforcement authorities fear drawing the link, experts say.

Deborah Schurman-Kauflin, a Ph.D. researcher of violent crimes, told WorldNetDaily, "It appears as if there is a fear that if this is honestly discussed, people will hate all illegal immigrants. So there is silence. But in being silent about the rapes and murders, it is as if the victims never even existed."

The Violent Crimes Institute study established a pattern of escalating offenses among illegal aliens, whose first offense was illegally entering the U.S.

Schurman-Kauflin told WND, "Illegal immigrants who commit sex crimes first cross the U.S. border illegally, then gradually commit worse crimes and are continually released back into society or deported. Those who were deported simply returned illegally again. There is a clear pattern of criminal escalation. From misdemeanors such as assault or DUI, to drug offenses, illegal immigrants who commit sex crimes break U.S. laws repeatedly."

Most of the offenders reported in the study were located in states with the highest numbers of illegal immigrants. California was No. 1, followed by Texas, Arizona, New Jersey, New York and Florida. The 1,500 offenders studied had a total of 5,999 victims averaging four victims each. Of those studied, 525, or 35 percent, were child molestations, 358, or 24 percent, were rapes, and 617, or 41 percent, were sexual homicides and serial murders.


# Ninety-five percent of warrants for murder in Los Angeles, Calif. are for illegal aliens.

# Eighty-three percent of warrants for murder in Phoenix, Ariz. are for illegal aliens.

# Eighty-six percent of warrants for murder in Albuquerque, N.M., are for illegal aliens.

# Seventy-five percent of people on the "Most Wanted" list in Los Angeles, Phoenix, and Albuquerque are illegal aliens.

# Twenty-five percent of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals who are here illegally.

# Forty percent of all inmates in Arizona detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.

# Forty-eight percent of all inmates in New Mexico detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.

# Twenty-nine percent (630,000) convicted illegal alien felons occupy our state and federal prisons at a cost of $1.6 billion annually.

# More than 53 percent of burglaries in California, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona, and Texas are perpetrated by illegal aliens.

# More than half of all gang members in Los Angeles are illegal aliens from south of the border.

# More than 70 percent of all cars stolen in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada, and California are stolen by illegals.

# Forty-seven percent of drivers stopped by police in California have no license, insurance, or registration; and of that 47 percent, 92 percent are illegal aliens.

# Sixty-three percent of stopped drivers in Arizona have no license, insurance, or registration for the vehicle. Of that 63 percent, 97 percent are illegal aliens.

# Sixty-six percent of stopped drivers in New Mexico have no license, insurance, or registration; and of that 66 percent, 98 percent are illegals.

Fifty-five percent of Mexican Americans consider themselves to be Mexican first.






How does an illegal alien get arrested multiple times for violent crimes and still remain in this country?

Seriously, would you put up with this?

</span>

Deeman3
05-05-2010, 08:19 AM
Chopstick,

These "undocumented visitors" are obviously victims of the racist policies of these communities where all are not free to rape, rob and plunder. You must take a more accepting and understanding viewpoint. Once they breed here, it is on your dime. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

Sid_Vicious
05-05-2010, 08:43 AM
The wimpiest, soft hearted liberal of them all, and every money grubbing rightie capitalizing on cheap labor, should throw up in their morning cereal knowing these statistics Chopstick. I know regular Americans who have gone DOWN, prison, for simple possession of pot, a passive drug by all means, and yet these violent non residents are allowed all of these extended graces! This sucks! sid