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Qtec
05-07-2010, 05:37 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Republicans Go Back to Hyping Terrorism
From: Tapped By: Adam Serwer

<u>Yesterday, when the primary suspect in the attempted bombing of Times Square was a middle aged white guy, Republican leaders were the picture of calm, sober leadership.</u> High ranking Republicans on committees related to national security like Pete Hoekstra and Peter King <u>urged people not to jump to conclusions</u>, while Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell praised New Yorkers for not succumbing to fear. Likewise, hawkish Senator Joe Lieberman, who has tended to side with Republicans on national security issues, issued a statement yesterday saying, <u>“More than anything, terrorists want to instill terror. They want to create a wide and broad sense of fear among ordinary people. The resilience shown by New Yorkers robs terrorists of that power."</u>

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>That was yesterday</span>. Today, as in the aftermath of the failed underwear bombing on Christmas Day, Republicans are eager to give that power back. <u>With the Justice Department announcing the arrest of Faisal Shahzad, a Pakistani born American citizen and Connecticut resident in connection with the failed plot, Republicans have returned to their usual script.</u> Contrasting McConnell's careful statement from yesterday, Rep. Eric Cantor complained that Americans really don't live in the kind of perpetual panic that the threat of terrorism necessitates:

Cantor complained that the public "goes on heightened alert" after such incidents for "hours and days rather than permanently" and that Obama aides "tend to give these warnings due attention only in limited spurts."

Senator John McCain, appearing on the Imus show, warned the administration against reading Shahzad, an American citizen, his Miranda rights:

"Obviously that would be a serious mistake until all the information is gathered," McCain said during an appearance on "Imus in the Morning" when asked whether the suspect, 30-year-old Faisal Shahzad, a naturalized American citizen from Pakistan.

Not content to be merely opposed to due process for foreigners accused of terrorism, McCain wants to deny American citizens their rights to due process as well. Indeed, McCain and Lieberman recently introduced a bill that would allow the government to hold U.S. citizens indefinitely without charge. Needless to say, things like Mirandization were non-issues for McCain during the Bush administration, when more than 403 convictions were secured through the civilian justice system.

<u>Suffice it to say that Republicans have jettisoned entirely the notion of the presumption of innocence when dealing with Muslims accused of terrorism--whether or not they're American citizens. </u>On the issue of whether Shahzad could be held as an enemy combatant, the answer is it could try, but previous attempts at doing so worked out poorly both from the perspective of justice and intelligence gathering. This isn't a national security policy issue, it's a culture war issue--the GOP is against giving "those people" rights. As for Miranda rights, I've dealt with that whole myth before, there's nothing about Mirandization that prevents intelligence gathering. There is a public safety exception to the Miranda laws and counter-terrorism officials know when and how to use it.

Watching the GOP leadership return to a narrative in which they're contributing to the hysteria that terrorists are looking to provoke <span style='font-size: 17pt'>is disappointing, but utterly predictable.</span> The only reason they took this long is that the initial reports weren't clear that Muslim extremists were likely behind the plot.<u> The contrast between the GOP reaction today and yesterday offers a pretty clear example of just how blatantly issues of national security have become politicized.</u>
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There are monkeys in Borneo who know the GOP is full of $-it, but half of America can't/won't see it!

Q..amazing

Sev
05-07-2010, 05:46 AM
Just think how different the narrative would be if the bomb went off.

By all accounts the entire investigation has been bumbled.

Inside addition showed up at the Fasisils and found all sorts or evidence that the FBI apparently missed. Expired passport and several other passports as well as expense and tax records.

Pretty scary when Inside Addition is doing better work than the FBI.
I also heard the New York Times reporters as was well as another paper may have found evidence the FBI missed.

Qtec
05-07-2010, 06:14 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">By all accounts the entire investigation<span style='font-size: 20pt'> has been bumbled. </span></div></div>

LMAO.

It took them <span style='font-size: 20pt'>53 hours to catch the guy! Who I might say has made a full confession that will stand up in court! What more do you want?</span>

I remember GW Bush telling the country that he would stop at nothing to bring the perpetrators of 9/11 to justice.

go get em George (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1uUejf5-zU)

Later on, the mastermind behind the 9/11 attack didn't really concern him!

Bush looks concerned (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PGmnz5Ow-o)

Q

Gayle in MD
05-07-2010, 06:33 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">By all accounts the entire investigation<span style='font-size: 20pt'> has been bumbled. </span></div></div>

LMAO.

It took them <span style='font-size: 20pt'>53 hours to catch the guy! Who I might say has made a full confession that will stand up in court! What more do you want?</span>

I remember GW Bush telling the country that he would stop at nothing to bring the perpetrators of 9/11 to justice.

go get em George (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1uUejf5-zU)

Later on, the mastermind behind the 9/11 attack didn't really concern him!

Bush looks concerned (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PGmnz5Ow-o)

Q

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"Where is bin Laden now?"
Bush answers:

"I don't know where he is. He's hiding. "I don't think about him."


I guess he didn't think about him, he was too busy trashing Iraq, ignoring the true threats, expanding al Qaeda, destroying our reputation. Breaking our laws, and pushing for oil contracts in Iraq.

The Republicans are a real joke. Cantor is one of the worst. McCain has taken the place of Bush, the biggest liar around. second only to McConnell. Boehner doesn't even know the difference between the Constitution and the Bill Of Rights.

Idiots.

G.

Sev
05-07-2010, 06:40 AM
They would not have caught him if the Emirate airline had not phoned in.

The authorities had lost him and had no idea where he was.

The plane was on the tarmac and moving.

There is a lot damage control going on. The investigation has not been all peaches and cream.

I think its great that he was captured. However it appears it was more by luck than anything else.

Sev
05-07-2010, 06:45 AM
The funniest thing is that after all the speculationg that that guy was a Tea Partier or somebody disgrunted about Obamacare. He turns out to be a registered <u>DEMOCRAT</u>!!!

How ironic. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

Gayle in MD
05-07-2010, 06:49 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The funniest thing is that after all the speculationg that that guy was a Tea Partier or somebody disgrunted about Obamacare. He turns out to be a registered <u>DEMOCRAT</u>!!!

How ironic. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif </div></div>

He was not a registered Democrat. In fact, he was not registered at all. Ever try fact checking before you post?

G.

Sev
05-07-2010, 06:54 AM
Thats what the media reported and what I was going by.

I suppose they could be wrong.

LWW
05-07-2010, 04:58 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thats what the media reported and what I was going by.

I suppose they could be wrong. </div></div>

You are arguing with a party agitprop.

The original source has admitted they were unable to verify his registration status.

Above and beyond doing the right thing, they did something that Media Matters ... and other leftists sources ... are never willing to do.

To the gloaters all I have to remind them of is Debbie Schlussel who was accepted blindly and without question even though every statement made against Sean Hannity was a lie.

What's even more amazing ... after they insisted that DS should be believed at face value, they turned around and discredited her out of hand because of her comments about Media Matters being a mouthpiece of former Nazi George Soros. The fact that that claim was correct ... albeit embellished by DS as Soros was a Nazi only as a child ... was irrelevant to them.

Discussing things with people who believe that "TRUTH" is a malleable concept is entirely fruitless, although sometimes entertaining.

LWW