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Qtec
05-19-2010, 05:45 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 14pt'>The support of Beck and other radio hosts -- mainly conservatives like Mark Levin and Fred Thompson -- <u>who spend 55 minutes creating fear of an economic collapse and then five minutes telling you why coins from a company like Goldline are the only safe haven </u>has helped Goldline become a $500 million company.</span>

This, for example, is what 2 million TV viewers who clicked on Beck's nightly Fox News Channel show heard on Oct. 6, 2009:

<span style="color: #3333FF">You don’t have any gold, right? This is you. This is you. This is your savings. How much did you lose if you had any money in your 401k? Did you lose, let’s say, I don’t know, 40 percent of it? So, that’s gone. Now, did you know that the dollar has lost nearly 29 percent of its value in the last seven years? Twenty-nine percent. OK, that’s gone. Just gone.</span>

This isn't an advertisement, although it may sound like one. It's the editorial content of the show, although at some point during the hour viewers are sure to see an ad for Goldline with their "800" number prominently displayed. Meanwhile, visitors to GlennBeck.com see a big ad for Goldline, while visitors to Goldline.com can see testimonials from Beck for Goldline. <u>It's hard to know sometimes where Beck -- who famously told his viewers to get behind <span style='font-size: 17pt'>"God, gold, and guns"</span> -- ends and Goldline begins.</u> </div></div>

Now I get it, beck is not crazy. He is just another liar, cheat and a fraud who would sell his own Grandmother. Just another piece of slime who will say anything and everything to line their own pockets.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">At this hour, Weiner is holding a news conference not only call out Goldline as <span style='font-size: 17pt'>"a company that uses conservative rhetoric, high pressure sales tactics and tall tales about the future of gold to sell over priced coins that can be bought somewhere else for cheaper,"</span> but to ask regulators from the Federal Trade Commission and Securities and Exchange Commission to investigate its tactics.

Weiner's staff investigated Goldline and found that the coins it sells are not the good investment that its salesmen -- who are not licensed investment advisers -- claim that it is to consumers, <u>because the price of gold would essentially have to double beyond its current high to begin seeing any gains. Specially, the investigators found Goldline coins selling for 90 percent above the melt value of the coin, that is, its value by weight. The largest markup seen on a coin, Weiner said, was 208 percent above the melt value.</u>

"In the past there is always the “product” that is either the next big thing (the dot com boom) or the investment that will never go down in price (the housing market), <span style='font-size: 17pt'>and in the past much of the media has failed in its duty to conduct due diligence, but never before have they worked so hand in hand to cheat consumers,"</span> <u>Weiner said in his prepared report. <span style='font-size: 20pt'>"Commentators like Glenn Beck who are shilling for Goldline are either the worst financial advisers around or knowingly lying to their loyal viewers."</u></span>

<span style="color: #990000">Wow. Glenn beck owned big time.</span>

Adds Weiner:

Goldline’s high pressure sales tactics and fear mongering about big government as well as their ability to hire sales staff and spokespeople who misrepresent their roles are case studies in why entities like the SEC and FTC are necessary.

The Brooklyn congressman sent letters to the heads of the FTC and the SEC requesting that some of Goldline's more questionable tactics be investigated. In addition, he says he will propose legislation requiring full disclosure of hidden fees, the purchase price/Melt value/Resale value, and how much the cost of gold will need to rise in the value for the customers’ investment to be profitable. All common sense ideas.

Look, <u>no one but Beck himself -- whose made a career out of gaining trust from his listeners only to sell them a bad investment that also enriches him through endorsement fees</u> -- and Goldline International are to blame for this mess. But of course, Beck is doing what he does best and blaming the messengers, accusing them of "McCarthyism" by going after his sponsors. That has nothing to do with this -- it's about consumer protection. If Beck endorsed companies that didn't use questionable sales tactics, there would be no story. And frankly, Weiner wouldn't even be involved if the SEC and the FTC had been doing their jobs in the first place. </div></div>

link (http://mediamatters.org/blog/201005180023)

Q..............I predict the rapid demise of Beck.

LWW
05-19-2010, 06:42 AM
What is your point ... other than for the last several years they have been dead on about gold versus fiat currency.

How's that whole central bank - fiat money - Euro thing working out anyways?

Do you even pay attention to what you post?

LWW

LWW
05-19-2010, 06:44 AM
http://monex.com/images/charts/GBX_LINE_1825DAY.PNG

TRUTH VS TRUTHINESS

LWW

Qtec
05-19-2010, 07:04 AM
"Trust the people at Goldline"

link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlworUA84k4&feature=player_embedded)

link (http://www.goldline.com/d/index.html?id=544&utm_source=glennbeck.com)

Jon says it best.

link (http://vodpod.com/watch/2677618-the-daily-show-beck-not-so-mellow-gold)

Q

eg8r
05-19-2010, 10:16 AM
You are calling Beck a liar because he is telling people that the value of a dollar has decreased and that their 401k has been reduced?

eg8r

Gayle in MD
05-19-2010, 11:56 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 14pt'>The support of Beck and other radio hosts -- mainly conservatives like Mark Levin and Fred Thompson -- <u>who spend 55 minutes creating fear of an economic collapse and then five minutes telling you why coins from a company like Goldline are the only safe haven </u>has helped Goldline become a $500 million company.</span>

This, for example, is what 2 million TV viewers who clicked on Beck's nightly Fox News Channel show heard on Oct. 6, 2009:

<span style="color: #3333FF">You don’t have any gold, right? This is you. This is you. This is your savings. How much did you lose if you had any money in your 401k? Did you lose, let’s say, I don’t know, 40 percent of it? So, that’s gone. Now, did you know that the dollar has lost nearly 29 percent of its value in the last seven years? Twenty-nine percent. OK, that’s gone. Just gone.</span>

This isn't an advertisement, although it may sound like one. It's the editorial content of the show, although at some point during the hour viewers are sure to see an ad for Goldline with their "800" number prominently displayed. Meanwhile, visitors to GlennBeck.com see a big ad for Goldline, while visitors to Goldline.com can see testimonials from Beck for Goldline. <u>It's hard to know sometimes where Beck -- who famously told his viewers to get behind <span style='font-size: 17pt'>"God, gold, and guns"</span> -- ends and Goldline begins.</u> </div></div>

Now I get it, beck is not crazy. He is just another liar, cheat and a fraud who would sell his own Grandmother. Just another piece of slime who will say anything and everything to line their own pockets.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">At this hour, Weiner is holding a news conference not only call out Goldline as <span style='font-size: 17pt'>"a company that uses conservative rhetoric, high pressure sales tactics and tall tales about the future of gold to sell over priced coins that can be bought somewhere else for cheaper,"</span> but to ask regulators from the Federal Trade Commission and Securities and Exchange Commission to investigate its tactics.

Weiner's staff investigated Goldline and found that the coins it sells are not the good investment that its salesmen -- who are not licensed investment advisers -- claim that it is to consumers, <u>because the price of gold would essentially have to double beyond its current high to begin seeing any gains. Specially, the investigators found Goldline coins selling for 90 percent above the melt value of the coin, that is, its value by weight. The largest markup seen on a coin, Weiner said, was 208 percent above the melt value.</u>

"In the past there is always the “product” that is either the next big thing (the dot com boom) or the investment that will never go down in price (the housing market), <span style='font-size: 17pt'>and in the past much of the media has failed in its duty to conduct due diligence, but never before have they worked so hand in hand to cheat consumers,"</span> <u>Weiner said in his prepared report. <span style='font-size: 20pt'>"Commentators like Glenn Beck who are shilling for Goldline are either the worst financial advisers around or knowingly lying to their loyal viewers."</u></span>

<span style="color: #990000">Wow. Glenn beck owned big time.</span>

Adds Weiner:

Goldline’s high pressure sales tactics and fear mongering about big government as well as their ability to hire sales staff and spokespeople who misrepresent their roles are case studies in why entities like the SEC and FTC are necessary.

The Brooklyn congressman sent letters to the heads of the FTC and the SEC requesting that some of Goldline's more questionable tactics be investigated. In addition, he says he will propose legislation requiring full disclosure of hidden fees, the purchase price/Melt value/Resale value, and how much the cost of gold will need to rise in the value for the customers’ investment to be profitable. All common sense ideas.

Look, <u>no one but Beck himself -- whose made a career out of gaining trust from his listeners only to sell them a bad investment that also enriches him through endorsement fees</u> -- and Goldline International are to blame for this mess. But of course, Beck is doing what he does best and blaming the messengers, accusing them of "McCarthyism" by going after his sponsors. That has nothing to do with this -- it's about consumer protection. If Beck endorsed companies that didn't use questionable sales tactics, there would be no story. And frankly, Weiner wouldn't even be involved if the SEC and the FTC had been doing their jobs in the first place. </div></div>

link (http://mediamatters.org/blog/201005180023)

Q..............I predict the rapid demise of Beck. </div></div>


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/18/glenn-beck-hits-2010-rati_n_580440.html


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Glenn Beck has hit a new low for the year -- literally.

Beck's Fox News program saw its worst ratings of 2010 Friday, averaging just 1.776 million total viewers. Of course, that's more than his competitors -- MSNBC's "Hardball" (528,000), CNN's "Situation Room" (481,000) and HLN's "Showbiz Tonight" (197,000) -- combined, but it represents a continuation of a trend that began last month.

For the month of April, Glenn Beck suffered his first year-over-year decline since joining Fox News in January 2009, declining 7% in total viewers and 6% in the demo compared to April 2009. Moreover, Beck shed 28% of his audience between January and April in both total viewers and the demo.

Friday's program was Beck's fifth worst since joining Fox News.

Politicususa's Jason Easley notes that Friday's total was "50% off of [Beck's] peak audience of 3.4 million" total viewers.

Beasley also writes that Beck is losing viewers because he sees himself as a political force more than an entertainer:

The root of the problem remains Glenn Beck himself. Beck fancies himself to be a political leader now, not an entertainer. On his radio show on April 20, Beck said, "When we were, and I've never told this story before, when we were starting the TV show, there were things that I did that I wouldn't do now because I had to be more of an entertainer to get people to go what is this show at five o'clock? I never said anything I didn't believe, but I may have said things in an entertaining fashion." The problem is that viewers don't seem to like the new serious Glenn Beck.
This, however, directly contradicts a statement Beck gave to Forbes in April.



"I could give a flying crap about the political process," he told the magazine. "We're an entertainment company." </div></div>

Hey, make up your mind, Glen...

LWW
05-19-2010, 02:09 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You are calling Beck a liar because he is telling people that the value of a dollar has decreased and that their 401k has been reduced?

eg8r </div></div>

It's beyond that.

He's calling people a liar because they told the truth.

This thread is his most Orwellian to date.

LWW

sack316
05-19-2010, 05:53 PM
Also shilling for Goldline:

Thom Hartmann, Randi Rhodes, Bill Press, Ed Schultz, and a number of other more liberal radio hosts. Where are their threads?

Sack

LWW
05-20-2010, 02:20 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sack316</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Also shilling for Goldline:

Thom Hartmann, Randi Rhodes, Bill Press, Ed Schultz, and a number of other more liberal radio hosts. Where are their threads?

Sack
</div></div>
They are aligned with dearest leader so they are believed to be telling the truth when they give the same pitch.

With doublethink, all things are possible.

LWW

sack316
05-20-2010, 05:45 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sack316</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Also shilling for Goldline:

Thom Hartmann, Randi Rhodes, Bill Press, Ed Schultz, and a number of other more liberal radio hosts. Where are their threads?

Sack
</div></div>
They are aligned with dearest leader so they are believed to be telling the truth when they give the same pitch.

With doublethink, all things are possible.

LWW </div></div>

Indeed sir. I'd love to see an answer from Q or someone on this one. The thread, by my interpretation is intended to 'expose' Beck as a liar. But looking at the content:

401Ks lost money=Truth
Value of the dollar decreased=Truth
Shilling for Goldline: Beck indeed does. As does Hannity and several other RW pundits. But as does the aforementioned lefties along with several other LW pundits.

Guess by the logic in this thread... they are ALL liars. Which may well be true, even. But they should all get their mention, not just GB /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

Sack

LWW
05-20-2010, 06:08 AM
Dearest leader forbids such rational thought by his followers.

LWW

LWW
05-20-2010, 06:17 AM
BTW ... Debbie Schlussel convinced me of the utter inability to reason of a couple of our leftist members.

Remember her?

She's the one who it was claimed we must trust, even though all evidence demonstrated her to be a liar, because she claimed Hannity was robbing from a charity ... <u>BUT</u> ... we must also believe she is completely unreliable and a liar as a source because she says that the demokooks received funding from a former Nazi in George Soros.

The amazing thing is that the Soros claim has some validity ... although I would agree that claiming a kid was a Nazi because he worked for them at something like age 10 or 12 is very much a stretch and ridiculous.

To the far left Obamatroms, truth is an entirely malleable concept.

Orwell nailed it.

LWW

Qtec
05-21-2010, 02:56 AM
No.

Q

Qtec
05-21-2010, 02:57 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sack316</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Also shilling for Goldline:

Thom Hartmann, Randi Rhodes, Bill Press, Ed Schultz, and a number of other more liberal radio hosts. Where are their threads?

Sack
</div></div>

Are you saying GB is doing nothing wrong?

Q

Qtec
05-21-2010, 03:31 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A shill is person who is paid to help another person or organization to sell goods or services. The shill <u>pretends to have no association with the seller/group and gives onlookers the impression that he or she is an enthusiastic customer.</u> The person or group that hires the shill is using crowd psychology, to encourage other onlookers or audience members (who are unaware of the set-up) to purchase said goods or services. Shills are often employed by confidence artists. The term plant is also used. The term is also used to describe a person who is paid to help a political party or other advocacy organization to gain adherents; as with the situation of selling goods or services, the shill gives the impression of being unrelated to the group in question, and gives the impression that he or she finds merit in the ideological claims of the political party. </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In fairness, liberal talkers like Randi Rhodes and Ed Schultz have also personally recorded ads for sponsors who sell gold, but they don't spend all their time predicting Obama will end the world. </div></div>

Q...... more (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1209/30231.html)

LWW
05-21-2010, 05:31 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No.

Q </div></div>

Then what was the point of this thread?

LWW

LWW
05-21-2010, 05:32 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sack316</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Also shilling for Goldline:

Thom Hartmann, Randi Rhodes, Bill Press, Ed Schultz, and a number of other more liberal radio hosts. Where are their threads?

Sack
</div></div>

Are you saying GB is doing nothing wrong?

Q </div></div>

I took his quote to mean that you only think it's wrong when a conservative does it.

Do you thin GB did anything wrong?

Do you think the others did anything wrong?

LWW

LWW
05-21-2010, 05:37 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A shill is person who is paid to help another person or organization to sell goods or services. The shill <u>pretends to have no association with the seller/group and gives onlookers the impression that he or she is an enthusiastic customer.</u>

Q...... more (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1209/30231.html) </div></div>

OK ... that clearly hasn't happened. It is obvious to a drug addled monkey that the ads are a paid endorsement.

LWW

LWW
05-21-2010, 05:38 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The person or group that hires the shill is using crowd psychology, to encourage other onlookers or audience members (who are unaware of the set-up) to purchase said goods or services.

Q...... more (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1209/30231.html) </div></div>

That didn't happen either, do I detect a trend?

LWW

LWW
05-21-2010, 05:42 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Shills are often employed by confidence artists. The term plant is also used. The term is also used to describe a person who is paid to help a political party or other advocacy organization to gain adherents; as with the situation of selling goods or services, the shill gives the impression of being unrelated to the group in question, and gives the impression that he or she finds merit in the ideological claims of the political party.

Q...... more (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1209/30231.html) </div></div>

OK ... now, that has happened. The problem for you is that Beck hasn't been doing it ... but the demokooks have been doing it for years with plants at town halls, debates, tea party protests, the Tawanna Brawly debacle, and countless other demokook shams.

So, to boil your argument down ... Beck is bad because the dems use the tactics you lament and he doesn't?

Again ... do you ever even read the stuff you plaster the forum with? You can't IMHO. You appear to be another cut and paste and run like G who just grabs boilerplate assaults from moonbat sites and spreads them as you handlers tell you to.

LWW

sack316
05-21-2010, 05:52 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A shill is person who is paid to help another person or organization to sell goods or services. The shill <u>pretends to have no association with the seller/group and gives onlookers the impression that he or she is an enthusiastic customer.</u> The person or group that hires the shill is using crowd psychology, to encourage other onlookers or audience members (who are unaware of the set-up) to purchase said goods or services. Shills are often employed by confidence artists. The term plant is also used. The term is also used to describe a person who is paid to help a political party or other advocacy organization to gain adherents; as with the situation of selling goods or services, the shill gives the impression of being unrelated to the group in question, and gives the impression that he or she finds merit in the ideological claims of the political party. </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In fairness, liberal talkers like Randi Rhodes and Ed Schultz have also personally recorded ads for sponsors who sell gold, but they don't spend all their time predicting Obama will end the world. </div></div>

Q...... more (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1209/30231.html) </div></div>

Other acceptable definition:

Main Entry: shill
Pronunciation: \ˈshil\
Function: intransitive verb
Etymology: 2shill
Date: circa 1914
1 : to act as a shill
2 : <u>to act as a spokesperson or promoter</u>

That said, even were your "point" (generous use of the term) valid, that would change my point how exactly?

Yep, Beck is sponsored by Goldline. Yep so are the other people I mentioned. Give Air America a listen one day and let me know how many times you hear Goldline mentioned.

This thread= one of your worst.

Sack

LWW
05-21-2010, 07:24 AM
Beck is the new Bush.

The left hates him solely because they are told they hate him.

Not one of them knows what he stands for.

Not one has read any of his books.

Not one has ever watched a full episode of his TV show.

Not one has ever listened to a full episode of his radio show.

None of that matters.

The party gins them up with the daily "TWO MINUTES HATE" and they obediently hate.

LWW

Qtec
05-22-2010, 03:29 AM
Every radio show host does commercials. When they do it, we know its a commercial.

If Beck was genuine he would have NOW called out Goldline for their predatory selling. He would have said, "I didn't know they were ripping the people off who I recommended to buy gold."

He didn't.

Goldline testimonials. I don't see Ed Schultz there, do you? (http://www.goldline.com/goldline-testimonials)

Beck's show/dis-infomercial/whatever he calls it or himself, is based on fear mongering. The scary fact is that the Tea Party supporters think he is for real. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/eek.gif
What they don't know is that Beck's endless [ every show ] 'imminent disaster' fantasies/predictions are designed to create fear and induce people to buy gold from Goldline, who are then ripping those same people off. Most off whom would never have bought gold if it wasn't for Glenn Beck.


Its a scam. If Beck, as he claims, buys his gold from Goldline then is also getting ripped off.

Q

link (http://consumerist.com/2010/05/is-the-government-coming-for-your-gold.html)
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Goldline, a company that sells gold coins, has an important announcement: coin collectors made out well in the 1930s and were protected from "the whims and vagaries of a spendthrift government."

So why should anybody care about this now?

One reason is that gold prices are hitting record highs, so sellers of the precious metal are shifting their marketing into high gear. While we're not about to tell you whether or not gold is a good investment (we're sure you'll tell us in the coments, though), we're pretty confident of one thing: The government is not about to come and confiscate your bullion.

Goldline shares this history lesson:


Times were very good for many Americans in the mid- to late-1920s: the stock market had grown exponentially -- driven, in part, by a frenzy of investing which sent stock prices well beyond their true value. In 1929, the frenzy ended. Black Tuesday started a stock market crash which ultimately led to the Great Depression. By 1933, the demoralized nation looked to Washington, D.C. and President Franklin D. Roosevelt for salvation. Seeking to inflate the dollar in an effort to combat the depression, the United States government issued an order confiscating gold bullion from American citizens under threat of fines or imprisonment. There were certain limited exceptions. One of the most notable exceptions was that Americans could continue to own: "gold coins having a recognized special value to collectors of rare and unusual coins."


For the most part, though, the law was never enforced, and was later overturned. Today, Americans can own as much gold as they can fit in their hidden book safes, safe deposit boxes, or buried backyard bunkers.

But never mind that. According to Goldline, "the events of the 1930s and the decades that followed help to prove the importance of owning collectible gold coins." Goldline customers can even get a free copy of Executive Order 6102 printed on faux parchment. We really want to say something about this not being worth the paper it's printed on, but we're sure Goldline has already beaten us to it. </div></div>

Obama wants your gold. Only coins can save you.

LWW
05-22-2010, 09:39 AM
How're those Euros doing against gold nowadays?

LWW

eg8r
05-22-2010, 10:51 AM
Then why don't you spell out what you "exposing" about him in your own words...

eg8r

sack316
05-22-2010, 02:12 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Then why don't you spell out what you "exposing" about him in your own words...

eg8r </div></div>

I'd like to know that too.

That he's sponsored by goldline? Well, it's already shown that he, and many other right wingers along with Air America and many left wingers are as well (use of the word 'sponsor' instead of 'shill' to prevent that little end around again).

That 401Ks and the dollar decreased in value, or that gold has increased? Well, each of those statement are in fact true.

That he works seamlessly into commercials, blurring the line between content and sponsor statements? Well, perhaps that is true. But nobody did that better than Paul Harvey, and I see no complaints about him.

The opinion of the use of fear mongering to sell product? Hmmm, I suppose that could be valid depending on one's perspective. But that's the same opinion the left has had of Beck for quite some time now. So I wouldn't quite classify that as "exposing".

Seems their opinion of Beck's style is akin to yelling "fire" in a movie theater. Which is wrong in every instance... EXCEPT for when it IS on fire. We've been on fire for quite some time now.

I sometimes agree with Beck, I sometimes don't. I understand why some people take issue with his hyper-aggro in your face style. But either way, I'm glad someone is just crazy enough to yell loud enough to make people think, question, and keep others accountable.

Sack

sack316
05-22-2010, 02:27 PM
To be fair, and present the other side, though... it is true an investment strategy such as dealing through Goldline directly is not a very good idea.

Their markup on coins is much higher than a similar purchase could be done elsewhere if one wanted the 'physical presence' of gold.

The tax rate on owning physical gold is nearly double that of purchasing gold stocks/bonds as a commodity for those making over $34K/yr. If you make under $34K, the long term capital gains rate is actually zero for the commodity option.

They sell gold to you at the buy price, but they buyback at a fraction under the bid price. To put it simply, based on their average markup (from 'buy' to 'bid') the value of gold would have to nearly double (90%) in order to create a return on investment. This does not include any taxes.

There are also numerous other fees associated with storage (if necessary), conversion, liquidation, and delivery.

Bottom line: all the talk about gold being a solid investment--- stable against inflation, and long term proven increase in value is all true. BUT the investment through Goldline itself is like swimming upstream when compared to other methods of investing in gold (or other precious metals for that matter).

So from that perspective, Q is actually correct. But, for the topic of this thread itself, it changes nothing in relation to all the others who are sponsored by this company in addition to Beck.

Sack

Qtec
05-24-2010, 05:33 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> BUT the investment through Goldline itself is like swimming upstream when compared to other methods of investing in gold (or other precious metals for that matter).

So from that perspective, Q is actually correct. </div></div>

Tap, Tap, Tap, Sack for just acknowledging that point.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Gun sales soar amid fears of Barack Obama weapons ban </div></div>

Where did all the hysteria come from to drive guns sales so high? Guns..Gold..? That's 2 of the 3 Guns Gold and God,,,,,,,,,,,directly from the lips of the lunatic Glenn Beck.



I can't ever remember when Obama said "I'm going to take your guns."

caught in the act (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOynBwfpOMU)

"that's your choice".....[.and if you dont agree with me youré an idiot, a traitor, a Lefty, Obamatron.....etc etc etc. ]

Q

eg8r
05-24-2010, 03:04 PM
Sack this is exactly why you should never have made your second post. Qtip does not appear to be able to think for himself and he was waiting for someone to respond for him.

eg8r

wolfdancer
05-24-2010, 03:11 PM
Ed, that post reads like something lww or steve would write....and You are better then that.
I don't think as well versed as Q is, that he needs some Sack, or anybody here to explain things to him.

eg8r
05-24-2010, 03:15 PM
I disagree with the praise you heap on qtip. I don't really think he is versed in anything and his posts generally prove my point. His posts generally are copy/paste jobs with some bold and enlarged font here and there. Take this post of his as an example...He chose to use what Sack said "for him" instead of responding to my post with his own thoughts. You might not have agreed with my delivery but the end result proves my point over and over again.

eg8r

Qtec
05-25-2010, 05:12 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I disagree with the praise you heap on <u>qtip.</u></div></div>

How can anyone take you serious when you persist with these childlike name calling? Grow up.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I don't really think he is versed in anything and his posts generally prove my point.</div></div>

Only in wingnut land....ie inside your head.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> His posts generally are copy/paste jobs with some bold and enlarged font here and there. Take this post of his as an example...He chose to use what Sack said "for him" instead of responding to my post with his own thoughts. You might not have agreed with my delivery but the end result proves my point over and over again.

eg8r </div></div>

I have no idea what you are talking about but after your first post, I made another 6 posts explaining my standpoint and if you are too dumb to understand my drift, them that's your problem.

BTW, this was your first post.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You are calling Beck a liar because he is telling people that the value of a dollar has decreased and that their 401k has been reduced?

eg8r </div></div>
My answer was no.
Do you know what 'no' means.........even my dog does.


Q

Gayle in MD
05-25-2010, 06:16 AM
Tap Tap Tap, Sack, good analysis, but:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So from that perspective, Q is actually correct. But, for the topic of this thread itself, <span style='font-size: 14pt'>it changes nothing in relation to all the others who are sponsored by this company in addition to Beck.</span>Sack
</div></div>

Do they all use the same approach, as far as their on camera handling of the sponsorship from this company?

That's the difference between Beck, and the others you mention, IMHO.

There is a difference between airing commercials from a sponsor, and peddling for it, when you stand to gain financially.

I think Beck goes much farther than merely showing commercials for a sponsor.

G.

G.

Diane_G
08-05-2010, 04:46 AM
Glenn Beck is now part of the headlines today. Do you think he's also responsible to the issue being discussed about Goldline? A ubiquitous part of Glenn Beck's programming is his endorsement of the gold vendor Goldline (http://personalmoneystore.com/moneyblog/2010/07/29/glenn-beck-goldline/). Beck and Goldline seem to be taking advantage of the concerns individuals have had about keeping their U.S. dollars instead of switching for gold. However, as blogs like Mediaiteand The Big Picture report, Goldline International is currently under lawful investigation for its business practices. Fox news reports that there is something wrong with yet another sponsor of “The Glenn Beck Show” even though Glenn Beck isn’t perhaps involved in the investigation, reports the Los Angeles District Attorney’s office.

LWW
08-05-2010, 06:08 AM
Welcome back stranger.

LWW

hondo
08-05-2010, 09:52 AM
Welcome, Diane.

hondo
08-05-2010, 09:55 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Welcome back stranger.

LWW </div></div>

So you think this is Wolfie now, huh?
Did you ever decide he Wasn't GRBU?
Or that I'm not Sheldon?

Oh, wait a minure! You're still one of the birthers.

LWW
08-05-2010, 10:19 AM
I never said they are wolfie, nor do I think they are.

Nor did I say wolfie was GRBU.

Nor do I think you are Sheldon.

Next cry for attention?

LWW

hondo
08-05-2010, 04:42 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I never said they are wolfie, nor do I think they are.

Nor did I say wolfie was GRBU.

Nor do I think you are Sheldon.

Next cry for attention?

LWW </div></div>

Orwell would have loved you.
You could have had Winston's job at the Ministry ( not that you have any idea what I'm talking about).

hondo
08-05-2010, 04:47 PM
LMFAO! You have started 25 new threads in the first 2 pages of the forum.
Most of which went unaswered or got responses only from
your sidekick or the skinhead site poster or Mr Suds.

In the past 3 days you have posted 49 times!

But, it's Hondo crying for attention?
If you say so, Larry. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smirk.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

Stretch
08-06-2010, 04:21 AM
In LWW's world the Democrats and Liberals are always wrong no matter how right they are and his party (and it's return to power) is all that matters.... fact checkers need not apply.

He is simply too far gone to help. I'm sure when limpballs speeks his tighten up. St.

LWW
08-06-2010, 05:07 AM
Do you ever pay attention?

1 - Democrats are not liberals, they are statists.

2 - Republicans are not conservatives, they are statists.

3 - The only substantive difference is how far and how fast they wish to expand the state's power at the expense of the people's power.

4 - I am not a republican.

5 - You mistakenly think that I am because I find them slightly less horrible than the democrats. Kind of like deciding whether I want a 5 lb sledge or a 10 lb sledge dropped on my foot. I'd prefer neither, but the 5 lb sledge hurts less.

6 - You are not a liberal. You are a statist.

7 - A classic liberal is what is today called a tea party member.

LWW

hondo
08-06-2010, 05:13 AM
SSDD. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/sleep.gif

Stretch
08-06-2010, 05:21 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do you ever pay attention?

1 - Democrats are not liberals, they are statists.

2 - Republicans are not conservatives, they are statists.

3 - The only substantive difference is how far and how fast they wish to expand the state's power at the expense of the people's power.

4 - I am not a republican.

5 - You mistakenly think that I am because I find them slightly less horrible than the democrats. Kind of like deciding whether I want a 5 lb sledge or a 10 lb sledge dropped on my foot. I'd prefer neither, but the 5 lb sledge hurts less.

6 - You are not a liberal. You are a statist.

7 - A classic liberal is what is today called a tea party member.

LWW </div></div>

You must be pretty sore what with both a 10 pound AND a 5 pound sledge dropped on your foot in succession. Are you sure it wasn't your head?? St.

hondo
08-06-2010, 05:25 AM
I do admire Dick's loyalty.
He told Nancy he would always be behind him. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/blush.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

Sev
08-06-2010, 05:28 AM
So. What happens if after the investigation is finished it is found that Gold Bond has done no wrong?

LWW
08-06-2010, 05:32 AM
The damage of the leftist character assassination will have been done, the old skool media will scantly ... if at all ... report it, and it will become just another entrenched myth which all good little leftists believe as they nod their collectivist heads in unison.

LWW

Stretch
08-06-2010, 05:57 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ed, that post reads like something lww or steve would write....and You are better then that.
I don't think as well versed as Q is, that he needs some Sack, or anybody here to explain things to him.
</div></div>

Wolf, nice to see you back buddy!

On the topic, Love him or hate him one thing is clear. Beck is an idiot. St.

Sev
08-06-2010, 06:29 AM
There goes the neighborhood. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

hondo
08-06-2010, 03:00 PM
Stretch, that post was from May. He's not back.