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Gayle in MD
05-20-2010, 09:21 AM
The disbusrsment chemicals, which BTW are carcinogens, are killing everything in sight. Everything the turtles eat, has been poisoned. The oil industry's solutions do as much if not more damage in the long run, as the oil itself.

Too bad Bush and Cheney deregulated the Oil Industry in secret, behind closed doors, and turned our regulatory agencies into nothing but additional purchsed with bribes, additional arms of the polluters.

Too bad, the activist RW Supreme court, voted in favor of cheney creating our National Energy Policies, in secret, behind closed doors, and ruled to protect him from being exposed for the criminal that he is.

A true disaster and disgrace.

Thank heaven we have a Democratic in the White House, or we wouldn't even be getting the full story, until our liberal media had enough time to break through all of the Republican media Propaganda....

President Obama has already begun to break up these agencies, and the F.-up in chief has resigned.

Imagine, if there were a Repub in there right now, and they had the majority????

Easy to figure out, just go to C-Span, and view all of the gross lies told in the past by these same oil CEO's, then view the latest hearbreaking pictures of the Gulf, and the predicted path of thhe oil, and then ask yourself, "Do I really want to ever vote for a Republican again???!!!"

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Drill Baby Drill...?????????????????????


I don't think so!~

Oil is killing us, the animals, our ecology, and the economy, as Republican subsidize oil, it subsidizes our enemies, buys their ammo, kills our troops, and destroys our coeans.

REagan took the solar panels off the White House! It's been all down hill since then. We could have been out in front right now, in fact, long ago, if not for Republicans, and thheir love affair with oil, Chemicals, corrupt CEO,s and their overall denials for decades about the destruction they leave in their wake.

G.

eg8r
05-20-2010, 09:50 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Too bad Bush and Cheney deregulated the Oil Industry in secret, behind closed doors, and turned our regulatory agencies into nothing but additional purchsed with bribes, additional arms of the polluters.</div></div>Too bad Obama did nothing to fix this problem before this disaster happened.

eg8r

pooltchr
05-20-2010, 10:23 AM
When you personally sell your cars, get rid of your boat, refuse to fly anywhere, don't ride on buses or in cabs, and stop buying anything made of plastic or in plastic containers, you can complain about the oil companies. Until then, it's just empty jabber on your part.

Steve

LWW
05-20-2010, 11:18 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Too bad Bush and Cheney deregulated the Oil Industry in secret, behind closed doors, and turned our regulatory agencies into nothing but additional purchsed with bribes, additional arms of the polluters.

G. </div></div>

How did they do that?

What's that?

They didn't?

We all already knew that.

LWW

LWW
05-20-2010, 11:20 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thank heaven we have a Democratic in the White House, or we wouldn't even be getting the full story, until our liberal media had enough time to break through all of the Republican media Propaganda....

G. </div></div>

Why didn't he stop it?

Whay was BP backing him over McCain?

What's that?

You aren't allowed to think about such things?

LWW

LWW
05-20-2010, 11:21 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">President Obama has already begun to break up these agencies, and the F.-up in chief has resigned.

G. </div></div>

Who appointed this F-up?

LWW

LWW
05-20-2010, 11:22 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Imagine, if there were a Repub in there right now, and they had the majority????

G. </div></div>

1 - The contingency plan would have been followed.

2 - You would be complaining that they followed it.

LWW

LWW
05-20-2010, 11:24 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Oil is killing us, the animals, our ecology, and the economy, as Republican subsidize oil, it subsidizes our enemies, buys their ammo, kills our troops, and destroys our coeans.

G. </div></div>

Oil has saved more human and animal lives than anything in history. Most meds couldn't exist without oil. But ... truth is a foreign concept isn't it.

LWW

LWW
05-20-2010, 11:32 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">REagan took the solar panels off the White House! It's been all down hill since then. We could have been out in front right now, in fact, long ago, if not for Republicans, and thheir love affair with oil, Chemicals, corrupt CEO,s and their overall denials for decades about the destruction they leave in their wake.

G. </div></div>

Poppycock and balderdash.

Carter had panels installed and they were removed under Reagan, that much is true. They were removed to re-roof the building and the technology of the Carter era was primitive.

Now, did Clinton and Saint Albert of Green Acres ... Peace Prize be upon him ... have new ones installed? Nope?

When where they?

During the George Dubya Bush ... who also had a completely off grid home built ... administration.

<span style='font-size: 17pt'><span style='font-family: Arial Black'> TRUTH VERSUS TRUTHINESS (http://www.ecomall.com/greenshopping/solarwhitehouse.htm)</span></span>

LWW

LWW
05-20-2010, 11:34 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When you personally sell your cars, get rid of your boat, refuse to fly anywhere, don't ride on buses or in cabs, and stop buying anything made of plastic or in plastic containers, you can complain about the oil companies. Until then, it's just empty jabber on your part.

Steve </div></div>

That life is for the proletariat, party members are not expected to suffer thusly.

Agitprops are extended even more privilege.

LWW

wolfdancer
05-20-2010, 02:00 PM
Tony Hayward, BP's CEO, says "don't worry about this tiny spill....."
XXX-rated (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/14/bp-ceo-gulf-oil-spill-rel_n_576215.html)
AND....here is an advance copy of the new BP ad:
what, me worry? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHFDa9efCQU&feature=related)

Sid_Vicious
05-20-2010, 03:17 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Tony Hayward, BP's CEO, says "don't worry about this tiny spill....."
XXX-rated (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/14/bp-ceo-gulf-oil-spill-rel_n_576215.html)
AND....here is an advance copy of the new BP ad:
what, me worry? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHFDa9efCQU&feature=related) </div></div>

What the hell has happened to political pressure Wolf? Had we made such a statement about a mess we made in any other country, there'd still be literal lam-blasting going on. That tiny spill comment should have caused BP serious backlash. The problem is though, as i understand it, that BP possibly is only accountable for 75 million for this mess. Think about it...if that is true, then it pays for BP to let the spill sputter out on it's own. BP should have to face maybe another half trillion in payments for long term damages, THEN they'd start getting serious about this issue!!!!!!! sid

Sev
05-20-2010, 06:37 PM
Its going to get ugly.

They may have to nuke it.

Poor Obama. He may end up having one of the largest ecological disasters to ever happen on his hands.
One can only wonder how they wont let this crisis go to waste as possibly thousands of species go extinct.

pooltchr
05-20-2010, 07:21 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
One can only wonder how they wont let this crisis go to waste as possibly thousands of species go extinct.

</div></div>

Almost makes you wonder if there is a reason they have taken over a month, and still continue to release thousands of gallons a day. Do they need an ecological crisis for some reason?

Steve

Qtec
05-21-2010, 03:43 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
One can only wonder how they wont let this crisis go to waste as possibly thousands of species go extinct.

</div></div>

Almost makes you wonder if there is a reason they have taken over a month, and still continue to release thousands of gallons a day. Do they need an ecological crisis for some reason?

Steve </div></div>

So Obama is in league with Halliburton and BP to leak oil onto the beaches, kill the wildlife and the economy in the South? LOL

Do you have ANY PROOF AT ALL?

Q

Qtec
05-21-2010, 04:03 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Too bad Bush and Cheney deregulated the Oil Industry in secret, behind closed doors, and turned our regulatory agencies into nothing but additional purchsed with bribes, additional arms of the polluters.</div></div>Too bad Obama did nothing to fix this problem before this disaster happened.

eg8r </div></div>

Maybe if the GOP would be less destructive and stop opposing EWVERYTHING Obama proposes and clogging up the system then maybe some things could get done.

You guys have been MOANING for years about how Govt should get its nose out off business and the private sector. Now when the private sector FKS up, its Obama's fault?

The lack of effective response just proves that under Bush, people were appointed for their political affiliation instead of competence, AKA <span style='font-size: 17pt'>"good job Brownie." </span>


<span style='font-size: 20pt'>FACT</span>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 17pt'>Government officials in charge of collecting royalties from oil companies accepted ski holidays and other gifts from the firms they were meant to be regulating, as well as using cocaine and having sex with industry executives,</span> according to an official report released yesterday.

The inspector general's investigation found a "culture of substance abuse and promiscuity" operating at the mineral management service (MMS), the government agency charged with regulating oil companies.

The investigation focused on the royalties-in-kind programme which allows oil companies to pay royalties to the federal government in oil and gas rather than cash. It is one of the government's biggest sources of revenue outside of taxes, bringing in $10bn (5.7bn) a year.

"Several staff admitted to illegal drug use as well as illicit sexual encounters," the inspector general, Earl Devaney, wrote in a memo to the interior secretary, Dirk Kempthorne, released yesterday.

<span style='font-size: 17pt'>The accounts of the partying atmosphere under the Bush administration's oversight of the MMS - or as Devaney put it <span style='font-size: 26pt'>"a culture of ethical failure"</span> - could prove politically sensitive, given the prominent role of energy as an issue in this election year.</span>

<span style='font-size: 20pt'>The three reports released yesterday point to an atmosphere of dysfunction at the agency. Over the four years ending in 2006, a third of the 55 staff at the Denver office of the management service accepted cash and other gifts from oil company contacts.</span> </div></div>


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"a culture of ethical failure" </div></div>

That describes the Bush Presidency exactly.

Gayle in MD
05-21-2010, 05:33 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Too bad Bush and Cheney deregulated the Oil Industry in secret, behind closed doors, and turned our regulatory agencies into nothing but additional purchsed with bribes, additional arms of the polluters.</div></div>Too bad Obama did nothing to fix this problem before this disaster happened.

eg8r </div></div>


I think the president, and the Democratic majority, have been in the process of overturning loads of Republican policies, all of which led to unregulated disasters, resulting from deregulation, and pandering to the corporations.

I think, also, it's the policies that Republicans clearly expouse constantly, that should be highlighted in everyone's minds....

We all know that for decades Republicans have made fun of the very idea of protecting our environment.

We know that their policies since RR have been anti-regulatory.

Bush's era was broadly, pro oil, and anti regulatory, supporting drilling, and digging for coal, anywhere and everywhere, included in our National Parks! Obama has already overturned that, thank goodness, and Republicans pander to the oil companies, surely, we need not argue about that, after all of the Drill Baby Drill BS.

I was very disappointed when President Obama began to indicate that he would expand off shore drilling. I am encouraged that that era, led by Republicans, since Reagan, is heading toward a different approach, toward more accountability, and away from that blank check Republican approval for any and all unconscionable greed, which leads to exploitation, ad indicated by the passing of the tighter restrictions on banks. T

he administration is not going to increase or support more off shore drilling, at this time, and Democratics, and this administration, are holding investigations, and moving toward mandatory jail time, and away from the token "Fines" of the broadly deregulatory policies of Republicans.

I also think, if Republicans had control, we'd be watching another frustrating cover up, and another all out effort to minimize the full extent of all of the damages, and reveal which CEO's are actually most responsible, just as we saw after 9/11..

Unless and until, we remove the Republican policies of fines only, on oil spills, and move toward fines plus mandatory jail time for the top three executives, of any corporation which trashes our environment, for example, our environment will continue to be destroyed and exploited by a segment of that same top one percent, who robbed us on Wall Street, also being Repersentatives are sending me e-mails, laying out their intentions to go toward mandatory jail time as a response in the future, for these ecological disasters.

What should be noted, is that one can easily see which party has voted to deregualate and protect with their no votes, the banks and financial institutions, protect the various energy corporations, protect the health insurance agencies, and the credit card iindustry, with their NO votes, to the greatest extent, Republicans.

Deregulation, of businesses, particularly energy, is the Republican mantra, and those of us who are always the most concerned about the ennvironment, including most Democratic Represenntatives, are called, "Tree Huggers"

No one in their right mind could try to deny the decades old link between deregulation, and Republicans, nor could they deny that every disaster we've seen so far, from the banks, to coal, to the oil industry, Republicans have stood firmly against efforts to tighten regulations.

Obama has loads of disasters on his plate, clearly created by Republican policies, and he's a brilliant man, so I'm quite sure we'll be seeing more and more regulatory tightening across the board, going forward, eventhough Republicans have done everything they could do, to prevent holding corporate thieves, to account...

G.

LWW
05-21-2010, 07:30 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think the president, and the Democratic majority, have been in the process of overturning loads of Republican policies, all of which led to unregulated disasters, resulting from deregulation, and pandering to the corporations.

G. </div></div>

Which ones?

LWW

pooltchr
05-21-2010, 07:51 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
One can only wonder how they wont let this crisis go to waste as possibly thousands of species go extinct.

</div></div>

Almost makes you wonder if there is a reason they have taken over a month, and still continue to release thousands of gallons a day. Do they need an ecological crisis for some reason?

Steve </div></div>

So Obama is in league with Halliburton and BP to leak oil onto the beaches, kill the wildlife and the economy in the South? LOL

Do you have ANY PROOF AT ALL?

Q

</div></div>
Read what I posted, Q. I didn't state a fact...I said it makes you wonder. As for Obama and the south, I don't think he feels any strong sense of loyalty to a region that generally votes for the other party. Obama has shown he has absolutely no sense of loyalty to anyone unless it is to his political advantage. I'm not saying he caused the problem in the gulf, but he is an opportunist, who will take advantage of the situation to promote his own agenda. And we have all heard the comment about not letting a good crisis go to waste. The bigger the crisis, the more they can use it.

Just sayin'.....

Steve

Stretch
05-21-2010, 08:53 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
One can only wonder how they wont let this crisis go to waste as possibly thousands of species go extinct.

</div></div>

Almost makes you wonder if there is a reason they have taken over a month, and still continue to release thousands of gallons a day. Do they need an ecological crisis for some reason?

Steve </div></div>

So Obama is in league with Halliburton and BP to leak oil onto the beaches, kill the wildlife and the economy in the South? LOL

Do you have ANY PROOF AT ALL?

Q

</div></div>
Read what I posted, Q. I didn't state a fact...I said it makes you wonder. As for Obama and the south, I don't think he feels any strong sense of loyalty to a region that generally votes for the other party. Obama has shown he has absolutely no sense of loyalty to anyone unless it is to his political advantage. I'm not saying he caused the problem in the gulf, but he is an opportunist, who will take advantage of the situation to promote his own agenda. And we have all heard the comment about not letting a good crisis go to waste. The bigger the crisis, the more they can use it.

Just sayin'.....

Steve </div></div>

Like the way Bush tryed to use 9/11 to further his cause for war in Iraq? St.

pooltchr
05-21-2010, 09:01 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stretch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Like the way Bush tryed to use 9/11 to further his cause for war in Iraq? St. </div></div>

Good answer. We are talking about an issue that is current and relevent, and you fall back on "But Bush".

Funny how you can quickly spot problems with the Republican administration, and totally miss the same things when the Dems are in charge.

Steve

Stretch
05-21-2010, 09:20 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stretch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Like the way Bush tryed to use 9/11 to further his cause for war in Iraq? St. </div></div>

Good answer. We are talking about an issue that is current and relevent, and you fall back on "But Bush".

Funny how you can quickly spot problems with the Republican administration, and totally miss the same things when the Dems are in charge.

Steve </div></div>

No, whats funny is a Republican trying to apply thier modus operendi onto this tragedy. St.

pooltchr
05-21-2010, 09:48 AM
It was the Dems who said they should never let a good crisis go to waste.

Steve

LWW
05-21-2010, 09:48 AM
Oh please ... you are so clueless on this that if slides beneath your already low standards.

The case to remove Saddam was made by Clinton for 8 years.

The problem was he lacked the stones to actually do it.

The funny part is the far left had their collectivist shorts wound in a knot blaming B-B-B-BOOOOSH!!! for not removing Hussein in 1991. BTW ... I agree that we should have taken him out in 1991. Then, on a dime, they spun to blaming B-B-B-BOOOOSH!!! for actually doing it.

Follow that up with Clinton refusing to do anything about Bin Laden ... and then blaming B-B-B-BOOOOSH!!! for not getting Bin Laden.

BTW ... did you ever wonder what the main reason was we probably haven't got him?

Here's why ... leftists in congress made public how we were tracking him via sat phone.

Bet they didn't put that on the spoon for you did they.

LWW

Gayle in MD
05-21-2010, 11:37 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stretch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stretch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Like the way Bush tryed to use 9/11 to further his cause for war in Iraq? St. </div></div>

Good answer. We are talking about an issue that is current and relevent, and you fall back on "But Bush".

Funny how you can quickly spot problems with the Republican administration, and totally miss the same things when the Dems are in charge.

Steve </div></div>

No, whats funny is a Republican trying to apply thier modus operendi onto this tragedy. St. </div></div>

Very True, and in fact, there is no rightie on here who could have any room to make accusations about being partisan to the point that they all were throughout Bush's regime, and they remain in denial, for partisan purposes.

Right down to Bush's massive spending, incompetence to the point that he LOST eight or nine billion dollars, in Iraq, just LOST it! Poof, gone, and never showed up anywhere, afterwards, gross incompetence, to their parroting Cheney's words, that deficits don't matter....yet, yet now, deficits are all they can write about, since they are under a Democratic Administration....they don't like to be reminded that their hero, Bush, waas actually the one who bailed out the banks, blew a surplus, doubled our debts, and is still adding to them, everyday, in interest payments on all of his borrowing!


They have no room to accuse anyone of the vast denial, they were and are still propagating.


What a total crock! There is nothing more disgraceful than lying our country into a war, causing death and destruction to a country which was not a threat, no immediate threat! NO WMD's, NO connection to al Qaeda, NOT trying to get Yellow Cake from Niger, Not reinstituting their biological weapons, not doing anything, other than less thann other dictators were doing at the time, to their own people.....they had to delete that lie about Saddam's seeking Yellow Cake, from their lies in Bush's SOTU address.

Nothing shows more proof of their own hypocracy than their immediate attacks on President Obama after he took office, when any reasonable person knows that the majority of historians stated that Bush left the worst legacy of any president...but they expect this president to have it all cleaared up, in under two years.

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They're grabbing at straws, because they really hate the humane and honorable ideals of Liberals, who care about the environment, care about the disadvantaged, want equality for all people, and want accountability and oversight of the banks, the financial market, oil, coal, food, pharmaceuticals, deregulatory government IS THE PRIOBLEM, Not goverment, No, Republican Policies running the government. Nothing could be more clear at this time.

There has never been such a blatant capitalization of disaster as Bush's uses of 9/11, to invade Iraq, to blow money, without any accountability, to kill and destroy so many people who did nothing wrogn, all of it to benefit his oil cronies.

Greenspan, a Republican:

"It's my understanding that the Iraq invasion was about oil."

That's right Alan, that is the fact, Bush used our grief and fear after 9/11 to propagate his pre-Oval office agenda.


The right defended every disaster of Bush's regime, including the most disgraceful lie any president can tell, a lie that sends our troops to battle, for the sake of the president's corporate cronies' bottom line.

Repulsive!

G.

pooltchr
05-21-2010, 11:47 AM
For someone who CLAIMS to be so concerned about the environment, I find it odd that you can completely ignore the apparent incompetence of the administration to quickly deal with this situation.

Once again, Obama gets a pass from you because of the (D)!

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Steve

LWW
05-21-2010, 12:41 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For someone who CLAIMS to be so concerned about the environment, I find it odd that you can completely ignore the apparent incompetence of the administration to quickly deal with this situation.

Once again, Obama gets a pass from you because of the (D)!

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Steve </div></div>

I'm not in the least surprised ... after all the party told them to ignore it all.

LWW

pooltchr
05-21-2010, 04:04 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[ but he is an opportunist, who will take advantage of the situation to promote his own agenda. And we have all heard the comment about not letting a good crisis go to waste. The bigger the crisis, the more they can use it.

Just sayin'.....

Steve </div></div>

Well, it didn't take long. I just heard him using the oil spill in the gulf as a reason to come down on the auto industry, and the fuel efficiency of trucks on the road.

I'm willing to bet that regardless of what he says about domestic oil production, it is going to become much more restricted. He's already going head to head with BP. Look for much more government intervention into more businesses.

Steve