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Bobbyrx
05-23-2010, 04:10 PM
When is our president going to step up and actually do SOMETHING about the thousands of barrels of oil leaking into the gulf? Do the jerks at BP, who have lied about everything they know about the leak from day one, have that much control over him? The silence of the same people (including the media) who blamed every aspect of Katrina on Bush, is deafening. Mr. President, do something! The idiots at BP have been given way too much time, with stupid idea after stupid idea failing to work. TAKE CHARGE. Creating a bipartisan commission to investigate, 3 weeks later, isn't going to cut it. The oil is as we speak lapping onto the shores of Louisiana, with no end in sight. We need action not a committee meeting...

LWW
05-23-2010, 05:04 PM
How dare you question dearest leader!

Besides, he already fixed the leak ... and then Bush broke it again.

LWW

Gayle in MD
05-25-2010, 07:15 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bobbyrx</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When is our president going to step up and actually do SOMETHING about the thousands of barrels of oil leaking into the gulf? Do the jerks at BP, who have lied about everything they know about the leak from day one, have that much control over him? The silence of the same people (including the media) who blamed every aspect of Katrina on Bush, is deafening. Mr. President, do something! The idiots at BP have been given way too much time, with stupid idea after stupid idea failing to work. TAKE CHARGE. Creating a bipartisan commission to investigate, 3 weeks later, isn't going to cut it. The oil is as we speak lapping onto the shores of Louisiana, with no end in sight. We need action not a committee meeting... </div></div>

The whole thing sounds to me like our country does not have the equipment, nor any more scientific knowledge to deal with the leaking oil, that BP has, which obviously is far less than they led all of us to believe.

That's just great! They assured the Senate, they had it all together, could handle any such disaster, told them that long ago, back when there were only a few such deep wells, now there are over a hundred such deep wells, and now we learn that they lied to us all along.

While the president has had every scientist and expert in the field, working on this, along with BP, his people are telling him that they don't have any better, faster, or more effective methods, than BP.

IMO, these deep wells are a whole new problem, for all of us to consider. Our country does not have access to the equipment the oil companies can get, and while they lied about their abililties to handle such a disaster, it's sounds to me like we're stuck with having to let them deal with closing the leak, or else they can wiggle out of their liability for having to take care of all the damage.

All of the deep well drilling in our oceans, should be stopped, immediately, IMO.

What a total disaster! Just imagine, now that the SC has ruled that corporations can buy our Representatives, through campaign contributions, without revealing how much they dole out and to whom, the kind of damage they can do to our environment.

There is simply no fast, effective way to stop the leak, as far as I can tell, but the boom is being lowered continuously on BP, apparently, they can't stop the leak.

The only good thing about any of this is that their lack of effective emergency response, to such a disaster, is now exposed.

The question is, are they putting even more people and wildlife at risk, with their chemical methods? Sounds to me like they already have.

I don't know if there is anything that anyone CAN do about it. The depth of the well, seems to be the problem, and apparently, BP's CEO's don't HAVE an answer that any of us would be happy with. If they could close the leak, they surely would have, one would think, since they are losing a fortune everyday that it continues to spew oil, not to mention their liabilites are growing as well.

What can the president do, when our own scientists don't have a back up plan of their own, aside from BP's options, and don't have the equipment to take over the effort?

It's not like bodies are floating, and people are starving, and begging for water and food, but it's time for the president to go down there and give those residents his assurances, in terms of his intentions to force BP to make them whole, in their lossses, and do so in person, IMO.

BP has had a poor record for a long time. Looking back into this whole issue of deep water drilling, is surely in order, now that we can all see the extent of the dangers, and damages, that are apparently not easily corrected, in deep water drilling.

I thought Kostner was heading down there with his new equipment for separating and removing the oil from the ocean water. Then I didn't hear any more about him....it sort of seemed to just drift out of the news.

Sixty five miles of LA shore line, already affected by the oil, and it's heading over to Ala., and other state's shores. BP is supposed to do that Top Kill, tomorrow, I believe. Officials in the La. area are fed up! Who can blame them! We don't even know what the impact will end up being on all of the spawning fish and shell fish, which are usually spawning during this time of year. EPA is forcing BP to use less of the toxic chemicals they've been using from the water, and from the air.

What a total disaster!

G.

LWW
05-25-2010, 07:42 AM
So why is the regime holding up the state of Louisiana from building breaks to keep the beaches from getting clobbered? That technology is centuries old and the locals are ready to implement it immediately.

LWW

Gayle in MD
05-25-2010, 09:04 AM
Just posted this in another thread, Bobby...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">COVINGTON, La. Oil giant BP is focused on two key areas around the blown wellhead as it probes the cause of the unchecked Gulf of Mexico oil spill, the company said as it started to brief federal authorities on its internal investigation.

BP PLC said in a release late Monday that it has not reached a final conclusion. But it said multiple control mechanisms should have prevented the accident that started with an oil rig explosion April 20 off the coast of Louisiana.

The largest oil and gas producer in the Gulf listed seven mechanisms where its hunt for a cause is focused. Four of those involve the blowout preventer, a massive piece of machinery that sits atop the wellhead and is supposed to act as a safety device of last resort. The other three areas of investigation involve the cementing and casing of the wellhead.

Three companies were involved with BP on the well: Transocean LTD owned the Deepwater Horizon oil rig and the blowout preventer; Halliburton Inc. was responsible for encasing the well in cement; and Cameron International Corp. manufactured the blowout preventer.

President Barack Obama has blasted executives from the companies for blaming each other during Congressional hearings this month.

In BP's release, Chief Executive Tony Hayward stopped short of assigning responsibility, calling the disaster "a complex accident, caused by an unprecedented combination of failures."

"A number of companies are involved, including BP, and it is simply too early and not up to us to say who is at fault," Hayward said.

BP said its investigation team has begun sharing its findings with the U.S. Department of the Interior.

The Obama administration has come under increasing pressure as frustrations build with the failure to cap the well. Millions of gallons of oil stretch across a 150-mile swath from Grand Isle, La., to Dauphin Island, Ala., endangering wildlife and livelihoods in commercial fishing and tourism.


BP said there was still extensive work to do in its investigation, including examining major pieces of equipment like the blowout preventer and the rig that are still on the seafloor.

The internal investigation started the day after the rig exploded, burned and sank. It is being conducted by BP's Head of Group Safety and Operations, who has an independent reporting line to Hayward, the company said.

In Washington, a report by the Interior Department's inspector general found ethics violations at the agency that overseas offshore drilling. The report, which follows up on a 2007 investigation, found that staffers at the Minerals Management Service accepted tickets to sports events, lunches and other gifts from oil and gas companies and used government computers to view pornography.

Interior Secretary Ken Salazar said the findings were "deeply disturbing" and showed the importance of his plan to abolish the agency and replace it with three new entities.

The report, which follows up on a 2007 investigation, found that MMS staffers accepted tickets to sports events, lunches and other gifts from oil and gas companies and used government computers to view pornography.

Salazar said several employees in the report have resigned, were fired, terminated or referred for prosecution. All the violations mentioned in the report occurred between 2000 and 2008.

After butting heads with BP over its use of a chemical to break up the oil in the water, the Obama administration said Tuesday the company is complying with the government's request to use less of the toxic dispersant.x

White House energy adviser Carol Browner said alternative dispersants aren't so readily available.

In a letter to BP last week, the Environmental Protection Agency gave the company three days to find a less toxic alternative to the dispersant it's using, Corexit 9500. But in a series of meetings that followed, Browner said, it became clear the alternatives were not as widely available as needed.

"There are not as many being manufactured as people thought in the quantities" needed, Browner said in a round of television appearances on morning news shows.

"We need to determine whether or not those alternatives are available, and the EPA is doing that, but in the meantime, EPA has directed BP to use less of the dispersants and they're required to follow that," Browner said.

A memorial service was scheduled for Tuesday afternoon in Jackson, Miss., for the 11 workers who were killed when the oil rig exploded. The event was being held by Transocean.

All of BP's attempts to stop the leak have failed, despite the oil giant's use of joystick-operated submarine robots that can operate at depths no human could withstand.

BP is pinning its hopes of stopping the gusher on yet another technique never tested 5,000 feet underwater: a "top kill," in which heavy mud and cement would be shot into the well to plug it up.

BP engineers had the equipment in place Tuesday and planned to start 12 hours of tests to prepare for the maneuver, BP PLC senior vice president Kent Wells said.

The top kill has proven successful in aboveground wells in Kuwait and Iraq, but has never before been tried a mile beneath the sea. Company executives peg its chances of success at 60 to 70 percent.

Engineers are working on several other backup plans in case the top kill doesn't work, including injecting assorted junk into the well to clog it up, and lowering a new blowout preventer on top of the one that failed.

The only certain permanent solution is a pair of relief wells crews have already started drilling, but the task could take at least two months.

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Associated Press Writers Erica Werner and Matthew Daly in Washington and Kevin McGill and Alan Sayre in Louisiana contributed to this report.
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<span style="color: #000066">sounds to me like they have no fail safe prevention, and no fail safe response, so I'd say they should have no deep water wells.

Why are the Republicans blocking efforts to expand BP's financial liability factor.And here we have Murkowski, another environment terrorist, as if Palin wasn't already enough, trying to get BP a bail out!

Absolutely disgusting! Republicans are blocking everything the Dems are trying to do to come down on BP!

Same thing they've been doing as regards the Wall Street thieves!Republicans protecting the corrupt, wealthy CEO thieves on Wall Street.

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pooltchr
05-25-2010, 09:53 AM
It was Congress that approved the liability cap. Your outrage on that point needs to be redirected.

Steve