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Sid_Vicious
05-25-2010, 03:29 PM
TV says we are sending extra people to the mexico boarder in AZ. If you remember the last time when Bush was there, the military personnel were not allowed to battle, i.e. engage the criminals. Hell, we even had two border patrol guards go to jail for shooting a drug smuggler, who lived and was deported without prosecution.

All this 1200 National Guard is going to be able to do, is be scare crows. Why the F can't we actually DEFEND our border with strength. The world laughs at us for being so stupid.

All this posturing with Nat Guard troops is just a waste of our dollars. They can't do anything, hands are tied. sid

pooltchr
05-25-2010, 09:29 PM
Take the money they are spending, give it to local law enforcement, and let them do the job. They know the area, they know the people, and are much better qualified for the job.

Our military doesn't need to be pulling guard duty. Hire some boarder guards, and give them the authority to enforce the law!

Steve

wolfdancer
05-25-2010, 09:46 PM
Sid, I ain't going to look it up, but I remember reading some time ago, that they were charging to smuggle people into the USA and the smugglers outnumbered and were way better armed then our Border Patrol....which had orders not to engage....
So far President Obama has not met expectations....but he's still trying to clean up the mess he inherited from the previous admin....which will probably require a third term just to "right the ship", (but hopefully to the left). It could be worse though...think....McCain/Palin....
I hope all the atheists will take note...as it was only divine intervention that kept these two yo-yos out of the White house, well that, and an honest vote count....the first one in 8 years.

pooltchr
05-25-2010, 10:12 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">....but he's still trying to clean up the mess he inherited from the previous admin....</div></div>

At what point exactly does Obama become responsible for his actions, or lack thereof?

You only gave Bush 9 months. Then 9/11 became his fault.
Obama told you he would get the troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan in 16 months........he LIED.
Obama told you he would close Gitmo in 12 months....HE LIED!
The left is trying to blame Bush for the disaster in the gulf, but not holding Obama accountable for doing little or nothing to address the problem.

Here's a newsflash...Bush is not in charge any more. Obama is, and things have been going downhill ever since he moved to Washington.

Wake up. The inheritance has been squandered!!!

Steve

wolfdancer
05-25-2010, 11:20 PM
buck fush...and don't bother trying to have any discussion with me....I don't give a f**k what your thoughts on any topic are, as you are the last person on God's green planet, I care to converse with
Obama didn't tell me anything....but like all Presidentail candidates he may have been blowing smoke up our ***, anything to get elected......In his case though, I believe he will try.....what he won't do though is claim "Mission Accomplished" while "Rome is burning" Trying to compare him with a pos like Bush...is bush.

Qtec
05-26-2010, 01:50 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> The inheritance has been squandered!!!

Steve </div></div>

LOL

Usually, an inheritance comes with a bank-check, not a bill!

Q......foreclosure crisis, credit crisis, massive debt crisis, unemployment crisis, etc etc etc

Qtec
05-26-2010, 01:54 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">At what point exactly does <u>Obama become responsible</u> for his actions, or lack thereof?

You only gave Bush 9 months. Then 9/11 became his fault. </div></div>

You guys gave Bush a free pass for 8 years. <u>You STILL don't hold him accountable</u> for the state of the country when Obama became the POTUS.

Bush had a free reign, Obama first has to mop up the mess left by Bush before he can do what he wants.

Q.........

Qtec
05-26-2010, 02:00 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The left is trying to blame Bush for the disaster in the gulf, but not holding Obama accountable for doing little or nothing to address the problem. </div></div>

If Obama had personally took over from BP from the start, you guys would all be saying, "Look. Didn't I tell ya? Obama is taking over the oil industry! Yeah, he is gonna privatise the oil companies..never let a good disaster go to waste.....another grab for power bt the socialist..is he so big-headed that he thinks he knows better than the professionals ?...etc etc etc.

Tell me I'm wrong.

Q

eg8r
05-26-2010, 07:25 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So far President Obama has not met expectations....but he's still trying to clean up the mess he inherited from the previous admin....</div></div>The illegal alien problem in this country is the fault of the previous admin? It started long before him.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
05-26-2010, 08:02 AM
Reagan started the illegal crises by refusing to stick to our laws, as in many other things REagan did.

Bush one looked the other way for four years, as the problem became more and more critical, Bush two, did the same, he actually cut funding for our border patrols.


Do you think, by any small, shot in the dark, chance, that Reagan's amnesty for illegals made the whole problem far worse, and sent out the wrong message?


Illegals have driven down our wages. They should be deported, or we should just take over Mexico. It's a far greater threat to our safety than Iraq was, that's for sure!

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pooltchr
05-26-2010, 08:26 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Tell me I'm wrong.

Q </div></div>

Not necessary. You already know you are wrong.

Steve

Gayle in MD
05-26-2010, 09:51 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The left is trying to blame Bush for the disaster in the gulf, but not holding Obama accountable for doing little or nothing to address the problem. </div></div>

If Obama had personally took over from BP from the start, you guys would all be saying, "Look. Didn't I tell ya? Obama is taking over the oil industry! Yeah, he is gonna privatise the oil companies..never let a good disaster go to waste.....another grab for power bt the socialist..is he so big-headed that he thinks he knows better than the professionals ?...etc etc etc.

Tell me I'm wrong.

Q </div></div>

You're right, of course. That's exactly what they'd be yappin about.

They can't stand it when they're reminded that Bush dumped a collapsed economy, two unsettled wars, and completely dysfunctional government, and crippling debts all in President Obama's lap, and that he has done a very good job in limiting the disastrous consequences of eight years of a total crook.....


Is our righties learning?

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pooltchr
05-26-2010, 10:14 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> he has done a very good job </div></div>

Wow, a response from one of the nutty 23%!!!!

Steve

eg8r
05-26-2010, 10:38 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You're right, of course. That's exactly what they'd be yappin about. </div></div>Don't you think it would be better to be "yappin" about that instead of "yappin" about this disaster?

Who cares what we "would have" been yapping about and talk about his ineffectivenes since the disaster.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
05-26-2010, 10:57 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> The inheritance has been squandered!!!

Steve </div></div>

LOL

Usually, an inheritance comes with a bank-check, not a bill!

Q......foreclosure crisis, credit crisis, massive debt crisis, unemployment crisis, etc etc etc </div></div>

LMAO! Inheritance, huh? That's a good one!

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Gayle in MD
05-26-2010, 11:06 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You're right, of course. That's exactly what they'd be yappin about. </div></div>Don't you think it would be better to be "yappin" about that instead of "yappin" about this disaster?

Who cares what we "would have" been yapping about and talk about his ineffectivenes since the disaster.

eg8r </div></div>

Hey Ed,
Who bailed out Wall Street?

Who started two wars, while cutting taxes, and borrowed from communists to pay for it, and then left huge debts, with interests piling up every day?

Under whose watch did 9/11 occur, after unprecedented warnings?


Under whose watch did the worst financial disaster in our lifetimes happen?

Who lied us into a war in Iraq?

Who removed regulatory Cafe' Standards?

Which party is all for deregulation?

Which party votes against holding corrupt lying CEO's to account for their crimes?

I have loads of questions, and they're all related to Republican Policies....all of them, hence, I will never vote for a Republican, they are the worst of the worst.

G.

eg8r
05-26-2010, 11:23 AM
Are you choosing to blatantly ignore the subject? Are you going to answer my question?

eg8r

Gayle in MD
05-26-2010, 11:27 AM
Hey, when you righties start to answer my questions...I'll do the same. Is that fair play?

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eg8r
05-26-2010, 11:36 AM
So you are saying you are not ready to man up and answer the questions. So be it, just quit being pissy when your questions are ignored.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
05-26-2010, 11:54 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Hey, when you righties start to answer my questions...I'll do the same. Is that fair play?
</div></div>

Hold it, Ed! You didn't answer the question. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

eg8r
05-26-2010, 12:19 PM
Why should I answer if you have no intention of answering questions that were already on the table when you asked this one.

eg8r

Deeman3
05-26-2010, 02:23 PM
Sid,

I think it is about time we nuke 'em down on the border! We have saved over 30K of nukes and what have they ever done for us aside from frying a couple of hundred thousand Japanese almost 70 years ago.

Send in the nukes, then the soldiers to clean up the mess and we should see the situation under a little more control.

wolfdancer
05-26-2010, 03:14 PM
I never tried to blame either party????...our border cities have been dealing with this problem....for as long as I can remember.
I have a cousin on the border patrol...and he's shared a few stories with me. He used to be an Air Traffic Controller, before the <s>gypper</s> gipper, RR fired and blackballed him....but that is a different story.
WHAT I did say....was that our beloved POTUS, the highly respected and esteemed Barack O'bama (with that much charisma, he has to be part Irish), leader of the free world,and champion of the underprivileged, has been dealing with the financial mess and other problems left over from the previous incompetent and corrupt administration....(that's my story and I'm sticking with it)
You thought the sun rose and set in GWB's butt....I see President Obama as a Godsend....but expect mistakes will be made as he tries to undo the damage....

pooltchr
05-26-2010, 03:47 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> He used to be an Air Traffic Controller, before the <s>gypper</s> gipper, RR fired and blackballed him....

<span style="color: #FF0000">You talking about the time they went out on an illegal strike? </span>

Barack O'bama... leader of the free world,
<span style="color: #FF0000">I guess you haven't been paying attention. Obama passed the torch to Brussels this week. They are the new capital of the free world, according to the messiah. </span>

...but expect mistakes will be made </div></div>

<span style="color: #FF0000">Oh, mistakes have already been made! Perhaps the biggest mistake happened in Nov 2008. But yes, I agree, there will be more before we get rid of Robin Hood and his band of merry Dems.

Steve </span>

wolfdancer
05-26-2010, 04:25 PM
since you don't know the details about my cousin's involvement...don't make any rush to judgment.
I doubt that you have a clue about the strike itself...but with your anti union attitude....that labor should just accept the orts that their "benevolent" employers toss them....I won't bother to discuss it with you
In case anybody else is interested though....the controllers went on strike because they felt they were handling too much air traffic, and the job had become so stressful that many were committing suicide at the time. MY cousin was on record though at the union meeting for speaking up against a strike, wanting to keep negotiations open. As a punitive measure RR did not differentiate and wanting to break the union...ordered everyone fired. Jack was eventually offered his job back after Bonzo had left office, but was now on the border patrol.
AS to the strike being illegal....reminds me of the labor history

wolfdancer
05-26-2010, 04:34 PM
course I once took. In the old days when there was a strike, the companies would get an injunction against the strike,hire Pinkerton, have them deputized and put the strike down with violence....or get the state militia to do it.
The Colorado Mine Massacre, where unarmed men, woman and children, strikers were killed would be an illegal strike to steve.
Henry Ford also put down "illegal" strikes with his "goon squads"

pooltchr
05-26-2010, 07:30 PM
Since I worked in the airline industry in 1981, I actually knew a little bit about what was going on, but I went to NPR (who we can all agree is a left leaning organization) to get their take on it for you. Here's what I found:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5599271

February 1981: New contract negotiations open between PATCO and the Federal Aviation Administration, which employs the air-traffic controllers. Citing safety concerns, <span style='font-size: 14pt'>PATCO calls for a reduced 32-hour work week, a $10,000 pay increase for all air-traffic controllers and a better benefits package </span>for retirement. Contract negotiations with the FAA stall.

Aug. 3, 1981: About 13,000 PATCO members go on strike after unsuccessful contract negotiations. In doing so, <span style='font-size: 14pt'>the union technically violates a 1955 law that bans strikes by government unions.</span> (Several government unions had previously declared strikes without penalties.) <span style='font-size: 14pt'>President Ronald Reagan declares the PATCO strike a "peril to national safety" and orders the controllers back to work. </span>
<span style='font-size: 17pt'>Reagan warns that striking is illegal</span> for public employees, and that <span style='font-size: 14pt'>anyone who does not return to work within 48 hours will be terminated. A federal judge finds PATCO President Robert Poli to be in contempt of court, and the union is ordered to pay a $1,000 fine for each day its members are on strike. About 7,000 flights are canceled. </span>
Aug. 5, 1981: Most striking air-traffic controllers are fired. Reagan bans them from ever being rehired by the FAA. They are initially replaced by controllers, supervisors and staff personnel not participating in the strike and in some cases, by military controllers.

Aug. 17, 1981: The FAA begins accepting applications for new air-traffic controllers.

Oct. 22, 1981: The Federal Labor Relations Authority de-certifies PATCO. Later, new air-traffic controllers, hired in the wake of the strike, organize a new union to represent them, the National Air Traffic Controllers Association.

June 19, 1987: NATCA is certified as the sole bargaining unit for air-traffic controllers employed by the FAA.

Aug. 12, 1993: President Clinton ends the prohibition on rehiring any air-traffic controller who went on strike in 1981. (To date, the FAA has rehired about 850 PATCO strikers.)



So, they wanted a 32 hour work week and a ten grand raise and more benefits. If they didn't get it, they were going to shut down the entire air traffic system in the country.

RR advised them that what they were doing was against the law, and geve them the opportunity to return to their jobs within 48 hours. THEY HAD THE CHANCE AND CHOSE NOT TO ACCEPT IT. SO IN EFFECT, THEY QUIT!

Sorry, but they get no sympathy from me on this one. They were holding the country hostage, RR called their bluff, and they lost. It's not like they didn't know what the consequences of their actions were going to be. Some chose to go back to work, and others chose not to. Personal responsibility is such a troubling concept for you to grasp, isn't it?

Steve

wolfdancer
05-26-2010, 11:38 PM
I told you my cousins story, ...that he opposed the strike, was on record doing so but Bonzo ordered him fired anyway.
AND **** your side of the story....I remember reading the story that I quoted to you...also have my cousin's side of the story
I don't give a f**k if you have RR's written explanation...the god damned truth is that pos set off to destroy unions in this country, and PATCO was his first big triumph...they set the traffic controllers up to strike and be replaced...as far as I'm concerned you can wipe your butt with your version.....
And to further explain why RR was the biggest pile of dogsh*t until GWB wrested that title from him...old 20 mule team Borax hisself,had been in a union... had been president of the screen actors guild.....at least RR had an excuse...as he suffered from senile dementia,(what's your excuse?) and since the powers behind the throne fed him his lines...he was our first "acting" President....not sure who was pulling his strings....but his last name started with "B"
Stop trying to educate me with your anti union crap. Ive been in several unions, was a union rep, represented workers, at hearings, and saved a couple of jobs, also negotiated contracts.
So while unions aren't perfect.....some bigoted anti labor bubba **** like yourself isn't going to change my mind. You have no clue about labor's history, and it's fight for safe working conditions and fair pay, etc....
before we had to compete globally with 3rd world labor pay scales....the fair wages,health care, pensions, etc, that were won through negotiations were credited with creating a higher standard of living, a new middle class....people could afford to own homes, buy cars, etc. With the niggardly wages that you would like to see labor earn.....who are going to be able to purchase non comsumables?....it was a win/win situation except up there your neck of the woods. .....In my studies I know what people had to put up with before they gained the right to be represented at any hearing.
Do you think you are earning rep points with your insulting posts to Gayle and myself? Look around ...nobody reads your posts, nobody gives a f**k about your attempts to educate them
At the Triangle shirt Company they had underage children working and all the doors chained shut so that nobody could sneak out for a break, and when the fire started they were trapped, there was no means of escape....That is your idea of employer's rights. **** you and your stance against people seeking fair wages for their labor....now stop bothering me....as you make me want to puke......
This is the last effen bubba effen crap post of yours that I will ever read (hopefully)....so using lww's idiotic terminology and thinking.....find yourself another "victim" as if your twisted logic could ever intimidate anyone but another bubba....that's it...I'm finished with you....you can't hold an intelligent conversation,without trying to denigrate others and puff yourself up.....and just because you think you are some hot sh*t management and also some self styled expert on pool...you can't seem to stand it when someone here just thinks you are a just a jerk, as I do
I'm going to complain to the admin here about your shadow posting and insults......as an Ordained Minister in the Universal Life Church...people seek me out for spiritual guidance, and some of the more grateful ones offer donations so that I can keep on with my good work....you are hurting my business and costing me members...by bringing out anger in me ...it is a failing of mine.....I do not suffer fools gladly....and you are the biggest fool on the board...imo..
Just F**K off will you...take your god damned bubba BS down to the corner bar but spare us.....
and my last bit of advice to you...if your bs can't stand on it's own merits, documentary evidence....you can't sell that crap to others by insulting someone who ain't buying ....and believe me you couldn't sell me anything including a cube of chalk
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

A Reagan Letter to Robert Poli, PATCO (Oct. 20, 1980)



Dear Mr. Poli:

I have been briefed by members of my staff as to the deplorable state of our nation's air traffic control system. They have told me that too few people working unreasonable hours with obsolete equipment has placed the nation's air travellers in unwarranted danger. In an area so clearly related to public safety the Carter administration has failed to act responsibly.

You can rest assured that if I am elected President, I will take whatever steps are necessary to provide our air traffic controllers with the most modern equipment available and to adjust staff levels and work days so that they are commensurate with achieving a maximum degree of public safety....

I pledge to you that my administration will work very closely with you to bring about a spirit of cooperation between the President and the air traffic controllers.
Sincerely,

Ronald Reagan </div></div>

Qtec
05-27-2010, 01:45 AM
What was the question?

Q

Qtec
05-27-2010, 04:00 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So you are saying you are not ready to man up and answer the questions. So be it, just quit being pissy when your questions are ignored.

eg8r </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Remember Sending Troop To The Border Last Time? </div></div>

<u>That</u> was the question, <u>not</u> the oil disaster.
G responded to a post I made in response to a ridiculous claim made by Steve. She was clear , concise and specific.

<u>YOU</u>, OTOH, just ignored her post and demanded that she answer your OFF TOPIC question.




<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Who cares what we "would have" been yapping about and <span style='font-size: 14pt'>talk about his ineffectivenes since the disaster.</span>

eg8r </div></div>

I already addressed this point.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If Obama had personally took over from BP from the start, you guys would all be saying, "Look. Didn't I tell ya? Obama is taking over the oil industry! Yeah, he is gonna privatise the oil companies..never let a good disaster go to waste.....another grab for power bt the socialist..is he so big-headed that he thinks he knows better than the professionals ?...etc etc etc.

Tell me I'm wrong.

Q </div></div>

You cry all the time about how Govt should keep its nose out of private enterprise........<span style='font-size: 17pt'>you got your wish!</span>

Oh wait,
........... NOW I remember.............LOL.....Oh what joy...LOL

<span style='font-size: 23pt'>Didn't you <u>MULTIPLE times</u> tell us that Govt can't even run a cantine BUT .NOW...you think know better that BP?</span>



LOVE IT! OWNED.


Q........make up your mind......

LWW
05-27-2010, 10:20 AM
Why did dearest leader send troops to the US-Mexican border?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">US National Guard troops being sent to the Mexican border will be used to stem the flow of guns and drugs across the frontier and not to enforce US immigration laws, the State Department said Wednesday.

<span style='font-family: Arial Black'><span style='font-size: 17pt'>The clarification came after the Mexican government urged Washington not to use the additional troops to go after illegal immigrants.</span>

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>President Barack Obama on Tuesday authorized the deployment of up to 1,200 additional troops to border areas but State Department spokesman Philip Crowley told reporters,</span> <span style='font-size: 17pt'>"It's not about immigration."</span></span></div></div>

&gt;&gt;&gt;TRUTH VS TRUTHINESS&lt;&lt;&lt; (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.0513d49acfc29bc63d3ee39de8bd3b7 1.dc1&show_article=1)

LWW

eg8r
05-27-2010, 12:50 PM
Hey there qtip, glad you woke up today. Are you trying to feel like you add some value to your life by helping Gayle out?

eg8r

eg8r
05-27-2010, 12:51 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That was the question, not the oil disaster.</div></div>Darn, I thought you were going to add value and instead you just want to cement your fame as village idiot. Maybe it would have been better if you just never woke up today and waited till tomorrow.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
05-27-2010, 02:15 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That was the question, not the oil disaster.</div></div>Darn, I thought you were going to add value and instead you just want to cement your fame as village idiot. Maybe it would have been better if you just never woke up today and waited till tomorrow.

eg8r </div></div>

<span style="color: #000066">LOL, Ed, why not just admit that Q got you, AGAIN! Instead, you begin to insult him when he clearly has exposed the reality of your gamesmanship. Just for a day, why not try to actually have a debate of the issues, without all of your "Muddy up the waters" or "Change the subject" tactics.

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wolfdancer
05-27-2010, 02:17 PM
hear, hear!!!