View Full Version : Isreal Attacks Peace Floatilla In Interntl. Waters

Gayle in MD
05-31-2010, 10:09 AM
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Why the Gaza boat deaths are a huge deal
Posted By Blake Hounshell Monday, May 31, 2010 - 8:16 AM

While we don't yet know all the facts, the apparent killing of at least 10 people aboard a ship bound for Gaza with humanitarian aid already has all the hallmarks of a massive public-relations disaster.

It does sound like there might have been some kind of violent response from the activists on the boat, and the Israeli military is claiming its forces encountered “live fire and light weaponry including knives and clubs."

But the international response has been swift. Turkey has recalled its ambassador and warned of "consequences," U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon has called for an investigation, European governments have expressed shock, and I imagine thousands of outside observers like me are wondering just what possessed the Israeli government to risk such an outcome when it sent naval commandoes to board the vessel.

As Haaretz's Amos Harel puts it, "The damage that Israel has caused itself internationally can hardly be exaggerated." Harel warns that the rumored presence of an Israeli Arab activist among the victims could lead to riots and perhaps even "a third intifada."

Another liberal Haaretz commentator, Bradley Burston, comments, "We are no longer defending Israel. We are now defending the siege. The siege itself is becoming Israel's Vietnam."

Israeli officials appear to be circling the wagons; the question now becomes what the White House will say and do. So far the Obama administration has said little, but with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu currently in Canada and scheduled to visit Washington Tuesday, it can't stay silent for long. There is talk in Israel that Netanyahu will cancel his trip, which would probably be the smart thing to do. There will be heavy international pressure on Obama to condemn the incident, and he will probably make some kind of mild statement. But a White House visit would quickly make the United States the focal point of world attention in a way that is, as White House officials like to put it, "not helpful."

It already has the makings of a huge international fracas that will make the Goldstone Report look like small potatoes by comparison. But to what end? Israelis on the right end of the political spectrum -- and that is most of them these days -- are convinced there is a "propaganda war" against their country, that most if not all of the criticism is unfair, and that the real issue is the radicalism of groups like Hamas and Hezbollah, which openly call for Israel's destruction. That's certainly the perspective of hard-line government officials like Deputy Foreign Minister Daniel Ayalon, who has already called the ships an "armada of hate and violence" and accused the activists of links to al Qaeda.

In other words, there's a huge unwillingness on the Israeli right to face reality -- that Israel is fast losing friends and allies in the world, and that this government in Jerusalem has only accelerated the shift. It's not hard to imagine boycott campaigns gaining momentum, damaging the Israeli economy and isolating the country diplomatically, especially in Europe.

The one thing that might extrictate Israel from this mess is a violent response from the Palestinian side -- which never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity. Stay tuned.



05-31-2010, 10:22 AM
The facts are not all in yet and the story seems to be still developing.

Gayle in MD
05-31-2010, 10:25 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ANKARA, Turkey (AP) -- Turkey withdrew its ambassador to Israel and called for an emergency session of the U.N. Security Council as criticism and condemnations arose across Europe and the Arab world Monday over Israel's deadly commando raid on ships taking humanitarian aid to the blockaded Gaza Strip.

Turkey's prime minister described the raid as "state terrorism," saying that Israel had violated international law and shown that it does not want peace in the region.

Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said Turkey will call on NATO to convene in an emergency session to discuss the incident. It has made a similar plea to the U.N. Security Council.

"This attack is state terrorism, violating international law," Erdogan said. "It should be known that we are not going to remain silent in the face of this inhumane state terrorism."

The raid, in which at least 10 pro-Palestinian activists, most of them Turks, were killed, was a new blow to Israel's international standing at a time when the West - including the United States - have grown frustrated with its stance in the peace process. The bloodshed particularly hurts its relations with Turkey, which was once a close regional ally of Israel but has become increasingly critical of it.

Around 10,000 Turks marched in protest from the Israeli consulate in Istanbul to a main square, chanting, "Murderous Israel you will drown in the blood you shed!" The protesters earlier tried to storm the Consulate building but were blocked by police. The flotilla of six ships, carrying some 700 activists, was sponsored in part by a Turkish organization.

Around 1,000 protested in Jordan's capital, Amman, calling for their government to cut diplomatic ties with Israel. Smaller protests erupted in capitals across the Middle East as well as in the Bosnian capital Sarajevo, the Greek city of Thessaloniki and the Pakistani city of Karachi.

Palestinian youths protesting the raid scuffled with Israeli soldiers, throwing bottles and stones at them, at a checkpoint north of Jerusalem, as senior Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat called the Israeli raid a "war crime."

Israel says the activists attacked its commandos as they boarded the six ships taking tons of supplies to Gaza, while the flotilla's organizers say the Israeli forces opened fire first.

U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon condemned the violence, saying, "I am shocked by reports of killing of people in boats carrying supply to Gaza. I heard the ships were in international water. That is very bad." He called for a "thorough investigation."

The White House issued a cautious reaction, saying "The United States deeply regrets the loss of life and injuries sustained, and is currently working to understand the circumstances surrounding this tragedy."

The European Union's foreign affairs chief, Catherine Ashton, said the bloc was deeply concerned and she called on Israel to carry out an inquiry. British Foreign Secretary William Hague deplored the killings and called for an end to the Gaza blockade.

Spain and France condemned what they called the disproportionate use of force. German Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle called for an immediate investigation into the matter by a neutral party but was careful not to directly place blame. He said that the German embassy was seeking information on six German citizens believed to have been aboard the ships.

Greece suspended a military exercise with Israel and postponed a visit by Israel's air force chief. Greece, Egypt, Sweden, Spain and Denmark summoned Israel's ambassadors demanding explanations for the violence.

The Gulf Cooperation Countries condemned Israel's "heinous crime" on the Gaza ships, which it said was "pre-planned" by the Israeli government.

But the strongest reaction came from Turkey. Deputy Prime Minister Bulent Arinc called Israel's actions "piracy" and said Turkey is withdrawing its ambassador on Monday as well as canceling three joint military drills and calling on the U.N. Security Council to convene in an emergency session about Israel. Turkey is currently a member of the council.

"I strongly condemn the use of force by Israeli military forces on an aid convoy composed of 32 countries, including Turkey," Arinc said. "This attack must not remain unanswered." He also said a Turkish youth soccer team currently in Israel would be brought home.

The raid also brought heightened attention to Israel's blockade of the Gaza Strip, imposed after the Palestinian militant group Hamas seized control of the tiny Mediterranean territory in 2007. The blockade - along with Israel's fierce offensive against Gaza in the winter of 2008-2009 to stop Hamas rocket fire - has fueled anti-Israeli sentiment around the Arab world.

The president of Iran, a key supporter of Hamas, called the raid "an inhuman act."

"All in all, these (actions) only bring closer the end of the miserable and false regime" in Israel, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said, according to state TV.

The Cairo-based Arab League called an emergency session for Tuesday to address the attack, as the two only Arab states with peace deals with Israel - Jordan and Egypt - sharply condemned the violence. Jordan's information minister, Nabil al-Sharif, called it a "heinous crime" and called for the lifting of the blockade on Gaza.

The incident also put Egypt in a tight position. The only Arab country bordering the Gaza Strip, it has helped enforce the blockade by cracking down on smuggling tunnels that are a key source of goods to Gaza's 1.5 million people and by rejecting pressure that it open its border crossing. The Egyptian government has said it cannot open the border since there is no agreement on restoring European monitors who left during the Hamas takeover.

Egypt's Foreign Ministry said the violence underlines how Gaza "remains under total Israeli occupation," and it called "for the immediate lifting of the Israeli siege on Gaza."

In Beirut, about 500 Palestinian and Lebanese activists protested in front of the U.N. headquarters, setting Israeli flags on fire. "The only solution with the usurping entity is resistance. This entity only understands the language of force," Hezbollah lawmaker Nawar al-Saheli told the crowd.

In neighboring Syria, more than 200 Syrian and Palestinian protesters staged a sit-in before the offices of the United Nations to denounce the Israeli raid.



05-31-2010, 10:27 AM
Apparently they were forewarned about being boarded.

05-31-2010, 10:48 AM
[quote=Gayle in MD] <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

<span style='font-size: 17pt'>While we don't yet know all the facts,</span> </div></div>

And yet, you are very quick to post the story. It's obvious you have already made up your mind, without having all the facts.

Nothing new here....


05-31-2010, 01:35 PM

05-31-2010, 02:07 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">???????????????????? </div></div>

Woofie....are you stalking me??????????????????


05-31-2010, 02:14 PM
I have no use for you, or your posts....and you can run that by the admin.......

05-31-2010, 02:18 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have no use for you, or your posts....and you can run that by the admin....... </div></div>

And yet you feel obligated to add your comments to my posts.



05-31-2010, 02:20 PM
You are like those callers to the radio talk shows who end up saying "I'm never going to listen to this show again!"...at lease every week or two!!!!!!


05-31-2010, 04:28 PM
It's hondo that wrote something along those lines.....I really enjoy reading your great authorative posts...so insightful, and so wonderfully informative, and with your amazing ability to "read between the lines" of every news item...I am able to learn the real, sometimes hidden meanings of events. The board is indebted to your "public service" here. You really outdo the rest of your crew here, and I wonder if lww is in fact...a bit jealous of your popularity, as witnessed by the many replies agreeing with, and thanking you for your posts?
BUT, as to your remark....I don't listen to talk radio....and it's talking heads.....although I used to listen to Michael Savage during my free time on my job.

06-01-2010, 01:33 AM
Its obvious YOU have made your mind up.

Facts are 10 <span style='font-size: 14pt'>civilians</span> have been shot by Israel on a ship in International waters [ piracy?]and 25 are wounded in hospital. Their crime?.........

After 8 years of appeasement from Bush, The Zionist Israeli Govt thinks they can get away with anything. I hope Obama puts a stop to it but I'm sceptical.

Stop all aid to Israel. No more weapons sales. Its time the USA showed them who is in charge.

Q...........end the blockade.

06-01-2010, 04:12 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A costly misjudgement by Israel

Exactly what happened in the eastern Mediterranean in the pre-dawn hours of yesterday remains to be clarified. The immediate results, however, are all too apparent. A flotilla of boats carrying aid for Palestinians in Gaza was forcibly halted by Israeli forces; the lead ship was stormed by Israeli commandos; at least 10 of the 581 people on board were killed, and many more were injured. If Israel's international reputation was in negative territory before this happened – and it was only just beginning to recover from the damage done by its lethally heavy-handed invasion of Gaza at the start of 2009 – it is now back where it was in those darkest of days. The outcry has been universal.

Confused though the picture might be, however, what has so far emerged conforms to a pattern that has become all too familiar. Confronted with a situation it saw as threatening, Israel applied massive armed force – force that would appear, at least, to have been out of all proportion to the circumstances. Acting apparently without warning, Israeli forces closed in when the boats were still in international waters, 40 miles from the coast. At that point <span style='font-size: 20pt'>there was no immediate threat</span>, as most people would see it, either to Israel's blockade, or to its national security – and these are not necessarily the same thing </div></div> link (http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/leading-articles/leading-article-a-costly-misjudgement-by-israel-1988045.html)


06-01-2010, 06:08 AM
They are now ... including video.

The Israelis issued several warnings for the ship to turn around.

It was given final warning that it was to be boarded if they didn't.

When it was boarded, they Israelis were attacked by the folks on the boat and took several injuries before retaliating.

But, with typical hatred of those who stand for liberty, the left chastises the Jews for defending their lives.

Oh ... and we are to believe that their blind support for groups such as Hamas isn't in any way anti Semitic.