View Full Version : Israel Must Release the Full Raid Tapes

06-06-2010, 04:12 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Every news outlet in the world has been running the tape of the Israeli commando raid on Free Gaza Flotilla released by the Israeli Defense Forces. It lasts about a minute and clearly shows the commandos being attacked by the people on board as they rappel down from their helicopters.

I don't argue with that portion of the tape at all. You can see the sticks and rods clearly. The passengers do hit the commandos boarding their ship. To argue otherwise is ludicrous. <span style='font-size: 14pt'>But what we don't see is what happened before and after that one minute of tape that was released.</span>

<span style='font-size: 17pt'>Eyewitnesses say that the Israeli forces had already used live fire on the ship before they attempted to board it. Is that true? I have no idea.</span> Could the people on board have thought they were defending themselves against people who were already shooting at them? Sure. But could the Israelis have used tear gas or non-live fire in reality and it was mistaken for live fire? That's also definitely possible. <u>It'd be great to see the tape to see if we can make a determination about that one way or another.</u>

<span style='font-size: 17pt'>Perhaps even more importantly, what happened after the moment in time captured by the tape? When did the commandos start firing on the passengers? When did they stop firing? In the tapes made on board, you can clearly hear that the ship has surrendered and the captain has put up the white flag - and there is still gunfire in the background.</span>

I can speak Turkish, so having watched all the tapes, I can tell you that over the loud speaker the people in charge of the ship are saying, "We have surrendered, the white flag is up, people are lying on the ground and they are still firing." And you still hear the gunfire as they are saying this on tape.

When did the commandos start shooting and, maybe even more importantly, when did they stop shooting? Was it all in the heat of an active confrontation or were there any shootings after people had already laid down and surrendered completely? That would seem to be a critical question.

<span style='font-size: 20pt'>Without the full tapes there is no way of knowing. Are there tapes of what happened after the one minute we have seen? Of course there are. There is no reason why they would have stopped taping at that point in time. They have selectively released only the portion of the tape that they think helps their cause.

So, it is incumbent upon Israel to release the full tapes immediately. There is no reason, other than propaganda and spin, not to release the tapes. If they show you were right in using force, then that helps to make your case. </span>I am completely open to that possibility. We shouldn't jump to conclusions. The full tapes might vindicate the IDF entirely. But if the IDF does not release the rest of the tapes, then it seems to be a fair assumption that the tapes do not help their case.

It's also very important that news organizations that run the tape released by the IDF note that this is only a very small fraction of what happened in this incident. And that the IDF refuses to release the tapes that would show the rest of the picture. If you're a news organization, you should be in the business of going after the whole truth, demanding as much information as possible and giving your viewers a full context of the story. I would hope that they would do that going forward.

If the Israeli government is convinced they took the appropriate action in this case, they can go a long way toward proving that by giving us the whole tape. If not, we have to assume they're hiding something. That opens them up to justifiable speculation as to what they really did on board that ship. <span style='font-size: 23pt'>In the end, nine passengers were killed and dozens more shot and wounded. How did that happen? Was it in any way justifiable? There's only one way to know. Release the tapes.</span></div></div>

What do they have to hide? The activists on board the ships were talkng pics and filming all the time. Where are these videos?


06-06-2010, 04:48 AM
Q -- I think that getting the true fakts here will be hard work.
Fortunately, we are lucky to hav full 100% knowledge of what happened 2010 years ago, when the jews got the romans to crucyfy a muslim prophet, and we didnt even need video.

06-06-2010, 06:40 AM
It won't matter what is released.

The anti semites among the left will lick the spoon of whatever Al Jazeera presents to them as the "TRUTH" of the matter.

I have no doubt that live fire was used before the boat was forcibly boarded ... that is standard procedure for stopping any boat that refuses to stop, fire a shot across the bow.

Again, that won't matter just as it doesn't matter that the Egyptians were also in on the blockade, just as it doesn't matter that leaders of the flotilla admit it wasn't a humanitarian mission, just as it doesn't matter that the leader of the flotilla admits the goal was to set up Israel, just as it doesn't matter that they were telling the Israelis to go "BACK TO AUSCHWITZ", just as it doesn't matter that radical Islam was and still is supportive of Hitler's "FINAL SOLUTION". just as it doesn't matter that Hamas and Hezbo-lala are pledged to the destruction of Isreal, just as it doesn't matter that Israel has given land for peace many times only to be betrayed.

The only things that will matter are finding a way to excuse those who are enemies of the capitalist west and any ridiculous means to blame those @*&#$%'ed Israelis for refusing to be victims again.