View Full Version : Senate Democrats propose quintupling taxes.

06-08-2010, 04:16 PM
This will really look good at the pump.



WASHINGTON (AP) Senate Democrats Tuesday proposed quintupling the tax that oil companies pay into a spill liability fund as they seek to pare back a House-passed tax hike on investment fund managers.

The tax changes are being made as the Senate again takes up legislation extending unemployment benefits and a variety of expired tax breaks enjoyed by both individuals and businesses.

Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., also proposed restoring $24 billion in aid to cash-strapped states to help them pay for their Medicaid budgets next year. Deficit concerns prompted House leaders to scrap a companion plan last month, generating criticism from governors and labor unions, who say that without the funding, states would have to lay off workers and make other painful budget cuts to make up for the budget shortfall.

The legislation unveiled Tuesday would raise the tax on oil produced offshore from 8 cents to 41 cents per barrel. That's nine cents higher than legislation that passed the House last month. The move to increase the tax would raise $15 billion over the coming decade as Congress seeks to shore up the fund in the wake of the catastrophic spill in the Gulf of Mexico.

But it's also being used to ease a tax hike passed by the House on investment fund managers and to help pay for other tax cuts.

Typically, fund managers get a fee to manage funds or assets. They also get a share of the profits earned for investors above a certain level.

Those shares of profits, called carried interest, are taxed as capital gains, with a top rate of 15 percent. The House bill would tax 75 percent of the fees as regular income, with has a top tax rate of 35 percent but is set to rise to 39.6 percent in 2011.

The Senate proposal would tax half the shares of profits as regular income in 2011 and 2012. Beginning in 2013, the portion taxed as regular income would rise to 65 percent.

In a move to lessen the bite on venture capitalists, the Senate bill would impose regular income taxes on only 55 percent of profits that are the result of sales of assets held for seven or more years.

Using the hike in oil cleanup fees to pay for other costs in the bill drew the ire of Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell.

"I think the American people think the oil cleanup trust fund ought to be used to clean up oil spills," McConnell said.

The Senate passed an earlier form of the broader legislation back in March. It would extend unemployment benefits for the long-term jobless through November and revive dozens of expired tax breaks for individuals and businesses, including a property tax deduction for people who don't itemize, lucrative credits that help businesses finance research and develop new products, and a sales tax deduction that mainly helps people in states without income taxes.

The measure is coming back for a second debate in the Senate because it was never sent to an official House-Senate negotiating committee. The changes made by the Senate, where passage is expected next week, would send the measure back to the House for another vote and then on to President Barack Obama for his signature.

A temporary extension of unemployment benefits and other lapsed programs expired last week, which means that more than 200,000 people per week who are eligible to reapply for jobless checks won't be able to do so. The cut-off does not affect the newly jobless, who are covered under state-financed unemployment insurance.

The measure would also provide $23 billion in help to the nation's doctors, who would otherwise be hit by a 21 percent cut in their Medicare reimbursements. The bill would temporarily fix the problem through the end of next year and actually give the doctors a 2.2 percent raise this year.

The catchall legislation also eliminates loopholes in the tax code that subsidize companies that ship U.S. jobs overseas and extends a program that subsidizes the borrowing costs of state and local governments undertaking new infrastructure projects.

06-09-2010, 06:46 AM
The silence on this one is stunning.

I guess they are just looking out for the little guy.

06-09-2010, 09:07 AM
This, from an administration that wasn't going to raise taxes on the poor and middle class???????????

We won't hear from them until the get their spoon feeding with the spin they are supposed to believe.


06-09-2010, 09:34 AM
In the Obamatronic brain's inner workings it is hardwired with many falsehoods ... among these are that any taxes/fees/licensing imposed upon industry is not a tax on individuals.

They operate in their collectivist echo chamber and assume that costs assessed to industry somehow magically are never incorporated into the end user's price.

They simply are not allowed to comprehend that business in reality does not pay and taxes, any license cost, or any gubmint fees ... all it really does is collect these additional costs from the end user and pass them along to the state.

This hidden mechanism of taxation is a large part of what has allowed the gubmint beast to grow unchecked for these many years.

As additional costs are levied against industry by gubmint fiat, there are very limited possibilities:

1 - Raise prices to the end user.

2 - Cut overhead, almost always employees, to offset the new costs.

3 - Expand their customer base to recoup the costs, which in a mature economy almost always results in the destruction of another business.

4 - Cut dividends to shareholders ... which is destructive to stock prices, retiree income, and investment capital available for further economic growth.

5 -Move production/customer service offshore.

6 - Cheapen the product or service to recoup the costs.

7 - Die as a company.

But ... if leftists had even a cursory understanding of economics they wouldn't be leftists in the first place.


06-09-2010, 10:00 AM
It is a basic reality of economics.
Businesses and Corporations do not pay taxes.
Only individuals pay taxes.
If a tax is levied on a business, it is ultimately paid by individuals.

Corporations don't even make money. They gather money that belongs to the individuals that make up the corporation.

Corporations do not make profits. The individuals who own corporations make profits.

Only rich people own corporations? False! Anyone who has money in a retirement account, stock portfolio, or a life insurance policy, owns several corporations.

People who slam corporate profits and fools.


06-09-2010, 10:17 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It is a basic reality of economics.

Steve </div></div>

True ... but we are dealing people who really believe we can achieve energy independence by riding unicorns and powering the economy on pixie dust.

Beyond that ... if it were truly possible to do that, they would take to the streets demanding we all ride smaller unicorns and pontificate on the dangers of pixie dust.


06-09-2010, 10:21 AM
Pixie dust is bad for the ozone and contributes to global warming!!!



06-09-2010, 11:11 AM
Not a peep from the Obama crowd.

How strange.