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Sev
06-12-2010, 01:02 PM
An interesting development.
"The enemy of my enemy is my friend", seems to be the case here.

The Anointed one will not be pleased. No not at all.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article7148555.ece

June 12, 2010
Saudi Arabia gives Israel clear skies to attack Iranian nuclear sites
Hugh Tomlinson

Saudi Arabia has conducted tests to stand down its air defences to enable Israeli jets to make a bombing raid on Iran’s nuclear facilities, The Times can reveal.

In the week that the UN Security Council imposed a new round of sanctions on Tehran, defence sources in the Gulf say that Riyadh has agreed to allow Israel to use a narrow corridor of its airspace in the north of the country to shorten the distance for a bombing run on Iran.

To ensure the Israeli bombers pass unmolested, Riyadh has carried out tests to make certain its own jets are not scrambled and missile defence systems not activated. Once the Israelis are through, the kingdom’s air defences will return to full alert.


“The Saudis have given their permission for the Israelis to pass over and they will look the other way,” said a US defence source in the area. “They have already done tests to make sure their own jets aren’t scrambled and no one gets shot down. This has all been done with the agreement of the [US] State Department.”

Sources in Saudi Arabia say it is common knowledge within defence circles in the kingdom that an arrangement is in place if Israel decides to launch the raid. Despite the tension between the two governments, they share a mutual loathing of the regime in Tehran and a common fear of Iran’s nuclear ambitions. “We all know this. We will let them [the Israelis] through and see nothing,” said one.

The four main targets for any raid on Iran would be the uranium enrichment facilities at Natanz and Qom, the gas storage development at Isfahan and the heavy-water reactor at Arak. Secondary targets include the lightwater reactor at Bushehr, which could produce weapons-grade plutonium when complete.

The targets lie as far as 1,400 miles (2,250km) from Israel; the outer limits of their bombers’ range, even with aerial refuelling. An open corridor across northern Saudi Arabia would significantly shorten the distance. An airstrike would involve multiple waves of bombers, possibly crossing Jordan, northern Saudi Arabia and Iraq. Aircraft attacking Bushehr, on the Gulf coast, could swing beneath Kuwait to strike from the southwest.

Passing over Iraq would require at least tacit agreement to the raid from Washington. So far, the Obama Administration has refused to give its approval as it pursues a diplomatic solution to curbing Iran’s nuclear ambitions. Military analysts say Israel has held back only because of this failure to secure consensus from America and Arab states. Military analysts doubt that an airstrike alone would be sufficient to knock out the key nuclear facilities, which are heavily fortified and deep underground or within mountains. However, if the latest sanctions prove ineffective the pressure from the Israelis on Washington to approve military action will intensify. Iran vowed to continue enriching uranium after the UN Security Council imposed its toughest sanctions yet in an effort to halt the Islamic Republic’s nuclear programme, which Tehran claims is intended for civil energy purposes only. President Ahmadinejad has described the UN resolution as “a used handkerchief, which should be thrown in the dustbin”.

Israeli officials refused to comment yesterday on details for a raid on Iran, which the Prime Minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, has refused to rule out. Questioned on the option of a Saudi flight path for Israeli bombers, Aharaon Zeevi Farkash, who headed military intelligence until 2006 and has been involved in war games simulating a strike on Iran, said: “I know that Saudi Arabia is even more afraid than Israel of an Iranian nuclear capacity.”

In 2007 Israel was reported to have used Turkish air space to attack a suspected nuclear reactor being built by Iran’s main regional ally, Syria. Although Turkey publicly protested against the “violation” of its air space, it is thought to have turned a blind eye in what many saw as a dry run for a strike on Iran’s far more substantial — and better-defended — nuclear sites.

Israeli intelligence experts say that Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Jordan are at least as worried as themselves and the West about an Iranian nuclear arsenal.Israel has sent missile-class warships and at least one submarine capable of launching a nuclear warhead through the Suez Canal for deployment in the Red Sea within the past year, as both a warning to Iran and in anticipation of a possible strike. Israeli newspapers reported last year that high-ranking officials, including the former Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, have met their Saudi Arabian counterparts to discuss the Iranian issue. It was also reported that Meir Dagan, the head of Mossad, met Saudi intelligence officials last year to gain assurances that Riyadh would turn a blind eye to Israeli jets violating Saudi airspace during the bombing run. Both governments have denied the reports.

LWW
06-12-2010, 05:22 PM
Isn't it astonishing that a terrorism sponsoring Wahabiist (SP?) Islamic state is more supportive of Israel's right to exist than the current POTUS?

LWW

Sev
06-13-2010, 04:49 AM
I cant wait to see the news conference after the Israeli air force is through with Iran.

I think even the TOTUS will be stuttering.

LWW
06-13-2010, 08:29 AM
I hope I am wrong ... but I honestly believe dearest leader will place US forces in the middle of this to protect Iran.

LWW

Deeman3
06-13-2010, 09:35 AM
I hope not but who knows anymore?

pooltchr
06-13-2010, 09:39 AM
I've given up trying to predict what this POTUS might or might not do.

Steve

Sev
06-13-2010, 06:17 PM
Jews and Saudis working together must be giving the libs the hives.

eg8r
06-14-2010, 11:06 AM
This is definitely interesting but I think it is going potentially put us in a tough place. To be honest we really don't need to be joining in another war and if Israel starts bombing Iran then we are going to be forced into just that.

eg8r

Sev
06-14-2010, 01:51 PM
I agree.
However if the Persians dont stand down Israel will move to action with or without the US blessing.

Please note that the state department has approved the Saudis allowing Israel to use an open corridor.

hondo
06-14-2010, 05:51 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I hope I am wrong ... but I honestly believe dearest leader will place US forces in the middle of this to protect Iran.

LWW </div></div>

I believe you're right, Larry.
All Democrats hate Israel and hate America.
But we loves our terrorists. Yes, we do.
You know why?
Because we know that terrorists only target hard-working patriotic Republicans, never lazy, commie Democrats.
YEE HAW!
Get er done, Obammey!

hondo
06-14-2010, 05:54 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I hope I am wrong ... but I honestly believe dearest leader will place US forces in the middle of this to protect Iran.

LWW </div></div>

Well, at least you SAY you hope you're wrong.
I guess that says something for you.
I'm to the point that I'll take any redeeming qualities I can find in you.

hondo
06-14-2010, 05:56 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Jews and Saudis working together must be giving the libs the hives. </div></div>

I hates it! I hates it! Gollum!
We libs loves our terrorists. My, my, yes.

hondo
06-14-2010, 05:59 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I agree.
However if the Persians dont stand down Israel will move to action with or without the US blessing.

Please note that the state department has approved the Saudis allowing Israel to use an open corridor. </div></div>

WHAT!! But, but, but, aren't their a bunch of libs in the State Department these days?
You have me cornfused, hoss.

Sev
06-14-2010, 07:34 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I agree.
However if the Persians dont stand down Israel will move to action with or without the US blessing.

Please note that the state department has approved the Saudis allowing Israel to use an open corridor. </div></div>

WHAT!! But, but, but, aren't their a bunch of libs in the State Department these days?
You have me cornfused, hoss. </div></div>

Dude. Hillary has got her own game plan.

eg8r
06-14-2010, 09:41 PM
Well if this happens it will be the only thing to get Obama to do what he says...pull troops out of Iraq. That is the only way to support Israel.

eg8r

Sev
06-15-2010, 06:38 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well if this happens it will be the only thing to get Obama to do what he says...pull troops out of Iraq. That is the only way to support Israel.

eg8r </div></div>

If the Israel's go in there will be a game change of some sort.

Obama's and the UN's middle east efforts will be seen as a total failure.
Salvaging anything will be near to impossible.

The Israeli's would be smart if they started a campaign to support the revolutionaries that want their government changed. If the Israeli's could have the Iranian military in disarray and the revolutionaries could mobilize it would be perfect timing for a coup d'etat.

The balance of power in the region would change quickly.

Gayle in MD
06-15-2010, 08:23 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well if this happens it will be the only thing to get Obama to do what he says...pull troops out of Iraq. That is the only way to support Israel.

eg8r </div></div>

If the Israel's go in there will be a game change of some sort.

Obama's and the UN's middle east efforts will be seen as a total failure.
Salvaging anything will be near to impossible.

The Israeli's would be smart if they started a campaign to support the revolutionaries that want their government changed. If the Israeli's could have the Iranian military in disarray and the revolutionaries could mobilize it would be perfect timing for a coup d'etat.

The balance of power in the region would change quickly.
</div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Obama's and the UN's middle east efforts will be seen as a total failure.
Salvaging anything will be near to impossible.
</div></div>

So you applaud this? Are you crazy? You apparently have no concerns about the loss of life, and no concerns over a Middle East in complete disaray.

What Bush did was bad enough, now you want more lives lost and more destruction, just so Obama will fail?

Pulling warring countries to the conference table used to be America's goal, before the communist chickenhawk neocons took over. Reasonable people hope for peaceful solutions.

G.

eg8r
06-15-2010, 09:16 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So you applaud this?</div></div>You are quickly turning into a nutjob. No one is applauding anything and there was nothing in Sev's post to lead anyone to believe that except for partisan nut like yourself.

Sev and I were discussing the outcomes we felt might occur should Israel start bombing. It was not political at all.

eg8r

Sev
06-15-2010, 09:28 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well if this happens it will be the only thing to get Obama to do what he says...pull troops out of Iraq. That is the only way to support Israel.

eg8r </div></div>

If the Israel's go in there will be a game change of some sort.

Obama's and the UN's middle east efforts will be seen as a total failure.
Salvaging anything will be near to impossible.

The Israeli's would be smart if they started a campaign to support the revolutionaries that want their government changed. If the Israeli's could have the Iranian military in disarray and the revolutionaries could mobilize it would be perfect timing for a coup d'etat.

The balance of power in the region would change quickly.
</div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Obama's and the UN's middle east efforts will be seen as a total failure.
Salvaging anything will be near to impossible.
</div></div>

So you applaud this? Are you crazy? You apparently have no concerns about the loss of life, and no concerns over a Middle East in complete disaray.

What Bush did was bad enough, now you want more lives lost and more destruction, just so Obama will fail?

Pulling warring countries to the conference table used to be America's goal, before the communist chickenhawk neocons took over. Reasonable people hope for peaceful solutions.

G.

</div></div>

I didnt say I wanted Obama to fail. It matters very little to me who gets the praise for a final and lasting peace accord.

I am merely pointing out the scenario.

Remember the state department is backing the Saudi/Israeli union in this matter.
The administration is playing a game here.
Iraq is a no fly zone while Saudi Arabia is.

They are playing both ends against the center.

Gayle in MD
06-15-2010, 10:35 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So you applaud this?</div></div>You are quickly turning into a nutjob. No one is applauding anything and there was nothing in Sev's post to lead anyone to believe that except for partisan nut like yourself.

Sev and I were discussing the outcomes we felt might occur should Israel start bombing. It was not political at all.

eg8r </div></div>

Generally a thumbs up icon indicates great approval of the title of the post.

Applauding an action by Israel which would tear apart peace negotiations, is un-American, to say the least, and stunningly ignorant, not to mention the impact on our troops!

Now go back to your twinkie.

G.

Gayle in MD
06-15-2010, 10:41 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well if this happens it will be the only thing to get Obama to do what he says...pull troops out of Iraq. That is the only way to support Israel.

eg8r </div></div>

If the Israel's go in there will be a game change of some sort.

Obama's and the UN's middle east efforts will be seen as a total failure.
Salvaging anything will be near to impossible.

The Israeli's would be smart if they started a campaign to support the revolutionaries that want their government changed. If the Israeli's could have the Iranian military in disarray and the revolutionaries could mobilize it would be perfect timing for a coup d'etat.

The balance of power in the region would change quickly.
</div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Obama's and the UN's middle east efforts will be seen as a total failure.
Salvaging anything will be near to impossible.
</div></div>

So you applaud this? Are you crazy? You apparently have no concerns about the loss of life, and no concerns over a Middle East in complete disaray.

What Bush did was bad enough, now you want more lives lost and more destruction, just so Obama will fail?

Pulling warring countries to the conference table used to be America's goal, before the communist chickenhawk neocons took over. Reasonable people hope for peaceful solutions.

G.

</div></div>

I didnt say I wanted Obama to fail. It matters very little to me who gets the praise for a final and lasting peace accord.

I am merely pointing out the scenario.

Remember the state department is backing the Saudi/Israeli union in this matter.
The administration is playing a game here.
Iraq is a no fly zone while Saudi Arabia is.

They are playing both ends against the center. </div></div>

Where do you get these statements? Our policy does not include Israel going off half cocked with bombs.

We don't need any more bombing in the Middle East. Our policy is to negotiate a peace accord, not more destablization in the Middle East.

Pulling troops out of Iraq, has nothing to do with anything Israel does.

If they destablize by bombing, and blow up a mess over there, the world will be against them. We are not supportive of Israel bombing Iran.

I think you need to read some of the statements by our former Secretaries of State. Most of them see the rightwing in Israel, as equal to Hamas.

It is in no country's interest for Israel to bomb Iran, and certainly not Israels'. You obviously know little of Middle East Affairs.

G.

eg8r
06-15-2010, 11:00 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Generally a thumbs up icon indicates great approval of the title of the post.</div></div>Well on the post you responded to and quoted there was no "thumbs up" icon.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
06-15-2010, 11:49 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Generally a thumbs up icon indicates great approval of the title of the post.</div></div>Well on the post you responded to and quoted there was no "thumbs up" icon.

eg8r </div></div>

The flavor of the post I responded to was in line with the title and icon of the subject of the thread.


You are a nitpicker.

Now either address the subject matter, or shut up.

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eg8r
06-15-2010, 12:15 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Now either address the subject matter, or shut up.</div></div>I have been, nutjob, and you jumped in foolishly. You jumped into a conversation that sev and I were having and now you look the fool for doing so. Again, I will continue to address whatever BS you choose to put in your post. If you don't want me commenting on what you post then it would be best for you to shut up and not bring those things up.

You were flat out wrong to insinuate Sev was "applauding" Obama's potential failure and I explained why. You then wanted, quite foolisly, to defend yourself with a discussion on the icons. Maybe in the future when you have no intelligent defense you will just shut up and accept the fact that you were wrong.

eg8r

Sev
06-15-2010, 01:22 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So you applaud this?</div></div>You are quickly turning into a nutjob. No one is applauding anything and there was nothing in Sev's post to lead anyone to believe that except for partisan nut like yourself.

Sev and I were discussing the outcomes we felt might occur should Israel start bombing. It was not political at all.

eg8r </div></div>

Generally a thumbs up icon indicates great approval of the title of the post.

Applauding an action by Israel which would tear apart peace negotiations, is un-American, to say the least, and stunningly ignorant, not to mention the impact on our troops!

Now go back to your twinkie.

G. </div></div>

And what would a nuclear strike against Israel do?

Gayle in MD
06-15-2010, 02:30 PM
Any additional strife in the Middle East, would put our troops at a far greater risk.

The Palestinians have been ready to sign onto a peace accord. Israel is the problem, not Hamas, and not the Palestinians.

The Israeli blockaid is seen all over the world, as inhumane.

G.

Sev
06-15-2010, 02:35 PM
Oh please.

The Palestinian people may want peace. However the terrorists in their midst do not.

Israel is not preventing humanitarian aid from getting to its destination.

They are searching. Not seizing.

Gayle in MD
06-15-2010, 03:02 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Oh please.

The Palestinian people may want peace. However the terrorists in their midst do not.

Israel is not preventing humanitarian aid from getting to its destination.

They are searching. Not seizing. </div></div>

You apparently don't even know the vast list of supplies that Israel is blocking. They are blocking everything! Including medicine, buiding supplies, herbs which are used in their cooking, school supplies. Why do you think other countries are committed to taking supplies to Gaza.

Do some reading on the subject.

Too many Americans rely on television for their information.

G.