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Gayle in MD
06-15-2010, 10:53 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> LOUISVILLE, Ky. Rand Paul, who touts his career as a Kentucky eye doctor as part of his outsider credentials in his campaign for U.S. Senate, isn't certified by his profession's leading group.

He tried Monday to bat away questions about it by calling it an attack on his livelihood, saying the scrutiny stems from his challenge of a powerful medical group over a certification policy he thought was unfair.

The libertarian-leaning Republican helped create a rival certification group more than a decade ago. He said the group has since recertified several hundred ophthalmologists, despite not being recognized the American Board of Medical Specialties the governing group for two dozen medical specialty boards.

Questions about Paul's certification as an eye surgeon first arose in a story published Sunday in The Courier-Journal of Louisville.

Paul, who is continuing to practice in Bowling Green during the campaign, chafed Monday at questions about his certification.

"It's a personal assault on my ability to make a living," Paul told The Associated Press in a telephone interview.

Paul, whose father, Ron Paul, is a Texas congressman and former presidential candidate, said he is a good physician with thousands of patients. Paul casts himself as a political outsider spent years building his medical practice in Bowling Green before making his first run for elective office.

By focusing on an internal struggle within his profession, he said, "you vilify me and make it out to sound, 'Oh, ... there's something wrong with him as a physician because he chose not to register" with the American Board of Ophthalmology.

Paul said he helped formed the rival group because the established organization exempted older ophthalmologists from recertification. He likened it to members of Congress passing laws that don't apply to themselves.

The campaign for his Democratic rival, Kentucky Attorney General Jack Conway, said the episode raises serious questions about Paul's character. Conway's campaign said it shows Paul doesn't want to be held to the same standards as other doctors.

"It is clear that Rand Paul does not think the rules apply to him," Conway campaign manager Jonathan Drobis said in a statement Monday.

Paul, a graduate of Duke University's medical school, said he was board certified under the American Board of Ophthalmology for a decade. Paul has been licensed to practice in Kentucky since 1993.

In the late 1990s, Paul was a driving force behind forming the National Board of Ophthalmology to protest the ABO's exemption policy.

"I don't think that some people should recertify and others shouldn't," he said. "And I don't choose to give my money to a private group that discriminates."

Paul has been certified through the National Board of Ophthalmology since 2005. He is listed as the group's president; his wife, Kelley, is listed as vice president; and his father-in-law is listed as secretary. Paul and his relatives receive no salaries from the organization, his campaign said.

Beth Ann Slembarski, administrator for the American Board of Ophthalmology, said less than 5 percent of the nation's practicing ophthalmologists aren't certified through her organization.

Slembarski said that certification through the ABO reflects "an extra commitment by physicians to demonstrate their knowledge and skills in this specialty."

Before 1992, ABO certification had no expiration, she said. After that, it started issuing certifications that lasted 10 years, but ophthalmologists certified before 1992 were grandfathered in, meaning they didn't have to be recertified.

Neither group has anything to do with medical licensure, which is handled by state boards.

Paul shrugged off his group's lack of recognition by the American Board of Medical Specialties.

"Do you think that they're going to recognize a competitor?" he said.


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eg8r
06-15-2010, 11:01 AM
Haha, this is hilarious. You are questioning this guys lack of certification yet you belittle those who want to see Obama's actual birth certificate? Hypocrite.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
06-15-2010, 11:10 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Haha, this is hilarious. You are questioning this guys lack of certification yet you belittle those who want to see Obama's actual birth certificate? Hypocrite.

eg8r </div></div>

Stop with the nasty name calling, Ed, or you will be promptly back on Ignore.

I suppose you'd allow yourself, or your kids, to have their eyes operated by a doctor who isn't certified by the American Board of Opthamolosits?


The guy thinks the standards don't apply to him...

So you're a birther? BWA HA HA HA...the birthe certificate has been donfirmed over and over again, by all officials in Hawaii.

Now I can put you where you belong, with the nutty RW. Only a true nutcase could question the President's American birth, after all of the proof that has been confirmed.

Nuff said.

G.

pooltchr
06-15-2010, 11:24 AM
Ed,
When they fear someone, that is when they launch their strongest attacks.

Steve

eg8r
06-15-2010, 11:29 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I suppose you'd allow yourself, or your kids, to have their eyes operated by a doctor who isn't certified by the American Board of Opthamolosits?
</div></div>Am I a birther, not sure but you like the name calling don't you. All I am doing is pointing out your partisanship with respect to providing proof.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
06-15-2010, 11:36 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I suppose you'd allow yourself, or your kids, to have their eyes operated by a doctor who isn't certified by the American Board of Opthamolosits?
</div></div>Am I a birther, not sure but you like the name calling don't you. All I am doing is pointing out your partisanship with respect to providing proof.

eg8r </div></div>

LMAO! Like you provide proof for anything you write? BWA HA HA HA...that's a good one.

The only "Proof" you provide is how insulting you are.

You need proof for a charge that Paul himself, admits?

Silly boy.

I long ago posted the picture of the President's birth certificate. It's on fact check.org, and even shows the perforated seal.

So, birther? Do tell? I do like to keep it straight who is and isn't a birther.

G.

G.

Deeman3
06-15-2010, 11:41 AM
I bet he knew there were 50 states, not 57 as Obama did. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

Better yet is to pull up his medical records on how many botched surgeries he has performed while in practice. It would seem as high profile as he is, that if he were less than an outstanding physician he woould have been outted by now.

Gayle in MD
06-15-2010, 12:10 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deeman3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I bet he knew there were 50 states, not 57 as Obama did. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

I never saw that. Got a link?


Better yet is to pull up his medical records on how many botched surgeries he has performed while in practice.

That isn't the point, at all.
It would seem as high profile as he is, that if he were less than an outstanding physician he woould have been outted by now.

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I'm sure you would seek out a specialist that is not certified, to operate on your eyes. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

eg8r
06-15-2010, 12:26 PM
Here is your link... Is he referring to the 57 states of the US or the 57 Islamic states? (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/05/barack-obama-wa.html)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: deeman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Better yet is to pull up his medical records on how many botched surgeries he has performed while in practice.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gayle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That isn't the point, at all. </div></div></div></div>Oh but gaylio, it was the point you were trying to make with me, was it not?...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gaylio response to eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I suppose you'd allow yourself, or your kids, to have their eyes operated by a doctor who isn't certified by the American Board of Opthamolosits?</div></div>The only weight people in the US give to certifications is whether or not the guy is successful as the procedure to be performed.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
06-15-2010, 12:58 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here is your link... Is he referring to the 57 states of the US or the 57 Islamic states? (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/05/barack-obama-wa.html)

And here is a sentence preceeding the understandable slip:


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Obama pulled that off O.K. But then he drifted away from the text a tad, as rookies are wont to do sometimes, forgetting how exhausting this primary process is and should be. And trusting in their instincts, their very tired instincts.

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Partisan Nitpicker!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: deeman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Better yet is to pull up his medical records on how many botched surgeries he has performed while in practice.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gayle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That isn't the point, at all. </div></div></div></div>Oh but gaylio, it was the point you were trying to make with me, was it not?...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gaylio response to eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I suppose you'd allow yourself, or your kids, to have their eyes operated by a doctor who isn't certified by the American Board of Opthamolosits?</div></div>The only weight people in the US give to certifications is whether or not the guy is successful as the procedure to be performed.

eg8r </div></div>


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The only weight people in the US give to certifications is whether or not the guy is successful as the procedure to be performed. </div></div>


LMAO! Not anyone I know! You don't speak for people in the US. You only speak for Ed, the partisan nitpicker, who likes to argue for the sake of arguing, over nothing important.

A waste of time.

G.

Sev
06-15-2010, 01:25 PM
Dont see the problem.

Is he a legally licensed physician or not?

Gayle in MD
06-15-2010, 01:35 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deeman3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I bet he knew there were 50 states, not 57 as Obama did. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

Better yet is to pull up his medical records on how many botched surgeries he has performed while in practice. It would seem as high profile as he is, that if he were less than an outstanding physician he woould have been outted by now.

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Rand Paul wants to cut government spending for education, farmers, children's health programs and for just about every other program you can think of, but not for physicians. As the Lexington Herald-Leader pointed out today, he "built his medical practice on payments from Medicare and Medicaid, the massive government health care programs considered to be leading contributors to the national debt... and roughly half of his medical income comes from the two programs."

Paul, the Republican nominee, has been paid $130,461 in Medicaid funds since 2006, about one-third of the sum that he billed the program, according to the state Cabinet for Health and Family Services, which administers that program. Doctors' Medicaid billings often are disputed in part, leading to smaller payments than they requested.

...On the campaign trail, Paul calls for the abolition of entire agencies, such as the U.S. Department of Education, while complaining that Medicare payments to doctors have been cut too deeply, making it one of the few government expenses he consistently defends.

"Physicians should be allowed to make a comfortable living," Paul told supporters in Louisville in May, according to the Wall Street Journal.

Paul's campaign chairman, David Adams, said the candidate's political and personal stances are not inconsistent. Paul is sincerely critical of government spending, but being an eye surgeon essentially requires him to accept Medicare and Medicaid patients, Adams said.

"If you look at it from a medical perspective, who gets their eyes operated on? Usually, it's older people," Adams said. "And in this country, you don't have much choice after you turn 65. You're usually on Medicare. So I don't know how you avoid Medicare."

By contrast, Paul's father, U.S. Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, also is a doctor who criticizes deficit spending. But Ron Paul refuses to take Medicare and Medicaid funds, calling it "stolen money." Under federal rules, doctors can opt out of the programs, which serve the elderly and the poor, respectively.

Rand and his pop seem to be at odds over several things. Remember when he opposed Insiders and corporatists? Just kidding, everybody! And although Rand apologists claim he'll join his father in opposing foreign wars, he certainly isn't campaigning on that platform-- to put it mildly. He told Sean Hannity that he would have certainly voted to attack Afghanistan, although he didn't talk about the attack on Iraq one way or the other. And I've also heard a couple of peeps and squawks from his devotees and followers that he's for legalizing pot. Maybe they're channeling it 'cause he sure isn't campaigning on that issue. He's even given up on his crazy war against the imaginary Amero, an alternative currency he used to use to frighten the black helicopter crowd with. In fact, he's been busy distancing himself from both the teababggers who got him the GOP nomination (and a reputation as a kook) and from libertarianism itself-- and scrubbing his website to reflect his "evolving" set of "beliefs."

Republican Rand Paul said Tuesday he differs with the Libertarian Party by opposing abortion and supporting judicious overseas troop deployment, distancing himself from the party his father once represented in a presidential election.

The U.S. Senate candidate from Kentucky told syndicated conservative talk show host Sean Hannity that he doesn't fit the mold of a Libertarian. Paul said his conservative social views and willingness to send troops abroad to protect the U.S. set him apart from the party some have tried to associate him with.

"Instead of maybe saying we're never anywhere overseas, I say we need to be more judicious in where we are, in that I don't think we can afford to be everywhere all the time," Paul said. "But it also doesn't mean that we never intervene and that we can allow people to attack us."

Another way he's different from Paul, Sr. is that the Texas congressman is licensed to practice medicine. Rand... not so much.

Hidden behind an online "subscribers' only" wall, the Sunday Courier-Journal boasts an exclusive story about Rand Paul's medical accreditation-- or lack thereof. Paul, Jr. has made a point of claiming to be a "board-certified" ophthalmologist but the "national clearinghouse for such certifications says he hasn't been for the past five years."

Paul, who practices in Bowling Green, says he is certified by the National Board of Ophthalmology, a group that he incorporated in 1999 and that he heads.

But that entity is not recognized by the American Board of Medical Specialties, which works with the American Medical Association to approve such specialty boards... "He's not board-certified," [a spokesperson for the American Board of Medical Specialties] said of Paul.

He used to be-- lied outright during the campaign and claimed he still is, in fact-- but then he started his own bogus board and now he's refusing to comment on the whole thing. In fact he told the state's biggest newspaper that he will "never" comment on it and that it has nothing to do with the election. Well, even apart from the character issue-- <span style='font-size: 17pt'>I mean who wants another liar in the Senate, let alone operating on your eyes?-- it so happens that Paul, who's been sued for malpractice a couple of times (paying off one ex-patient $50,000 to get him to go away) and that the Kentucky Board of Medical Licensure has never sanctioned him!</span>
So why did he start his new bogus board in 1999 (and again in 2005 since it had lapsed in 2000 and he was about to lose his accreditation to practice at all that year), the one he owns and claims to be president of but that isn't recognized by anyone, anywhere as anything but another of his kooky delusions? (His wife is the vice-president of the thing but she won't comment either.) Paul objected to the requirement that doctors be re-certified every decade proving that they're keeping up with developments in their field. <span style='font-size: 17pt'>Paul is no longer a certified ophthalmologist but continues to claim he is-- and, worse, continues to operate on patients. At least this campaign thing is keeping him from doing that anymore!</span> </div></div>


A Quack and a liar.

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http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.com/2010/06/maybe-even-worse-than-rand-paul-being.html

pooltchr
06-15-2010, 01:56 PM
I don't see a link to your source.

If he were practicing without a license, he would be in jail!
Steve

eg8r
06-15-2010, 06:46 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Obama pulled that off O.K. But then he drifted away from the text a tad, as rookies are wont to do sometimes, forgetting how exhausting this primary process is and should be. And trusting in their instincts, their very tired instincts.
</div></div>Whatever. Give your crackhead boy a break but no one else.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Partisan Nitpicker!
</div></div>There is nothing political in the quotes that I pulled of you lying. It is plain as day, while foolishly arguing your non-point with one person you are contradicting yourself in another argument.

eg8r

Sev
06-15-2010, 07:07 PM
It must be tough living in that sheltered little world.

LWW
06-16-2010, 10:54 AM
You didn't read your own link did you dearie?

He isn't certified by one board because he and othe doctors protested that boards lax standards.

So, in essence your complaint is that the man has higher standards than you think he should have.

That was simply precious.

LWW

Sev
06-16-2010, 11:07 AM
Oh my!!!

LWW
06-16-2010, 02:54 PM
It never ceases to amaze me how many people insist on bringing a letter opener to a pistol duel.

LWW

Qtec
06-17-2010, 02:12 AM
I have seen a few interviews with RP and IMO he SHOULD be certified.

The guy is a nutjob.

Q

Gayle in MD
06-17-2010, 05:02 AM
Absolutely! In fact, there are so many nutjobs on the right, It's hard to keep up with all of the insane rhetoric!

G.

eg8r
06-17-2010, 07:11 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LMAO! Like you provide proof for anything you write? BWA HA HA HA...that's a good one.</div></div>I thought that would go over your head. Let me spell it out for you...with respect to providing proof I was not referring to the dribble that leaks out of your mouth and onto this forum. I was referring to the type of proof you are willing to accept if it comes from a Dem leader or a Rep leader. Meaning, you want some certification from RP to continue his practice yet you are not wanting a birth certificate from Obama to prove he is a citizen. You are a hypocrite and it gets tiring having to explain such simple things to someone of your age.

Just so you know, a digitally scanned birth certificate is not even accepted at the DMV for a driver's license. But for wimpy Dems who just need to have their cokehead it will be ok this time around.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
06-19-2010, 05:47 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LMAO! Like you provide proof for anything you write? BWA HA HA HA...that's a good one.</div></div>I thought that would go over your head. Let me spell it out for you...with respect to providing proof I was not referring to the dribble that leaks out of your mouth and onto this forum. I was referring to the type of proof you are willing to accept if it comes from a Dem leader or a Rep leader. Meaning, you want some certification from RP to continue his practice yet you are not wanting a birth certificate from Obama to prove he is a citizen. You are a hypocrite and it gets tiring having to explain such simple things to someone of your age.

Just so you know, a digitally scanned birth certificate is not even accepted at the DMV for a driver's license. But for wimpy Dems who just need to have their cokehead it will be ok this time around.

eg8r </div></div>
Your "Opinions" are your right to hole, Ed,, but using your "Opinions" to attack people others who DO post credible links to support their opinions, is more than absurd, it's actually stunningly ignorant on your part.

You really ought to read what people link here on this forum.

The Governor Of Hawaii, and an entire list of Hawaiian officials, have vouched for President Obama's citizenship.

Even with all of your usual insults, due to the flaw you mentioned in your personality, Ed, I actually didn't think you were careless and unquestioning enough to be one of the "Birthers"

You might want to go to Factcheck.org to see the information, all of it, which completely blows away all of the birther lies about the President's citizenship.

It is absolutely absurd to suggest such drivel. The Republicans would have had attorney's lined up on the Supreme Court's steps, if there were any possibility that this president was not a United States Of America, citizen.

And while we're on the subject of your own blathering idiocy, it might interest you to know that a huge portion of Mr. Anti-goverment, Anti-entitlement, Paul's income, comes directly from Medicare and Medicaid.

IOW Just another hypocrite, like Palin, Limpballs, Boehner, McConnell, Bachmann, Cheney, Bush annd a slew of other crooks and Liars.

G.

wolfdancer
06-19-2010, 06:21 PM
I though we had put the non American thing to rest.....if it were true....where were the challenges, beforehand, on Obama?
The answer could be that....they just never thought an African-American could win in this country....and were counting on the Bubba Backlash(backwoods?) vote for an easy win.
Well now that we know their weakness...we are selecting out next candidate from this fine group of Gentlemen: (is that a Rush Limp-bough bust, one gentleman is holding up?)
http://www.brookstreetpictures.com/jackbrooks/press/photos/African-Natives-in-Jack-Brooks-Monster-Slayer.jpg

eg8r
06-21-2010, 07:53 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Governor Of Hawaii, and an entire list of Hawaiian officials, have vouched for President Obama's citizenship.</div></div>Gayle, that has nothing to do with him providing his actual birth certificate. It is just that easy. Again, you are willing to take the word of someone else in defense of a dem but you would throw a rep under the bus with the same level of defense.

eg8r

eg8r
06-21-2010, 07:57 AM
Why would you think it was put to rest? Is it because he is a dem and you are willing to accept anyone's reply if it is in defense of Obama? He never provided the actual document so it will never be put to rest.

For the record I did not bring this up to announce I am "birther" because I really don't care either way. The country would be even worse off if we removed Obama and allowed his idiot running mate any more control than he might already have. One thing the Obama admin has done well is muzzle that freaking idiot. I brought this up to show the hypocrisy amongst the left here on the board. You are willing to accept what anyone says as "proof" instead of seeing the real document when you would never allow that to fly with a Rep.

eg8r