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Gayle in MD
06-15-2010, 12:00 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">DUBLIN Ireland announced Tuesday it's expelling an Israeli embassy official in punishment for the alleged Mossad use of forged Irish passports to assassinate a top Hamas militant in Dubai, further damaging strained Irish-Israeli relations.

Israel has refused to confirm or deny its agents' involvement in the January slaying of Hamas official Mahmoud al-Mabhouh. Dubai police said Israeli agents posing as holidaymakers in the oil-rich Arab emirate killed Mabhouh in his hotel room.

They said assassins using 32 fake passports including eight depicting fictional Irish citizens participated in the hit squad. The Irish Department of Foreign Affairs and Ireland's national police force, the Garda Siochana, launched parallel investigations, but said their appeals for information from Israel fell on deaf ears.

"The misuse of Irish passports by a state with which Ireland enjoys friendly, if sometimes frank, bilateral relations is clearly unacceptable and requires a firm response," Irish Foreign Minister Micheal Martin said as he announced the expulsion.

Ireland's two investigations received no cooperation from the Israelis, but nevertheless reached "the inescapable conclusion that an Israeli government agency was responsible," he said.

The Israeli embassy in Dublin includes four diplomats and two security officials. Both Ireland and Israel declined to identify the official facing expulsion by name or position, but The Irish Times reported it was one of the security officials.

Martin said the official was chosen for expulsion to send a symbolic message, and the Irish investigations found no evidence that any of the embassy staff was involved in the conspiracy.

"The official concerned is not accused or suspected of any particular wrongdoing," Martin said. "The official concerned is a victim of the actions of the state they represent."

Martin condemned Israel's alleged assassination of Mabhouh.

Many allegations have been made against Mr. Mabhouh which, if true, would categorize him as a committed terrorist," Martin said. <span style='font-size: 20pt'>But Ireland "does not believe that states should fight terror with terror. As a matter of principle, Ireland opposes extra-judicial killings. We believe that states have a duty to operate according to the law and to respect that way of life that terrorists seek to destroy."</span>
Martin's aides said this was the first time Ireland has expelled an Israeli official. It last took such action in the mid-1980s against Russian officials suspected of spying activity on behalf of the former Soviet Union.

Israel's ambassador to Ireland, Zion Evrony, said he was summoned Tuesday to the Department of Foreign Affairs to be told of the expulsion.

"Israel regrets this decision. We believe that it does not reflect the overall positive relations which exist between Ireland and Israel," Evrony's office said in a statement.

Relations between the two nations have worsened since Israel's siege of the Gaza Strip two years ago. Irish nationalists traditionally sympathize with the Palestinian cause, and many left-wing Irish activists are campaigning for an end to Israel's naval blockade of Gaza.

Earlier this month Israeli commandos seized an Irish-run vessel trying to run aid into Gaza Port. All the Irish citizens aboard, including former U.N. humanitarian official Denis Halliday and Nobel Peace Prize laureate Mairead Corrigan Maguire, were arrested and deported.

The Dubai assassins also used fake passports from Britain, Germany, France and Australia. British officials determined that Israeli officials stole the identities of real British citizens, but Martin said all eight Irish passports involved fake identities. He said six of the forged Irish passports used real numbers assigned to real Irish people with different names, while two others were total fabrications.

Australia expelled an Israeli diplomat May 24 after concluding that Mossad was involved in forging four Australian passports.

Britain expelled an Israeli diplomat in March after reaching the same conclusion about 12 fraudulent British passports used by the alleged assassins.

The governments of France and Germany have yet to announce conclusions of their own investigations.

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/15/ireland-expels-israeli-di_n_612452.html

eg8r
06-15-2010, 12:17 PM
Good for Ireland, I guess. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/sleep.gif

eg8r

Sev
06-15-2010, 01:19 PM
I bet the Israelis will be losing sleep of that.

Deeman3
06-15-2010, 01:23 PM
yes, anything to protect Hammas.

Qtec
06-16-2010, 12:20 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deeman3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">yes, anything to protect Hammas. </div></div>

Do you know why Hamas has so much support in Gaza?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hamas was created in 1987 by Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, Abdel Aziz al-Rantissi and Mohammad Taha of the Palestinian wing of Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood, at the beginning of the First Intifada, an uprising against Israeli rule in the Palestinian Territories. <span style='font-size: 17pt'>Through its funding and management of schools, health-care clinics, mosques, youth groups, athletic clubs, and day-care centers, Hamas by the mid-1990s had attained a "well-entrenched" presence in the West Bank and Gaza.[13] <u>An estimated 80-90% of Hamas revenues fund health, social welfare, religious, cultural, and educational services</u> </span></div></div>


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Sev
06-16-2010, 07:02 AM
Yes but that would be only the money they show above board.

LWW
06-16-2010, 07:18 AM
So ... you see it as a good thing that they spend 20% of their revenue on slaughtering innocent Jews, Infidels, and Crusaders?

LWW

LWW
06-16-2010, 07:20 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes but that would be only the money they show above board. </div></div>

I wonder what the left would say if the Catholic church committed 20% of it's worldwide revenue to fight a Holy war?

LWW

Gayle in MD
06-16-2010, 07:33 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deeman3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">yes, anything to protect Hammas. </div></div>

Do you know why Hamas has so much support in Gaza?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hamas was created in 1987 by Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, Abdel Aziz al-Rantissi and Mohammad Taha of the Palestinian wing of Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood, at the beginning of the First Intifada, an uprising against Israeli rule in the Palestinian Territories. <span style='font-size: 17pt'>Through its funding and management of schools, health-care clinics, mosques, youth groups, athletic clubs, and day-care centers, Hamas by the mid-1990s had attained a "well-entrenched" presence in the West Bank and Gaza.[13] <u>An estimated 80-90% of Hamas revenues fund health, social welfare, religious, cultural, and educational services</u> </span></div></div>


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The narrow minded never calculate for two sides of every story.

Hamas has shown more willingness to go to the conference table for solutions, of late, thann Israel.

Israeli's display the same methods for getting their way, as any other radical couuntry, someties among the worst, and without principled policies. They were the invaders.

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Sev
06-16-2010, 07:56 AM
It appears Israel is going to ease the blockade.

LWW
06-16-2010, 09:06 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
The narrow minded never calculate for two sides of every story.

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That was my point.

Thanks.

LWW

LWW
06-16-2010, 09:08 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hamas has shown more willingness to go to the conference table for solutions, of late, thann Israel.

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If you accept the JOOOOOZ-UH accepting a trip to the gas chamber, then you are correct.

LWW

LWW
06-16-2010, 09:09 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Israeli's display the same methods for getting their way, as any other radical couuntry, someties among the worst, and without principled policies. They were the invaders.

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Please learn to use spell check.

As to the invaders comment ... again your historical illiteracy is showing.

LWW

llotter
06-16-2010, 09:52 AM
it is scary to think about Ireland sympathizing with hamas. The world is changing and not in a good way. When a moron is in charge of the most powerful country in the world, nothing good will happen.

LWW
06-16-2010, 10:35 AM
The Euros have largely been anti semites for centuries.

LWW

Deeman3
06-16-2010, 10:50 AM
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<span style="color: #FF0000">They are cooperative as long as the solution includes the dsstruction of Israel along with the death of the Jews! This is their open and stated position and Israel is right not to go along with their own elimination this time! </span>

llotter
06-16-2010, 11:22 AM
it's one thing to be anti-jewish and another to bed down with the muslims though i guess they are both semites. the muslims are on a terror and western civilization is the target and i really can't recall the last time jews were on such a terror.

Gayle in MD
06-19-2010, 08:05 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deeman3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
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<span style="color: #FF0000">They are cooperative as long as the solution includes the dsstruction of Israel along with the death of the Jews! This is their open and stated position and Israel is right not to go along with their own elimination this time! </span>

In modern times, the israeli's were the original aggressors in the region.

Hamas has stated they are a willing party to a two state, or even a one state solution. Israel has been starving them for years, not oly of food and supplies but ever medicine.

Neither side is without fault, and neither side has been free of inhumane behavior.

Israeli's are beginning to realize that the world is not unaware of their own inhumane behavior. hence, they are sying they will lift the blockaid, which has starved innocent palestinian woman and children, for years.

How many Palestinian prisoners are being held in Israel? I can tell you, many, many more than the Palestinians have.

Palesinains have been more willing to work with our country toward peace, than the Israeli's.

The Palestinains are desperate. This has to stop.

G.

Sev
06-21-2010, 03:00 PM
Gee I dont hear you weeping for Sudan. There is a far worse tragedy occurring over there.

I guess it only counts if its not contained within one border.

wolfdancer
06-21-2010, 03:19 PM
she was commenting on the Palastines plight....If you want to comment on Sudan, why not begin another thread on that?
Following your logic....we can't comment about the problems caused by the oil leak, without mentioning the troubles in Kazakhstan?

Gayle in MD
06-21-2010, 03:31 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They are cooperative as long as the solution includes the dsstruction of Israel along with the death of the Jews! This is their open and stated position and Israel is right not to go along with their own elimination this time! </div></div>

You are lumping all Palestinians into that? Do you really thing that's fair? Every pool indicates that the vast majority of Palestinians want peace with Israel, not the destruction of Israel. tht doesn't dtop the Israelis from starving all of them, though.

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Deeman3
06-21-2010, 04:04 PM
[quote=Gayle in MD
In modern times, the israeli's were the original aggressors in the region.

<span style="color: #FF0000">Not sure how you define modern times here. After 1947, and in the run up to the 1967 attacks on Israel, there were many independent "attacks" or confrontations by those purporting to be "for" the Palistinians. I do not think Israel did a whole lot to make Egypt cross the border and launch a war against them. I was not there but a series of attacks against the Jews resulted in aqusition of much of the area that is now Israel. In the 20 years after the founding almost all the violence perpetrated on the Jews was done by those upset over the establishment of the state, basically giving the "Indians" back their land from biblical times.

Now, more recently, they have established an almost police state in the interest of protecting their elimination. Granted they have done so vigorously at times. It may be harder for us to appreciate what dealing with those who would wipe you fom the face of the earth is like.

More recently, </span>

Hamas has stated they are a willing party to a two state, or even a one state solution. Israel has been starving them for years, not oly of food and supplies but ever medicine.

<span style="color: #FF0000">Hamas has used the Palistinian cause to take over as a government, doing much good for the "little people" but, while making shallow offers to bargain they have never renounced their declared purpose of eliminating the Jews, never.

They have lobbed missles on a daily basis, sent in suicide bombers and generally wrecked terror at the Jews. I think the Jews have been restrained in most of their counter-offensives. They simply can't do an eye-for-an-eye and must make it at least painful for the continuation of Hamas to inflict terror on their population. For them, security, admittedly tough, is survival, not a parlor discussion as it is for us. </span>

Neither side is without fault, and neither side has been free of inhumane behavior.

<span style="color: #FF0000"> Agreed, but maintaining a destroy all Jews positioin leave Israel little choice in the matter, if they wish to endure as a people. They have not been treated well in the past by trusting others.</span>

Israeli's are beginning to realize that the world is not unaware of their own inhumane behavior. hence, they are sying they will lift the blockaid, which has starved innocent palestinian woman and children, for years.

<span style="color: #FF0000">This is simply anti-semitism cloaked in concer for victims who no matter their complicity in supporting terror are never going to flourish as long as they hate the Jews so much. It seems an endless cycle but any moves by the Jews in the past to give up anything has been met with more, more, more. </span>

How many Palestinian prisoners are being held in Israel? I can tell you, many, many more than the Palestinians have.

<span style="color: #FF0000"> Yes, why would the Palestinians hold others of their own people. If you mean why are there not more Isrealis iun palistians jails? Why would there be?</span>

Palesinains have been more willing to work with our country toward peace, than the Israeli's.

<span style="color: #FF0000">It is easy for them. They risk nothing but still won't give up on the one question, how do we do this and make sure Israel is safe? </span>

The Palestinains are desperate. This has to stop.

<span style="color: #FF0000"> I think it could but the Pals. have to understand they will never get what they really want, dead Jews! A pretense to be the "reasonable side" is just not enough.</span>

G. [/quote]

Gayle in MD
06-21-2010, 04:34 PM
<span style="color: #FF0000">They invaded a country and took it over, so what did they expect???? Israel is the occupier. That's the bottom line as far as I'm concerned. Israel is just as inhumane as any other country over there. Just as radical. AND, THEY have nukes.

I predict that Israel is going to make huge problems for our country.</span>

Deeman3
06-22-2010, 10:50 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <span style="color: #FF0000">They invaded a country and took it over, so what did they expect???? Israel is the occupier. That's the bottom line as far as I'm concerned. Israel is just as inhumane as any other country over there. Just as radical. AND, THEY have nukes. <span style="color: #FF0000"> And they will use them before allowing their country to be overrun, their people slaughtered (AGAIN) and for the brutal Muslims to mve back in and abuse their own men, women and children.</span>

<span style="color: #FF0000">They invaded a country that was lobbing missles across at them several times a day! What were they to do? Send them a BFF Hallmark card? If simply lobbing a few missles back at them would have worked, they would have done so but then been accused of killing even more "innocent" civilians. See, the bad guys do not wear uniforms in this terror war. </span>

I predict that Israel is going to make huge problems for our country.</span> </div></div>

<span style="color: #FF0000"> I bet the redical Muslims create an even bigger problem. If someone does not stop attacking Israel, they will do something about it. Then every liberal will come out and say how the big, bad Israelis attacked the peaceful and serene Palistianians as they were spreading love and joy in the region. Bet on it!</span>

Gayle in MD
06-22-2010, 11:05 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deeman3</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <span style="color: #FF0000">They invaded a country and took it over, so what did they expect???? Israel is the occupier. That's the bottom line as far as I'm concerned. Israel is just as inhumane as any other country over there. Just as radical. AND, THEY have nukes. <span style="color: #FF0000"> And they will use them before allowing their country to be overrun, their people slaughtered (AGAIN) and for the brutal Muslims to mve back in and abuse their own men, women and children.</span>

<span style="color: #FF0000">They invaded a country that was lobbing missles across at them several times a day! What were they to do? Send them a BFF Hallmark card? If simply lobbing a few missles back at them would have worked, they would have done so but then been accused of killing even more "innocent" civilians. See, the bad guys do not wear uniforms in this terror war. </span>

I predict that Israel is going to make huge problems for our country.</span> </div></div>

<span style="color: #FF0000"> I bet the redical Muslims create an even bigger problem. If someone does not stop attacking Israel, they will do something about it. Then every liberal will come out and say how the big, bad Israelis attacked the peaceful and serene Palistianians as they were spreading love and joy in the region. Bet on it!</span> </div></div>


Israeli's were the occupiers. What did they expect?

eg8r
06-22-2010, 11:16 AM
Who cares what they expect. The palestinians are blowing up innocent people on purpose. Israel is retalitating and you never have anything bad to say about the palestinian murderers. You only want to bully the people who are defending their land.

eg8r

Deeman3
06-22-2010, 01:35 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deeman3</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <span style="color: #FF0000">They invaded a country and took it over, so what did they expect???? Israel is the occupier. That's the bottom line as far as I'm concerned. Israel is just as inhumane as any other country over there. Just as radical. AND, THEY have nukes. <span style="color: #FF0000"> And they will use them before allowing their country to be overrun, their people slaughtered (AGAIN) and for the brutal Muslims to mve back in and abuse their own men, women and children.</span>

<span style="color: #FF0000">They invaded a country that was lobbing missles across at them several times a day! What were they to do? Send them a BFF Hallmark card? If simply lobbing a few missles back at them would have worked, they would have done so but then been accused of killing even more "innocent" civilians. See, the bad guys do not wear uniforms in this terror war. </span>

I predict that Israel is going to make huge problems for our country.</span> </div></div>

<span style="color: #FF0000"> I bet the redical Muslims create an even bigger problem. If someone does not stop attacking Israel, they will do something about it. Then every liberal will come out and say how the big, bad Israelis attacked the peaceful and serene Palistianians as they were spreading love and joy in the region. Bet on it!</span> </div></div>


Israeli's were the occupiers. What did they expect?


</div></div> <span style="color: #FF0000">And now you are occupying American Indian land so get out! Yes, that makes sense. While we are at it, should the Jews, like we were told a couple of weeks ago, just go back to Germany. Of course, many who hate the Jews would love that. One more crack at exterminating them. In 1947 there were a bunch of goats, a few camels and a smattering of Palestinians in the area. There main export was sand! Until they had the economy provided by the Jews, they could have all fit into a few hundred tents in Gaza.

If we can pick our points in history where we place a paole in an area nd claim it is their's by right, there is gonna be a whole lot of moving going on. There are now folks on the far left suggesting that Mexico once owned Texas and California so we should seed them that land! Maybe California but come on, Texas?

What if the Jews gave the Palistinians their own casino? Would that help? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif </span>

Gayle in MD
06-23-2010, 06:31 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deeman3</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deeman3</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <span style="color: #FF0000">They invaded a country and took it over, so what did they expect???? Israel is the occupier. That's the bottom line as far as I'm concerned. Israel is just as inhumane as any other country over there. Just as radical. AND, THEY have nukes. <span style="color: #FF0000"> And they will use them before allowing their country to be overrun, their people slaughtered (AGAIN) and for the brutal Muslims to mve back in and abuse their own men, women and children.</span>

<span style="color: #FF0000">They invaded a country that was lobbing missles across at them several times a day! What were they to do? Send them a BFF Hallmark card? If simply lobbing a few missles back at them would have worked, they would have done so but then been accused of killing even more "innocent" civilians. See, the bad guys do not wear uniforms in this terror war. </span>

I predict that Israel is going to make huge problems for our country.</span> </div></div>

<span style="color: #FF0000"> I bet the redical Muslims create an even bigger problem. If someone does not stop attacking Israel, they will do something about it. Then every liberal will come out and say how the big, bad Israelis attacked the peaceful and serene Palistianians as they were spreading love and joy in the region. Bet on it!</span> </div></div>


Israeli's were the occupiers. What did they expect?


</div></div> <span style="color: #FF0000">And now you are occupying American Indian land so get out! Yes, that makes sense. While we are at it, should the Jews, like we were told a couple of weeks ago, just go back to Germany. Of course, many who hate the Jews would love that. One more crack at exterminating them. In 1947 there were a bunch of goats, a few camels and a smattering of Palestinians in the area. There main export was sand! Until they had the economy provided by the Jews, they could have all fit into a few hundred tents in Gaza.

If we can pick our points in history where we place a paole in an area nd claim it is their's by right, there is gonna be a whole lot of moving going on. There are now folks on the far left suggesting that Mexico once owned Texas and California so we should seed them that land! Maybe California but come on, Texas?

What if the Jews gave the Palistinians their own casino? Would that help? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif </span> </div></div>

Our presidents have been asking Israel to stop taking land from the Palestinians and stop building on the Gaza strip. They refuse, over and over again. IMO, if they are going to refuse our requests, we should stop sending them money. Is that so hard for you to grasp????

The Palestinians have to live somewhere.

As I said, there are two sides, you only seem to see one. You point to Palestinian aggression, but any people would become aggressive, when others are constantly taking more and more living space from them, and blocking food, water and medicine.

The difference between our views, is that Israel can do no wrong, IYO. IMO, Israel has been wrong in certain circumstances, as well as Palestinians. Israel also has a radical RW, which former Secretaries of state have said is just as cut-throat as Hamas. Why do you think they say that?

Where does it end?

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, just because the Jews were horribly treated by Hitler, which we can all agree, was totally wrong, annd should have been stopped, far sooner, much as we may grieve for what was done to them, that was decades ago, and does not give them the right to do to others some of the things they have done. Our policy should be non support for any and all acts of inhumane behavior, not one of Israel can do no wrong, and Palestinians have to be pushed off the edge of the Gaza stip, and just lay down and let Israel take the entire region!

There is such a thing as being fair minded. I do not subscribe to the ideology that Israel is always right, regardless of how many people they stave to death, or kill. They are not innocent by-standers to inhumanity, they take part in it themselves. AND they are incredibly stubborn when it comes to backing off of some of their own inhumanities, and cooperating in working for peace.

Both Bush and Obama, and other former presidents, have asked, and/or stated, that the Israeli's should stop taking over the strip, tearing down Palestinian homes and apartments, and building their own structures. They refuse to cooperate. Their actions indicate that they think the Palestinains have no right to exist, as well as anything that could be said about the Palestinians.

Neither party, is without sin. Which is the most aggressive aggressor? The one which refuses to stop taking more, and more, and more!

G.

Deeman3
06-23-2010, 07:46 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD [/quote</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Our presidents have been asking Israel to stop taking land from the Palestinians and stop building on the Gaza strip. They refuse, over and over again. IMO, if they are going to refuse our requests, we should stop sending them money. Is that so hard for you to grasp????

<span style="color: #FF0000">No, and I agree somewhat. If they don't do waht we say, cut off funding. I'd support Obama doing that. </span>

The Palestinians have to live somewhere.

<span style="color: #FF0000">If they chose to live in peace beside the Jews, they could. </span>

As I said, there are two sides, you only seem to see one. You point to Palestinian aggression, but any people would become aggressive, when others are constantly taking more and more living space from them, and blocking food, water and medicine.

<span style="color: #FF0000">There are two sides. I know that. I just think the Jews are on higher moral ground here by just a bit but all of them act like children. </span>

The difference between our views, is that Israel can do no wrong, IYO. IMO, Israel has been wrong in certain circumstances, as well as Palestinians. Israel also has a radical RW, which former Secretaries of state have said is just as cut-throat as Hamas. Why do you think they say that?

<span style="color: #FF0000"> You are not correct in assuming I think Israel can do no wrong. They have and are sometimes their own worst enemy.</span>

Where does it end?

<span style="color: #FF0000"> Unfortuantely, both sides have political benefits to the positons they both hold so firmly. If the Pals. would just come off the kill all the Jews thing, I would be more sympathetic.</span>

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, just because the Jews were horribly treated by Hitler, which we can all agree, was totally wrong, annd should have been stopped, far sooner, much as we may grieve for what was done to them, that was decades ago, and does not give them the right to do to others some of the things they have done. Our policy should be non support for any and all acts of inhumane behavior, not one of Israel can do no wrong, and Palestinians have to be pushed off the edge of the Gaza stip, and just lay down and let Israel take the entire region!

<span style="color: #FF0000"> Israel took land when they were attacked, they did not just wander over into Jordan and Egypt and take ther land.</span>

There is such a thing as being fair minded. I do not subscribe to the ideology that Israel is always right, regardless of how many people they stave to death, or kill. They are not innocent by-standers to inhumanity, they take part in it themselves. AND they are incredibly stubborn when it comes to backing off of some of their own inhumanities, and cooperating in working for peace.

<span style="color: #FF0000">I do not either. You might be more stubborn if your opponent wanted you eliminated forever.

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Both Bush and Obama, and other former presidents, have asked, and/or stated, that the Israeli's should stop taking over the strip, tearing down Palestinian homes and apartments, and building their own structures. They refuse to cooperate. Their actions indicate that they think the Palestinains have no right to exist, as well as anything that could be said about the Palestinians.

<span style="color: #FF0000">Good the see your high regard for Bush! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif </span>

Neither party, is without sin. Which is the most aggressive aggressor? The one which refuses to stop taking more, and more, and more!

<span style="color: #FF0000"> Again, hard to reason and do deals with those who want to kill all you people. The taking of more is probably not right but they can claim security as the reason. Is that right. I am not so sure. </span>

G.

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Deeman3
06-23-2010, 09:22 AM
Some on here may questio if I have a fair and balanced view of the situation. I am deeply insulted to have my motives questioned.

Anyone who doubts my sincere attitude toward both sides should visit my wed site

Killallthemuslims.com

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Gayle in MD
06-23-2010, 09:24 AM
LOL.../forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif