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LWW
06-28-2010, 04:03 AM
Robert Cornelius Calvin Sales Byrd Junior ... longest serving US senator, klan kleagle and exalted cyclops ... from West Virginia has passed away.

LWW

Sev
06-28-2010, 04:48 AM
One down. 99 to go.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/28/robert-byrd-dead-west-vir_n_627392.html



Robert Byrd DEAD: West Virginia Democrat Was Longest Serving Senator In History

ANDREW TAYLOR | 06/28/10 06:19 AM | AP

WASHINGTON Sen. Robert Byrd of West Virginia, a fiery orator versed in the classics and a hard-charging power broker who steered billions of federal dollars to the state of his Depression-era upbringing, died Monday. He was 92.

A spokesman for the family, Jesse Jacobs, said Byrd died peacefully at about 3 a.m. at Inova Hospital in Fairfax, Va. He had been in the hospital since late last week.

At first Byrd was believed to be suffering from heat exhaustion and severe dehydration, but other medical conditions developed. He had been in frail health for several years.

Byrd, a Democrat, was the longest-serving senator in history, holding his seat for more than 50 years. He was the Senate's majority leader for six of those years and was third in the line of succession to the presidency, behind House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

Sen. Jay Rockefeller, a fellow West Virginian in the Senate, said it was his "greatest privilege" to serve with Byrd.

"I looked up to him, I fought next to him, and I am deeply saddened that he is gone," Rockefeller said.

The Senate Republican leader, Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, said Byrd "combined a devotion to the U.S. Constitution with a deep learning of history to defend the interests of his state and the traditions of the Senate."

"We will remember him for his fighter's spirit, his abiding faith, and for the many times he recalled the Senate to its purposes," McConnell said.

In comportment and style, Byrd often seemed a Senate throwback to a courtlier 19th century. He could recite poetry, quote the Bible, discuss the Constitutional Convention and detail the Peloponnesian Wars and frequently did in Senate debates.
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Yet there was nothing particularly courtly about Byrd's pursuit or exercise of power.

Byrd was a master of the Senate's bewildering rules and longtime chairman of the Senate Appropriations Committee, which controls a third of the $3 trillion federal budget. He was willing to use both to reward friends and punish those he viewed as having slighted him.

"Bob is a living encyclopedia, and legislative graveyards are filled with the bones of those who underestimated him," former House Speaker Jim Wright, D-Texas, once said in remarks Byrd later displayed in his office.

In 1971, Byrd ousted Sen. Edward Kennedy of Massachusetts as the Democrats' second in command. He was elected majority leader in 1976 and held the post until Democrats lost control of the Senate four years later. He remained his party's leader through six years in the minority, then spent another two years as majority leader.

"I have tangled with him. He usually wins," former Sen. Dennis DeConcini, D-Ariz., once recalled.

DeConcini supported Byrd's bid for majority leader. "He reciprocated by helping me get on the Appropriations Committee," DeConcini said. Years later, DeConcini said, he displeased Byrd on another issue. "I didn't get on the Intelligence Committee when I thought I was up to get on it."

Byrd stepped aside as majority leader in 1989 when Democrats sought a more contemporary television spokesman. "I ran the Senate like a stern parent," Byrd wrote in his memoir, "Child of the Appalachian Coalfields." His consolation price was the chairmanship of the Appropriations Committee, with control over almost limitless federal spending.

Within two years, he surpassed his announced five-year goal of making sure more than $1 billion in federal funds was sent back to West Virginia, money used to build highways, bridges, buildings and other facilities, some named after him.

In 2006 and with 64 percent of the vote, Byrd won an unprecedented ninth term in the Senate just months after surpassing South Carolinian Strom Thurmond's record as its longest-serving member. His more than 18,500 roll call votes were another record.

But Byrd also seemed to slow after the death of Erma, his wife of almost 69 years, in 2006. Frail and at times wistful, he used two canes to walk haltingly and needed help from aides to make his way about the Senate. He often hesitated at unscripted moments. By 2009, aides were bringing him to and from the Senate floor in a wheelchair.

Though his hands trembled in later years, Byrd only recently lost his grip on power. Last November he surrendered his chairmanship of the Appropriations Committee.

Byrd's lodestar was protecting the Constitution. He frequently pulled out a dog-eared copy of it from a pocket in one of his trademark three-piece suits. He also defended the Senate in its age-old rivalry with the executive branch, no matter which party held the White House.

Unlike other prominent Senate Democrats such as 2004 presidential nominee John Kerry of Massachusetts, who voted to authorize the war in Iraq, Byrd stood firm in opposition and felt gratified when public opinion swung behind him.

"The people are becoming more and more aware that we were hoodwinked, that the leaders of this country misrepresented or exaggerated the necessity for invading Iraq," Byrd said.

He cited Iraq when he endorsed then-Sen. Barack Obama for the Democratic presidential nomination in May 2008, calling Obama "a shining young statesman, who possesses the personal temperament and courage necessary to extricate our country from this costly misadventure."

Byrd's accomplishments followed a childhood of poverty in West Virginia, and his success on the national stage came despite a complicated history on racial matters. As a young man, we was a member of the Ku Klux Klan for a brief period, and he joined Southern Democrats in an unsuccessful filibuster against the landmark 1964 Civil Rights Act.

He later apologized for both actions, saying intolerance has no place in America. While supporting later civil rights bills, he opposed busing to integrate schools.

Byrd briefly sought the Democratic presidential nomination in 1976 and later told associates he had once been approached by President Richard M. Nixon, a Republican, about accepting an appointment to the Supreme Court.

But he was a creature and defender of Congress across a career that began in 1952 with his election to the House. He served three terms there before winning his Senate seat in 1958, when Dwight D. Eisenhower was in the White House.

He clashed with presidents in both parties and was implacably against proposed balanced budget amendments to the Constitution.

"He is a fierce defender of the Senate and its prerogatives in ways that I think the founding fathers really intended the Senate to be," said one-time rival Kennedy.

In a measure of his tenacity, Byrd took a decade of night courses to earn a law degree in 1963, and completed his long-delayed bachelor's degree at West Virginia's Marshall University in 1994 with correspondence classes.

Byrd was a near-deity in economically struggling West Virginia, to which he delivered countless federally financed projects. Entire government bureaus opened there, including the FBI's repository for computerized fingerprint records. Even the Coast Guard had a facility in the landlocked state. Critics portrayed him as the personification of Congress' thirst for wasteful "pork" spending projects.

Robert Carlyle Byrd was born Nov. 20, 1917, in North Wilkesboro, N.C., as Cornelius Calvin Sale Jr., the youngest of five children.

Before he was 1, his mother died and his father sent him to live with an aunt and uncle, Vlurma and Titus Byrd, who renamed him and moved to the coal-mining town of Stotesbury, W.Va. He didn't learn his original name until he was 16 and his real birthday until he was 54.

Byrd's foster father was a miner who frequently changed jobs, and Byrd recalled that the family's house was "without electricity, ... no running water, no telephone, a little wooden outhouse."

He graduated from high school but could not afford college. Married in 1936 to high school sweetheart Erma Ora James with whom he had two daughters he pumped gas, cut meat and during World War II was a shipyard welder.

Returning to meat cutting in West Virginia, he became popular for his fundamentalist Bible lectures. A grand dragon of the Ku Klux Klan suggested he run for office.

He won his first race for the state's House of Delegates in 1946, distinguishing himself from 12 rivals by singing and fiddling mountain tunes. His fiddle became a fixture; he later played it on the television show "Hee Haw" and recorded an album. He abandoned it only after a grandson's traumatic death in 1982 and when his shaky hands left him unable to play.

At his 90th birthday party in 2007, however, Byrd joined bluegrass band Lonesome Highway in singing a few tunes and topped off the night with a rendition of "Old Joe Clark."

After six years in the West Virginia legislature, Byrd was elected to the U.S. House in 1952 in a race in which his brief Klan membership became an issue. He said he joined because of its anti-communism.

Byrd entered Congress as one of its most conservative Democrats. He was an early supporter of the Vietnam War, and his 14-hour, 13-minute filibuster against the 1964 civil rights bill remains one of the longest ever. His views gradually moderated, particularly on economic issues, but he always sided with his state's coal interests in confrontations with environmentalists.

His love of Senate traditions inspired him to write a four-volume history of the chamber. It also led him to oppose laptops on the Senate floor and to object when a blind aide tried bringing her seeing-eye dog into the chamber.

In 2004, Byrd got Congress to require schools and colleges to teach about the Constitution every Sept. 17, the day the document was adopted in 1787.

LWW
06-28-2010, 05:03 AM
My hope is that he found forgiveness before the end came.

LWW

hondo
06-28-2010, 05:37 AM
My hope is that Our Saviour is nothing like you who
never stops with the hate, never forgives.
My guess is that even though he is dead, you'll continue
to drag his name in the mud, simply to direct hate at me.

What a vile excuse for a human being you are!
If you've got one Christian bone in your body, you keep it well hid.

hondo
06-28-2010, 05:42 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My hope is that he found forgiveness before the end came.

LWW </div></div>

That is a lie. You hope nothing of the kind.
Simply another opportunity to slam me and the people of
West Virginia after losing our finest statesman.

Your non-stop attacks on Byrd never started til you got into it with me. Before that you never thought one way or the other about him.
Lies and hate. Well, at least Sev and Steve like you.

wolfdancer
06-28-2010, 10:43 AM
For someone that is constantly accusing others of posting hate messages...I don't see much Christianity in Larry's diatribes

hondo
06-28-2010, 12:47 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For someone that is constantly accusing others of posting hate messages...I don't see much Christianity in Larry's diatribes </div></div>

MUCH? Try ZERO.
I try not to judge but JEEZE LOUISE!

pooltchr
06-28-2010, 01:12 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
That is a lie. You hope nothing of the kind.
</div></div>

When did you become so close to Larry that you know his innermost thoughts and feelings.

His comment was simply that he hoped that Byrd found forgiveness before he passed away. Isn't that the hope of all Christians for all people?

I know that, for me, whenever I hear of someone passing, one of my first thoughts is "I hope they were saved"

Steve

hondo
06-28-2010, 01:28 PM
One last post on this subject.
Byrd has apologized for the last 50 years.
Larry likes to stir the hate.
How do I know this? About 900 posts bashing Byrd but directed at me.
If you want to believe Larry is a devout Christian who "prays"
for Byrd's forgiveness that's your perogative but I know it's all bullshit.

pooltchr
06-28-2010, 01:42 PM
I don't pretend to know what anyone believes, so all I can do is accept what they say. If he says he hopes Byrd found forgiveness, I have not reason to question that. If you said the same thing about someone, I would have no reason not to believe you either.

You could have accepted the comment at face value, but instead, it seems you wanted to find some deep dark meaning in his words.

Whether you agree with him or not, you have to admit that Larry has no problem expressing his true feelings about any subject. Why would he suddenly change on this topic?

Steve

Deeman3
06-28-2010, 02:44 PM
Who really knows what is in another man's heart? I don't ask God to forgive anyone other than myself.

I wish Mr. Byrd's family my condolences and wish the last thing I was ashamed of doing was 50 years ago. When these politicians die, it is what they do in their entire life that counts. I did not always agree with Byrd but he was a heck of an orator and the people of West Virginia apparently liked hm for many, many years.

May he Rest in Peace.

hondo
06-28-2010, 05:11 PM
Because he's a liar. Next question?

hondo
06-28-2010, 05:22 PM
I never really liked Byrd until he stood up to the excesses
of the Patriot Act and refused to bend to pressure to back off.
From then on, he was my hero.

43 years ago, I was a bigot and told N jokes even though
many of my best friends were black and I had a thing for black women.
Taking LSD and having a child with a black woman knocked me out of my stupor (stupidity).
Racism was commonplace when I was a kid and much more common
when Byrd was growing up.

I realized I was wrong and Byrd did too.

The true haters are folks like Larry who use Byrd's mistakes of 50 years ago as a prop to get under my skin.
And he's done this for the past 4 or 5 years.

LWW could care less about Byrd's salvation. His piety is all a sham.

LWW
06-28-2010, 09:13 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't pretend to know what anyone believes, so all I can do is accept what they say. If he says he hopes Byrd found forgiveness, I have not reason to question that. If you said the same thing about someone, I would have no reason not to believe you either.

You could have accepted the comment at face value, but instead, it seems you wanted to find some deep dark meaning in his words.

Whether you agree with him or not, you have to admit that Larry has no problem expressing his true feelings about any subject. Why would he suddenly change on this topic?

Steve </div></div>

Thank you.

The shark has been jumped today at a level I thought was below even the worst that some of our members could display.

While not worth responding to directly, the true nature of people always comes out as hondo's has today.

He simply cannot exist without being a victim and took this opportunity to use the death of another human being to make himself and his cause martyrs yet again.

I cannot say, as some have tried, what was in Byrd's heart and/or whether he had changed and found forgiveness. That is between he and the Creator and is not my job to stand in judgement.

Mr Byrd's sins are many, and while I can forgive him I cannot forget what he did nor could I ever support him for such high office.

We have others among us however who arrogantly believe they can stand as judge of another man ... who believe they can overlook the sins of another so long as they serve the same agenda ... who believe they can assault people of character with impunity ... who project their shortcomings upon others ... who believe that since they are incapable of forgiveness then others must be as well.

I also hope that such people find forgiveness before they draw their last breath.

LWW

Stretch
06-29-2010, 01:40 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I never really liked Byrd until he stood up to the excesses
of the Patriot Act and refused to bend to pressure to back off.
From then on, he was my hero.

43 years ago, I was a bigot and told N jokes even though
many of my best friends were black and I had a thing for black women.
Taking LSD and having a child with a black woman knocked me out of my stupor (stupidity).
Racism was commonplace when I was a kid and much more common
when Byrd was growing up.

I realized I was wrong and Byrd did too.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> </div></div>The true haters are folks like Larry who use Byrd's mistakes of 50 years ago as a prop to get under my skin.
And he's done this for the past 4 or 5 years.

LWW could care less about Byrd's salvation. His piety is all a sham. </div></div> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> </div></div>

I was hopeing you wouldn't take the bait Hondo, as tempting as it was i've seen enough of LWW to know exactly what he was doing..... Oh well. St.

hondo
06-29-2010, 06:50 AM
"Mr Byrd's sins are many, and while I can forgive him..."

When have you ever forgiven him? You set the bar for lies and deceit on here.
It must make you very proud that Steve and, at times, Sev, swallow your bile.
But what does it tell you that every other poster on here sees right through you?

It must take some real mental gymnastics on your part to
imagine yourself as anything but the laughing stock of this forum.

hondo
06-29-2010, 06:53 AM
Very true. He and Sev posted the exact same posts on AZ and guess who they're all talking about on that thread?
Little ole me. I'm touched.
I must have really gotten to the klan over there. LOL!

wolfdancer
06-29-2010, 12:29 PM
"Mr Byrd's sins are many, and while I can forgive him..."

Matt 7:2-5

LWW
06-29-2010, 01:29 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"Mr Byrd's sins are many, and while I can forgive him..."

When have you ever forgiven him? </div></div>

In the sentence which you quoted.

Still completely befuddled by the concept of words having defined meaning(s) I see.

LWW

hondo
06-30-2010, 05:11 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"Mr Byrd's sins are many, and while I can forgive him..."

When have you ever forgiven him? </div></div>

In the sentence which you quoted.

Still completely befuddled by the concept of words having defined meaning(s) I see.

LWW </div></div>

Anyone can lie. We'll see from your future posts if you have forgiven him and if you will continue to use him as a tool to get
under my skin.

LWW
06-30-2010, 05:29 AM
I have never used Byrd as a tool to get under your skin, although I have used him as an example of leftist racism and hypocrisy.

Also, forgiving him doesn't change what he was ... a commissioned recruiter for the nation's largest and oldest homegrown terrorist organization.

For you I would suggest some deep contemplation as to why the pointing out of these simple truths riles you up so much. If you are as non-racist as you tell us then I would think that you would have joined me in condemning Byrd and agreed that a man with such a history should never be trusted with such high office.

Instead you start foaming at the mouth whenever the kleagle's exploits are mentioned. I honestly don't see you as one who wears the pointy hats and spiffy robes to cross burnings ... but your rabid defense of those who do has always been a trait of yours that I find disturbing.

LWW

hondo
06-30-2010, 08:03 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have never used Byrd as a tool to get under your skin,

LWW </div></div>

LMFAO! Good thing your name's not Pinocchio. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smirk.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/eek.gif

hondo
06-30-2010, 08:07 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">



I honestly don't see you as one who wears the pointy hats and spiffy robes to cross burnings ...

LWW </div></div>

Good for you. What about some of your closest associates on AZ, Yugo, Slide Rule, Lamas , etc.? How do you see them?

hondo
06-30-2010, 08:15 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> If you are as non-racist as you tell us then I would think that you would have joined me in condemning Byrd and agreed that a man with such a history should never be trusted with such high office.



LWW </div></div>

I'm sorry, Larry. I find it incongruous as a Christian to continue to tear down a man who has apologized for the last 50 years for his actions as a young lad.
Perhaps if you could pull yourself away from the computer to go to church on Sunday, you might have some inkling as to what I'm talking about.

hondo
06-30-2010, 08:22 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I honestly don't see you as one who wears the pointy hats and spiffy robes to cross burnings ... but your rabid defense of those who do has always been a trait of yours that I find disturbing.

LWW </div></div>

To be honest, Larry, many of your posts over the years have
had strong racist over-tones to them, but you cover them up by claiming to be part black.
So, even though I find your claims to be highly suspicious,
just as I do your claims of being a Christian, I have
always tried to give you the benefit of the doubt.

So, it appears that the bottom line is that neither one of us
believe the other is an honest man. Imagine that! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

hondo
06-30-2010, 08:36 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> although I have used him as an example of leftist racism and hypocrisy.



LWW </div></div>

Ironic. One of the reasons I never cared for Byrd was that
he was the most conservative Democrat in Congress.
His image altered slightly when he was put in the position of helping his impoverished state which had been always trampled on and he took it.
In all other areas he remained very conservative.

His image with wingnuts really took a downturn when he stood up for the Constitution, which wingnuts despise, against the excesses of the Patriot Act and refused to back down under pressure from the Rovians.

At this point his life-long voting record meant nothing and he became a target for the Rovians.

He was not in your radar at all until I mentioned how proud we were that a West Virginian of his stature stood up to Bush.
From then on , anytime I kicked your behind in a discussion,
you'd dig up Byrd and the racism charges.

Twist this all you want, but you know deep in your heart that everything I'm saying is true.

LWW
07-01-2010, 04:47 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> although I have used him as an example of leftist racism and hypocrisy.



LWW </div></div>

Ironic. One of the reasons I never cared for Byrd was that ...</div></div>

1 - Your post lost all it's cred right there.

2 - You obviously don't even know what the term "LEFTIST" means.

LWW