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Qtec
06-30-2010, 01:22 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">CHART OF THE DAY: Reminder, <span style='font-size: 17pt'>The Deficit You're Freaking Out About Is Bush's Fault</span>

June 28, 2010, 3:19PM

President Obama's administration has been blamed for reckless spending that has put America into its debt hole. But in reality, much of that spending emanates from policies of President Bush, according to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities.

They argue that Iraq, Afghanistan, and the Bush tax cuts (along with the economic downturn) are what is driving the U.S. deficit, not stimulus spending.

The chart presents the ugly truth </div></div>

http://static.businessinsider.com/image/4c28e8027f8b9ad402570000/chart-of-the-day-bush-policies-deficits-june-2010.gif

You see the brown part that keeps getting bigger and bigger???.... , that's the Bush tax cuts for the rich that GW didn't pay for. Yes its true, he sold your children's future so he could give trillions to the very richest.


Bend over Main Street guy...........




Q........... link to truth (http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/06/chart-of-the-day-reminder-the-deficit-youre-freaking-out-about-is-bushs-fault.php)

Stretch
06-30-2010, 02:45 AM
Good one Q! I can hardly wait for the Republican noise machine to drown out truth on that one. lol St.

LWW
06-30-2010, 03:09 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">CHART OF THE DAY: Reminder, <span style='font-size: 17pt'>The Deficit You're Freaking Out About Is Bush's Fault</span>

June 28, 2010, 3:19PM

President Obama's administration has been blamed for reckless spending that has put America into its debt hole. But in reality, much of that spending emanates from policies of President Bush, according to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities.

They argue that Iraq, Afghanistan, and the Bush tax cuts (along with the economic downturn) are what is driving the U.S. deficit, not stimulus spending.

The chart presents the ugly truth </div></div>

http://static.businessinsider.com/image/4c28e8027f8b9ad402570000/chart-of-the-day-bush-policies-deficits-june-2010.gif

You see the brown part that keeps getting bigger and bigger???.... , that's the Bush tax cuts for the rich that GW didn't pay for. Yes its true, he sold your children's future so he could give trillions to the very richest.


Bend over Main Street guy...........




Q........... link to truth (http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/06/chart-of-the-day-reminder-the-deficit-youre-freaking-out-about-is-bushs-fault.php) </div></div>

How ridiculous is that!

TARP was a Bush plan ... but one pushed through by the demokooks and opposed by a wide margin by the republichickens in a rare show of courage. It was also Obama who took credit for crafting the senate version when it was politically expedient to be for it.

FANNIE/FREDDIE were the creations of FDR and LBJ and Obama/Dodd/Clinton/Waters/Frank et al ran legal interference for them while Bush?McCain were trying to get FANNIE/FREDDIE reforms passed.

The economic downturn is a direct result of leftist economic policies enacted following the 2006 elections ... the tax cuts flooded the treasury but congress spent even more ... and your "CHART" is based on nothing but twistings of reality.

LWW

Gayle in MD
06-30-2010, 07:02 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">CHART OF THE DAY: Reminder, <span style='font-size: 17pt'>The Deficit You're Freaking Out About Is Bush's Fault</span>

June 28, 2010, 3:19PM

President Obama's administration has been blamed for reckless spending that has put America into its debt hole. But in reality, much of that spending emanates from policies of President Bush, according to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities.

They argue that Iraq, Afghanistan, and the Bush tax cuts (along with the economic downturn) are what is driving the U.S. deficit, not stimulus spending.

The chart presents the ugly truth </div></div>

http://static.businessinsider.com/image/4c28e8027f8b9ad402570000/chart-of-the-day-bush-policies-deficits-june-2010.gif

You see the brown part that keeps getting bigger and bigger???.... , that's the Bush tax cuts for the rich that GW didn't pay for. Yes its true, he sold your children's future so he could give trillions to the very richest.


Bend over Main Street guy...........




Q........... link to truth (http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/06/chart-of-the-day-reminder-the-deficit-youre-freaking-out-about-is-bushs-fault.php) </div></div>

Excellent chart, Q, and IIRC, the Republican blank check congress, broke all previous earmark records, while they were on their spending spree.

Bush burried us in debt, cut taxes, launched wars, added trillions with his prescription program, and did't pay for a damned thing, nothing! And for what??? We got nothing of value as a country, just his unconstitutional obsturction of Justice, and abuse of power.

Even now, we can see Republicans defending deep water drilling off our shores, in the midst of our worst ecological disaster, ever, and all thanks to the Bush/Cheney corruption of all oversight agencies.

BTW, Roberts, Alito and Scalia should be tarred and feathered and run out of town. They are the most corrupt, activist judges in our history, and have turned the country into a corrupt corporate free for all.

This is what happens when one national party is taken over by a slew of irrational pundits, and flyover bubba idiots, the insane run ths show. Denial is all they have, that and their guns and threats. Sick bunch of people!

G.

Deeman3
06-30-2010, 07:44 AM
No. While Bush and the Republicans did their part on running up the costs, Obama has only increased and multiplied them. We have heard of not a single cut in spending that Obama promised in "pay as you go" and, so far, all the hundereds of billions he has spent have only generated a few thousand government jobs at horrible costs per job.

Even if we bought the early on spiel that we were saved from an ecconomic collapse by the bailouts, there has been no reining in of spending only forcing an excessive health care program that promised savings but we now see is only going to add costs. Even the people who backed the early plans, once it got to be a 2,000 page money grab instead of a reasonable coverage plan for uniinsured, have backed off supporting this spending. NOw, they are putting forwward a $125 million advertising campaign to convince the American people that, in the end, all the money wasted will be a good thing.

Obama and Biden are telling us that the economy is doing well all while the stock market is telling us differently, the jobs market is telling us differently and we are susposed to believe them, again? They are rapidly finishing off business in this country and replaceing it with government all while the fed, state and local balance books are headed in the same spiral downward. Now, he is trying to convine the Europeans to spend more when they, of all people, just travelled down the raod he is pointing out and know, better than anyone, how badly it turns out.

Now he is wet in oil and as covered in goo and all those pelicans here in the Gulf. Is it just cooincidence that one guy was the biggest recipient of BP money in the last election? and who would that be? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif How do you square that and all the polls showing him dropping in popularity every day?

Face it, he is a nice guy and most people, despite what the left would have you believe about the "flyover" people, most of us like him as a person. He, like you and many others predicted before Hillary was booted, is just not prepared for the 3:00a.m. call. He is bright, articulate and clean (Biden's words, not mine) but is not prepared to be POTUS and it shows for all now.

Gayle in MD
06-30-2010, 08:07 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deeman3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No. While Bush and the Republicans did their part on running up the costs, Obama has only increased and multiplied them. We have heard of not a single cut in spending that Obama promised in "pay as you go" and, so far, all the hundereds of billions he has spent have only generated a few thousand government jobs at horrible costs per job.

<span style="color: #FF0000">Not true, he has saved hundreds of thousands of jobs, and diverted the worst Depression in history, predicted by Bush to last as long as a decade.</span>

Even if we bought the early on spiel that we were saved from an ecconomic collapse by the bailouts, there has been no reining in of spending only forcing an excessive health care program that promised savings but we now see is only going to add costs.


<span style="color: #FF0000">[color:#FF0000]Oh yeah, lets just forget that 62% of the mortgage defaults were a resuolt of exhorbitant health and health insurance costs. resident Obama accomplished what every presidet since FDR has tried to accmplish, a National Health Care Bill was passed. A financial reform Bill has passed. Our spending costs have more to do with Bush's legacy, than anything else. Most economicsts say we need to spend more, not less. We are seeing the disastrous resuolts of Republican Economic policies, tax breaks for the wealthiest, redistribution of wealth away from the Midddle Class, upwards. How do Republicans justify maintaining the inheritance[/color giveaway to the wealthy, and implementing a six trillion dollar prescription drug program, and breaking earmark records, while criticizing a president who inherited the disaser of Republican economic policies?</span>
Even the people who backed the early plans, once it got to be a 2,000 page money grab instead of a reasonable coverage plan for uniinsured, have backed off supporting this spending.

<span style="color: #FF0000">Approval of the HCBill is growing, not decending. </span>



NOw, they are putting forwward a $125 million advertising campaign to convince the American people that, in the end, all the money wasted will be a good thing.

<span style="color: #FF0000">LOL, where was your outrage while Bush and the Republicans spent and borrowed us into a near depression? </span>

Obama and Biden are telling us that the economy is doing well all while the stock market is telling us differently, the jobs market is telling us differently and we are susposed to believe them, again? They are rapidly finishing off business in this country and replaceing it with government all while the fed, state and local balance books are headed in the same spiral downward.

<span style="color: #FF0000">LOL, they were already in the pits before Obama even got into the White House. IMO, he diverted Bush's depression. Without Bush's two unfinished wars annd colossal deficits, we wouloldn't be in this mess in the first place. And, didn't you vote for him twice? </span>
Now, he is trying to convine the Europeans to spend more when they, of all people, just travelled down the raod he is pointing out and know, better than anyone, how badly it turns out.

<span style="color: #FF0000">You seem to conveniently forget which administration created the financial disaster, and which crfeated TARP.</span>

Now he is wet in oil and as covered in goo and all those pelicans here in the Gulf. Is it just cooincidence that one guy was the biggest recipient of BP money in the last election? and who would that be? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif How do you square that and all the polls showing him dropping in popularity every day?

<span style="color: #FF0000">I've already posted the proof of that lie. Guyess you missed it? I posted a chart showing who got what, and McCain and Romney got loads of oil money, while Obama go zilch. </span>

Face it, he is a nice guy and most people, despite what the left would have you believe about the "flyover" people, most of us like him as a person. He, like you and many others predicted before Hillary was booted, is just not prepared for the 3:00a.m. call. He is bright, articulate and clean (Biden's words, not mine) but is not prepared to be POTUS and it shows for all now. </div></div>


<span style="color: #FF0000">Forgive me if I don't fall in line with the opinions of someone who voted twice for the worst president in hisory, and who said Iraq was the right thing to do, and would distract al Qaeda from attacking us. </span> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

<span style="color: #FF0000">The fly over Bubbas are the ones who voted twice for Bush, and were ready to put a radical patient of a witch doctor, who makes less sense than Professor Corey, a heart beat away from the presidency.

I love elitists. If you were having open heart surgery, you'd be looking for an elitist, from an Ivey League Medical college, not some bubba from the fly over states.</span> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

llotter
06-30-2010, 08:43 AM
Aren't Bush era tax cuts due to expire next year?

Deeman3
06-30-2010, 09:04 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I love elitists. If you were having open heart surgery, you'd be looking for an elitist, from an Ivey League Medical college, not some bubba from the fly over states.[/color] /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif </div></div>

<span style="color: #FF0000">I don't think elitists are the ones doing the heart surgery, they are he ones sueing everyone after it is over.

Besides, once you lose Huffington, it is starting to get late inthe day. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif </span>

Arianna appeared as a guest on CNN's "Fareed Zakaria GPS" on Sunday, along with Eliot Spitzer, Ross Douthat and Katrina vanden Heuvel . The roundtable discussed the growing frustration with Obama over his handling of the economy and the Gulf oil spill.

"President Obama is front and center in the news again this week," Zakaria began. "This time it's for the firing of Stanley McChrystal. Before that he was being criticized for his handling of the oil spill. His approval levels are down, and the nattering nabobs of negativism have been hammering him around the clock. Even some of the most left leaning of the commentary have turned on Barack Obama. So what does all this mean?"

Spitzer said that Obama needs to do more to take charge of the oil spill response. "He trusts people too much," Spitzer said. "He trusted Wall Street. He trusted the Republicans to engage in a meaningful way. He trusted BP. He's 0 for three."

"What Eliot said is absolutely critical," Arianna continued. "It's not just trust. I think there is almost like a reverence that the president has for authority. You know, a reverence for establishments. You know, the Wall Street establishment. The military establishment. The BP establishment, you know? Even his own admiral in charge of the BP oil spill a few weeks ago said that 'I trust that what Tony Hayward is telling me.' He actually used those words. So that is really very fundamental problem that is affecting his whole presidency."

"Liberals are dismayed. They're angry. They're abandoning him," Zakaria said.

Arianna replied that "This whole framing as a right versus left debate -- a liberal verse conservative debate is completely flawed. It's obsolete. It's making it much harder for us to solve our problems as a country."

"Wall Street reform is a classic example," she continued, "where some of the best conservative minds, and some of the best liberal minds agree that if you don't have the end of too big to fail, if you don't have fundamental derivatives reform, everything else is ultimately cosmetic."

"But the two parties are now ideologically polarized," Zakaria argued.

"You know what? I think Arianna is right," vanden Heuvel responded. "Because the left-right construct is artificial. And I think too much of it is the establishment media."

"The point here is that there is something really important about this left and right obsession that the media has," Arianna continued. "I mean, at the Huffington Post we have a tag line called, 'Beyond Left and Right.' And we use it a lot. ... When you have Mayor Bloomberg coming together with Fox News to push for real immigration reform. On drug reform. There is a huge left-right coalition on Afghanistan, and Wall Street reform. This is not really the easy division that the media likes to present."

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

Gayle in MD
06-30-2010, 09:17 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deeman3</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I love elitists. If you were having open heart surgery, you'd be looking for an elitist, from an Ivey League Medical college, not some bubba from the fly over states.[/color] /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif </div></div>

<span style="color: #FF0000">I don't think elitists are the ones doing the heart surgery, they are he ones sueing everyone after it is over.


<span style="color: #FF0000">Any proof of that twisted view? </span>
Besides, once you lose Huffington, it is starting to get late inthe day. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif </span>

<span style="color: #FF0000">There are as many bloggers on Huffingtonpost who make me angry, as there are on here, FYI. I hate to tell you this, but none of you righties on here have a clue about Huffingtonpost. If you checked it out for yourselves, you'd see, it is far from a partisan site, and anyway, where do any of you righties get off on being critical of me, when you have written here of your admiration for Mann coulter, and Glen Beck, and Sarah Palinaroundwithterrorists, the most idiotic person to ever show up on the National Scene? </span>

Arianna appeared as a guest on CNN's "Fareed Zakaria GPS" on Sunday, along with Eliot Spitzer, Ross Douthat and Katrina vanden Heuvel . The roundtable discussed the growing frustration with Obama over his handling of the economy and the Gulf oil spill.

"President Obama is front and center in the news again this week," Zakaria began. "This time it's for the firing of Stanley McChrystal. Before that he was being criticized for his handling of the oil spill. His approval levels are down, and the nattering nabobs of negativism have been hammering him around the clock. Even some of the most left leaning of the commentary have turned on Barack Obama. So what does all this mean?"

Spitzer said that Obama needs to do more to take charge of the oil spill response. "He trusts people too much," Spitzer said. "He trusted Wall Street. He trusted the Republicans to engage in a meaningful way. He trusted BP. He's 0 for three."

"What Eliot said is absolutely critical," Arianna continued. "It's not just trust. I think there is almost like a reverence that the president has for authority. You know, a reverence for establishments. You know, the Wall Street establishment. The military establishment. The BP establishment, you know? Even his own admiral in charge of the BP oil spill a few weeks ago said that 'I trust that what Tony Hayward is telling me.' He actually used those words. So that is really very fundamental problem that is affecting his whole presidency."

"Liberals are dismayed. They're angry. They're abandoning him," Zakaria said.

Arianna replied that "This whole framing as a right versus left debate -- a liberal verse conservative debate is completely flawed. It's obsolete. It's making it much harder for us to solve our problems as a country."

"Wall Street reform is a classic example," she continued, "where some of the best conservative minds, and some of the best liberal minds agree that if you don't have the end of too big to fail, if you don't have fundamental derivatives reform, everything else is ultimately cosmetic."

"But the two parties are now ideologically polarized," Zakaria argued.

"You know what? I think Arianna is right," vanden Heuvel responded. "Because the left-right construct is artificial. And I think too much of it is the establishment media."

"The point here is that there is something really important about this left and right obsession that the media has," Arianna continued. "I mean, at the Huffington Post we have a tag line called, 'Beyond Left and Right.' And we use it a lot. ... When you have Mayor Bloomberg coming together with Fox News to push for real immigration reform. On drug reform. There is a huge left-right coalition on Afghanistan, and Wall Street reform. This is not really the easy division that the media likes to present."

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif </div></div>


<span style="color: #FF0000">Big deal, Deeman. There is nothing new about this.

Time will tell, and IMO, the Tea party idiots will cost Republicans more than they will ever provide.

But, thanks for making my point, which I have told you all along, Huffingtonpost is not, nor has it ever been, a strictly partisan organization, like Fux, Limpballs, Beck, and the rest of your unAmerican heores.

G. </span> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

eg8r
06-30-2010, 09:58 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">President Obama's administration has been blamed for reckless spending that has put America into its debt hole.</div></div>Actually he is being blamed for making a horrible situation even more horrible. Instead of reducing spending to try and get everything under control, he went out and spent trillions more dollars.

eg8r

eg8r
06-30-2010, 10:00 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not true, he has saved hundreds of thousands of jobs, and diverted the worst Depression in history, predicted by Bush to last as long as a decade.
</div></div>NOT TRUE. He has not saved any jobs. As far as bad predictions by Bush, how about that magical 8% unemployment Obama put out there. Obama actually made unemployment worse.

eg8r

eg8r
06-30-2010, 10:06 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">But, thanks for making my point, which I have told you all along, Huffingtonpost is not, nor has it ever been, a strictly partisan organization, like Fux, Limpballs, Beck, and the rest of your unAmerican heores.</div></div>You are kidding right? The leader of the leftist rag says, "we are not leftist" and you call that "proof". You really are easy.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
06-30-2010, 10:28 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not true, he has saved hundreds of thousands of jobs, and diverted the worst Depression in history, predicted by Bush to last as long as a decade.
</div></div>NOT TRUE. He has not saved any jobs. As far as bad predictions by Bush, how about that magical 8% unemployment Obama put out there. Obama actually made unemployment worse.

eg8r </div></div>

You're wrong, as usual. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

eg8r
06-30-2010, 10:40 AM
As usual you are wrong.

eg8r

pooltchr
06-30-2010, 11:11 AM
I can't help but laugh at the lame attempts of the left to spin everything to protect Obama.
Bush spending was bad, but Obama has to spend more because Bush spent too much!
Healthcare is going to save us money. I think Dee covered that on in another thread.
Obama is taking what they say Bush created, and is making it worse, and they refuse to admit it.

Blind partisans are some of the saddest people around.

Steve

pooltchr
06-30-2010, 12:00 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Oh yeah, lets just forget that 62% of the mortgage defaults were a resuolt of exhorbitant health and health insurance costs. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif </div></div>



That is such a frequent comment when this subject comes up, let's take a closer look.

Last year, total personal bankruptcy filings in the US amounted to 0.33 percent of the population. 60% of that would be less than 0.2 percent.

Now I will admit that it is a problem for those affected, it seems as if the problem is not nearly as widespread as some would have us believe.

0.2 percent, to put in simple terms, is one penny out of five dollars.

Now, how much did that healthcare bill actually cost us for that tiny percentage of the population?


Steve

Stretch
06-30-2010, 12:30 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">CHART OF THE DAY: Reminder, <span style='font-size: 17pt'>The Deficit You're Freaking Out About Is Bush's Fault</span>

June 28, 2010, 3:19PM

President Obama's administration has been blamed for reckless spending that has put America into its debt hole. But in reality, much of that spending emanates from policies of President Bush, according to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities.

They argue that Iraq, Afghanistan, and the Bush tax cuts (along with the economic downturn) are what is driving the U.S. deficit, not stimulus spending.

The chart presents the ugly truth </div></div>

http://static.businessinsider.com/image/4c28e8027f8b9ad402570000/chart-of-the-day-bush-policies-deficits-june-2010.gif

You see the brown part that keeps getting bigger and bigger???.... , that's the Bush tax cuts for the rich that GW didn't pay for. Yes its true, he sold your children's future so he could give trillions to the very richest.


Bend over Main Street guy...........




Q........... link to truth (http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/06/chart-of-the-day-reminder-the-deficit-youre-freaking-out-about-is-bushs-fault.php) </div></div>

How ridiculous is that!

TARP was a Bush plan ... but one pushed through by the demokooks and opposed by a wide margin by the republichickens in a rare show of courage. It was also Obama who took credit for crafting the senate version when it was politically expedient to be for it.

FANNIE/FREDDIE were the creations of FDR and LBJ and Obama/Dodd/Clinton/Waters/Frank et al ran legal interference for them while Bush?McCain were trying to get FANNIE/FREDDIE reforms passed.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> </div></div>The economic downturn is a direct result of leftist economic policies enacted following the 2006 elections ... the tax cuts flooded the treasury but congress spent even more ... and your "CHART" is based on nothing but twistings of reality.

LWW </div></div> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> </div></div>



Well you would be the authority on twistings of reality with all your fabrications of irritable mental gestures which seek to resemble ideas. St.

Gayle in MD
06-30-2010, 01:02 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">President Obama's administration has been blamed for reckless spending that has put America into its debt hole.</div></div>Actually he is being blamed for making a horrible situation even more horrible. Instead of reducing spending to try and get everything under control, he went out and spent trillions more dollars.

eg8r </div></div>

Like every other country, yes, he spent money to stimulate the economy, and to prevent greater job losses.

Millions upon millions spent to maintain policemen, teachers, firemen across this nation. You woldn't even be able to call for firemen to come and put out a fire at your houose, if not for President Obama.

You and the right can't even admit to what Bush did to this country, from his 9/11 failure, to his war of choice, for nothing, which was supposed to be over in three months, but which we are STILL tryng to get out of. Bush turned a 137 billion dollar surplus into a

I'm sick of all of you from the right. For years you denied every mess Bush made, from his F-ups in Iraq and Afghanistan, to his spending and cutting taxes, most of it for the rich, and 1.3 TRILLION DOLLAR DEFICIT, and din't pay for a damned thing, borrowing to pay for all of it. What did you answer to any of it? Attacks, over and over, against all of us who predicted the colossal messes he made of everything, those of us who predicted exactly the hole he was digging this country into.

Now, you want to balme Obama for not being a magician, and hold him to every word he spoke, but you had no problem overlooking all of the huge failures and lies of the Bush policies.

I say, you're all nuts! All of you. It is absurd to suppose that Bush could destroy this countty over eight years, and Obama could totally turn things around in under two years. the economy is showing private sector job increases every month for six months, and we are not in a Depression, which proves we are going in the right direction. GDP is growing.

You're all lucky you're not standing in a soup line, which is where you'd be right now if McInsane was in there right now, he'd be blowing up the Middle East, we'd be suffering from nuclear radiation fallout every time the wind shifted, with nothing to protect us but a idiot from Alask, who can't keep her mind on anything that isn't written on her hand!

The chart proves most of this deficit is still Bush's.

None of you from the right have enough understanding of what is going on to even know how much worse Bush's Depression would be right now if this president hadn't done the things he did to divert it.

STOP LYING, ED, we all know that Obama saved millions of jobs. We all know Bush was hemmoraging jobs for two whole years before we finally got rid of his sorry ass!

It's disgusting to see how you righties intentionally twist reality around to suit yourselves. I suppose, after you've been writing on here for eight years, denying all of the damages under Bush, none of you has the wherewithall to be man enough to admit to how stupid you were all along.


Now go back and suck the tit of the radical right wing....none of you is grown up enough to use a spoon!

G.

eg8r
06-30-2010, 01:58 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Like every other country, yes, he spent money to stimulate the economy, and to prevent greater job losses.</div></div>It didn't stimulate anything and in fact drove us even deeper in unemployment. He has not saved anything and made things worse.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
06-30-2010, 02:03 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Like every other country, yes, he spent money to stimulate the economy, and to prevent greater job losses.</div></div>It didn't stimulate anything and in fact drove us even deeper in unemployment. He has not saved anything and made things worse.

eg8r </div></div>

He saved us from Bush's Predicted Depression, you just can't admit it, same way you couldn't admit that Bush's policies created it.

None of you righties have a clue about economics, anyway....You denied the recession for a whole year after economists were saying we were in a recession, right along with Bush! Same thing Reagan did, denied his recession...

Republican policies have destroyed the country, but we're coming back, in spite of the obstructionist Republican Oil Party.

So how's that drill baby drill workin' out for ya in Florida, Ed?

LOL... /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

eg8r
06-30-2010, 02:12 PM
He saved us from nothing. Actually everything got worse after he started blowing money on non-stimulus stuff.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So how's that drill baby drill workin' out for ya in Florida, Ed?</div></div>Working for me fine.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
06-30-2010, 02:28 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">He saved us from nothing.

<span style="color: #FF0000">According to Bush, Obama saved us from a decade long depression....Are you saying that both Bush, and his appointees all lied about the coming complete global collapse if we did not do TARP? Becauswe, you can't have it both ways....either we were crashing, or not, and if we were, stimulus was appropriate....it is a fact, jobs have been created, and saved. We were losing jobs the entire last two years of the Bush REgime. </span>

Actually everything got worse after he started blowing money on non-stimulus stuff.


<span style="color: #FF0000">Deep recesions always get worse before they get better. Bush's was the deepest since the Great Depression....what did you expect? Republicans have blocked everything....that's the problem.</span>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So how's that drill baby drill workin' out for ya in Florida, Ed?</div></div>Working for me fine.

eg8r </div></div>
<span style="color: #FF0000">LOL, not for long....</span> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

pooltchr
06-30-2010, 04:06 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[
Now, you want to balme Obama for not being a magician, and hold him to every word he spoke,
G. </div></div>

I don't think anyone expected Obama to turn things around in his first year and a half. But most of us would have been happy had he not piled on even more.

You seem to think that because Bush spent money, Obama should do more. That is the twisted logic that we find so entertaining.

As for holding him to his campaign promises.....Yeah!

Or are you admitting that he lied during the campaign?

Steve

eg8r
07-01-2010, 09:18 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">According to Bush, Obama saved us from a decade long depression</div></div>According to Obama we would only have a max of 8% unemployment and be out of Iraq by now. No Obama did not save us from anything, he is making it all worse.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Deep recesions always get worse before they get better. Bush's was the deepest since the Great Depression....</div></div>You don't even know what you are talking about. The problem is Obama is continuing to drive us into deeper debt than ever without any reduction in spending in sight. He is making it worse and I fear we might have more people stupid enough to vote the way you do that will keep a few dems in office come November.

I just thank the good Lord that more and more Americans are seeing Obama to be the scam he is and they are not listening to the lies of those you quote.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LOL, not for long.... </div></div>How you can find humor in the fact that the oil is going to be ripping up our economy and environment is despicable.

eg8r

pooltchr
07-01-2010, 09:24 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LOL, not for long.... </div></div>How you can find humor in the fact that the oil is going to be ripping up our economy and environment is despicable.

eg8r </div></div>

She doesn't care about the country or the environment...she only cares about promoting the democrat agenda, and following the ten commandments of Obama that get passed down to her daily.

Steve

Gayle in MD
07-01-2010, 10:02 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">According to Bush, Obama saved us from a decade long depression</div></div>According to Obama we would only have a max of 8% unemployment

<span style="color: #FF0000">Eight percent was a goal. Bush's recession was too deep for that to happen no matter what we did. </span>


and be out of Iraq by now.

<span style="color: #FF0000">Bush put us into Iraq, and promised to have us out in three months. You thought his failures were A-OK. Now, you expecdt miracales for solving multi Republican disasters. Hypocritical.</span>


No Obama did not save us from anything, he is making it all worse.

<span style="color: #FF0000">Bush predicted a decade long Depression, worse than the Great Depression. So far, Obama has steered us into better cirdcumstances. We were hemmoraging jobs as a far higher rate under Bush, than under Obama. Job loss rates are down. </span>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Deep recesions always get worse before they get better. Bush's was the deepest since the Great Depression....</div></div>You don't even know what you are talking about.

<span style="color: #FF0000">YOU don't even know what YOU'RE talking about </span>


The problem is Obama is continuing to drive us into deeper debt than ever without any reduction in spending in sight.

<span style="color: #FF0000">Deep Recessions always require spending to check an emergency situation, which was left to Obama, by BUSH. </span>


He is making it worse and I fear we might have more people stupid enough to vote the way you do that will keep a few dems in office come November.


<span style="color: #FF0000"> I fear the same dummies that put Bush in office, and caused this entire mess from Wall street to the Middle East, will go back aGAIN, and vote in the same party that drove the tgrain off the tracks in the first place!</span>

I just thank the good Lord that more and more Americans are seeing Obama to be the scam he is and they are not listening to the lies of those you quote.


<span style="color: #FF0000">You should be asking your Lord to forgive you for your own lies, and Bush's, who lied more than any President in history. </span>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LOL, not for long.... </div></div>How you can find humor in the fact that the oil is going to be ripping up our economy and environment is despicable.

eg8r </div></div>


<span style="color: #FF0000">I don't find any humor in that, I find humor in the fact that you STILL can't connect the dots between REpublican deregulatory policies, and the very disaster which your own state, and many other states are facing right now. But then, you're the expert on what I think, feel, and mean with my words.

G. </span> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

eg8r
07-01-2010, 11:56 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Eight percent was a goal. Bush's recession was too deep for that to happen no matter what we did. </div></div>Wow, you are trying to rewrite all kinds of history today aren't you.

It is a wonderful thing to see people rejecting anyone that stands behind Obama. Heck Reid doesn't even want Obama anywhere near him lately.

eg8r

pooltchr
07-01-2010, 11:59 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[

<span style="color: #FF0000">Eight percent was a goal. Bush's recession was too deep for that to happen no matter what we did. </span>


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No, 8% was NOT a "goal". It was the promise that was made in order to pass a trillion dollar spending bill. We were told that passing the bill was the only way to hold unemployment at that level. Obviously, it didn't work.

I love how you twist the facts to fit your own reality.

Obama either lied, or is a fool.

You decide!

Steve

LWW
07-01-2010, 06:25 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stretch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">CHART OF THE DAY: Reminder, <span style='font-size: 17pt'>The Deficit You're Freaking Out About Is Bush's Fault</span>

June 28, 2010, 3:19PM

President Obama's administration has been blamed for reckless spending that has put America into its debt hole. But in reality, much of that spending emanates from policies of President Bush, according to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities.

They argue that Iraq, Afghanistan, and the Bush tax cuts (along with the economic downturn) are what is driving the U.S. deficit, not stimulus spending.

The chart presents the ugly truth </div></div>

http://static.businessinsider.com/image/4c28e8027f8b9ad402570000/chart-of-the-day-bush-policies-deficits-june-2010.gif

You see the brown part that keeps getting bigger and bigger???.... , that's the Bush tax cuts for the rich that GW didn't pay for. Yes its true, he sold your children's future so he could give trillions to the very richest.


Bend over Main Street guy...........




Q........... link to truth (http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/06/chart-of-the-day-reminder-the-deficit-youre-freaking-out-about-is-bushs-fault.php) </div></div>

How ridiculous is that!

TARP was a Bush plan ... but one pushed through by the demokooks and opposed by a wide margin by the republichickens in a rare show of courage. It was also Obama who took credit for crafting the senate version when it was politically expedient to be for it.

FANNIE/FREDDIE were the creations of FDR and LBJ and Obama/Dodd/Clinton/Waters/Frank et al ran legal interference for them while Bush?McCain were trying to get FANNIE/FREDDIE reforms passed.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> </div></div>The economic downturn is a direct result of leftist economic policies enacted following the 2006 elections ... the tax cuts flooded the treasury but congress spent even more ... and your "CHART" is based on nothing but twistings of reality.

LWW </div></div> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> </div></div>



Well you would be the authority on twistings of reality with all your fabrications of irritable mental gestures which seek to resemble ideas. St. </div></div>

Then here's your chance to embarrass me by posting up a fact based rebuttal showing me to be wrong.

What's that?

You would if you could but you can't so you shan't?

I already knew that.

LWW

Gayle in MD
07-01-2010, 07:30 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Eight percent was a goal. Bush's recession was too deep for that to happen no matter what we did. </div></div>Wow, you are trying to rewrite all kinds of history today aren't you.


<span style="color: #FF6666">No, you are. Did Bush promise we'd be out of Iraq in three months? Did he promise the war would pay for itself? Did he promise he'd get bin Laden?

You have no room to call anyone partisan, Ed. Bush spent us into the debt pit, and not one of you righties were utraged over it. NOT ONE!</span>
It is a wonderful thing to see people rejecting anyone that stands behind Obama. Heck Reid doesn't even want Obama anywhere near him lately.

eg8r </div></div>

<span style="color: #FF6666">President Obama has already been down to support Senator Reid, once, and he is sought after by all of the other Democratics, FYI! </span> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smirk.gif

pooltchr
07-01-2010, 08:32 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<span style="color: #FF6666">President Obama has already been down to support Senator Reid, once, and he is sought after by all of the other Democratics, FYI! </span> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smirk.gif

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Down??? Don't they teach geography in the public schools where you live?

I know you don't want to hear the facts, but Obama is not doing the party any favors these days. Independents are abandoning him by the bus loads, and even the Dems are understanding that he is too far to the left for comfort. His approval ratings have tanked, and he is not even 2 years into his term. Yes, there are a few who will use him out of desperation, because they already see the writing on the wall. The rest, who think they still have a chance to remain in office, will be avoiding him.

If you really believe the garbage you post, I hope you are prepared to deal with some serious disappointment. Your guy is crashing.

Steve


Steve

eg8r
07-02-2010, 04:45 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No, you are. Did Bush promise we'd be out of Iraq in three months? Did he promise the war would pay for itself? Did he promise he'd get bin Laden?
</div></div>Great so since he failed there you have come to believe it is acceptable for Obama to fail and we should not point out his failures. Sorry, but I won't let you rewrite history and then when I point it out you try and change the subject. Get on task here granny, we are talking about Obama and his failures. Your partisanship is coming out again.

Yes President went to support Reid and his numbers dropped and he has not been invited back. There are no democrats seeking out Obama to come to their state and if they are then those are the Dems that are already behind and really have no chance anyways. He was poison in Mass.

eg8r

Qtec
07-02-2010, 06:09 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Great so since he failed there you have come to believe it is acceptable for Obama to fail</div></div>

What about the accountability and responsibility that you are always going on about.
You give Bush a free pardon but you want to hold Obama accountable for a disaster he didn't create.

Bush had 8 years and Obama has had 18 months of Republican obstruction.

Q

Gayle in MD
07-02-2010, 06:17 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No, you are. Did Bush promise we'd be out of Iraq in three months? Did he promise the war would pay for itself? Did he promise he'd get bin Laden?
</div></div>Great so since he failed there you have come to believe it is acceptable for Obama to fail and we should not point out his failures. Sorry, but I won't let you rewrite history and then when I point it out you try and change the subject. Get on task here granny, we are talking about Obama and his failures. Your partisanship is coming out again.

Yes President went to support Reid and his numbers dropped and he has not been invited back. There are no democrats seeking out Obama to come to their state and if they are then those are the Dems that are already behind and really have no chance anyways. He was poison in Mass.

eg8r </div></div>


Most realistic people know and understand that in the Mass. election, Democratics had a very poor candidate, but, actually, although you didn't hear it on Fux, Dems won more seats overall, for the Senate and the House, than Repubs.

It's not important to me how you see the coming election, Ed, I've read your denials of reality on here for years. Neither you, nor your rightie co-hearts on here have displayed any ability to see the facts. Don't forget, all of those who have been consistantly attacked by you three genius Bubbas, predicted Bush would be the worst president in moderen times. We were right. Now you're all still blaming Democratics for the damages of Republican Policies, which nearly brought this country down.

Your lies, however, are too much to take. It is a FACT, that these Republican crooks sopped up every dollar they could get from this president, and it is a fact that Policemen, teachers, firemen across this nation, have jobs because of his spending, which Republicans attacked him for, while at the same time, holdinng out their rubby hot little hands.

Not that I'd expect either you, nor the rest of the RW deniers on here, to acknowledge any of that.


BTW, you sould stop changing the subject, and comment on the chart.
G.

eg8r
07-02-2010, 09:13 AM
It appears that you still do not want to talk about the subject of the thread and you want to keep changing the subject.

eg8r

eg8r
07-02-2010, 09:15 AM
I did not give him a pardon at all. I and many others here have said more than plenty that fiscally W was horrible. You are just ignoring the truth and trying to rewrite history.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
07-02-2010, 10:54 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It appears that you still do not want to talk about the subject of the thread and you want to keep changing the subject.

eg8r </div></div>

The subject of the thread is the portion of the debts that are from BUSH.

You are the one changing the subject.

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LWW
07-03-2010, 04:01 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I did not give him a pardon at all. I and many others here have said more than plenty that fiscally W was horrible. You are just ignoring the truth and trying to rewrite history.

eg8r </div></div>

The leftists here know that.

They cling to the lie because they have nothing else. No amount of truth will cease their bleatings of party talking points.

LWW