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pooltchr
07-09-2010, 11:19 AM
During the Clinton administration, much was made of how he governed by the polls. He had to find out what the public thought before he did anything.

Obama is just the opposite. He has shown clearly that he doesn't give a damn what the public thinks.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100709/pl_afp/usimmigrationpoliticspoll_20100709142254

I think, from that standpoint, Clinton had a better idea of what a president should be than this guy does.

Steve

LWW
07-09-2010, 04:30 PM
Obama could learn a lot from a trained circus animal.

LWW

Qtec
07-10-2010, 04:06 PM
The Az Law is unconstitutional. He has to oppose it because he is bound to uphold the USCON.

Q

pooltchr
07-10-2010, 04:59 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Az Law is unconstitutional. He has to oppose it because he is bound to uphold the USCON.

Q </div></div>

On what are you basing that opinion? I think when the case gets to court, you will find that the law is actually well within the constraints of the constitution. I don't believe there is anything in the constitution that limits local law enforcement from enforcing any law that is on the books. In fact, they may actually have an obligation to enforce ALL laws.

Robbing a bank is a federal offense. Should local cops ignore bank robberies and wait for the FBI to handle it???????


And, since you bring it up, doesn't Obama have an obligation to enforce federal law? Is he neglecting his duty?
I'm looking forward to seeing how this gets resolved in the courts. I'm betting AZ will come out on top on this one.

Steve

Qtec
07-10-2010, 05:56 PM
Its discrimination. Its against the USCON.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Mr Obama criticised the new Arizona law, saying it would “undermine basic notions of fairness that we cherish as Americans”. He said the law was “misguided” and that he had asked the justice department to investigate the legality of the bill.

The law makes it a crime to assist an illegal immigrant while the most contentious provision allows police to stop and arrest people if they have “reasonable suspicion” they are in the US illegally. If those stopped are not carrying the correct identification, they will be fined or sent to prison.

“It’s discriminating against an entire community,” said Robert Dias, who joined the Phoenix demonstration in front of the capitol building. <span style='font-size: 17pt'>“The police will be able to detain anyone based on the colour of their skin.” </span>Nely Aguilar, who was attending the protest with her children – all of whom were born in the US – said she feared persecution by the police. <span style='font-size: 17pt'>“If you look brown they will stop you,”</span> she said. </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges <span style='font-size: 17pt'>or immunities of citizens</span> of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the <span style='font-size: 17pt'>equal protection of the laws.</span> </div></div>


Its not the rights of illegals that this is about, its about the rights of legal US citizens of Mexican decent.

Q

pooltchr
07-10-2010, 06:13 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <span style='font-size: 17pt'>“The police will be able to detain anyone based on the colour of their skin.” </span>
Q </div></div>

This is the big lie they are pushing. There is nothing in the AZ law that allows this behavior. Police can not just arbitrarily detain anyone. If the stop someone breaking the law, they have the right to question whether they are here legally or not, but they can not just stop people randomly for this purpose.

Read the law yourself, don't take their word for it, or mine.

Steve

Qtec
07-10-2010, 06:26 PM
Ok, lets wait and see what the court says.

Q

Stretch
07-10-2010, 08:26 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Obama could learn a lot from a trained circus animal.

LWW </div></div>

So what would your advice be for him? St.

pooltchr
07-10-2010, 08:31 PM
Have you read the actual law?

Steve

yaz
07-10-2010, 08:33 PM
Here's what the nation's leading newspaper,(sic) the Charlotte Observer has to say on that subject:
XXX (http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/07/10/1553614/yes-sue-arizona-but-tackle-immigration.html)

yaz
07-10-2010, 09:27 PM
Obama could learn to be a "swordsman" ???

Qtec
07-11-2010, 03:13 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">B. FOR ANY LAWFUL CONTACT MADE BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR AGENCY OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE <u>WHERE REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN WHO IS UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES,</u> A REASONABLE ATTEMPT SHALL BE MADE,
WHEN PRACTICABLE, TO DETERMINE THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF THE PERSON. THE PERSON'S IMMIGRATION STATUS SHALL BE VERIFIED WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PURSUANT TO 8 UNITED STATES CODE SECTION 1373(c).
27 C. IF AN ALIEN WHO IS UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES IS CONVICTED OF A VIOLATION OF STATE OR LOCAL LAW, ON DISCHARGE FROM IMPRISONMENT OR ASSESSMENT OF ANY FINE THAT IS IMPOSED, THE ALIEN SHALL BE TRANSFERRED IMMEDIATELY TO THE CUSTODY OF THE UNITED STATES IMMIGRATION AND CUSTOMS ENFORCEMENT OR THE UNITED STATES CUSTOMS AND BORDER PROTECTION.
32 D. NOTWITHSTANDING ANY OTHER LAW, A LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY MAY
SECURELY TRANSPORT AN ALIEN WHO IS UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES AND WHO IS IN THE AGENCY'S CUSTODY TO A FEDERAL FACILITY IN THIS STATE OR TO ANY OTHER POINT OF TRANSFER INTO FEDERAL CUSTODY THAT IS OUTSIDE THE JURISDICTION OF THE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY.
37 E. A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, WITHOUT A WARRANT, MAY ARREST A PERSON IF THE OFFICER HAS PROBABLE CAUSE TO BELIEVE THAT THE PERSON HAS COMMITTED ANY PUBLIC OFFENSE THAT MAKES THE PERSON REMOVABLE FROM THE UNITED STATES. </div></div>

Q

Qtec
07-11-2010, 04:08 AM
jon stewart nails it (http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/07/jon_stewart_on_az_training_video_somexicans_are_fc .php)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As we reported last week, Arizona released a training video for law enforcement officials training them how not to be accused of racial profiling while implementing the state's new immigration law. </div></div>

Q..............LOL

eg8r
07-12-2010, 06:25 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Az Law is unconstitutional. He has to oppose it because he is bound to uphold the USCON.</div></div>So what part of the US Constitution is being broken by the illegal immigration law?

eg8r

eg8r
07-12-2010, 06:27 AM
The illegals do not have any rights. The legals should have no problem proving they are here legally.

eg8r

eg8r
07-12-2010, 06:29 AM
Why didn't you keep underlining the rest of the sentence? Why are you cherry picking out a section and twisting its meaning?

eg8r

Qtec
07-12-2010, 06:33 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As many have noted, the most obvious (and provocative) question raised by this provision is, "What do illegal immigrants look like?" They're probably Hispanic, but so are 30 percent of Arizona's residents. So unless the law authorizes the stopping and questioning of any person who looks darker than the average Caucasian, there needs to be some other criteria that set apart illegal aliens from lawful residents.

But so far, no one has come up with any. When asked what other factors an officer might use to single out an unlawful resident, Brewer replied, "We have to trust our law enforcement."

That's not a constitutionally acceptable answer. <span style='font-size: 20pt'>For one thing, the Constitution's equal protection clause forbids the government from differentiating between anyone in the United States -- including illegal aliens -- on the basis of race.</span> The new law, on its face, doesn't make racial distinctions, but its supporters haven't articulated any other grounds for suspecting that someone is an unlawful resident. <span style='font-size: 20pt'>It is, therefore, vulnerable to the argument that it essentially criminalizes walking while Hispanic.</span>

The failure to adequately define "reasonable suspicion" also subjects the law to what might be called the "Papers, please" line of attack. <span style='font-size: 20pt'>Under the Fourth Amendment, police officers can't simply stop people on the street and force them to answer questions. Instead, policemen can generally detain people only if there are specific and objective facts that suggest criminal activity is afoot.</span>

For many crimes -- say, drug-dealing -- there may well be reliable and concrete factors that would alert an officer to possible illegality. But unlawful presence in the United States is a crime of status. Short of seeing someone sneak over the border, what specific, objective facts would suggest to an officer that a person is in the country unlawfully?

<span style='font-size: 20pt'>The law seems to require that officers demand documentation from suspected aliens based on mere hunches -- a clear violation of the Constitution.</span> </div></div>

read it (http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2010/04/26/is_arizona_immigration_law_constitutional)

Can't you just look this stuff up for yourself?

Q

eg8r
07-12-2010, 06:43 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For one thing, the Constitution's equal protection clause forbids the government from differentiating between anyone in the United States -- including illegal aliens -- on the basis of race.</div></div>No one is differentiating on the basis of race.

I was wondering when are you going to start standing on your own feet and posting your own thoughts. You are the google queen but that doesn't always have to be. I asked YOU what part of the US Con was broken and you gave me a quote from some website.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Can't you just look this stuff up for yourself?</div></div>Sure I can, and I did, there is nothing there to defend you. We also see that you were speaking out of your rear and had to hunt the web for someone that believed the same way you do so that you could quote them.

eg8r

Qtec
07-12-2010, 07:13 AM
Like I said to Steve in a previous post,

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Its not the rights of illegals that this is about, its about the rights of legal US citizens of Mexican decent.

Q </div></div>


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 14pt'>The illegals do not have any rights.</span> The legals should have no problem proving they are here legally.

eg8r </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">14th Amendment
Amendment XIV
Section 1.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; <span style='font-size: 14pt'>nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; <u>nor deny to <span style='font-size: 20pt'>any person</span></u> within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. </span></div></div>


The US CON DOES apply to illegals, its there in black and white.


Q

eg8r
07-12-2010, 09:11 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Its not the rights of illegals that this is about, its about the rights of legal US citizens of Mexican decent.</div></div>And I responded saying illegals have no rights. Again, if the person is here legally it is no problem to show your drivers license and then move down the road. The people are being pulled over because they are breaking the law, NOT because their skin color is brown.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
07-12-2010, 09:56 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Like I said to Steve in a previous post,

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Its not the rights of illegals that this is about, its about the rights of legal US citizens of Mexican decent.

Q </div></div>


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 14pt'>The illegals do not have any rights.</span> The legals should have no problem proving they are here legally.

eg8r </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">14th Amendment
Amendment XIV
Section 1.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; <span style='font-size: 14pt'>nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; <u>nor deny to <span style='font-size: 20pt'>any person</span></u> within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. </span></div></div>


The US CON DOES apply to illegals, its there in black and white.


Q </div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The legals should have no problem proving they are here legally.

eg8r </div></div> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

Typical Eggface statement, and has nothing at all to do with the subject, whether or not they can prove they are legal, has nothing to do with the fact that pulling them over is racial profiling, which is unconstitutional, period!!!

Eg better hope they don't start profiling dummies, pulling them over and checking their IQ's.



Is it just me, or does it seem to others that the rightwing never seems to have the facts about the Constitution, yet that's what they're always screaming about everything, that it's unconstitutional.

I find this very interesting, since there were so many broken laws, and unconstitutional actions taken by the former president and which leagues of constitutional experts said were unconsitutional, yet they were silent about the consitutional infractiions and blatant law breaking, for eight years under the abuse of power exhibited by the Bush Administration.

In fact, one Former Federal Judge, with over 20 years experience on the Federal Bench, even wrote a mock trial, in her book, U.S. V. George W. Bush et al. by Elizabeth de la Vega, which proved a conspiracy to defraud the United States Of America.

These people who are yapping about illegals, never offer any operable option for how we are to deal with all of the Cheap labor that Reagan ushered into this country with his AMNESTY. Of course, at least one rightie on here doesn't even know the meaning of the word Amnesty.


The same righties who are all for ethnic profiling of other Americans, around here, vote for Republicans, who refuse to even enter into any effort at creating immigration reform legislation.

This is an excellent example of how often one sees that the right wants their cake and eat it too.

What are we to do with thirty million illegal aliens? Send them all home? How? Oh, but don't bother the businesses who are paying them under the table, oh no, don't let Government get into it!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHA.....


Do they think that that Republican Governor witch is Government?

Oh, but It's ok to use Government to prosecute their favorite things, like taking away women's rights, racial profiling, or launching a war on lies, or outing a CIA Covert Agent, because her husband proved that the administration was lying us into a war.... /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif The laws in our country are only supposed to be supported when they reflect their twisted views.


<span style='font-size: 17pt'>Do they have any clue of any lawful way to handle our illegal alien population? Nope, they just know that whatever Obama, or the Democratics try to do to solve the problem, or improve on it, it will be wrong, and whatever a Republican Governor does, even if it amounts to infringing on some American's rights, that's A-OK, as long as it suits their own racist agendas.</span>

Abortion, another good example. It is a WOMAN'S RIGHT to control her own body. The Constitution says so. But, the RW misogynists on this site have all but murdered, quatered and hung up to dry, any and every women who has had, or thinks she should have the right to have, an abortion, or that her sisters should have that right, regardless of her circumstances, even if here life is at risk from the pregnancy, or rape is involved, and they applaud people like Angle, who say such disgraceful things..


To me, when you have half of the American population without respect for our Constitution and our laws, it is a dangerous thing, particularly when they can't see that they are being led by a bunch of greedy idiots, like Limpballs, Palin and Beck, who only care about how much money they can stuff into their own pockets by acreaming, crying and ranting 24-7 as they lie and distort facts, all for their own greedy pretenses.

LOL, but these same strict constitutionalists are all for Bush's unconstitutional behavior, for eight damned years!

They hate us because the facts proved thata Bush destroyed the country. Worst legacy ever passed on since Roosevelt took over, according to historians.

AND WE HAVE THE PROOF!

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LWW
07-12-2010, 10:03 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[Typical Eggface statement, and has nothing at all to do with the subject, whether or not they can prove they are legal, has nothing to do with the fact that pulling them over is racial profiling, which is unconstitutional, period!!!

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif </div></div>

And what evidence of this do you have?

What's that?

None?

If you read the bill you would know it expressly prohibits this.

What's that?

You didn't read the bill?

You accepted the spoon fed party line interpretation?

Also ... the bill isn't even in effect yet.

What's that?

You don't want to be bothered by the facts?

Imagine that.

LWW

eg8r
07-12-2010, 11:19 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Typical Eggface statement, and has nothing at all to do with the subject, whether or not they can prove they are legal, has nothing to do with the fact that pulling them over is racial profiling, which is unconstitutional, period!!! </div></div>Sorry granny but it is obvious you never read Az law. It is a shame that you sit behind your ignorance and attack me when you have not even bothered to read the law yourself.

eg8r

eg8r
07-12-2010, 11:20 AM
She has no proof. She sits on her butt being unproductive and throws lies all over the place attacking those who disagree with her lies.

eg8r

pooltchr
07-12-2010, 11:56 AM
Ed,
She is a joke around here, and even elsewhere. Mention her name, and people laugh!

Steve

yaz
07-12-2010, 01:08 PM
First off...calling her "Granny" is an attempt to demean her, which makes the rest of that post read like the obvious misogynistic, ageist post it is intended to be.
AS for your claim.....that people are laughing....can you back that up with some proof? If anybody is a joke, it would be people that try to put others down, not by presenting opposing facts, but with cheap, grammar school insults.
It's an honor, IMO to be a "Grandmother". It represents the best of American ideals....a woman has raised her son or daughter, and passed on a value system and the skills of parenting to them. It's Mom, apple pie, the flag, and the white picket fence, all rolled up in one big package!!.... That would be a best case scenario....but attempting to put Gayle down, just because she is a Grandmother, is just plain...."mean", even AZB-istic
But maybe you prefer your "Grandmother" version to be bereft of any dignity; just some simple minded old lady, incapable of forming any intelligent opinions (like yours!) that you can drop the kids off with, when you want a nite out on the town.

pooltchr
07-12-2010, 03:08 PM
Not that I think you were expecting an answer, but I was in a pool room a couple of weeks ago, and was talking with a player who used to be on the forums. When I mentioned CCB, he asked me if Gayle was still ranting on like a crazy woman (his words, not mine). When I answered that she was still here, he just chuckled.

Now, Jack, you have made a new start. Are you going right back where you were under your old identity, or do you want to start over the right way? You have a choice. I hope you make the right one.

Steve

eg8r
07-12-2010, 03:28 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">First off...calling her "Granny" is an attempt to demean her</div></div>OK, if you can prove to me that she does not do the same thing with all the talk about Bubba and other names she throws around then I will stop stating the truth. Stand up and be man with an honest response. How about all her mention of my weight, I counter with her smokers voice that would make a man throw up if heard in a whisper at that special "moment". Bring it on wolfie, I am willing to be honest and stop doing it if you can prove she does not do her best to demean others here on the board.

To be honest I feel more sorry for the grandkids than I do calling her granny.

eg8r

eg8r
07-12-2010, 03:31 PM
Alright, I just read her post calling Steve a Carolina truck driver in an attempt to demean him as if being a truck driver is less of a person than she is. Your defense of granny is as hypocritical as it gets.

eg8r

yaz
07-12-2010, 03:34 PM
So, you took one person's opinion of Gayle, and then wrote "others"... plural, like it was some kind of consensus, that she is some kind of loony?
Admittedly Gayle might be an "acquired taste" for some, especially since she is so well informed.......AND, and this really irks some here....so outspoken!!! (A few drool over the idea of using a stun gun to silence her)
As to Wolfdancer being banned...whatever he wrote, pales in comparison to the posts that you and lww wrote against him.
She may be a little too opinionated for your tastes, and maybe she disagrees too much with you......but that is called "freedom of speech", the right to express oneself.
If you don't like what she writes....put her on ignore, as she did with you. Getting someone banned for not accepting your preachings?...Is that the American Way?
"The old way?" You mean returning the insults and slurs that you so freely dish out here, or not giving any heed to your political rants?
So you are saying then...that this guy Wolfdancer, if he comes back, should not oppose anything that you write?
It sounds like an internet message board version of "The Stepford Wives"
Having someone challenge one's opinion is healthy, the way I see it...but sound like your idea of a perfect society, to resemble "1984"
We already are half way there, with the Fox News broadcasts

pooltchr
07-12-2010, 04:43 PM
Cut the crap, Jack. We know who you are.

Steve

LWW
07-13-2010, 03:28 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Alright, I just read her post calling Steve a Carolina truck driver in an attempt to demean him as if being a truck driver is less of a person than she is. Your defense of granny is as hypocritical as it gets.

eg8r </div></div>

That is so common of demokook elitists.

They claim to be for the working class, yet demean them at every opportunity.

We can now add blue collar folks to soldiers, minorities, the poor, and the unemployed on the list of people used as nothing but props on the political stage.

Useful when their misery can be used to advance the agenda ... and cast aside as soon as that usefulness has expired.

How callous.

LWW

hondo
07-13-2010, 05:42 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Alright, I just read her post calling Steve a Carolina truck driver in an attempt to demean him as if being a truck driver is less of a person than she is. Your defense of granny is as hypocritical as it gets.

eg8r </div></div>

Perhaps she was just demeaning Carolina truckers and not truckers in general?
I know I don't think much of Jersey and Florida truckers.
They give truckers a bad name.

pooltchr
07-13-2010, 06:33 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Alright, I just read her post calling Steve a Carolina truck driver in an attempt to demean him as if being a truck driver is less of a person than she is. Your defense of granny is as hypocritical as it gets.

eg8r </div></div>

Perhaps she was just demeaning Carolina truckers and not truckers in general?
I know I don't think much of Jersey and Florida truckers.
They give truckers a bad name. </div></div>

Congratulations, Hondo. I nominate this post for consideration as the "lame post of the month" award.

Think about it. Even you can do better than that!

Steve

LWW
07-13-2010, 07:03 AM
Actually ... I don't think he can.

LWW

eg8r
07-13-2010, 08:53 AM
I think he was shooting for a little humor. In doing so I believe he was in agreement with my point.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
07-13-2010, 09:57 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">First off...calling her "Granny" is an attempt to demean her</div></div>OK, if you can prove to me that she does not do the same thing with all the talk about Bubba and other names she throws around then I will stop stating the truth. Stand up and be man with an honest response. How about all her mention of my weight, I counter with her smokers voice that would make a man throw up if heard in a whisper at that special "moment". Bring it on wolfie, I am willing to be honest and stop doing it if you can prove she does not do her best to demean others here on the board.

To be honest I feel more sorry for the grandkids than I do calling her granny.

eg8r </div></div>

Well, well, well, I was informed that I should read this post of yours, Ed.

You are a liar. You attacked me for YEARS on this forum, insult after insult, before i ever made ANY return to you in kind.

Your posts are consistantly of a mean, insulting, even vulger nature.

As for my voice???? I don't smoke! I do have to take estrogen blockers for five years, and after the first year, there was a noticable deepening of my voice.

I am alive, thanks to those pills, however, and actually many men find my voice sexy, or so they tell me.

Nothing is too low for your nastiness, nd vulgarity, however. and you insulted my entire life, with everything you chose to make up in your twisted mind, for years, before I found out about your weight issues, which you have probably reverted back to, since your disposition has worsened of late.

You intrude on my every thread, with your usual childish insults.

As for the Trucker comment, I hardly think driving a truck, is the same thing as climb ing the corporate ladder.

Neither you, nor Steve, has anything but hatred boiling for me, and hence, you continue with your disgusting attacks, and then you get angry when I put you on ignore.

GFY! I know plenty about both of you....none of it impressive, at all.

G.

eg8r
07-13-2010, 10:17 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well, well, well, I was informed that I should read this post of yours, Ed.</div></div>Well well well, I hope that you forward the email or PM to wolfie so he will respond.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You are a liar. You attacked me for YEARS on this forum, insult after insult, before i ever made ANY return to you in kind.</div></div>Strawman argument. I said nothing of who started or when it started. Now please pull out the part that is a lie. I stated you make demeaning posts like calling people bubba or referring to their weight. Have you done so or not? Don't continue the lies and fess up.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I do have to take estrogen blockers for five years, and after the first year, there was a noticable deepening of my voice.</div></div>Strange side effect for a female hormone to "deepen" a voice. I was referring to the scratchy part that sounds like a voice of someone who has abusively smoked. Maybe there is just estrogen in the cigarettes all those people smoke. Also, quit telling us you don't smoke, I never said you did.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am alive, thanks to those pills, however, and actually many men find my voice sexy, or so they tell me.</div></div>Yes and many 6 foot tall 100 lb men find 5 foot tall 300 lb women sexy. Scary isn't it?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nothing is too low for your nastiness, nd vulgarity, however.</div></div>Kind of like the acronym you chose to use at the end of your post?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">and you insulted my entire life, with everything you chose to make up in your twisted mind, for years, before I found out about your weight issues, which you have probably reverted back to, since your disposition has worsened of late.</div></div>Any examples or is this just another lie you choose to make up and not support? As for you just finding out about weight issues. I never really thought there was one but pictures of me have been on the board for many years.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As for the Trucker comment, I hardly think driving a truck, is the same thing as climb ing the corporate ladder.</div></div>What you think is irrelavent. Your posts are demeaning which is the point of these posts.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Neither you, nor Steve, has anything but hatred boiling for me</div></div>Quite ridiculous considering I am one of only 2 or 3 that defended you against the mod and posted in favor of removing your ban and allowing you to come back. Hardly any hate there. In opposition to your actions on this board, I believe in the right to free speech. I wish you agreed.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">GFY! I know plenty about both of you....none of it impressive, at all.
</div></div>Vulgarity?

eg8r

pooltchr
07-13-2010, 10:39 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[

As for the Trucker comment, I hardly think driving a truck, is the same thing as climb ing the corporate ladder.


G. </div></div>

Your ignorance is showing again. I spent several years in upper management with that "trucking company", which happens to be one of the most highly regarded companies in the country, and was regularly listed as one of the top companies for females to work....but all of your so called ideals go out the window when it comes to your elitist attitude.

You think you are so freaking special, when in truth, the only time special could be applied to you would be when discussing mental development.

You act like a snot nosed little brat around here, and then whine and cry when anyone calls you out.

Bottom line, you are nothing but a snob.

Steve

Gayle in MD
07-13-2010, 11:00 AM
lOl, why not tell us how many years you spent driving a truck! Mr. Trump! LMAO!

I enjoy being a snot nosed snob. Maybe one dayy you can work yourself the rest of the way up that corporate truck driver's ladder, and then you can be a snob too, Bubba.

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Gayle in MD
07-13-2010, 11:05 AM
Fine, ed. You don't want to admit that you attacked and insulted me for years before I ever gave it back in spades.

I know what I did, and didn't do.

You have shown your nastiness, and I have shown my preference to avoid nastiness.

I will now return you to ingnore, after which, YOU will continue your vicious lies and attacks. So which of us is hooked on nastiness?

I have suggested we ignore one another, you refuse, hence you are the one who pushes for continued mutual insults, and yes, after you bash and bash and bash, and viciously insult me, over and over, I do finally throw it right back at you, but if we were to count your vicious posts to me, or Steve's or LWW'S you'd all have thousands more than I would have written in return.

Bye.

eg8r
07-13-2010, 11:14 AM
So you somehow still disagree that your posts are demeaning? I mean now you demeaning all those low to middle income people that are trying to work their way up the ladder into management? Not everyone gets the silver spoon like you.

eg8r

eg8r
07-13-2010, 11:16 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Fine, ed. You don't want to admit that you attacked and insulted me for years before I ever gave it back in spades.

I know what I did, and didn't do. </div></div>Fine gayle. You don't want to admit you are struggling with subject comprehension. I know what you did also and I have made it plain as day. I was hoping wolfie would respond but I guess his new identity was banned also. It is funny when you have no where to go and your lies hold no ground you just get pissy and go hide.

eg8r

pooltchr
07-13-2010, 11:17 AM
Ed, she is like a little kid who puts her fingers in her ears when someone says something she doesn't like. Her little game when she runs up against anyone who challenges her, whe she sees she can't defend her position, is to offer the old "mutual ignore" option. The idea is that if she gets everyone she disagrees with to quit posting, there will be nobody left to point out the error of her ways.

Steve

eg8r
07-13-2010, 11:19 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">and yes, after you bash and bash and bash, and viciously insult me, over and over, I do finally throw it right back at you,</div></div>Phew, I bet that took gnashing of teeth to get you to admit to your wrong-doing. Now please let wolfie know he does not need to defend you when you are out there doing the exact same thing to others. That was the point here but your comprehension levels and ability to correctly identify the subject and respond accordingly without adding strawmen arguments is degrading profusely.

eg8r

hondo
07-13-2010, 11:20 AM
Poor ole Steve. Couldn't recognize humor if it smacked him upside his pumpkin head.
You take anal retentive to the nth degree.
Ever notice all your friends laughing while you're just scratching your head?

hondo
07-13-2010, 11:21 AM
Praise God, you are smarter than Steve and Larry.

hondo
07-13-2010, 11:25 AM
Steve, tha anal retentive corporate trucker pool tchr.
You are a man of many hats. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smirk.gif

pooltchr
07-13-2010, 12:37 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Steve, tha anal retentive corporate trucker pool tchr.
You are a man of many hats. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smirk.gif </div></div>

Hondo. thank you for that thoughtful comment. I'm sure you came up with it while you were in your Sunday School class this weekend.

Here's a fact for you to chew on. God didn't give me enough middle fingers to tell you what I really think about you!

Steve

hondo
07-13-2010, 12:44 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Steve, tha anal retentive corporate trucker pool tchr.
You are a man of many hats. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smirk.gif </div></div>

Hondo. thank you for that thoughtful comment. I'm sure you came up with it while you were in your Sunday School class this weekend.

Here's a fact for you to chew on. God didn't give me enough middle fingers to tell you what I really think about you!

Steve </div></div>

Calm down, Steve.
It just gets silly when Eg, who's not exactly a barrel of
laughs, has to point out sarcasm to you, because you and Larry are so uptight you can't see it.
If you're not classic anal retentive , I don't know who is.

pooltchr
07-13-2010, 12:47 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Steve, tha anal retentive corporate trucker pool tchr.
You are a man of many hats. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smirk.gif </div></div>

Hondo. thank you for that thoughtful comment. I'm sure you came up with it while you were in your Sunday School class this weekend.

Here's a fact for you to chew on. God didn't give me enough middle fingers to tell you what I really think about you!

Steve </div></div>

Calm down, Steve.
It just gets silly when Eg, who's not exactly a barrel of
laughs, has to point out sarcasm to you, because you and Larry are so uptight you can't see it.
If you're not classic anal retentive , I don't know who is. </div></div>

Your last post wasn't sarcasm...it was just another of your childish attacks.

KMA

Steve

eg8r
07-13-2010, 02:09 PM
You don't find me to be funny? You might need to loosen up.

eg8r

hondo
07-13-2010, 09:10 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You don't find me to be funny? You might need to loosen up.

eg8r </div></div>

Eg, compared to Steve and Larry, you have a marvelous sense of humor.

hondo
07-13-2010, 09:12 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Steve, tha anal retentive corporate trucker pool tchr.
You are a man of many hats. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smirk.gif </div></div>

Hondo. thank you for that thoughtful comment. I'm sure you came up with it while you were in your Sunday School class this weekend.

Here's a fact for you to chew on. God didn't give me enough middle fingers to tell you what I really think about you!

Steve </div></div>

Calm down, Steve.
It just gets silly when Eg, who's not exactly a barrel of
laughs, has to point out sarcasm to you, because you and Larry are so uptight you can't see it.
If you're not classic anal retentive , I don't know who is. </div></div>

Your last post wasn't sarcasm...it was just another of your childish attacks.

KMA

Steve </div></div>

Poor Steve, can't even figure out what post I was talking about.
You and Larry are the goofiest act on the Net.

pooltchr
07-13-2010, 10:49 PM
Hondo, I'm sorry that your posts just aren't all the memorable....and I'm sure not going to suffer through going back and reading them a second time.

The fact of the matter is, nothing you have to say is all that significant. I hate to be the one to burst your bubble.

Steve

LWW
07-14-2010, 02:07 AM
He merely wants attention.

LWW

ghdfans2010
07-14-2010, 03:20 AM
In some sense, I like Bill Clinton so much!
http://www.cheap-ghd.org/images/funny/GHD_Hair_Straighteners_107.jpg

hondo
07-14-2010, 05:46 AM
Steve, as long as you continue to respond to EVERY SINGLE
ONE of my posts, I'll just have to suffer through you not
thinking they're very memorable. LMFAO!
You're almost too easy sometimes. It hardly seems fair. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

hondo
07-14-2010, 05:50 AM
You and your sidekick ought to take your dog and pony show
on the road. Larry and his life-size dummy.
You could call yourselves " Pete and Re-Pete."
Oh, I forgot. You never leave the house.

hondo
07-14-2010, 05:54 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ghdfans2010</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In some sense, I like Bill Clinton so much!
http://www.cheap-ghd.org/images/funny/GHD_Hair_Straighteners_107.jpg </div></div>

LOL! Good post. Looking somewhat true. I'd buy one of your products but I don't have any hair.

BTW, welcome.

pooltchr
07-14-2010, 07:28 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Steve, as long as you continue to respond to EVERY SINGLE
ONE of my posts, I'll just have to suffer through you not
thinking they're very memorable. LMFAO!
You're almost too easy sometimes. It hardly seems fair. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif </div></div>

Hondo, if it makes you feel better to tell yourself you outsmarted me, by all means...go ahead and feed your ego. After all, I've been told I'm nothing but an ignorant southern bubba truck driver, pool teacher, which apparently makes me less than all liberals.


Is that how it works for all of you? The only way to improve your lot in life is to try and pigeonhole everyone else somewhere beneath you?

Steve

LWW
07-14-2010, 08:35 AM
Steve ... if you knew his life story as well as I do you would understand his enormous sense of insecurity.

LWW

hondo
07-14-2010, 09:52 PM
Oh, quit whining.
They accuse me of whining. You're much worse.

hondo
07-14-2010, 09:55 PM
I'm not insecure! What makes you think I'm insecure?
Do you think I'm insecure? No, really. Tell me.
What have I done? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/eek.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/cry.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/shocked.gif

hondo
07-14-2010, 10:23 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Steve ... if you knew his life story as well as I do you would understand his enormous sense of insecurity.

LWW </div></div>

If you knew Susie like I knew Susie, oh, oh, oh, what a gal!

pooltchr
07-15-2010, 07:16 AM
Hondo's newest attempt to elevate his status around here is to post 5 or 6 replies in quick succession to a thread. Since he can't score any points with quality, he's going for quantity.

Steve

LWW
07-15-2010, 07:26 AM
I am no longer enabling his addiction.

LWW

hondo
07-15-2010, 08:00 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hondo's newest attempt to elevate his status around here is to post 5 or 6 replies in quick succession to a thread. Since he can't score any points with quality, he's going for quantity.

Steve </div></div>

Steve, I'm going to give you a break and cease from trading insults with you for a while.
I figure your bung hole has to be awfully sore.

hondo
07-15-2010, 08:00 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am no longer enabling his addiction.

LWW </div></div>

LOL! You just did, silly man.

pooltchr
07-15-2010, 08:04 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I figure your bung hole has to be awfully sore. </div></div>

Why would this be of interest to you? Have you been checking it out? Spending a lot if time back there?

You have set a brand new low standard for you and your friends to strive for.

Steve

hondo
07-15-2010, 08:20 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I figure your bung hole has to be awfully sore. </div></div>

Why would this be of interest to you? Have you been checking it out? Spending a lot if time back there?



Steve </div></div>

What makes you say that? Have you been standing around with
it spread open? You silly , silly boy!

But, you are right. Out of line. I apologize.

Gayle in MD
07-15-2010, 09:20 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I figure your bung hole has to be awfully sore. </div></div>

Why would this be of interest to you? Have you been checking it out? Spending a lot if time back there?

You have set a brand new low standard for you and your friends to strive for.

Steve </div></div>

<span style="color: #FF0000">He counld't see it no matter how close he got to it, your head would be in the way. </span>

pooltchr
07-15-2010, 10:40 AM
Stop stalking my posts, or I will have you banned!

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Steve

Stretch
07-15-2010, 01:44 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hondo's newest attempt to elevate his status around here is to post 5 or 6 replies in quick succession to a thread. Since he can't score any points with quality, he's going for quantity.

Steve </div></div>

Sorry, Larry OWNES that title. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif St.