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hondo
07-16-2010, 05:16 PM
Dear LWW, as a proud black man, I am curious about which side you are taking in this feud.

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Fri Jul 16, 1:53 pm ET
War of words between NAACP, tea party escalates
By Liz Goodwin

The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) and the tea party have hurled accusations of racism at each other all week, sparking off a media frenzy that has made it difficult at times to keep track of the debate.

Yesterday, the fight took a pretty bizarre turn: Tea Party Express leader Mark Williams posted an imaginary letter to President Abraham Lincoln on his personal website that accused the NAACP of being racist for using the word "colored" in its name.

This afternoon, Williams removed the post, saying it's time to "move forward" and end the name calling. He said he "heard from many very sober and thoughtful people who counseled me that my comments were an obstacle to progress and that I missed my intended target. "


Williams, who claimed this week that the NAACP makes "more money off of race than any slave trader, ever," was reacting to the group's approval of a resolution at its annual meeting on Tuesday that denounced "racist elements" within the tea party movement. By removing it, he signals that the tea party-NAACP fight may finally be over.

[Photos: Tea Party’s new star politician]

But let's take a step back. How did we get to this point? Here is The Upshot's chronological guide to the NAACP-tea party spat:

1. On Tuesday, the NAACP approved its resolution accusing tea party activists of tolerating racist elements in their movement. "For more than a year we've watched as Tea Party members have called congressmen the N-word, have called congressmen the F-word. We see them carry racist signs and whenever it happens, the membership tries to shirk responsibility," NAACP President Ben Jealous (pictured above) told ABC News. "If the Tea Party wants to be respected and wants to be part of the mainstream in this country, they have to take responsibility."

The resolution was spurred by an incident in March, when Reps. John Lewis, Andre Carson and Emanuel Cleaver said some tea party demonstrators yelled racial slurs at them as they walked to the Capitol for the final vote approving the controversial health-care-reform legislation. Cleaver said he was spat on. Conservative activists accused the congressmen of lying.

2. Tea Party activists quickly shot back, calling the NAACP racist and irrelevant. "It's a little ironic that an organization that has lost legitimacy through its own racism is trying to call another racist," Mark Meckler of Tea Party Patriots told the L.A. Times.

Tea Party Express' Williams went farther in an interview with NPR flagged by Talking Points Memo. "We are dealing with people who are professional race-baiters who make a very good living off this kind of thing. They make more money off of race than any slave trader, ever," he said. "It's time groups like the NAACP went to the trash heap of history where they belong along with all the other vile, racist groups that emerged in our history." On CNN, he called the group "a bunch of old fossils looking to make a buck off skin color."

Dallas Tea Party founder Phillip Dennis said on FOX that the NAACP is "irrelevant" and should have ended 50 years ago. Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele said the NAACP should stop "name calling."

3. Many condemned the tea party's attack on the civil rights group as wrong-headed.

"That's the epitome of what a Tea Party patriot should not be saying," political commenter Lenny McAllister said on NPR. "They should not be saying that the NAACP is vile. The NAACP is not vile. They fought for civil rights for all types of people for years, even if they're misguided now, to use that type of language is not only inappropriate, but it does a disservice to the proud hundreds of thousands of Tea Party patriots."

Jamelle Bouie at the American Prospect wrote that the tea party's defense is based on the notion that racism only arises out of overt acts of prejudice, like racially motivated acts of violence and state-sanctioned segregation. "Now that outright racism is a rarity in the public square, it's really easy for many Americans to say that 'real racism' is a relic of the past," he said. He argued that more subtle racism is still prevalent, and a problem.

Ta-Nahesi Coates at The Atlantic wrote that the NAACP was just fulfilling its stated mission to oppose "any attempt to inject racism into American politics. " He writes the NAACP was rationally responding to several worrisome statements from tea-party-affiliated politicians and media figures.

4. Williams escalated the debate on Thursday by posting a satirical letter, under the name of NAACP President Ben Jealous to Abraham Lincoln. Among other things, the missive mocked the organization for using the term "colored." "In every one of the dozens of interviews that I have done regarding the anti-Tea Party resolution passed by the NAACP, I have brought up the absurdity of a group that calls blacks “Colored People” hurling charges of racism," he wrote before posting the letter, which is no longer available on his site:


Dear Mr. Lincoln


We [National Association for the Advancement of] Colored People have taken a vote and decided that we don’t cotton to that whole emancipation thing. Freedom means having to work for real, think for ourselves, and take consequences along with the rewards. That is just far too much to ask of us [National Association for the Advancement of] Colored People and we demand that it stop!

Williams pulled it down earlier this afternoon — after he'd encountered some objections in the post's comments section. He'd previously excised some sections of the original post that had sparked reader protests, including use of the term "massa" and a reference to black supporters of the civil rights group being reluctant to work in order to pay for "a wide screen TV in every room."

In explaining the decision to remove the letter, Williams wrote that because the NAACP said today that it wants to open a dialogue with the tea party, it's time for him to move on. "To that end and as a reciprocal gesture I have removed the parody letter you came here to read and urge you to fight those who seek to divide us by race, no matter the color of the racist," he wrote.

The trick now, evidently, is for participants in the new NAACP-tea party dialogue to refrain from calling each other

LWW
07-16-2010, 08:38 PM
The NAACP has not represented the best interests of black Americans for at least the last 30 years.

This recent example of their vicious lies about the tea party while giving the NBPP a pass has relegated them to the back bench with the race pimps such as Jesse Jackson, Louis Farrakhan, Jeremiah Wright, and Al Sharpton.

Their actions are racially divisive and are racially divisive with malice and forethought.

They have proven the group to be one which profits from racial strife and one that will do whatever it can to prevent true racial harmony and true racial justice from happening.

LWW

sack316
07-16-2010, 08:52 PM
Good call there. If true racial equality came to be, and racism itself (or, at least the appearance of/ something to accuse of being racist) were gone... well then there'd be no need for NAACP would there? Seems it's in their best interest to do exactly what they have done in recent years.

Now, as far as true racism... I have too much to catch up on here to look now... but surely there's a thread from someone showing the other side... such as Samir Shabazz of the New Black Panthers saying "I hate white people, all of them. Every last iota of a cracker I hate it" and "You want freedom? You gonna have to kill some crackers. You going to have to kill some of their babies"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLWmo2kCa...next=1&index=44 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLWmo2kCa8o&feature=PlayList&p=CC9DFD5C0AB0D1B5&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=44)

Sack

LWW
07-16-2010, 10:14 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Dear LWW, as a proud black man, I am curious about which side you are taking in this feud.
</div></div>

BTW ... please cease and desist with the lies.

I have never represented myself as black. I have stated that I am mostly white with some Ameican Indian blood plus more negro former slave blood in my veins than Barack Hussein Obama.

That makes me tri-racial and I identify myself as a native American since that is the land of my birth.

LWW

hondo
07-17-2010, 06:47 AM
So, you're siding with the tea partiers? I'm not surprised.

hondo
07-17-2010, 06:49 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Dear LWW, as a proud black man, I am curious about which side you are taking in this feud.
</div></div>

BTW ... please cease and desist with the lies.

I have never represented myself as black. I have stated that I am mostly white with some Ameican Indian blood plus more negro former slave blood in my veins than Barack Hussein Obama.

That makes me tri-racial and I identify myself as a native American since that is the land of my birth.

LWW </div></div>

If you had told me long ago that you were ashamed of being black, I would have stopped by now. Sorry.
It is convenient that you only bring it up when you are charging me with racism.

hondo
07-17-2010, 06:52 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Dear LWW, as a proud black man, I am curious about which side you are taking in this feud.
</div></div>

BTW ... please cease and desist with the lies.

I have never represented myself as black. I have stated that I am mostly white with some Ameican Indian blood plus more negro former slave blood in my veins than Barack Hussein Obama.

That makes me tri-racial and I identify myself as a native American since that is the land of my birth.

LWW </div></div>

"Tri-racial"? I had an old girl friend who was tri-sexual.
She'd try anything.

pooltchr
07-17-2010, 07:23 AM
[quote=hondo
"Tri-racial"? I had an old girl friend who was tri-sexual.
She'd try anything. [/quote]

We really don't need to hear about your past history with goats and sheep!

Steve

LWW
07-17-2010, 07:29 AM
In fairness, he has only claimed that animals under 40 pounds were acceptable ... and before he claims to have been victimized, that was his claim in the "AN AMERICAN AFGHANISTAN" thread.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It is legal for a male to have sex with an animal as long as it does not exceed 40 lbs.

Just good common sense there.</div></div>

I think that one deserves to live forever.

LWW </div></div>

Yep. That's a keeper.
We don't want to lose that law.</div></div>

LWW

hondo
07-17-2010, 09:04 PM
It's all about the hate with you and Larry, isn't it?
I feel sorry for you guys.

What a sad, juvenile response, Steve.
How old did you say you were?

hondo
07-17-2010, 09:07 PM
You kids are funny.

LOL! A 54 year old tri-racial quipper. HBO awaits.

Actually, I coud see you and Steve as the next Edger Bergen
and Mortimer Snerd.

pooltchr
07-18-2010, 06:12 AM
Run, Forest, Run!!!!!


Steve

LWW
07-18-2010, 06:15 AM
Ask H what his definition of "ANYPLACE ANYTIME" turned out to be.

LWW

hondo
07-18-2010, 09:16 AM
I'll answer that. LWW told me that he had been to the Midtown Lounge.
He said it was a really nice place with good food and that
he had had a long conversation with Sam Lecharia, the owner.

So, I suggested the Midtown Lounge.
He then said I was trying to trap him into going into some
seedy little redneck joint where all my racist friends
would be waiting to sodomize him.

He will deny this but I swear it's true.

I did mention a little redneck bar in my town once where everyone in there was saying the same things lotter is saying now about Obama.

The Midtown Lounge is a quiet little poolrom in Clarksburg.
Which Larry would know if he had really been there.
Also, assured him that it was NOT the Midtown where I heard the racist remarks, but, of course, Larry pretended like it was.

Truth vs. truthyness.

Larry has no interest in meeting me.

LWW
07-18-2010, 09:54 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Run, Forest, Run!!!!!


Steve </div></div>

He's harmless.

Annoyingly funny, but harmless.

LWW

Qtec
07-18-2010, 07:08 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You kids are funny. </div></div>

I would substitute 'funny' for 'stupid'.

All the NAACP did was call on the TP to renounce the obvious racist elements in its midst, that's all. The come back, the proof that "there are no racists in the TP" was exemplified by the fake letter. LOL

Q

hondo
07-18-2010, 09:20 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'll answer that. LWW told me that he had been to the Midtown Lounge.
He said it was a really nice place with good food and that
he had had a long conversation with Sam Lecharia, the owner.

So, I suggested the Midtown Lounge.
He then said I was trying to trap him into going into some
seedy little redneck joint where all my racist friends
would be waiting to sodomize him.

He will deny this but I swear it's true.

I did mention a little redneck bar in my town once where everyone in there was saying the same things lotter is saying now about Obama.

The Midtown Lounge is a quiet little poolrom in Clarksburg.
Which Larry would know if he had really been there.
Also, assured him that it was NOT the Midtown where I heard the racist remarks, but, of course, Larry pretended like it was.

Truth vs. truthyness.

Larry has no interest in meeting me. </div></div>

I don't blame you, Larry. Not much to respond to without
sticking your foot further in your mouth, is there?

hondo
07-19-2010, 05:33 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'll answer that. LWW told me that he had been to the Midtown Lounge.
He said it was a really nice place with good food and that
he had had a long conversation with Sam Lecharia, the owner.

So, I suggested the Midtown Lounge.
He then said I was trying to trap him into going into some
seedy little redneck joint where all my racist friends
would be waiting to sodomize him.

He will deny this but I swear it's true.

I did mention a little redneck bar in my town once where everyone in there was saying the same things lotter is saying now about Obama.

The Midtown Lounge is a quiet little poolrom in Clarksburg.
Which Larry would know if he had really been there.
Also, assured him that it was NOT the Midtown where I heard the racist remarks, but, of course, Larry pretended like it was.

Truth vs. truthyness.

Larry has no interest in meeting me. </div></div>

Bump for Larry.

hondo
07-21-2010, 06:15 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'll answer that. LWW told me that he had been to the Midtown Lounge.
He said it was a really nice place with good food and that
he had had a long conversation with Sam Lecharia, the owner.

So, I suggested the Midtown Lounge.
He then said I was trying to trap him into going into some
seedy little redneck joint where all my racist friends
would be waiting to sodomize him.

He will deny this but I swear it's true.

I did mention a little redneck bar in my town once where everyone in there was saying the same things lotter is saying now about Obama.

The Midtown Lounge is a quiet little poolrom in Clarksburg.
Which Larry would know if he had really been there.
Also, assured him that it was NOT the Midtown where I heard the racist remarks, but, of course, Larry pretended like it was.

Truth vs. truthyness.

Larry has no interest in meeting me. </div></div>

It's interesting to note how many threads have ended with Hondo calling LWW on his jive and Larry running.

Trust me, hoss, everybody but Steve and Sev notice that trend.

I do admire you in a way. You remind me of those white( sorry)
heavyweights in the 60s and 70s who kept taking shot after shot, getting busted up and knocked all over the ring, yet refused to throw in the towel.
You just run out of the ring and then pop up for the next fight
pretending like you didn't take a beating. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

You go, guy.

hondo
07-21-2010, 04:30 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'll answer that. LWW told me that he had been to the Midtown Lounge.
He said it was a really nice place with good food and that
he had had a long conversation with Sam Lecharia, the owner.

So, I suggested the Midtown Lounge.
He then said I was trying to trap him into going into some
seedy little redneck joint where all my racist friends
would be waiting to sodomize him.

He will deny this but I swear it's true.

I did mention a little redneck bar in my town once where everyone in there was saying the same things lotter is saying now about Obama.

The Midtown Lounge is a quiet little poolrom in Clarksburg.
Which Larry would know if he had really been there.
Also, assured him that it was NOT the Midtown where I heard the racist remarks, but, of course, Larry pretended like it was.

Truth vs. truthyness.

Larry has no interest in meeting me. </div></div>

It's interesting to note how many threads have ended with Hondo calling LWW on his jive and Larry running.

Trust me, hoss, everybody but Steve and Sev notice that trend.

I do admire you in a way. You remind me of those white( sorry)
heavyweights in the 60s and 70s who kept taking shot after shot, getting busted up and knocked all over the ring, yet refused to throw in the towel.
You just run out of the ring and then pop up for the next fight
pretending like you didn't take a beating. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

You go, guy. </div></div>

BUMP.

hondo
07-22-2010, 06:16 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'll answer that. LWW told me that he had been to the Midtown Lounge.
He said it was a really nice place with good food and that
he had had a long conversation with Sam Lecharia, the owner.

So, I suggested the Midtown Lounge.
He then said I was trying to trap him into going into some
seedy little redneck joint where all my racist friends
would be waiting to sodomize him.

He will deny this but I swear it's true.

I did mention a little redneck bar in my town once where everyone in there was saying the same things lotter is saying now about Obama.

The Midtown Lounge is a quiet little poolrom in Clarksburg.
Which Larry would know if he had really been there.
Also, assured him that it was NOT the Midtown where I heard the racist remarks, but, of course, Larry pretended like it was.

Truth vs. truthyness.

Larry has no interest in meeting me. </div></div>

It's interesting to note how many threads have ended with Hondo calling LWW on his jive and Larry running.

Trust me, hoss, everybody but Steve and Sev notice that trend.

I do admire you in a way. You remind me of those white( sorry)
heavyweights in the 60s and 70s who kept taking shot after shot, getting busted up and knocked all over the ring, yet refused to throw in the towel.
You just run out of the ring and then pop up for the next fight
pretending like you didn't take a beating. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

You go, guy. </div></div>

BUMP. </div></div>

BUMPITY BUMP

pooltchr
07-22-2010, 06:30 AM
when a thread deteriorates to a certain point, you should not be surprised that nobody bothers to respond to your comments any longer. Bumping a thread simply points out that everyone is ignoring you.

Steve

hondo
07-22-2010, 06:02 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">when a thread deteriorates to a certain point, you should not be surprised that nobody bothers to respond to your comments any longer. Bumping a thread simply points out that everyone is ignoring you.

Steve </div></div>
So that's why you think he is ignoring the post?
I bet your favorite novel was Gullible's Travels.
He is ignoring the post because he's been made to look foolish and he's praying this goes away.
Quit being such a suck-up for Larry all the time and let him respond when challenged.
You should be embarrassed for him instead of kissing his behind over and over again.

You embarrass me sometimes. SHEESH!

hondo
07-25-2010, 09:35 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'll answer that. LWW told me that he had been to the Midtown Lounge.
He said it was a really nice place with good food and that
he had had a long conversation with Sam Lecharia, the owner.

So, I suggested the Midtown Lounge.
He then said I was trying to trap him into going into some
seedy little redneck joint where all my racist friends
would be waiting to sodomize him.

He will deny this but I swear it's true.

I did mention a little redneck bar in my town once where everyone in there was saying the same things lotter is saying now about Obama.

The Midtown Lounge is a quiet little poolrom in Clarksburg.
Which Larry would know if he had really been there.
Also, assured him that it was NOT the Midtown where I heard the racist remarks, but, of course, Larry pretended like it was.

Truth vs. truthyness.

Larry has no interest in meeting me. </div></div>

Bump for Larry. </div></div>

Bump.