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Qtec
07-30-2010, 04:59 AM
tap tap tap (http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/node/38687)

I love this guy. Calling them out is what the Dems should do every day.

We all know where they stand,

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">House Republican leadership is advising its members to vote against a bipartisan bill that would, among other things, bolster medical support to Sept. 11 victims.

The James Zadroga 9/11 Health and Compensation Act of 2009, sponsored by Rep. Carolyn Maloney (D-N.Y.), would provide medical monitoring to those exposed to toxins at ground zero, bolster treatment at specialized centers for those afflicted by toxins on Sept. 11 and reopen a compensation fund to provide for the economic loss of victims.

And itís all paid for by closing a tax loophole on foreign companies with U.S. subsidiaries, Democrats said.

But according to Republicans, itís a job-killing growth of government that would create a new entitlement and waste taxpayer dollars. </div></div>

The Truth will out.

GOP = Scumbags.

First spemding had to be offset, now when it is paid for, its something else............ and in the end, no matter how much the Ddems compromise, they still vote no.!

How MORE unpatriotic can you get than denying the 9/11 rescuers health coverage?



Q

Qtec
07-30-2010, 05:15 AM
This just<span style='font-size: 17pt'> real proof </span>that the GOP are intent in bringing down the POTUS no matter what.
They are so desperate they will bring Govt to a halt, let millions suffer just to win a few seats.

Shame on them.........and this is the GOD Party?

Q

LWW
07-30-2010, 05:38 AM
Got a link to the bill?

LWW

pooltchr
07-30-2010, 05:50 AM
The 9/11 tragedy was certainly a terrible event, brought about by the actions of a group of foreign terrorists. And my heart goes out to anyone who suffered as a result of that event.

However, I have to wonder why you would think it is the taxpayer's responsibility to provide medical care to them.

I am exposed to toxins in the air every time I drive down the highway. If I develop health problems because of exhaust fumes, is the government responsible for my healthcare?

If a terrorist blows up an airliner, are the families of the victims entitled to anything from the government?

If a terrorist blows up a car bomb in times square, should the taxpayers be responsible for taking care of the victims of the explosion?

Yes, the 9/11 victims deserve to be compensated....but by those responsible for the attack, not the government/taxpayers. We are in Afghanistan, fighting a war with the group that planned the attack, trying to kill them. If we really want justice, we should be seizing their assets, draining their bank accounts, and using that money to compensate the victims. That is justice!

Steve

Qtec
07-30-2010, 06:30 AM
Eh NO!

Start here. link (http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0710/House_GOP_leaders_911_first_responders_aid_bill_a_ massive_new_entitlement_program.html)

Q......or here lots of links (http://www.google.nl/search?q=9%2F11+Health+and+Compensation+Act+of+200 9%2C&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:nl:official&client=firefox-a)

link (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2010/07/29/2010-07-29_congress_rejects_zadroga_911_health_and_compens ation_act_as_gop_members_balk_at_.html)

As usual, you miss the point.

LWW
07-30-2010, 06:44 AM
It's a shame you don't read your own links:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 17pt'>Democrats would have been able to pass the bill if they used the normal procedure, but they brought it up as a "suspension bill," which needs a two-thirds vote to pass because it can't be amended.</span> ...

The procedural move infuriated the few Republicans who voted yes, with Rep. Pete King (R-L.I.) calling it "a cruel hoax and a charade," suggesting <span style='font-size: 14pt'>Democrats want to use the failure to hammer the GOP in November. "This bill should be more important than a campaign talking point,"</span> he fumed. ...

<span style='font-size: 26pt'>"The 255 votes in favor of the Zadroga Act tonight show that we can and should pass this bill under normal rules when Congress reconvenes," said Rep. Carolyn Maloney.</span>

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics...l#ixzz0vAWkjcH6 (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2010/07/29/2010-07-29_congress_rejects_zadroga_911_health_and_compens ation_act_as_gop_members_balk_at_.html#ixzz0vAWkjc H6) </div></div>


Bottom line ... they played the bill in a manner that guaranteed defeat even though they in fact had the votes to pass the bill, and you were played like Perlman plays a Strad.

<span style='font-size: 26pt'>HOW DARE THEY PLAY SUCH POLITICAL GAMES!!! WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE??? HAVE THEY NO HONOR???</span>

LWW &lt;--- Slaying leftist mythology by simply seeking the truth.

Qtec
07-30-2010, 06:51 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Bottom line ...</div></div>

Cut the crap. The GOP have been stalling on the premise that eveything should be paid for. This spending is paid for and they are still against it...............HC for 9/11 responders.....lets wait....

Slime is what they are.

Q

LWW
07-30-2010, 06:57 AM
There is no crap. I simply gave you the facts ... the pill needed 218 votes to pass in a normal fashion.

The dems took the bill through a different procedure causing it to require 283 votes to pass. It actually received 255 votes.

If they wanted the bill to pass it would have. In fact I suspect that had it went through the normal process it still would have failed. This process allowed the entire demokook block to vote for something with full knowledge it had no chance at passage.

You were played ... deal with it.

LWW

eg8r
07-30-2010, 07:29 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Cut the crap.</div></div>Take your own advice hypocrite. You were just proved to be foolish and self-serving just like the idiots you are intending to defend. It is quite funny to see the Dem responsible for the bill is in agreement with the Reps.

eg8r

Sid_Vicious
07-30-2010, 10:01 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This just<span style='font-size: 17pt'> real proof </span>that the GOP are intent in bringing down the POTUS no matter what.
They are so desperate they will bring Govt to a halt, let millions suffer just to win a few seats.

Shame on them.........and this is the GOD Party?

Q</div></div>

"Shame on them.........and this is the GOD Party?"

Their God must be a different God than mine. That's probably the worst problem Christianity has today. People redesign God for their purpose, which has multiple effects. It supports Satan's effort. It deters many new people from even thinking about becoming Christians. The fundamental of "being like Christ" apparently isn't in this party's copy of the Bible they are reading. Goofiest damned part though is that a lot of non political based Christians don't spend enough energy to become active and contest these issues, by openly siding AWAY from them. Something tells me that God doesn't like idle actions, and being passive is a sin of it's own. To go along with these nuts calling themselves Christians, is the same thing as being a hand of Satan. All in all, it really has genuine Christian believers being discounted more and more by each one of these atrocities against being Christ-like. Shame is the best word for those taking God as their anchor, who then USE that religion to aid themselves, at the expense to humanity. sid

LWW
07-30-2010, 01:24 PM
So please answer why the democrats didn't have this bill passed?

They had the votes to pass it ... assuming the votes aren't largely for show.

Thay also had the votes to stop any amendments that the other party might introduce.

So ... why did they choose a route that required 283 votes when a straight up or down vote could have passed it with 218 votes?

When you analyze that question and come to a non partisan analytical answer you will have an epiphany.

They never wanted the bill to pass, what they wanted was some raw meat to feed to their base ... and that base gobbled it up without question.

LWW

Qtec
07-31-2010, 01:32 AM
Guess you missed this.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Most Republicans refused to back the measure, <u>calling it a "slush fund,"</u> and saying it was <u>another example of Democratic overreach and an "insatiable" appetite for taxpayers' money.</u>

The bill would spend $3.2 billion on health care over the next 10 years for people sickened from their exposure to the toxic smoke and debris of the shattered World Trade Center. It would spend another $4.2 billion to compensate victims over that span, and make another $4.2 billion in compensation available for the next 11 years.

"This legislation as written creates a huge <u>$8.4 billion slush fund paid by taxpayers that is open to abuse, fraud and waste," said Rep. Lamar Smith (R-Texas),</u> arguing that it would be raided by undeserving scammers with tenuous links to 9/11.

Rep. John Shimkus (R-Ill.) cast it as <u>a money grab for New York</u> because the bill would pay for care at higher rates than Medicare. "What this is is politics," Shimkus said. <u>"What this is is enfranchising a bunch of New York City hospitals."

"This fund is bloated," said Rep. Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.).</u>

Texas Republican Joe Barton, leading debate for his side, said the GOP would back a smaller program, such as the $150 million a year the White House would like to spend. But he said <u>the rest of the country should not bear the brunt of helping New Yorkers cope with the aftermath of the terror attacks.</u>

<u>"We support it, without raising taxes on the rest of the American people," said Barton (R-Texas), who recently won infamy by apologizing to BP.</u>

<span style='font-size: 20pt'>The measure is paid for by closing tax loopholes on foreign subsidiaries </span>that do business in the United States, which the GOP also opposed, saying it was a tax hike on foreign companies that hire Americans.

Democrats would have been able to pass the bill if they used the normal procedure, but they brought it up as a "suspension bill," which needs a two-thirds vote to pass because it can't be amended.<span style='font-size: 20pt'> Democrats feared the GOP would attach poison pills to the bill.</span>

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics...l#ixzz0vF5smKd1 (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2010/07/29/2010-07-29_congress_rejects_zadroga_911_health_and_compens ation_act_as_gop_members_balk_at_.html#ixzz0vF5smK d1)
</div></div>

The bill is paid for and they are still against it.

The GOP MO at the moment is to stall then vote no. Submit 100,s of amendments, get them into the bill and then vote NO.

The Dems obviously thought they were all in agreement but the GOP voted NO for political reasons.

Mark my words, they will pay for this later at the elections.

They have no class.

More on this.they speak.

this is great....link (http://video.foxnews.com/#/v/4298486/tempers-flare-over-vote-on-aid-for-911-responders/?playlist_id=86858)

Q

Qtec
07-31-2010, 03:43 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">However, I have to wonder why you would think it is the taxpayer's responsibility to provide medical care to them. </div></div>

How about because they risked their lives serving their country?

When there is danger and the Right needs someone to take a bullet , then you Cons/GOP/TP people are all ,
"America the Nation, united..rogether...Blah blah. You guys never complain that there are too many blacks or Hispanics in the Army"- even if they are illegals!!


but,

.. when it comes to the crunch, you guys advocate

"every man for himself" and "dog eat dog".

These guys at ground Zero didn't have to work in that toxic environment.
I'm pretty sure they didn't do it for the overtime.

The GOP are giving the finger to the firemen who they earlier cheered.

A classic example of trickle down gratitude.
Q

Qtec
07-31-2010, 04:05 AM
backround (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBqtyvn7OVw)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ever met a Republican not Owned by the Insurance Industry? </div></div>

Love this guy.
[ This explains the recent rant.]

"Deal with it."

Q /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

LWW
07-31-2010, 05:48 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Guess you missed this.

Q </div></div>

Not at all.

If the 254 votes were real then they had the votes to reject every amendment that could possibly be introduce on a straight up or down vote.

The only thing that would have changed is that it would have taken an extra day or two to debate, and vote down, amendments.

So ... a bravo sierra "EXPLANATION" has been placed on the spoon and you devoured it.

Now, using your vast analytical skills ... if the dems really wanted this passed why wouldn't they pursue a path requiring only 218 votes knowing that they had 254 votes in the bag?

The only possible logic based answer is that they never wanted it passed at all.

LWW

pooltchr
07-31-2010, 07:02 AM
The firemen and policemen and women who risked their lives did it because they wanted to do it. And the majority of them are union members who are provided with healthcare packages as part of their employment.

When a police officer is shot chasing a criminal, do we ask the taxpayers to jump in? When a fireman is killed fighting a fire, is it the government's responsibility to pay up? Or do we have insurance to provide for them and their families when something happens?

Why are those injured at ground zero any different? Is it because we get all emotional about the attack? If we take the emotion out of the picture, what we have are people who were injured on the job. I was injured on my job a few years ago, and believe me, the taxpayers didn't help, nor would I have expected them to do so.

I have the highest respect for the heros that do jobs like this every day, in every city across the country. The fact that this particular case is a high profile, emotional issue, really shouldn't make it any different for them than it would be for "Officer Bob" who gets hit by a truck while directing traffic in Podunk.

Steve

LWW
07-31-2010, 08:03 AM
You are addressing some of the reasons one might oppose the bill.

I want Q and friends to answer why the dems took the most difficult path to passage if they deemed this bill to be as critical as they are bleating?

You folks can do this.

LWW

pooltchr
07-31-2010, 05:47 PM
they did not want the bill to pass....they just wanted to be able to say they voted for it, but the nasty Republicans stopped them from passing it.

It's not brain surgery.

Steve

LWW
07-31-2010, 05:59 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">they did not want the bill to pass....they just wanted to be able to say they voted for it, but the nasty Republicans stopped them from passing it.

It's not brain surgery.

Steve </div></div>

<span style='font-size: 26pt'><u>*DING-DING-DING-DING*</u></span>


WE HAVE A WINNER!!!!

LWW

Qtec
07-31-2010, 10:34 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So please answer why the democrats didn't have this bill passed? </div></div>

..because 93% of Republicans voted against it.


Q

Qtec
07-31-2010, 10:55 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The only thing that would have changed is that it would have taken an extra day or two to debate, and vote down, amendments. </div></div>

Yeah right?!!!!! After more than a year on the HC bill the GOP wanted to start over!

Why do they want to stall?
Why must this have to be done quickly?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For weeks, a judge and teams of lawyers have been urging 10,000 former ground zero workers to sign on to a court-supervised settlement that would split $713 million among people who developed respiratory problems and other illnesses after inhaling trade center ash.

The court deal shares some similarities with the aid program that the federal legislation would have created, <span style='font-size: 20pt'>but it involves far less money. </span>Only the most seriously ill of the thousands of police officers, firefighters and construction workers suing New York City over their exposure to the dust would be eligible for a hefty payout.

But supporters of the deal have been saying the court settlement is the only realistic option for the sick, <span style='font-size: 20pt'>because Congress will never act. </span></div></div>

Congress did have a chance to act. 94% of Dems voted FOR and 93% of Reps voted Against.
Its not rocket science.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The potential promise of a substantial payout from the federal government had caused some ground zero workers to balk at participating in the proposed legal settlement, which would resolve as many as 10,000 lawsuits against the city.

Initially, the bill would have prohibited people from participating in the new federal compensation program if they had already been compensated for their injuries through a lawsuit, but a change was made in recent days eliminating that restriction.

<span style='font-size: 20pt'>Nevertheless, with the House rejecting the bill and no vote scheduled on a similar Senate version, it appears almost guaranteed that there will be no new federal law by Sept. 8, <u>the date by which ground zero workers involved in the lawsuits must decide whether to accept the settlement offer.</u></span>

Under the terms of the deal, 95 percent of those workers must say yes for the court settlement to take effect.

The compensation system set up by the court would make payments ranging from $3,250 for people who aren't sick but worry they could fall ill in the future to as much as $1.5 million to the families of people who have died. Nonsmokers disabled by severe asthma might get between $800,000 and $1 million.

About 25 percent of the money would go to pay legal fees. Contested claims would be heard by Feinberg, who would act as an appeals officer.

Researchers have found that <u>thousands of New Yorkers exposed to trade center dust are now suffering from breathing difficulties similar to asthma.</u> Many have also complained of heartburn or acid reflux, and studies have shown that firefighters who worked on the debris pile suffer from elevated levels of sarcoidosis, an inflammatory disease. </div></div>

The GOP had the chance to do the right thing and they didn't.





Q

Qtec
08-01-2010, 12:22 AM
link (http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/gop-takes-aim-first-responders)

At the 1.50 mark on the video you can hear him say "the Dems don't want to face a potential vote on immigration ".

What does that have to do with the 9/11 responders?

The Dems claimed that the GOP would introduce poison amendments.......King confirmed their suspicions.

Q

Qtec
08-01-2010, 12:26 AM
Just occured to me. The GOP want majority rule. Does this mean the senate only needs a 51 votes to pass any Bill?

Q

LWW
08-01-2010, 04:49 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So please answer why the democrats didn't have this bill passed? </div></div>

..because 93% of Republicans voted against it.


Q </div></div>

Was the question too hard?

Had they went the conventional route they needed only 218 votes for passage and only 218 votes to trump any and all amendments.

Why would they go a route that required 283 votes when they had 254 votes and only needed 218 votes the other way?

You can figure this out Q ... I have faith in you.

LWW