View Full Version : the Fourteenth Amendment

08-04-2010, 01:25 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> [Senate Majority Leader Harry] Reid (D-NV) quoted extensively from a column written by Washington Post columnist Michael Gerson on Friday. Reid read this portion from the podium of his press conference:

The authors of the Fourteenth Amendment guaranteed citizenship to all people "born or naturalized in the United States" for a reason. They wished to directly repudiate the Dred Scott decision, which said that citizenship could be granted or denied by political caprice.

They purposely chose an objective standard of citizenship -- birth -- that was not subject to politics. Reconstruction leaders established a firm, sound principle: <span style='font-size: 17pt'>To be an American citizen, you don't have to please a majority, you just have to be born here.</span>

Then Reid said of Republicans pushing the issue, <span style='font-size: 20pt'>"They've either taken leave of their senses or their principles."</span>

Well played Mr. Leader. </div></div>

What a bunch of lying hypocrites. The whole TP/Conservative movement has been foaming at the mouth about Obama not respecting the US Con. Now they want to change the bits they don't like!



08-04-2010, 04:22 AM
Changing the COTUS is not ignoring it.

Words mean things.


08-04-2010, 09:55 AM
The authors of the Fourteenth Amendment never intended for the children of aliens to gain citizenship by virtue of merely being born here. As the author of the Amendment, Sen. Jacob Howard, clearly states,

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.</div></div>

If you look closely at the wording of the 'citizenship clause', 'All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof...', a key part of it is, 'and subject to the jurisdiction thereof' and that means totally subject to our jurisdiction, not shared with other countries.

The courts are simply wrong (again) when they substituted their leftist understanding for the intent of the authors and those who ratified that troublesome Amendment.

08-04-2010, 09:58 AM
A constitutional convention needs to be convened to address the issue with more specificity.