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LWW
08-05-2010, 04:42 AM
Every thread which had replies since I was here last had been trolled by leftists. Every one was filled with attacks from leftists. None had a single on topic post by a leftist.

This is where the leftists insist they are victims and outnumbered.

LWW

llotter
08-05-2010, 07:11 AM
You should just consider yourself lucky that the elite class even bothers to troll among the commoners. Their statist world is far too complex for the ordinary folks to comprehend but you can take some comfort that you are still free to post your thoughts here.

pooltchr
08-05-2010, 07:12 AM
Larry,
If you were saddled with the job of defending the extreme radical leftist policies of this administration, you would be frustrated.

Have a little compassion and sympathy. They are in a very difficult situation these days.

Steve

hondo
08-05-2010, 07:50 AM
Why this forum is in trouble.

You have destroyed this forum, Larry.

llotter
08-05-2010, 08:24 AM
It is true that the few lefties remaining here are simply not sharp enough to know when they are beaten. As reality begins to sink into there fake world with failure heaped upon failure, most lefties are having some second thoughts about their positions.

Qtec
08-05-2010, 08:51 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Every thread which had replies since I was here last had been trolled by leftists. Every one was filled with attacks from leftists. None had a single on topic post by a leftist.

This is where the leftists insist they are victims and outnumbered.

LWW </div></div>

LOL


........and you wonder why others call you partisan and not capable of rational thought?

Q............Amazing

Qtec
08-05-2010, 09:03 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It is true that the few lefties remaining here are simply not sharp enough to know when they are beaten. </div></div>

Its just not possible to have a conversation with people who refuse to recognize facts. You can look the other way when the facts contradict your view.

For months now the GOP have been moaning about the debt and how everything has to be paid for. Right?
They are pushing for the tax cuts for the rich and opposing unemployment benefit for those who lost their job because Wall St FKD them.

They are hypocrites of the first order and this proves it. If you cannot see the hypocracy here then you are brain dead, a Tea Bagger.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Senate voted 61-38 on Wednesday to break a Republican filibuster of a bill that will provide $26 billion in aid to cash-strapped states. <span style='font-size: 20pt'>Republican lawmakers, who opposed previous domestic aid bills because of their deficit cost, opposed this bill even though it would reduce the deficit.</span> </div></div>

link (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/04/state-aid-clears-senate-h_n_670440.html)

Q

They want to give a third of the tax cuts to the richest 2% [ $700 BILLION] but ,

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The bill's revenue offsets include $9 billion from removing a foreign tax credit loophole, $8 billion from spending cuts, $2 billion from tweaking Medicaid drug reimbursement formulas, <span style='font-size: 20pt'>and, controversially, more than $11 billion from cutting food stamp funding in 2014 </span>(a previous version of the legislation made a smaller cut). </div></div>

Well done guys. I bet they call themselves Christians.

Socialist thinking.

"When people are down, you help them."

GOP/Conservative/TeaBag thinking.

"When people are down, kick them."

llotter
08-05-2010, 09:30 AM
Steve, I suppose the increasing split here reflects the growing split in our society. As the spontaneous rise of the Tea Party, representing what the Republicans until they figured out it was easier to just go-along-to-get-along, attempts to put the brakes on the Big-Government types from both parties, the old way of doing business is being challenged in a very big way. Those with a vested interest in the old, statist ways of both parties are digging in to protect the only security they have ever known.

LWW
08-05-2010, 09:48 AM
Quite true.

Americans are like most people, they try to meet others somewhere in the middle as an act of compromise or splitting the difference to maintain harmony.

What the majority is finally realizing however is that ther can be no compromise with leftists, there is no middle ground with statists, there is no way to split the difference with tyranny.

As the majority of Americans "SPLIT THE DIFFENCE" with the left, the left was not happy. They moved farther left and demanded that the split be split again ... and again ... and again.

After 75 years of this we have now accepted ... in a vain effort to placate the extremists ... the murder of the unborn for any reason at all, the deindustrialization of the nation, a complete collapse of what was once the world's foremost education system, a bankrupting of the nation, a destruction of the American family system, a state led war on faith, and the obliteration of our constitution.

There can be no peace with the far left.

America is finally awakening to that.

LWW

pooltchr
08-05-2010, 11:16 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
For months now the GOP have been moaning about the debt and how everything has to be paid for. Right?
They are pushing for the tax cuts for the rich and opposing unemployment benefit for those who lost their job because Wall St FKD them.


</div></div>

Actually, you are doing nothing more than spewing the same old liberal spin.

Here are the facts.

Yes, conservatives want to cut spending, and reduce the size of government.

It was the left who passed the pay-go bill that required everything to be paid for. Then they decided to bypass their own rule and try to borrow to extend unemployment benefits.
Conservatives called them on this, and demanded they follow their own rules, and pay for it out of the stimulus money, rather than borrowing more money.

Conservatives did not oppose unemployment benefits...they opposed the dems borrowing more money for it when they already had more than enough wrapped up in their porkulus bill.

But, you love the kool aid, and will continue to believe that the Reps are evil people who hate the unemployed. And no matter how many times this gets pointed out to you, you just will not listen.

Open minds open doors. Keep your mind closed, and you will never gain knowledge.

Choose your path.

Steve

LWW
08-05-2010, 11:43 AM
What they hate isn't that the republichickens are conservatives as a whole. What they hate is that the republichickens are leftists ... as opposed to being moonbat crazy leftists like Oabama/Pelosi/Reid.

LWW

llotter
08-05-2010, 11:48 AM
Steve,

I think of myself as a conservative and I am not in favor of unemployment benefits at all. If individuals want to protect themselves against being without work, they should save for a rainy day fund or buy insurance...or move in with the parents.

Individual responsibility is essential to maintain a free society.

Sev
08-05-2010, 12:09 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Steve,

I think of myself as a conservative and I am not in favor of unemployment benefits at all. If individuals want to protect themselves against being without work, they should save for a rainy day fund or buy insurance...or move in with the parents.

Individual responsibility is essential to maintain a free society. </div></div>

I concur.
However I also recognize I am one of the irresponsible ones.

Qtec
08-06-2010, 10:11 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
For months now the GOP have been moaning about the debt and how everything has to be paid for. Right?
They are pushing for the tax cuts for the rich and opposing unemployment benefit for those who lost their job because Wall St FKD them.


</div></div>

Actually, you are doing nothing more than spewing the same old liberal spin.

Here are the facts.

Yes, conservatives want to cut spending, and reduce the size of government.</div></div>

That might be what they say but its not what they do.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Bush Tax Cuts: Did they reduce the size of government?

President Bush and some of his supporters have argued that one purpose of the tax cuts is to "starve the beast," that is, to contain or reduce the size of government by depriving it of revenue. It is true that, in the long run, simple arithmetic dictates that the government’s spending must equal its revenue. Thus, if taxes are cut (or at least never increase), government spending must eventually decline. In practice, however, the Bush tax cuts have been accompanied by an acceleration in spending, both in inflation-adjusted dollars and in proportion to the economy, which means that the tax cuts have not led to lower government spending but have instead increased the budget deficit.

* In practice, neither tax cuts in general nor the Bush tax cuts in particular seem especially effective in restraining spending. The data over the past twenty-five years appear much more consistent with the view that once fiscal discipline erodes on the tax side of the budget, it tends to erode on the spending side, too.
* Since the Bush tax cuts were enacted, government spending has increased significantly in all major categories: defense spending, domestic spending, and entitlement spending. As a proportion of the economy, total government spending has gradually increased over President Bush’s tenure, from 18.4 percent of GDP in 2000 to 20.3 percent of GDP in 2006. link (http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/briefing-book/background/bush-tax-cuts/government.cfm) </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It was the left who passed the pay-go bill that required everything to be paid for. Then they decided to bypass their own rule and try to borrow to extend unemployment benefits.
Conservatives called them on this, and demanded they follow their own rules, and pay for it out of the stimulus money, rather than borrowing more money.</div></div>

What the GOP did was unprecedented. Emergency spending, look it up.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Conservatives did not oppose unemployment benefits...</div></div>

So why did they vote against it?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> they opposed the dems borrowing more money for it when they already had more than enough wrapped up in their porkulus bill.[/quote ..and they want to give 700 B to the rich in tax cuts that they haven't got.

[quote]But, you love the kool aid, and will continue to believe that the Reps are evil people who hate the unemployed. And no matter how many times this gets pointed out to you, you just will not listen.

Open minds open doors. Keep your mind closed, and you will never gain knowledge.

Choose your path.

Steve </div></div>

This is not an isolated case.

Jon tells it like it is, you should listen.

video (http://tpmtv.talkingpointsmemo.com/?id=6474922)


Q

pooltchr
08-06-2010, 10:37 AM
When did I ever suggest that Bush was a fiscal conservative?????

As for the Republican party, most of them are no more interested in reducing the size of government than the Dems. The party system relies on growing government to gain more power.

That is the very reason the Tea Party came into existance. Neither party represents the majority of Americans. Most of us would like to see less government, less spending, lower taxes, and a federal government that only does what it was intended to do. The parties represent the party and their financial supporters.

The fact is, there are very few true fiscal conservatives in Washington from either side of the aisle.

Steve