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bobroberts
08-06-2010, 03:37 PM
Thats right boys and girls and both, the gop with hopefully some more independents will come rolling in this November 2nd. We start to take the country from the democratic elite who believe they are smarter then everyone else. Pelosi even if she stays and thats to be seen will have no more weight. Reid will definitely be gone.
Obama commits mass suicide in the White House.
Maybe then we can get back to some normalcy.

pooltchr
08-06-2010, 05:00 PM
Obama doesn't care. He was willing to throw his majority under the bus to get his healthcare passed. He got what he wanted.

This election will be a step in the right direction, but as long as Obama is in the white house, he is a danger to our country.

Steve

Sev
08-06-2010, 07:11 PM
Like sands through the hour glass so are the days of the congress.

Qtec
08-07-2010, 01:20 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thats right boys and girls and both, the gop with hopefully some more independents will come rolling in </div></div>

Independents, you mean TP nutjobs like Angle and Paul? Everyone knows the TP is a creation of the RW. Its all a propaganda campaign. Believe me, now the the TP are getting out of control, the GOP will drop them come the election.

Q

Sev
08-07-2010, 05:31 AM
The GOP may drop them. However that does not mean the people will.

Sev
08-07-2010, 05:32 AM
<span style='font-size: 14pt'>87 Days and out!!!</span>

LWW
08-07-2010, 05:58 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thats right boys and girls and both, the gop with hopefully some more independents will come rolling in </div></div>

Independents, you mean TP nutjobs like Angle and Paul? Everyone knows the TP is a creation of the RW. Its all a propaganda campaign. Believe me, now the the TP are getting out of control, the GOP will drop them come the election.

Q </div></div>

If they do, they will get a first hand explanation of what Jefferson so often wrote about.

LWW

bobroberts
08-08-2010, 12:32 PM
<span style="color: #FF0000">86 more days</span>

LAMas
08-08-2010, 03:02 PM
I think that they will merge or morph into one.

Sev
08-08-2010, 06:10 PM
Perhaps. Or the Tea Party will supplant the the repubs.

LAMas
08-08-2010, 07:48 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Perhaps. Or the Tea Party will supplant the the repubs. </div></div>

I hope that the Tea Party absorbs the Independants and the Constitutional Repubs - as long as they vote in concert.

bobroberts
08-09-2010, 04:33 PM
<span style="color: #FF0000">85days left</span>

hondo
09-05-2010, 09:09 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LAMas</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Perhaps. Or the Tea Party will supplant the the repubs. </div></div>

I hope that the Tea Party absorbs the Independants and the Constitutional Repubs - as long as they vote in concert. </div></div>

"independents"- Just thought you should know. Your friendly
grammar police.

Sev
09-06-2010, 06:19 AM
<span style='font-size: 14pt'>57 days left.</span>

Democrat pundits are pushing loosing 30 seats in the house and possibly loosing the senate. Dick Morris says 80 seats.

HEE HEE HEE HEE Hee!!!!!

hondo
09-06-2010, 08:02 AM
And this is good for America how?
Just asking.
What little progress we have made will come to a complete halt.

Well, at least you're not pretending to be a Libertarian
like His Pontiff, the Dub. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

Sev
09-06-2010, 08:23 AM
I want to see 50% of incumbents voted out every election cycle. It is what the founders originally envisioned.

hondo
09-06-2010, 12:32 PM
The Founders originally envisioned Republicans voting against anything Democrat every time and creating total gridlock?
I learn something new from you esteemed historians every day on here. Thanks!

Sev
09-06-2010, 03:00 PM
No the founders envisioned a 50% turn over rate and designed the government such that passing legislation would be a slow if not impossible process.

LWW
09-06-2010, 04:19 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And this is good for America how?
Just asking.
What little progress we have made will come to a complete halt.</div></div>

In your own thoughts, what progress?

LWW

hondo
09-06-2010, 07:53 PM
Two that come to mind are health care and keeping the
economy from total collapse.

LWW
09-07-2010, 01:41 AM
How was raising the cost of health care while rationing delivery, and crushing the economy, helpful?

No boiler plate please ... think man, think.

LWW

hondo
09-07-2010, 04:52 AM
We have discussed our opposing views on health care hundreds
of times on these forums.
Feel free to peruse my past posts.

LWW
09-07-2010, 05:00 AM
No, we haven't.

You have regurgitated the pap spoon fed to you by the party.

Even the party now admits they were lies told simply to sell the program to their base.

Why can't you face that fact?

Why do you fear enlightenment?

Are you truly so insecure that you can't function without the state directing your every move and thought?

LWW

hondo
09-07-2010, 05:13 AM
SSDD. You continue to spout Beck and Limberger's hatetalk,
while accusing the other side of being unoriginal.
My opinion varies on a number of subjects.
I can predict your stance on every issue.
Heck, I can even predict your exact wording.

pooltchr
09-07-2010, 06:14 AM
Hondo, the simple fact is that the administration sold the healthcare bill based on the fact that it wouldn't add to the debt, and it would make healthcare more affordable, but bringing down the average cost for a family by over $2k per year. Here we are, just a few months after passage, and we are learning that it actually is going to add to our debt, and the average family will find the cost of their healthcare rising by over $2k per year. And, everyone will face a fine if they don't buy health insurance.

Ask yourself this question. How will all of those miners you keep talking about who have no healthcare and live paycheck to paycheck, be able to afford the more expensive insurance, or to pay the fine if they don't have enough money to comply with the new law?

You, along with the rest of the country, were lied to. Many of us knew it was a lie at the time, but by now, everyone should be able to recognize the lies for what they were.

You did nothing wrong personally, other than believing in someone who was not trustworthy. Admit it, and back far away from those who would deceive you. You will feel much better about yourself in the long run.

Steve

hondo
09-07-2010, 06:51 AM
I never said miners have no health care.
The UMW has an excellent health care plan.

pooltchr
09-07-2010, 08:51 AM
Oh yeah. I almost forgot that the administration is in the pocket of the unions, so of course, the UMW would be quite happy with the new law.
What about all the other poor folks you keep reminding us about...the ones who live paycheck to paycheck, and can only hope they don't get sick because they have no insurance. How are they going to afford it, now that it is becoming even more expensive?

So are you denying that you and the rest of us were lied to about what the true impact of the passage of the bill would be?

Steve

hondo
09-07-2010, 11:14 AM
Let's see. Your question appears to be - How are the working poor going to be able to afford the insurance they never had in the first place because they couldn't afford it.
Is that correct?

Do you ever proofread what you type before you hit the submit button? SWEET JESUS!!!

pooltchr
09-07-2010, 12:07 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Let's see. Your question appears to be - How are the working poor going to be able to afford the insurance they never had in the first place because they couldn't afford it.
Is that correct?

Do you ever proofread what you type before you hit the submit button? SWEET JESUS!!! </div></div>

Actually, your reading comprehension skills are failing you again. My question is: If people couldn't afford insurance before Obamacare, how could they possibly be expected to afford it after the new law causes the cost of insurance to go even higher?.

Steve

hondo
09-07-2010, 03:03 PM
Do you have proof of that statement or is this something you heard Beck say?

hondo
09-07-2010, 03:10 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Let's see. Your question appears to be - How are the working poor going to be able to afford the insurance they never had in the first place because they couldn't afford it.
Is that correct?

Do you ever proofread what you type before you hit the submit button? SWEET JESUS!!! </div></div>

Actually, your reading comprehension skills are failing you again. My question is: If people couldn't afford insurance before Obamacare, how could they possibly be expected to afford it after the new law causes the cost of insurance to go even higher?.

Steve </div></div>

for the hundreds of millions who do."

Revised Version of "Affordable Health Care for America Act" - November 2009

The post-negotiations version of the House health care bill incorporates changes made to cut costs, and to reflect changes necessary to draw votes from pro-business Blue Dog Democrats. Among the most significant changes are:

•Increasing the annual income threshold for a new surtax to partially finance health care reform to $1 million for couples and $500,000 for individuals. The previous threshold was $280,000 for individuals and $350,000 for couples.

•Increasing the threshold requirement for small businesses to provide health care coverage for employees. The new qualifying threshold exempts all businesses with payrolls under $500,000 annually. The previous threshold exempted only businesses with annual sales under $250,000.

•Under the government "public option" plan, doctors, hospitals and other medical professionals will be reimbursed at individually or regionally negotiated rates. Previously, doctors were to be reimbursed at Medicare rates, and hospitals at Medicare rates plus five percent.

•Drug prices for Medicare recipients would be negotiated by the Health & Human Services Secretary, a provision hotly contested by the pharmaceutical industry. Previously, the Bush administration set non-negotiable drug prices for Medicare, prices most experts derided as very high.
Under the revised House health care bill, 36 million uninsured Americans would obtain health care coverage, although the Congressional Budget Office estimates that 18 million would remain uninsured in 2019, including about six million illegal immigrants.
In total, 96 percent of the U.S. eligible population will have health insurance coverage.

The revised House health care refom bill would "slightly reduce federal budget deficits" per the Congressional Budget Office. The revised bill is endorsed by AARP, representing senior citizens, and the AMA, representing doctors.

Also in the revised House bill, private insurers:


•are required to accept all applicants,
•may not charge higher premiums because a person becomes ill,
•prohibits the use of pre-existing conditions to limit or disallow coverage, and
•children may remain on parents'insuraance through age 26.

pooltchr
09-07-2010, 03:24 PM
Healthcare costs are already going up for millions of Americans, as a direct result of this bill.
If yours hasn't gone up yet, it will....unless you are one of the people sucking off the government.

Steve

hondo
09-07-2010, 03:37 PM
What about your hero? Is he "sucking off" the government?

pooltchr
09-07-2010, 10:36 PM
Since I don't have a clue what you are talking about, I can't really answer that.
Like I told you before, I don't have any heros around here, so if that is what you are suggesting, you are way off base.
And it you are talking about my real heros, our men and women in the military, then I would find your question insulting, and degrading to the people who put their lives on the line so you have the right to sit at home and type drivel on your computer.

Steve

LWW
09-08-2010, 02:57 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Healthcare costs are already going up for millions of Americans, as a direct result of this bill.
If yours hasn't gone up yet, it will....unless you are one of the people sucking off the government.

Steve </div></div>

Forgive him. He's just parroting party boiler plate as it is much more soothing to him than reality. If the state says costs will go down he believes it. If dearest leader says the bill will lop costs by $2,500 per year he believes it.

The closest dem to telling the truth on the bill was Pelosi who said we had to pass it to see what was in it:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The relentlessly rising cost of health insurance is prompting some small Massachusetts companies to drop coverage for their workers </div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The average worker with a family plan was hit with 14% premium increase this year, pushing the bill to nearly $4,000 a year, according to a survey by the nonprofit Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation and the Health Research and Educational Trust.

That is the largest annual increase since the survey began in 1999 and a marked change from previous years, when employers generally split the rise in the cost of premiums with their employees.

The average employer contribution to a family plan did not go up at all this year, meaning the entire increase was borne by workers.

At the same time, nearly a third of employers reported that they either reduced the scope of benefits they are offering this year or increased the amount that workers must pay out of pocket for their medical care.

Workers saw average copayments for routine office visits increase 10% and deductibles continue their surge upward.</div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Large U.S. employers estimate their health care benefit costs will increase an average of 8.9 percent in 2011, up from an average increase of 7 percent in 2010, according to an August 2010 survey report by the National Business Group on Health, a non-profit association of large employers. The survey received responses from 72 of the nation’s largest corporations representing more than 3.7 million employees.

To help control cost increases, in 2011 employers are planning to use a wider variety of cost-sharing strategies that include:

• Increasing the percentage employees contribute to the premium (63 percent of respondents).

• Raising out-of-pocket maximums (46 percent).

• Raising in-network deductibles (44 percent).

• Raising out-of-network deductibles (40 percent).

• Raising co-pay/co-insurance for specialist care (21 percent).

• Raising co-pay/co-insurance for primary care (6 percent). </div></div>
OH DEAR! (http://www.shrm.org/hrdisciplines/benefits/Articles/Pages/2011PlanCosts.aspx)
OH MY! (http://www.boston.com/news/health/articles/2010/07/18/firms_cancel_health_coverage/)

SAY IT AIN'T SO BARRY, SAY IT AIN'T SO! (http://articles.latimes.com/2010/sep/02/business/la-fi-healthcare-costs-20100903)


HONDO ...this is where you declare the Los Angeles Times and Boston Globe to be right wing nut blogs.

LWW

Sev
09-08-2010, 05:30 AM
<span style='font-size: 17pt'>55 days and counting.</span>