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Qtec
08-14-2010, 02:36 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama on Friday forcefully endorsed allowing a mosque near ground zero, saying the country's founding principles demanded no less.

"As a citizen, and as president, I believe that Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as everyone else in this country," Obama said, weighing in for the first time on a controversy that has riven New York City and the nation.

"That includes the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and ordinances," he said. "This is America, and our commitment to religious freedom must be unshakable." </div></div>

Finally, one guy sticks up for the US Con.
Who would have thought that the Fascist, Socialist, Communist tyrant would be the one to show up those hysterical TP/GOP lunatics for what they are. Phonies.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"Our capacity to show not merely tolerance, but respect towards those who are different from us – and that way of life, that quintessentially American creed, stands in stark contrast to the nihilism of those who attacked us on that September morning, and who continue to plot against us today," he said. </div></div>

ie there is nothing you can do that will cause us to change our core values.

Q

LWW
08-14-2010, 03:49 AM
And here I thought the left was against any involvement between church and state?

Oddly they have no issue with US tax dollars being used to pay for mosque restorations and subsidizing fund raising ventures for this mosque in NYC ... but yet become apoplectic at a privately funded manger scene being displayed in front of a city building.

LWW

pooltchr
08-14-2010, 06:47 AM
I'm sure that every muslim coumtry would be just as tolerant if plans were made to erect a Christian church in the middle of one of their cities.

It's not a question of whether they have the right to practice their religion...it's a matter of the lack of respect they are showing by choosing the site of the worst attack on this country by members of their cult. Had they chosen any other site, the whole thing would have been a non issue. But the "in your face" attitude is not going to achieve their stated goal of bringing the community together. In fact, it seems it has done just the opposite.

Steve

LWW
08-14-2010, 09:07 AM
You must remember that Q lives in a nation in which many have already accepted dhimmi status.

LWW

Qtec
08-14-2010, 12:19 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And here I thought the left was against any involvement between church and state? </div></div>

There you go again MAKING STUFF UP. <span style='font-size: 17pt'>What involvement?</span>
Obama, as head of State, is simply pointing out that the latest hysteria drummed up by the Right about this Mosque is totally UN-AMERICAN and totally in opposition with core values and the spirit of the US Con.





Q

Qtec
08-14-2010, 01:01 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm sure that every muslim coumtry would be just as tolerant if plans were made to erect a Christian church in the middle of one of their cities. </div></div>

Why should our standards depend on theirs?

This is just another example of the Con/RW/GOP fermenting hate in order to divide the country.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">the worst attack on this country by members of their cult. </div></div>

Cult?
Don't you think that's insulting.

Q

pooltchr
08-14-2010, 02:15 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">the worst attack on this country by members of their cult. </div></div>

Cult?
Don't you think that's insulting.

Q
</div></div>

Not anywhere near as insulting as flying passenger airliners into sky scrapers!

Steve

cushioncrawler
08-14-2010, 07:09 PM
Islam iz a cult.
mac.

Sev
08-15-2010, 06:51 PM
Just why does Obama think it is necessary to involve himself with a NYS issue? Specifically it is a NYC issue to which the president should not be sticking his nose into.

Sid_Vicious
08-15-2010, 10:03 PM
I have to agree with these opponents to the mosque. It serves no purpose but negativity and future danger and controversy to have our residing president condoning this mosque near ground zero, when he(president) slipped on support to say, the Gulf oil spill during the early beginning. IMO, Obama is being cheap in pronouncing the support for this mosque at this time. November is in his mind, and to hell with the general American's opinion about that mosque there. That damned mosque can be 10 blocks over and still serve it's purpose. All this is, is a test to see how much sh!t the New Yorkers, and the rest of us will take. I am disappointed in Obama. Best thing he could have done was keep his mouth shut. sid

pooltchr
08-15-2010, 10:56 PM
I totally agree. A mosk at that location is inviting problems. And the president needs to learn when to keep his mouth shut.

Steve

Chopstick
08-16-2010, 08:36 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I totally agree. A mosk at that location is inviting problems. And the president needs to learn when to keep his mouth shut.

Steve </div></div>

Obama should have kept his mouth shut. They openly admit that they specifically chose that building because a piece of the 911 planes crashed through the roof of that building. I find that notion to be extremely offensive and I believe that is their purpose to be offensive just to see if they can get away with it.

By the way Q. You say it is OK for the Muslims to rub our noses in it and you guys won't even let them wear burqas

eg8r
08-16-2010, 07:12 PM
It is obvious that Obama does not care too much about the 9/11 victims.

eg8r

eg8r
08-16-2010, 07:13 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why should our standards depend on theirs?
</div></div>What is this "our" stuff you are talking about?

eg8r

LWW
08-17-2010, 02:14 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It is obvious that Obama does not care too much about the 9/11 victims.

eg8r </div></div>

Only when they can be used as a stage prop to advance the agenda.

LWW

Qtec
08-17-2010, 06:42 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why should our standards depend on theirs?
</div></div>What is this "our" stuff you are talking about?

eg8r </div></div>

I was thinking about the educated West where Govts are elected on the basis of a one man one vote basis and where the Law dictates and not the whims of politicians.

OK............Why should YOUR standards depend on theirs?


Q

Qtec
08-17-2010, 06:43 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It is obvious that Obama does not care too much about the 9/11 victims.

eg8r </div></div>

How did you come to that conclusion? Its not obvious to me or any other sane person!

Q

eg8r
08-17-2010, 08:15 AM
It is not obvious to you because you are an idiot. In the beginning he starts talking about the 9/11 victims and how hard it was for our country during that time and then he switches and then, in so many words, he tells us to embrace this mosque because of the freedom of religion. What he should have done was clue the people in, and I guess idiots like yourself, that it is quite insensitive to build the mosque there. He should recommend they find another area to build the mosque. We are not against the building or the religion, just the place where they want to build it.

What I want to know is what drugs are you currently on? How on earth could a terrorist appeasing fool like yourself ever refer to himself as "sane"?

eg8r

eg8r
08-17-2010, 08:16 AM
As long as you are not including yourself in anything American.

eg8r

Sid_Vicious
08-17-2010, 03:16 PM
Just in the simple fact that the Muslims running show(that's what it is)in sticking with the planned site of construction of KEEPING on sticking to that particular location after all of this strife, and frankly pure pissed off American opinions...well, that should tell everyone what the real so called peaceful and calm natured religion Islam really is. NOT! I see Muslim people on the news circles saying Islam is all about peace, understanding, and "please, please Americans don't think we Muslims are all troubles"...WELL, if the shoe was on the other foot and we'd bombed your buildings, in your country, would you sit by and understand our religion building a church at your ground zero? You know the f-n answer,,,this wimpy country needs a politically correctness enema. The enemy, be it BL and crew, or Islam, and I am serious when I say...I really wish we could lie detector test each adult Muslim here in this country, "Do you believe the Koran as true in saying kill Americans, infidels?" I wager both of my nuts that the readouts from those results, at minimum of those tested Muslims, would be dramatic in proving that they all do believe we are their enemy. I am saying, 90%, maybe 99%. These people think they will lose their afterlife and miss their reunion with their families if they don't answer that as a "Yes." That's a huge difference between Islam and what the bulk of the general Christians in this country feel about them. Give us Christians a detector test, PLEASE! Do this for me. Next time you are watching CNN or Fox, or whatever and they have a Muslim guest and they are asked such a question as this about the Koran's directive to kill us, maybe not in it's exactness of wording, quickly!, JUST focus and watch their eye contact with the questioner. I bet they all glance off before speaking.

All I am saying it that this mosque, if it was one of our religious symbols, would have already been decided differently and moved off ground zero, cuz we actually understand. In fact, be it Obama or Bush, our leaders would delegated it as an absolute must here. These stubborn Muslims keeping their construction plans in gear at ground zero, are just proving my point, and many other American's point. They have another agenda, and it isn't to be peaceful and caring, and certainly not understanding, to our suffering over that day in September. It wouldn't cost them a damned thing to slip a few blocks with this building and if it did cost something, take my tax dollars and just get the F away from Ground Zero. They have their reasons, ask them with wires attached and a paper chart reading the answers. Sure, I know...that ain't going to happen in reality. That's why I was safe betting my family jewels. I still would though, I feel that certain about the hate and anti-any-religion-faith of the overall Muslim followers within their Koran and what it says about killing infidels(ANYBODY other than Muslims.) sid

pooltchr
08-17-2010, 05:27 PM
Well said. I can't disagree with anything you said.
(Well, I'm not sure betting the jewels was a crackerjack idea)

Steve

Qtec
08-17-2010, 09:30 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If we take Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck and Newt Gingrich at their word, their objection to the proposed community center two blocks north of Ground Zero is that the entire area is hallowed ground, and a Muslim facility so close to the site is an insult to the victims and heroes of September 11.

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>Of course <u>this is entirely about a swath of 9/11 fetishists, mostly Christians, ginning up anti-Muslim fear and demagoguery to score political points. It's a cheap and obvious exploitation of the widespread American prejudice</u> that anyone who happens to be Muslim is equally as guilty and offensive as the terrorists who hijacked and crashed two airplanes into the World Trade Center towers.

It must be an election year because Republicans are once again rolling out September 11 as a wedge issue. You know, because they care about honoring the fallen. When it helps them politically. </span></div></div>

read it (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-cesca/ground-zero-mosque-oppone_b_685164.html)

If they were going to build one of these
http://www.pieas.edu.pk/icape2008/CFD%20Conf/Faisal%20Mosque.jpg
I could see how there might be objections, but they are not.

Park 51.

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/afp/20100803/capt.photo_1280846943605-1-0.jpg

You can't hold 1,000,000,000 people accountable for the actions of 19 suicide bombers,<u> just</u> because they happen to be of the same religion.

Q

Qtec
08-17-2010, 10:00 PM
jon stewart (http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-august-16-2010/mosque-erade)

LOL

Q

Qtec
08-17-2010, 10:49 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Newt Gingrich: compares proposed Islamic Center to Nazis putting a "sign next to the Holocaust museum"

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>Human excrement Newt Gingrich repeated his inflammatory rhetoric </span>from over the weekend this morning for the Fox & Friends kids. From the New York Times:

Newt Gingrich, the former House Speaker, also condemned the proposed mosque and the President’s comments.

“There is nothing surprising in the president’s <u>continued pandering to radical Islam</u>,” he said. “What he said last night is untrue and in accurate. The fact is this is not about religious liberty.”

<span style='font-size: 11pt'>Mr. Gingrich said the proposed mosque would be a symbol of Muslim “triumphalism”</span> and that building the mosque near the site of the Sept. 11 attacks <u>“would be like putting a Nazi sign next to the Holocaust Museum.”</u>

“It’s profoundly and terribly wrong,” he said. </div></div> video (http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/node/39062)

The lunatics have taken over the asylum.





Q

LWW
08-18-2010, 02:13 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> You can't hold 1,000,000,000 people accountable for the actions of 19 suicide bombers,<u> just</u> because they happen to be of the same religion.

Q </div></div>

Good point ... except that nobody did this.

LWW

pooltchr
08-18-2010, 07:31 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Newt Gingrich: compares proposed Islamic Center to Nazis putting a "sign next to the Holocaust museum"

</div></div>
The lunatics have taken over the asylum.





Q </div></div>

Would you care to explain how exactly this particular analogy is wrong????? Seems to me to be a very accurate one.

Steve

hondo
08-18-2010, 07:43 AM
I have tried hard to avoid posting about this issue, but, you know me.
I can't help it, folks. I find myself siding with the wingnuts on this one.
F**K that mosque! It seems like a taunt to me and I don't like it.

pooltchr
08-18-2010, 07:49 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have tried hard to avoid posting about this issue, but, you know me.
I can't help it, folks. I find myself siding with the wingnuts on this one.
F**K that mosque! It seems like a taunt to me and I don't like it. </div></div>

Thank you for responding to the topic of the thread. I am just a bit confused as to why you would have tried to avoid posting on the issue. Isn't that the point of participating in a forum like this? To respond to various issues?

If more people discussed the issues, and spent less time discussing the other posters, we might actually find more people interested in joining in to some adult conversations.



Steve

eg8r
08-18-2010, 09:05 AM
Keep your head in the sand will ya. It is where you are most comfortable.

eg8r

LWW
08-18-2010, 03:46 PM
It was refreshing to see him exhibit a flicker of intellectual discourse.

It is those fleeting moments that have caused me to never give up on him.

LWW

Qtec
08-19-2010, 12:25 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have tried hard to avoid posting about this issue, but, you know me.
I can't help it, folks. I find myself siding with the wingnuts on this one.
F**K that mosque! It seems like a taunt to me and I don't like it. </div></div>

It can only be a taunt if these New York Muslims agreed with the actions of the 19 <u>SAUDI</u> bombers!

Look, on Sept 8 2001, these people [ American Muslims] were going about their daily chore of trying to make a living, just like you and me. Now they are being told where they can and can't worship because a bunch of brain washed fanatics , 9 years earlier, brought down the Twin Towers.

When you say they can't have their center because its too close to Ground Zero,they will probably say to you,

"WTF does 9/11 have to do with me? I work at Starbucks."

The RW have spent the last 9 years demonizing Islam and its followers. This present hysteria is the result.

This is an either or question. Either you blame all Muslims for 9/11 or you don't. If you don't there is absolutely no reason why they shouldn't have their cultural centre at Cordoba House/ Park 51.

Q

Q

Qtec
08-19-2010, 12:56 AM
the future.....maybe the TP in 10 years?? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FphuBPNYcWo&feature=related)

Q /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

pooltchr
08-19-2010, 07:55 AM
Q...you are really clueless when it comes to our culture. And it really shows in your post.

I would try to explain it to you, but you don't want to understand, as you have shown us on many occasions.

Let's just agree that your post is your opinion, and is not an accurate representation of how things really are in this country.

Steve

Qtec
08-19-2010, 10:02 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">“would be like putting a Nazi sign next to the Holocaust Museum.” </div></div>


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <span style='font-size: 17pt'>"That's equating all Muslims with Al Quaida." </span> </div></div>

Q

Qtec
08-19-2010, 10:18 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Q...you are really clueless when it comes to our culture. And it really shows in your post.

I would try to explain it to you, but you don't want to understand, as you have shown us on many occasions.

Let's just agree that your post is your opinion, and is not an accurate representation of how things really are in this country.

Steve </div></div>

I understand your viewpoint better than you do. This is nothing to do with culture.
You see this Mosque as a victory for Al Q. You think Isam attacked on 9/11 and not a few extremists. Islam is the enemy and for THEM to have a Mosque so close to Ground Zero would be a slap in the face for all Americans?

Am I wrong or right?

Q

pooltchr
08-20-2010, 05:56 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[

I understand your viewpoint better than you do. This is nothing to do with culture.
You see this Mosque as a victory for Al Q. You think Isam attacked on 9/11 and not a few extremists. Islam is the enemy and for THEM to have a Mosque so close to Ground Zero would be a slap in the face for all Americans?

Am I wrong or right?

Q </div></div>

Since you asked....you are wrong.

Yes, the location of the mosque is a slap in the face of Americans. But it's the LOCATION, not the mosque itself.

This country suffered a vicious attack in the name of a religion. For members of that religion to be so insensitive as to think they could erect a monument to that religion at the site of the attacki is incomprehensable.

America is unique in our culture, just as most countries are. We have our feelings, our way of dealing with things, our way of doing things. We mourn our dead heros by respecting the symbols of their heroism. Ground Zero is one of those monuments...not by our choice, but due to the actions of others. So for members of the same group that generated the attack to attempt to build their own monument in the same location is seen as desecration of something that is sacred to Americans.

If you can't understand that, I'm sorry. Maybe you have to be an American to understand how Americans feel.

Steve

Qtec
08-20-2010, 07:31 AM
<span style="color: #990000">I said, "You see this Mosque as a victory for Al Q."</span>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Since you asked....you are wrong.

Yes, the location of the mosque is a slap in the face of Americans. But it's the LOCATION, not the mosque itself.</div></div>

<span style="color: #990000">I said, " You think Islam attacked on 9/11 and not a few extremists. </span>


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This country suffered a vicious attack <u>in the name of a religion.</u></div></div>

<span style="color: #990000">I said, "<u>Islam is the enemy</u> and for <u>THEM</u> to have a Mosque so close to Ground Zero would be a slap in the face for all Americans?


</span>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For members of <u>that religion</u> to be so insensitive as to think they could erect a monument to that religion at the site of the attack is incomprehensable. </div></div>

<span style="color: #990000">LOL So where was I wrong?</span>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So for members <span style='font-size: 20pt'>of the same group</span> that generated the attack to attempt to<u> build their own monument </u>[<span style="color: #990000">BTW they are not erecting a monument, they are going to renovate a disused building.</span>] in the same location is seen as desecration of something that is sacred to Americans. </div></div>

<span style='font-size: 17pt'>Its not the same group!</span> These people have nothing to do with 9/11 or Al Q.

Lets face it, the only reason you don't want a group of people to have a place of worship near Ground Zero is because they happen to have the same religion as some guys who attacked the USA.!
That's it in a nutshell......., they are Muslim, the bombers were Muslin. What more do you need to know? Right?




Q............

pooltchr
08-20-2010, 08:11 AM
You must have to work really hard at not understanding a simple concept!

We are constantly being told that we must be careful not to offend the muslime.

Screw that! This whold idea offends ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PC either applies to everyone, on nobody!

This is America, and if Americans don't like it, who the hell are they to say it is going to happen anyway.

SCREW 'EM!!

Steve

bobroberts
08-20-2010, 08:30 AM
Qtec,
As someone else posted here you really are an idiot. Your not from NY so you have no clue whats around the WTC site.
Even Muslims that live in NYC don't want the Mosque to be built there.
There is absolutely no good reason to build it there because no one lives near there. So you have to conclude that their reason is to incite period. Now get your head out of your rectum and understand that 70% do not want the mosque built there. 6 blocks away is fine just not there..
Now you get it?

LWW
08-20-2010, 08:47 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You must have to work really hard at not understanding a simple concept!

Steve </div></div>

Actually, I think it comes quite easy for most leftists.

LWW

llotter
08-20-2010, 04:30 PM
The real question that we should be debating is whether we should be closing existing mosques and helping resident Muslims become persona non grata. Islam is not compatible with Western freedom and must be marginalized without delay. The Constitution is not a suicide pact and it makes no sense to welcome ideological enemies into our home.

Qtec
08-20-2010, 11:53 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> The tactics surrounding the debate over the Muslim Center have taken this national embarrassment to a whole new level. As Mayor Bloomberg, President Obama, and many others have pointed out, <span style='font-size: 14pt'>there is no way any law-abiding American can oppose the right of American citizens to build a Muslim Center on private land unless they believe that all Muslims share responsibility for 9/11 and that all members of a religion are guilty of the crimes that were committed by a very small group of their co-religionists. As Michael Kinsley has convincingly explained, <span style='font-size: 17pt'>this thinking is flawed, illegal and un-American on every level.</span></span>

The most ironic aspect of the debate has been that opponents have claimed that allowing the center to be built would grant a victory to the terrorists. As Jeffrey Goldberg and others have accurately pointed out, nothing could be further from the truth. A Muslim Center run by an Imam who has written a book entitled The American Dream is the Muslim Dream and who has worked for decades to promote cooperation and understanding will become the number one target of Muslim terrorists because he is the ultimate affront to their core belief that infidels should be destroyed -- not embraced.

The fact that presidential hopeful and Fox analyst Newt Gingrich has compared building a Muslim Center led by American citizens committed to peace and interfaith cooperation to putting a Nazi sign next to the Holocaust Museum is disappointing (Jeff Goldberg called Gingrich "an ally of Al Qaeda") but not a surprise. The fact that Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity have spread vicious lies about Imam Rauf and implied that most families of victims of 9/11 are opposed to the center (they aren't -- many are strong supporters) is also not a surprise. </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As has been the case with all proposals on and near ground zero, the developers are long-time American citizens with no legal or tax issues who have a long history of working for pluralism and greater understanding among people. <span style='font-size: 14pt'>The difference with this project of course is that the developers are Muslim.

That is not supposed to matter in America. We are a country with a long and proud legal and moral tradition of people being innocent until proven guilty.<u> For decades it has be considered both immoral and illegal to discriminate against anyone based on race, religion, color, or ethnicity. Unfortunately, those days seem to be long gone </u>-- the victim of the addiction to anger and outrage and the need for dark-skinned villains that has overtaken our national conversation. </span></div></div>

Q

Qtec
08-21-2010, 12:15 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You must have to work really hard at not understanding a simple concept!

We are constantly being told that we must be careful not to offend the muslime.

Screw that! This whold idea offends ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PC either applies to everyone, on nobody!

This is America, and if Americans don't like it, who the hell are they to say it is going to happen anyway.

SCREW 'EM!!

Steve </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices, <u>especially one exhibiting intolerance, irrationality, and animosity toward those of differing beliefs </u></div></div>

So far, the only reason you have given as to why you are against these Americans having this building is that they are Muslims.

Q

Qtec
08-21-2010, 12:18 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The real question that we should be debating is whether we should be closing existing mosques and helping resident Muslims become persona non grata.

</div></div>

Sieg heil!



Q

pooltchr
08-21-2010, 06:53 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
So far, the only reason you have given as to why you are against these Americans having this building is that they are Muslims.

Q


</div></div>

That's ok. The only reason given for the 9/11 attack was that we were Americans.

Steve

Qtec
08-21-2010, 05:03 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> The only reason given for the 9/11 attack was that we were Americans.

Steve </div></div>

Really? They don't like your accent, is that it?

That's another topic.

Q

Qtec
08-21-2010, 05:11 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So far, the only reason you have given as to why you are against these Americans having this building is that they are Muslims.

Q </div></div>

Is that the only reason?

Q

pooltchr
08-21-2010, 05:35 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> The only reason given for the 9/11 attack was that we were Americans.

Steve </div></div>

Really? They don't like your accent, is that it?

That's another topic.

Q </div></div>

I have watched this discussion deteriorate to the point where I don't know if you can take it any lower.

You are either trying to be difficule, or you are completely ignorant of the subject. Either way, I have answered you stupid questions in a way that a 5th grader should be able to understand.. What other reason beside the one I gave you would you suggest was the reason they flew jets into our buildings????

Wait a minute....they don't like tall buidlings? Or they don't like big 5 sided buildings?

Steve

Qtec
08-21-2010, 06:07 PM
You really think the Muslims give a rats a$$ about a cultural centre in lower Manhattan?

You might have missed this. Pakistan.

real problems (http://www.citizentube.com/2010/08/raging-flood-waters-destroy-pakistan.html)

Q

Qtec
08-21-2010, 06:22 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> What other reason beside the one I gave you would you suggest was the reason they flew jets into our buildings???? </div></div>

Silly me for thinking their might be other reasons.


Flashback.

After 9/11, G.W.Bush did not want an investigation into what went wrong.

After 9/11 their were calls for ground Zero to become a monument to the fallen.
The reply was, "Guys, get real, do you know how much that real estate is worth? "

You complain about a cultural centre- with basketball court- 2 blocks away [ not even in sight of GZ] but building a <span style='font-size: 14pt'>shopping mall </span>on ground zero is ok........even if they sell Muslim carpets!

Q

pooltchr
08-21-2010, 06:46 PM
Oh please, sir, forgive me for being so stupid. I should have known that somehow you would blame it all on Bush!!

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Steve

Qtec
08-21-2010, 06:55 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Oh please, sir, forgive me for being so stupid. I should have known that somehow you would blame it all on Bush!!

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Steve </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <u>After 9/11, G.W.Bush did not want an investigation into what went wrong.</u>
</div></div>

That is not an opinion, its a fact.

Your problem is that you do not read or you are incapable of understanding, I'm serious.

Show me where in my post I blame Bush..........for what?

Q

pooltchr
08-21-2010, 07:58 PM
Why did you even bring up his name? What point were you trying to make. Every time I reply to your post, you just change direction. Let's stick with the point of discussion. I told you the reason we were attacked on 9/11 was because we are America, and there is a certain group of people who hate America.

I think that is a pretty solid statement. Now, forget Bush. What other reason do you think motivated the attack?

Steve

hondo
08-22-2010, 05:54 AM
I do agree. We need to go very slowly with you.

pooltchr
08-22-2010, 07:03 AM
Alright, DH...since you felt it necessary to throw your comments into the discussion, rather than just continuing your attempts at insults, why don't you tell us what you think motivated the 9/11 attacks. Q doesn't seem to have a clue. I've posted my thoughts on the subject.

If you want to join in the discussion, join in the discussion. Your childish insults add nothing to the conversation. Are you capable of actual adult level conversation?

Steve

Gayle in MD
08-22-2010, 08:02 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama on Friday forcefully endorsed allowing a mosque near ground zero, saying the country's founding principles demanded no less.

"As a citizen, and as president, I believe that Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as everyone else in this country," Obama said, weighing in for the first time on a controversy that has riven New York City and the nation.

"That includes the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and ordinances," he said. "This is America, and our commitment to religious freedom must be unshakable." </div></div>

Finally, one guy sticks up for the US Con.
Who would have thought that the Fascist, Socialist, Communist tyrant would be the one to show up those hysterical TP/GOP lunatics for what they are. Phonies.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"Our capacity to show not merely tolerance, but respect towards those who are different from us – and that way of life, that quintessentially American creed, stands in stark contrast to the nihilism of those who attacked us on that September morning, and who continue to plot against us today," he said. </div></div>

ie there is nothing you can do that will cause us to change our core values.

Q </div></div>

IMO, there is no better way to show the relatively small percentage of Muslims who are evil, radical, murdering cowards that their horrendous tactics will never change the principles upon which our country was founded, is to continue to insure religious freedom, for all.

There can be no half way about it, we are either a country which believes in religious freedom, or we're not.

Your thoughts on the subject, as usual, are intelligent, fair and reasoned

Many who live in NY realize that innocent Muslim Americans were also killed on 9/11. We have many Muslims living in our country, who love our country and what it stands for, as much as any of us, which is why they come here to live, work and raise their children, and also fight in our wars, volunteer to give the same last measure of devotion for America, which any other American volunteers to give, when they are called by duty on America's behalf, which is why one sees so many Muslim graves at our National Cematary.

Just as the RW media seeks to divide Americans by demonizing gay people, women, African Americans, and Mexican Citizens, and now, Muslims, they seek to divide the country with their lies about the religion of our President, and even his many times proven American citizenship, and as usual, Republicans fail to speak out against anti-Americanism.

Principles are the measure, not emotions. Our Constitutional rights are not subject to popular opinion, the constitution insures equality for all Americans, "Equal rights under the law" not just for those who escape the demonization of the radical right wing which has it's own propaganda station.

G.

hondo
08-22-2010, 08:32 AM
I explained how I feel and the only one who responded was Q. Why should I do it again?
Try reading the thread again with your eyes open and your mouth shut.

Wait a minute. I'm asking too much. Post # 316520.

hondo
08-22-2010, 08:33 AM
Hey, welcome back!!!
The real BDers have missed you.

pooltchr
08-22-2010, 08:46 AM
What is a "real" BDer????
Do you mean those of us who have been posting here for years?
Or do you mean those who agree with your leftist agenda?

Please clarify.

Steve

pooltchr
08-22-2010, 08:48 AM
Yes, welcome back.
Hondo has missed you terribly.
Hopefully, you will find a way to remain here for a while.
(Just a suggestion.....behave yourself)

Steve

hondo
08-22-2010, 08:51 AM
As I have stated several times, I mean those of us who have posted on here for years with the exception of you.

You have been so hypnotised by Master Dick's BS, grasshopper,
that you can no longer think for yourself.
You are simply his parrot.

Gayle in MD
08-22-2010, 08:52 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hey, welcome back!!!
The real BDers have missed you. </div></div>

Thanks Hondo, I've been traveling this summer. We've had a great summer. I missed the Real BDers as well, aka, those who post in order to share interesting information. The rest, that is, the true pot stirrers, will remain on ignore forever.

Reading their filth and misinformation is a waste of time.

G.

pooltchr
08-22-2010, 09:26 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As I have stated several times, I mean those of us who have posted on here for years with the exception of you.

You have been so hypnotised by Master Dick's BS, grasshopper,
that you can no longer think for yourself.
You are simply his parrot. </div></div>

It appears your ignorance and hatred knows no bounds.

I shall refrain from telling you what I really think, since I have enough self control to not write things that would get me banned. You should try it!

Steve

hondo
08-22-2010, 09:47 AM
OH? No more "little girl" taunts?
Well, good for you.
It's about time you started acting your age.

Stretch
08-22-2010, 12:42 PM
Gayle, wonderfull to see you posting again. I hope you had a fabulous summer! As you can see, we have an RW propoganda blog site here now. It's better to just pick your battles as the onslot of disinformation is far too brain numbing to address one by one. St.

Sev
08-22-2010, 07:17 PM
You must have missed her post.
She is not going to pick any battles just put everybody with an opposing view in ignore.

Not surprising.

Stretch
08-22-2010, 07:30 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You must have missed her post.
She is not going to pick any battles just put everybody with an opposing view in ignore.

Not surprising. </div></div>

What will not be surprising is that she will be shadowed, insulted, trolled, belittled, marginalized, harrassed, and bullied relentlessly. There will be nothing new in that regard. The right is already licking their collective chops at the prospect of seeing her back on the menu. St.

pooltchr
08-22-2010, 07:49 PM
But, Stretch.......she makes it so easy!!!!!!!!!!!

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Steve

Qtec
08-22-2010, 07:52 PM
Hallelujah (http://www.drexel.edu/depts/perform/chorus/Hallelujah_Chorus.mp3)

You have no idea how much I missed you. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

Welcome back.

Q /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

Qtec
08-22-2010, 08:13 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I told you the reason we were attacked on 9/11 was because we are America, and there is a certain group of people who hate America.

<u>I think that is a pretty solid statement.</u> </div></div>

LOL

I don't want to get into this because its a different topic but have you ever asked yourself 'WHY' do they hate Americans. [ if that's what you believe ]

Why?

Q

pooltchr
08-22-2010, 08:29 PM
Because their religion tells them to hate everyone who doesn't follow their beliefs. They think they must destroy anyone they can't convert. In their mind, we are the infidels.

They have declared a hold war against us. That is all the reason they need, in their minds. We are the infidels that must be eliminated.

Steve

hondo
08-22-2010, 09:18 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">But, Stretch.......she makes it so easy!!!!!!!!!!!

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Steve </div></div>


LMFAO! You want easy? Here's easy:

"It appears your ignorance and hatred knows no bounds.

I shall refrain from telling you what I really think, since I have enough self control to not write things that would get me banned. You should try it!'

Steve

What a silly little guy you are! ROTFLMFAO!

LWW
08-23-2010, 03:48 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I told you the reason we were attacked on 9/11 was because we are America, and there is a certain group of people who hate America.

<u>I think that is a pretty solid statement.</u> </div></div>

LOL

I don't want to get into this because its a different topic but have you ever asked yourself 'WHY' do they hate Americans. [ if that's what you believe ]

Why?

Q </div></div>

Should the Jews have sat in Auschwitz and contemplated why the Nazis hated them so?

LWW

Gayle in MD
08-23-2010, 05:36 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stretch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Gayle, wonderfull to see you posting again. I hope you had a fabulous summer! As you can see, we have an RW propoganda blog site here now. It's better to just pick your battles as the onslot of disinformation is far too brain numbing to address one by one. St. </div></div>

Thank you dear friend. Your description tells me nothing has changed. We still have one another, and my focus will remain on those who can think rationally, and post without the famous RW hatred and slander which marks the Republican Party these days, you, of course, are among the former.

Love,
Gayle

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Gayle in MD
08-23-2010, 05:41 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Hallelujah (http://www.drexel.edu/depts/perform/chorus/Hallelujah_Chorus.mp3)

You have no idea how much I missed you. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

Welcome back.

Q /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif </div></div>

Thank you, friend, and I missed you, too!

Loved the music! Listened to the whole thing!

What a nice compliment! Believe it or not, I used to sing first soprano, in high school chorus, and that was a favorite of mine.

Love,
G.

hondo
08-23-2010, 06:05 AM
It appears that you are saying that other peoples simply have a blind hate for America without a legitimate reason.
Do you believe that?

As for the comparison with the German hatred for Jews.
I realize that America turned their back on the Jews and wouldn't let them in, but was there an earlier time when
they could have seen the writing on the wall and got the hell out of Dodge?
Just asking. You're the self-proclaimed history buff.

Also, do you feel this is a legitimate comparison?
A super power threatened by terrorists and a minority group rounded up and murdered by a super power?

LWW
08-23-2010, 03:05 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It appears that you are saying that other peoples simply have a blind hate for America without a legitimate reason.
Do you believe that?</div></div>

What legitimate "REASON" did they have to hate us in 1801 ... or to invade the Byzantine Empire ... or to sweep across N Africa ... or to invade the Balkans ... or to side with Hitler ... other than us, the Jews, the Byzantines and the Euros weren't Islamic? You claim to have read the Q'uran ... edify us?

LWW

LWW
08-23-2010, 03:07 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As for the comparison with the German hatred for Jews.
I realize that America turned their back on the Jews and wouldn't let them in, but was there an earlier time when
they could have seen the writing on the wall and got the hell out of Dodge?
Just asking. You're the self-proclaimed history buff.</div></div>

Those that could did. Those that couldn't didn't. What is your point?

LWW

LWW
08-23-2010, 03:07 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Also, do you feel this is a legitimate comparison?
A super power threatened by terrorists and a minority group rounded up and murdered by a super power? </div></div>

Of course I do.

Modern Islamic fascism and Nazi Germany have far more in common than they do differences.

LWW

hondo
08-23-2010, 06:57 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It appears that you are saying that other peoples simply have a blind hate for America without a legitimate reason.
Do you believe that?</div></div>

What legitimate "REASON" did they have to hate us in 1801 ... or to invade the Byzantine Empire ... or to sweep across N Africa ... or to invade the Balkans ... or to side with Hitler ... other than us, the Jews, the Byzantines and the Euros weren't Islamic? You claim to have read the Q'uran ... edify us?

LWW

</div></div>

Hitler was Islamic?!?!

pooltchr
08-23-2010, 07:13 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Hitler was Islamic?!?! </div></div>

Congratulations Hondo. The stupidity of that comment left me at a complete loss for words!

You have reached a new level!!!!!!

Steve

Sev
08-23-2010, 07:19 PM
HAHHAAAHAAHHAAAHAHA!!!!http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t278/Sevelli/Emoticons/emot19.gif

hondo
08-23-2010, 07:24 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Hitler was Islamic?!?! </div></div>

Congratulations Hondo. The stupidity of that comment left me at a complete loss for words!

You have reached a new level!!!!!!

Steve </div></div>

Quit lying. You came up with 20 words.

Sev
08-23-2010, 07:26 PM
AHAHHAHAAHHAHAHAAHAHAH!!!!! I saw that one coming!!!http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t278/Sevelli/Emoticons/laughing-2.gif

pooltchr
08-23-2010, 07:35 PM
I couldn't respond to the statement itself....just the stupidity of it. Of course, in Hondo's mind, not addressing the subject of a post is SOP!!!

Steve

hondo
08-23-2010, 08:00 PM
That does it!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjE2a9LXa5Y

Sev
08-23-2010, 08:05 PM
Much better. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaEAinJMwHI&feature=related