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08-27-2010, 04:24 AM
link (http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/daily-show-tennessee-no-evil)

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Candidate denounces Murfreesboro mosque proposal

Candidate says Murfreesboro mosque part of movement to fracture Tenn's moral foundation

AP News

Jun 24, 2010 20:21 EDT

A Tennessee Republican candidate for Congress says plans to build a mosque in a Nashville suburb pose a threat to her state's moral and political foundation.

In a Thursday evening statement, 6th District candidate Lou Ann Zelenik said she stands with those who oppose building what she calls "an Islamic training center." She says the center is not part of a religious movement, but a political one "designed to fracture the moral and political foundation of Middle Tennessee."

"Until the American Muslim community find it in their hearts to separate themselves from their evil, radical counterparts, to condemn those who want to destroy our civilization and will fight against them, we are not obligated to open our society to any of them," Zelenik says in the statement.

Many residents in the suburban Nashville community only became aware of the planned mosque and community center after it had been approved. An overflow crowd packed a Rutherford County Commission meeting last week to speak against it. </div></div>

Watch the interview with this woman. Starts around the 4.40 mark.

Q.........its for real!.......its also funny

08-27-2010, 04:39 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 11pt'>"Until the American Muslim community find it in their hearts to separate themselves from their evil, radical counterparts, to condemn those who want to destroy our civilization and will fight against them, we are not obligated to open our society to any of them,"</span> Zelenik says in the statement.</div></div>

Do you agree or disagree with the above quoted statement?


08-27-2010, 04:59 AM
No comment on the thread then?


Gayle in MD
08-27-2010, 07:19 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"Until the American Muslim community find it in their hearts to separate themselves from their evil, radical counterparts, to condemn those who want to destroy our civilization and will fight against them, we are not obligated to open our society to any of them," Zelenik says in the statement.

She attacks with that statewment, when those are the very goals intended, and why the intended mosque, is being built there, in the in the first place.

To build religious understand, annd work against radical Islamists.

There is now a group of survivors, who lost family members on 9/11, and who have banned together to fight against religious freedom for all.

GW Bush went to an Islamic Center after 9/11, to honor Islam, and to make it clear that we are not at war with Islam. Just imagine what these nutcases would be saying if President Obama did the same thing.

The leader of this effort in NY, for the mosque, has been workingon behalfofr our country in the MIddle East, for the very purpose of condemning radical Islamists, who are turning their religion into something most Muslims do not support or agree with.

BTW did you see the clip about the guy who said he didn't want a mosque next to his business, but wouldn't mind a baptist church, because those folks wouln't violate the parking rules. LMAO! He lived an KY, or N.C., one of those states in the bible belt.

Another nutcase...


08-27-2010, 10:22 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> He lived an KY, or N.C., one of those states in the bible belt.

Another nutcase...



Another elitist comment. You really do think you are better than people who live in the south, don't you? It's not even worth your while to know the difference between tow states, If it's not Maryland, it must not be worthy!

What a snob you have become!

If it wasn't important enough for you to pay attention to which state it was, why even bring it up, unless it was just to spew more of your hatred??


08-27-2010, 05:56 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The leader of this effort in NY, for the mosque, has been workingon behalfofr our country in the MIddle East, for the very purpose of condemning radical Islamists


That is the most ridiculous statement I have ever seen from you.


08-27-2010, 06:22 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The leader of this effort in NY, for the mosque, has been workingon behalfofr our country in the MIddle East, for the very purpose of condemning radical Islamists


That is the most ridiculous statement I have ever seen from you.

LWW </div></div>

Nahhhh! There have been plenty!


08-27-2010, 06:33 PM
Dutch politician to form international anti-Muslim Coalition
By Laura Trowbridge.

Controversial Dutch politician Geert Wilders is planning an international "freedom alliance" against Muslims, which will include the United States, Canada, France, Germany and Britain.
Mr Wilders plans to launch the international movement later this year in aims to stop the immigration of Muslim people to the Western world.
According to Sky News, Mr Wilders told the Dutch parliament: "The message: 'Stop Islam, defend freedom', is a message that's not only important for the Netherlands but for the whole free Western world."
Wilders said the five Western nations are "ripe" for his message now since they have a large number of Muslim immigrants and "face a threat from Islamic terrorists."
Wilders spoke in London last year, saying: "I have a problem with the Islamic ideology, the Islamic culture, because I feel that the more Islam that we get in our societies, the less freedom that we get.
"I believe we should stop mass immigration from Islamic countries, not because the people are bad, but because they bring a culture that really is against everything in our own values."
Mr Wilders' Freedom Party has become very popular in the Netherlands. He made big gains in June's general election and increased his share of the vote and number of MPs.
He has become a target for Islamic fundamentalists after making a film called Fitna, which compared Islam to Nazism and the Koran to Hitler's Mein Kampf. Because of so many death threats, he is under permanent police protection.
Wilders' politics have gotten him in some other deep water. He will stand trial later this year in Dutch courts on race-hate charges.

08-27-2010, 06:45 PM
(wiki) Views on Islam Part of a series on the Criticism of Islam

Wilders is best known for his criticism of Islam, summing up his views by saying, "I don't hate Muslims, I hate Islam".[61] Although identifying Islamic extremists as a small 5–15% minority of Muslims,[77] he argues that "there is no such thing as 'moderate Islam'" and that the "Koran also states that Muslims who believe in only part of the Koran are in fact apostates".[58] He suggests that Muslims should "tear out half of the Koran if they wished to stay in the Netherlands" because it contains 'terrible things' and that Muhammad would "... in these days be hunted down as a terrorist".[81]

On 8 August 2007, Wilders opined in an open letter[82] to the Dutch newspaper De Volkskrant that the Koran, which he called a "fascist book", should be outlawed in the Netherlands, like Adolf Hitler's Mein Kampf.[83] He has stated that "The book incites hatred and killing and therefore has no place in our legal order".[84] He has also referred to Mohammed as "the devil".[23] In September 2009, he made a public speech advocating a €1000 a year ($1500) excise tax on wearing headscarves.[85]

He believes that all Muslim immigration to the Netherlands should be halted and all settled immigrants should be paid to leave.[61] Referring to the increased population of Muslims in the Netherlands, he has said:

Take a walk down the street and see where this is going. You no longer feel like you are living in your own country. There is a battle going on and we have to defend ourselves. Before you know it there will be more mosques than churches![86]
In a speech before the Dutch Parliament, he stated:

Islam is the Trojan Horse in Europe. If we do not stop Islamification now, Eurabia and Netherabia will just be a matter of time. One century ago, there were approximately 50 Muslims in the Netherlands. Today, there are about 1 million Muslims in this country. Where will it end? We are heading for the end of European and Dutch civilisation as we know it. Where is our Prime Minister in all this?
In reply to my questions in the House he said, without batting an eyelid, that there is no question of our country being Islamified. Now, this reply constituted a historical error as soon as it was uttered. Very many Dutch citizens, Madam Speaker, experience the presence of Islam around them. And I can report that they have had enough of burkas, headscarves, the ritual slaughter of animals, so‑called honour revenge, blaring minarets, female circumcision, hymen restoration operations, abuse of homosexuals, Turkish and Arabic on the buses and trains as well as on town hall leaflets, halal meat at grocery shops and department stores, Sharia exams, the Finance Minister's Sharia mortgages, and the enormous overrepresentation of Muslims in the area of crime, including Moroccan street terrorists.[58]

Nonetheless, Wilders has traveled widely in the Arab world and Der Spiegel has stated that Wilders will "wax poetic" over those "magnificent countries". Wilders has also said that "It's a real shame that these places are so chaotic."[19]

08-27-2010, 07:06 PM
From Miller Ave Baptist Church (mac haz deleted boring bits).
Islam is rarely critiqued by journalists because it can be dangerous to do so. Since September 11, 2001, this is less true because people are interested in Islam and are searching for answers. However, it is still risky to write anything that may impugn Islam and especially the founder, Mohammad. This is one reason why I call Islam a cult. It can be dangerous to make certain statements about Islam since Muslims have treated opponents with something less than kindness and love in order to uphold, in their minds, the honor of Allah.

The Purpose for This Essay
The purpose of this essay is to call attention to the influence of a cultic mentality on Islam, and to invite Muslim people to examine their religious positions.

My view is that Islam has ingrained within it powerful cultic elements, and that these elements have contributed to the terrorist crisis we now face. I do not pretend to understand the complex forces--the political, tribal, cultural, economic, racial forces--that contribute to the situation. However, I ask the reader to prayerfully consider my argument.

A Working Definition of a "Cult"
The definition of cult in this essay is primarily non-theological. Traditionally Christians apply the term to Bible based groups that have significantly departed from the mainstream and historical creeds, particularly regarding the deity of Jesus and the meaning of His sacrifice on the cross. Bible based cults typically deny the full deity and humanity of Jesus, His atoning work on the cross, bodily resurrection, and return at the end of the age as King of kings and Lord of lords to judge the living and the dead.

However, Islam is being examined here using a secular definition of cult, that is, the use of mind-bending psychological and sociological techniques to recruit, motivate, and retain converts and members. Contrary to popular understandings, cults may not be religious; they may be political, commercial, or psychological! educational in nature. Cults may be large or small, named or unnamed, known or unknown. They may have a leader or be without a leader. The essential issue is the use of control mechanisms that violate the individuality of participants to freely associate with the group.

Cults are dangerous-they control, manipulate, and use those under their sway. Islam leaders issue declarations, a "fatwa", and may even call for a holy war, the "jihad". These clerical pronouncements place demands upon Muslims, which may violate their will and inner sensibilities. If Islam were not so fractured into sects and splinter movements, the non-Muslim world would face a more serious enemy that it does today. So strange is Islam, that it sanctions the murder of "infidels" and, of course, I am one and so is anyone who is not a Muslim.

Is Islam Cultic?
My answer to the above question is that Islam is cultic. The following is a series of questions and assertions designed to demonstrate this contention.

Why is Islam not a cult when in many Muslim dominated countries it is a capital offense to hand Muslims a Bible, or, to simply explain Christianity to them? Of course, the same holds true for a Hindu or a Buddhist or a Taoist who might attempt to pass along something of his or her faith. Saudi Arabia, the guardian of Islam's most holy shrines in Mecca and Medina, is a highly restricted society where Christians are not allowed any public expression of their faith.

Why is Islam not a cult when it is virtually impossible for a Muslim to leave the religion even if one is not converting to another religion but merely wishes to become, for example, an atheist or agnostic?

Why is Islam not a cult when Muslim warriors force their religion on people? The history of Islam is full of that kind of proselytization. Yes, I know the Roman Catholic Church has forced "pagans" to adopt Catholicism. However that church has recognized that in so doing it was wrong-headed, anti-biblical, and, indeed, anti-Christian. As a Baptist, I can say that in 500 years of our history we have not engaged in such tactics and neither have any of the traditional Evangelical, Protestant denominations.

A vivid illustration of the cultic nature of Islam is the case of the novelist Salman Rushdie. Rushdie had a death contract issued against his life for what was taken as a slight against Allah in his Satanic Verses. Whereas, novelists, journalists, commentators, filmmakers, and television producers routinely critique Christianity without reprisal. Yes, I know there were the inquisitions, but again, those were carried out by the Roman Church, which is only one segment of the Christian Church. But with Islam, vengeance, reprisals, and even death contracts are systemic and ingrained in the religion.

Many if not most Muslims who live in Western countries are not cultic extremists and will be patriots of whatever country in which they live. But, the commitment to Islam may run far deeper than loyalty to any nation. Muslims will change national or political affiliations if needed, but their commitment to the defense of Islam may be fanatical. Religious faith, especially cultic religious faith, may motivate people into radical behavior.

A Contrast
How insecure and weak is Islam that extremist Muslims attack those who oppose it with threats and violence rather than with reasoned debate. The internal deficiencies of the religion produces defensive, even paranoid, behavior, rendering it resistant to self-evaluation.

Christianity, though, thrives in a pluralistic, free, and democratic society. Christianity does not require the support of a nation state. Islamic control in many countries is absolute, totalitarian, and dictatorial, and when that is so, it is oppressive. In countries ruled by Sharia, the Islamic law, minor infractions may be punished by the loss of a hand, a foot, or life itself. Muslim women have been stoned to death for inadvertently exposing an ankle or forearm in public. The much touted "mercy" of Islam is severe at best.

Differing Views of God's Kingdom
Politics and religion cannot be separated when it comes to Islam. The ideal society for many Muslims is one ruled by Islamic law. Mohammad's "kingdom" is of this world. This is in sharp contrast to Jesus who said, "My kingdom is not of this world" (John 18:36). At the critical moment of Jesus' arrest, for instance, His disciples were ready to fight but Jesus prevented it. (see Luke 22: 47-51) Some adherents to Christianity have at various times attempted to establish a "theocracy", but every effort failed, and always lead to horrible abuse.

Cultists traditionally hope to impose their faith and practices upon others and view outsiders as enemies. The cultist might be a Marxist, a National Socialist (Nazi), a Muslim terrorist, a fanatical Christian, and so on, but in the here and now, they demand that their views dominate. Cultists want the kingdoms of this world to be their kingdoms. And this is true of a significant part of Islam.

The Goal of Islam
It is no secret that Islam's goal is world rule, and I am not simply giving vent to some right-wing political/religious conspiracy. World dominance is the stated aim of Islam. It sees itself swallowing up the non-Islamic world-and it means to do so with whatever means are available. Though not all Muslims would fully commit to such a grand, and monstrous, undertaking, still it is part of the religion's doctrinal system. Therefore, the world goal contributes to Islam's cultic tendencies.

Women in Islam
Another cultic aspect of Islam is the treatment of women who live in countries dominated by Islam. It is shocking! It is deviant! It is evil! This treatment of women should not be dismissed by appealing to cultural differences. Murder, mutilation, physical abuse, among other things, cannot be condoned.

Why is this frightful treatment of women accepted in many Islamic countries? Why is there such an exaggerated fear and mistrust of women?

Islamic spokesmen say that women are merely being protected. But the women generally despise their treatment and status, and are seemingly powerless to bring about change.

The so-called "honor killings" amongst Muslim people is particularly horrific. The Muslim culture gives tacit approval to a father or brother to kill a female family member who is said to have dishonored the family based on even the mildest rumor of free behavior or by being the victim of a rape. The father or brother who commits the "honor killing" receives a token prison sentence if the murder is reported and an arrest is made.

The plight of young men and women in Islamic countries is sad indeed. Their isolation from each other twists normal social and sexual relationships. Wealthy and usually, older men, can have four wives and as many concubines as they can afford, while younger, poorer men, are denied and deprived. This deplorable situation stems directly from the nature and traditions of Islam itself.

Women are denied education in countries ruled by strict Islamic law. Why? Is it to keep women in their place? Why must women cover themselves so that not even an ankle can be seen in public? These are twisted gender mores.

Moderate Muslims counter that these practices are only enforced by extremists. The extremists counter that they are only interpreting Islam in the purest manner possible. Who is correct? If it is only a matter of interpretation, then Islam's authority system is under suspicion. At minimum then, Islam is vulnerable to cultic implementation.

An Absurdity
Cults employ mind-bending techniques to induce followers to be obedient - this has long been understood. Is the promise of free love in an Islamic paradise simply a motivating tool used by extremist leaders to entice young warriors to do their bidding? What about the mind-boggling promise of 70 (some authorities say the number is 72) virgins available for the pleasures of the martyred Islamic warrior? Shall we ask on what authority does this obscene doctrine depend? Dare we question the validity of such a sexist, horrific precept? Talk about cultic - this is as extreme an example as might be found in the strangest of groups.

Certainly for love starved, poor, young men, whose future is clouded at best, the promise of unlimited fleshly pleasure in the hereafter might be an inducement to die for the sake of Allah. Is this a true doctrine? Moderate interpreters say no, the sexually oriented promises are unfounded. Yet, the perverse promise is constantly proclaimed, so much so that many mind-bent warriors have killed thousands and died in the process in order to acquire their virgins.

Disillusionment in Islamic Ranks
Disillusionment with the religion boils under the surface in Islamic societies. After immigrating to Western countries, many Muslims, if possible (and it is not always possible), blend in with their new country and either moderate or abandon Islam altogether. Many Muslims in a Western country will go through the religious motions, but their hearts are not in it.

Today there is a "rallying to the cause" with the War on Terror going on, as many Muslims believe the war is between Christian America and Islam. But given the chance, some Muslims might well seek to be free of the Islamic strictures. Of course, Muslim clerics in the West realize this and do not hesitate to isolate their constituents from non-Muslim influence. Isolation is a typical cultic mechanism-defections are treated most seriously.

"Once a Muslim, always a Muslim" that is how it is in a country dominated by Islam. Although this may be somewhat exaggerated, it is very close to an accurate evaluation. Like the Mafia, once in, it is quite difficult to leave, and one who defects may do so at great price. Most cults, in fact, ostracize defecting people, cutting him or her off from family, friends, and employment.

The Major Difference
Islam is a religion based on performance whereas biblical Christianity is grounded on God's grace. The Islamic deity rewards obedience. Muslim heaven, or paradise, must be earned by carefully keeping rules and regulations. There is no assurance of salvation or confidence that even the faithful Muslim will achieve paradise.

Works, performance based religion may inspire fear and extremism for those who take it seriously. Extreme attempts to win the favor of the deity and religious leaders would not be unexpected, especially when a favorable eternity is at stake. The Qur'an assures martyrs that they will be in paradise, and it is this very promise that seems to have motivated some of those who turned commercial airliners into missiles on September 11, 2001.

A Challenge
Harassment of Muslims is unacceptable, and this essay is not an attempt to bring grief to Muslim people. However, I would like to challenge Muslims to examine their religion, indeed, examine their hearts and minds, and ask themselves these questions: "Why am I a Muslim? Is my commitment to Islam based on a free decision? What is my attitude towards those of other religions, particularly Jews and Christians? Do I honestly think killing Jews and Christians serves Allah? Do I think it is a Muslim's duty to defend Islam by martyrdom or suicide? Should I support religious tolerance for people of other Faiths in Muslim dominated countries like Saudi Arabia? Would I leave Islam, but not my cultural identity, if I could? Are my attitudes cultic in any way? One way out of a cultic mentality is to think, consider, reflect, and examine our motivations and behaviors. No one is above being captured by extremist doctrines and practices. It is wisdom to chart an independent course from those who would control us. It is not easy to do so, it may not be safe to do so, but it is important to do so.

08-27-2010, 08:43 PM
Dam Crawler that was a long one.

08-27-2010, 10:07 PM
Islam iz a cult. The above three articles say most of what i think.
With all due respekt to muslims that play a cue-sport.

08-28-2010, 08:21 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cushioncrawler</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Islam iz a cult. The above three articles say most of what i think.
With all due respekt to muslims that play a cue-sport.
mac. </div></div>

OK. Here is the official ruling from ask Islam.com:

Ruling on playing pool billiards and the loser paying for the table rental
We play pool billiards sometimes for fun, and play loser pays, meaning whomever loses has to pay the fee for the table rental? Is this halal?.

Praise be to Allaah.

Anyone who looks at the state of youth today will see that most of them are not serious and have no interest in acquiring beneficial knowledge or seeking halaal provision. They waste their time with things that are not useful, which causes psychological and physical problems.

One of the salaf passed by some people who were playing and said: “I wish that time could be bought with money, then I would buy these people’s time!”

Yes, for those great men, the hours of the day were not enough for research, study and serious work; they used to sleep and eat less so that they would not be wasting time.

Now we see the youth, unfortunately, wasting the best years of their life with play and leisure. We do not want our young brothers to regard as forbidden the kinds of leisure and play that Allaah has permitted them, but we wish that this would not be the thing with which they are preoccupied night and day, and that they would look for a game that will benefit them mentally and physically and help them develop their skills.


Playing pool billiards in clubs is not permissible, not because the game itself is haraam, rather because these clubs involve many haraam things such as swearing, neglecting prayer and gambling, and playing in them involves keeping quiet about evil with no need to stay in these places.

As for playing this game in places where no evil things are present, there is nothing wrong with that, but that is subject to conditions, for example:

1. There should be no betting.

2. There should be no swearing, name-calling, mockery or hatred.

3. It should not lead to missing obligatory duties such as prayer, seeking knowledge, and looking after one’s family, teaching them and disciplining them.

We have mentioned above that most of the fuqaha’, including Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah, regarded chess as haraam, and that those who allowed it did so only if these conditions are met. When we think about youth and the way they play, we will see that these conditions are hardly ever met.

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said concerning chess – and his words may be applied to pool billiards and other games that young people play today –:

… What is meant is that when chess distracts people from their duties, whether inwardly or outwardly, then it is haraam according to scholarly consensus. The fact that it distracts people from fulfilling their duties properly is so obvious as to need no explanation. The same applies if it distracts people from duties other than prayer, such as taking care of oneself or one’s family, or enjoining that which is good and forbidding that which is evil, or upholding the ties of kinship, or honouring one’s parents, or fulfilling one’s duties with regard to public office, etc.

It rarely happens that a person involves himself with these games and they do not distract him from some duty. It should be noted that there is scholarly consensus on the prohibition in such cases. Similarly if the game involves something that is haraam or leads to something haraam, then it is haraam according to scholarly consensus, such as if it involves lying, false oaths, cheating, or wrongdoing or helping in wrongdoing. That is haraam according to the consensus of the Muslims, even if it is in a race or contest, so how about if it is chess or dice and the like?

The same applies if it involves some other kind of evil, such as getting involved in something that may lead to immorality, or cooperating in aggression etc, or if the game attracts too many people which leads to neglecting an obligatory duty or doing something haraam. This kind of game and others like it are things that the Muslims are agreed are haraam.

Majmoo’ al-Fataawa, 32/218


With regard to the loser being the one who has to pay the table rent, this is a kind of gambling, which is haraam because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“O you who believe! Intoxicants (all kinds of alcoholic drinks), and gambling, and Al-Ansaab, and Al-Azlaam (arrows for seeking luck or decision) are an abomination of Shaytaan’s (Satan’s) handiwork. So avoid (strictly all) that (abomination) in order that you may be successful.

Shaytaan (Satan) wants only to excite enmity and hatred between you with intoxicants (alcoholic drinks) and gambling, and hinder you from the remembrance of Allaah and from As-Salaah (the prayer). So, will you not then abstain?”

[al-Maa’idah 5:90-91]

The basic principle is that the rental of this game – if it is free of haraam elements – should be paid by all the players. But the players agree that the loser will pay for himself and others, and the winners will not have to pay anything, this is what is called sabaq (prize money, winnings) and it is like betting on the game. This is not permissible according to sharee’ah, except where that has been narrated in a text in cases having to do with developing skills that are useful for jihad, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “There is no sabaq except in archery, horse-racing and camel-racing.” Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 1700; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Tirmidhi.

That applies only to archery competitions and horse and camel racing, and the scholars drew analogies to other skills that are useful in jihad. Some also allowed competitions having to do with Islamic knowledge, because that is supporting Islam, like jihad with the sword, if not more so.

The scholars of the Standing Committee were asked about playing Foosball (table soccer) and the ruling on the loser paying for the game. They said:

If the game mentioned involves images or figures for playing with and the loser pays the cost of using the game, then this is haraam for a number of reasons:

1 – This game is a kind of idle entertainment that causes the player to waste his free time and to miss neglect many of his worldly and religious interests. Playing this game may become a habit and a means that leads to worse things than that, such as forms of gambling. Everything that is like that is falsehood and is haraam according to sharee’ah.

2 – Making and keeping images and figures is a major sin, because of the saheeh ahaadeeth in which Allaah and His Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) warn those who do that of Hell and a painful torment.

3 – It is haraam for the loser to pay the cost of using the game, because this is extravagance and a waste of money by spending it on idle entertainment. Rental of the game is an invalid transaction and the owner’s earnings in this case are haraam and earning money by invalid means. So this is a major sin and a form of gambling, which is haraam.

Fataawa Islamiyyah, 4/439

And Allaah knows best.

<span style="color: #3366FF">So, they are allowed to play if there is no evil present in the room (which pretty much precludes any of them playing me) and no takes their picture. But it looks like foozball is a no go because it has little man statues in it.</span>

IslamQA.com (http://islamqa.com/en/ref/20962)

08-28-2010, 08:33 AM
Guess we'll not see a large contingent of Muslim pool players at the DCC this year. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

08-28-2010, 09:09 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deeman3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Guess we'll not see a large contingent of Muslim pool players at the DCC this year. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif </div></div>

LOL. I guess not. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif