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Gayle in MD
09-02-2010, 11:00 PM
What Bush Inherited VS. What he left
Unemployment Jan 01 4.2% Left Jan 09 7.6 Unemp.


Budget inherited 28.1 B Surplus He left 1.2T Def.



Nat. Debt inherited 5.7 T. He left 10.6 Trillion


Inherited
No ongoing Wars He left 2 raging wars

He was warned three times of impending disasters, and ignored all three warnings, leading to devastation each time.


Yet, there is a RW Propaganda machine which is actually pushing the idea that we were better off with George Bush and a Republican majority, running the show.

They ruined our country, then followed up by blocking every urgent plan to pull us out of Bush's multi economic domestic disasters, by using political obstructionism, during a critical time.

If Republicans manage to get control again, we'll see a crippled government, more of their familiar "Does not rise to the level of Impeachment" wasted millions of dollars, caused by the Republican smear machine, and the gap between the very wealthy, and the Middle Class, will grow even wider.

Our planet will be completely unprotected, and subject to the devastation of corporate pollution, and corruption, while our jobs will continue to be outsourced, by the Republican corporate machine, our taxes used to subsidize the same creeps who only care about their bottem line, and we will go back to the same Republican spending annd borrowing, while warring and cutting taxes, that put us into the mess we were in when our current president took over.


If the predictions of a sweeping return into power, of proven Republican spendoholics, along with their promise to return to the very same failed Republican policies, which created the disastrous circumstances that the current president inherited, isn's proof of the power of the Republican Propaganda machine, what more proof would any reasonable, thinking person, need.

Alcoholic Boehner, the golfing bar fly, will be third in line for the presidency.

The threat of twit Palin, or possibly Mentally ill and unbalanced Beck, actually taking over the Oval Office, could become a nightmare reality.

They are already ginning up for another Impeachment fiasco, threatening to shut down the government, and there will surely be more spending and cutting taxes, to advantage ONLY the wealthy and corrupt, which means more borrowing to pay for all of it, more sick p-eople being dropped by the corrupt insurance industry, and we know how much they love to send other people's children, to the battlefield, so, my fellow Liberals, we would surely be sunk! Sentenced to go back to massive welfare for millionaires, as we become more physically ill from their attacks on the environment.

Call your Democratic representatives, and go to work for the Democratic Party! We simply cannot let this happen.

When the MOONIE Newspaper, which is a joke to educated people, who truly are well read and informed, has the nerve to run the kind of outlandish lies, they are currently highlighting, in concert with Fox, and they begin to stir up another crippling agenda of impeachment, corporate corruption, and more needless war mongering, we cannot allow the slanderous smear machine of the Republican Party, to seize control, and continue to destroy America!

G.

LWW
09-03-2010, 02:45 AM
You are not a liberal, you are a statist.

The R congress had a last year deficit of $160B.

The D's current deficit is approximately 800% of that number.

Obama voted for the deficit he "INHERITED" while he was a senator, and in fact wanted it to be higher still.

Bush was not a RW guy, he was a statist. Had (D) followed his name you would be sing hosannas to his name.

LWW

hondo
09-03-2010, 06:13 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You are not a liberal, you are a statist.

The R congress had a last year deficit of $160B.

The D's current deficit is approximately 800% of that number.

Obama voted for the deficit he "INHERITED" while he was a senator, and in fact wanted it to be higher still.

Bush was not a RW guy, he was a statist. Had (D) followed his name you would be sing hosannas to his name.

LWW </div></div>

You are NOT a Libertarian. You are a neo-con.
And, yes, I've seen your definition of a neo-con many times.
I have also posted my definition of neo-con many times.

And because Bush had a R after his name, you spent years on AZ vehemently defending his every move.

pooltchr
09-03-2010, 06:42 AM
I find it amazing that the left can bury their collective heads in the sand, crying about Bush and completely ignoring the fact that Obama is just Bush on steroids when it comes to fiscal policy.

Do they really not see what is happening under this administration....or do they just pretend everything is ok because their party is in control?

I think somebody has put Obama on "total ignore"! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

Steve

LWW
09-03-2010, 01:29 PM
They are living in denial and creating their own revisionist history on the fly to support their own fantasy.

H refers to me as defending Bush and his every move simply because I did not disagree with Bush 100% of the time ... just as ridiculous as his fantasy that agreement with Obama at a less than a 100% clip is prima facie evidence of racism.

H's claims are based on the following:

1 - I agreed with Bush on tax cuts and disagreed with Bush for not pushing for spending cuts as well.

2 - I agreed with Bush on taking out Saddamite Hussinsein even though I disagreed with the manner in which it was done.

3 - I agreed with Bush on the surge but blamed Bush for letting the insurgency get out of hand in the first place.

4 - I agreed with Bush on taking out the Taliban but blame Bush for not incinerating AQ at Tora Bora.

5 - I belittled the simpletons and traitors who insist that our government was complicit in 9/11.

6 - I dared speak out that when the left was making the moral equivalence argument that "water boarding" at Gitmo (Holding a man down while a cup od water was poured over his face for 30 seconds after which he was allowed to recover.) and what the Jact the apanese were prosecuted for the war crime of waterboarding (Strapping a man down and shoving a funnel down his throat through which water was poured until his stomach swelled ... followed by beating him across the stomach with a club.) weren't even remotely close to equivalent.

7 - I dared to say that anyone who believes that Gitmo tactics, such as placing a caterpillar in a cell or making a detainee stand in the corner, were equivalent to Gestapo tactics was at best illiterate of history and at worst were a howling moonbat.

8 - I dared to point out that Pelosi and company were advised of the tactics in use and expressed the opinion that they weren't harsh enough.

9 - I dared to point out that it was the Clinton regime that ingrained into the media that Saddamite Hussinsein had WMD stacked up like fire wood.

10 - I dared to repeatedly quote from the authorization to use force in Iraq rather than buy into the howling moonbat rants of Olberman, Matthews, and Maddow.

That to H is considered unequivocal support of Bush.

LWW

LWW
09-03-2010, 01:53 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[You are NOT a Libertarian. You are a neo-con.
And, yes, I've seen your definition of a neo-con many times.
I have also posted my definition of neo-con many times.

And because Bush had a R after his name, you spent years on AZ vehemently defending his every move. </div></div>

Being a leftist, I know this will upset you ... but words actually do have meanings and you are not allowed your own personal dictionary of definitions for them.

It is this general lack of word comprehension that staggers me when combined with claims of being a star professor of English.

In any event, for your edification:

<span style='font-size: 20pt'>NEOCON: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neocon)</span>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Neoconservatism is a political philosophy that emerged in the United States of America, which supports using modern American economic and military power to bring liberalism, democracy, and human rights to other countries.[1][2][3] Consequently the term is chiefly applicable to certain Americans and their strong supporters.<span style='font-size: 14pt'> In economics, unlike paleoconservatives and libertarians, neoconservatives are generally comfortable with a welfare state; and, while rhetorically supportive of free markets, they are willing to interfere for overriding social purposes.</span>[4]

The term neoconservative was used at one time as a criticism against proponents of American modern liberalism who had "moved to the right".[5][6] Michael Harrington, a democratic socialist, coined the current sense of the term neoconservative in a 1973 Dissent magazine article concerning welfare policy.[7] According to E. J. Dionne, the nascent neoconservatives were driven by "the notion that liberalism" had failed and "no longer knew what it was talking about."[8] The term "neoconservative" was the subject of increased media coverage during the presidency of George W. Bush.[9][10] with particular focus on a perceived neoconservative influence on American foreign policy, as part of the Bush Doctrine.[11] The term neocon is often used as pejorative in this context.

The first major neoconservative to embrace the term, Irving Kristol, was considered a founder of the neoconservative movement. Kristol wrote of his neoconservative views in the 1979 article "Confessions of a True, Self-Confessed 'Neoconservative.'"[5] His ideas have been influential since the 1950s, when he co-founded and edited Encounter magazine.[12] Another source was Norman Podhoretz, editor of Commentary magazine from 1960 to 1995. <span style='font-size: 14pt'>By 1982 Podhoretz was calling himself a neoconservative, in a New York Times Magazine article titled "The Neoconservative Anguish over Reagan's Foreign Policy".</span></div></div>

Obviously you are a neocon and I am not.

<span style='font-size: 20pt'>LIBERTARIAN: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian)</span>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Libertarianism is advocacy of individual liberty of thought and action.[1] Libertarians oppose coercive authority, especially that of the state. Many libertarians support the non-aggression principle which holds that individuals should not infringe upon the freedom of others. Some libertarians support a minimal state (or minarchist) position and others various non-state anarchist views, such as anarcho-capitalism and left-libertarianism. </div></div>

Obviously I am a libertarian and you are not.

LWW

Sev
09-03-2010, 08:15 PM
What I find amusing was that a few brief months ago Gayle was cackling about how conservatives and republicans were nothing but a small minority in this country.

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LWW
09-04-2010, 04:12 AM
In her defense, I'm sure that those statements were the daily "TRUTH" that the party was telling her to cackle.

Oligarchies always need agitprops.

LWW

hondo
09-04-2010, 11:47 AM
LMFAO! The world according to LWW.

hondo
09-04-2010, 11:48 AM
SSDD. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/sleep.gif

LWW
09-04-2010, 08:07 PM
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a247/lww/HondoConfession.png

LWW

hondo
09-04-2010, 08:45 PM
That should be your mantra. Maybe one day it would sink in.

LWW
09-04-2010, 11:24 PM
Look up my friend ... it's circling over your head like the shine induced UFO you once saw.

LWW

Gayle in MD
09-05-2010, 09:02 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You are not a liberal, you are a statist.

The R congress had a last year deficit of $160B.

The D's current deficit is approximately 800% of that number.

Obama voted for the deficit he "INHERITED" while he was a senator, and in fact wanted it to be higher still.

Bush was not a RW guy, he was a statist. Had (D) followed his name you would be sing hosannas to his name.

LWW </div></div>

You are NOT a Libertarian. You are a neo-con.
And, yes, I've seen your definition of a neo-con many times.
I have also posted my definition of neo-con many times.

And because Bush had a R after his name, you spent years on AZ vehemently defending his every move. </div></div>


Dear Hondo,

Thanks for responding to my thread for LIBERALS.

Note, the right don't even have enough sense to stay away from places where they are not wanted or invited.

When people are expert at moving their line around, they think they can wipe out what we have seen with our own lies.

They spent years bashing us for trying to warn them of what Bush and the Republican majority was doing to this country.


They're too stuppid tpo grasp the concept of "Under The Conditions Prevailling"

They deny what actually caused the crash, NUMBER ONE REASON, GREENSPANS HOLDING DOWN INTEREST RATES AND FUELING THE HOUSING MARKET.

NUMBER TWO REASON GREEDY WALL STREET PIGS.

NUMBER THREE PREDATORY LENDERS.

They can gto back thirty years to blame a Democratic President, and completely ignore the fact that the CRA worked just fine, increaed revenues in hardship areas of the country, and helped to life many out of poverty, and prevent discrimination by banks, until Bush launched his "Ownership Society" and filed to pay for a damn thing he spent.

Now they think they can change all of that by waving that radical RW magic wand, same wand used by Bush, Cheney, Palin, McInsane, Limpballs, all of their heroes...ll stupid and all of them known proven liars, and nutjobs.

Their candidates won't even answer questions. It's the only way their handlers can cover up how stupid they are.

Sharon Angle, running from reporters.

Sara can't come out of any interview loooking like there is anything between her ears, but moosemeat.

Governor Jan, couldn't get out of a debate, and then proved her genius with 13 seconds of not even knowing where the hell she was, or what the hell she was talking about, and then running away from reporters, refusing to address her lies, or to admit to the massive lie she told about supposed beheadings in her state.

Bush, joking around in the oval office, looking under the furniture for WMD, while our troops were being slaughtered in IRaq, in a war he lied them iinto fighting.
THE MOST REPULSIVE MOMENT IN AMERICAN HISTORY!!!! SHAMEFUL!!!!

Without Conscience.....perfect description of the right.... without intelligence, honor, dignity, or courage, the courage to do what is right, and tell the truth about it.

I have no respect for anyone who seeks to blame our current president for the colossal mess Bush amd the Republican majority made of our country. The Republicans show them over and over again, that they have no clue about how to run the country, and the sheep are too stupid to realize that they are being used and exploited by their crooked party, and their stupid pundits, for one purpose only, to fill their own pockets with gold.
Logic is not one of their strong points.


Bush left us in two unfinished wars, doubled the national debt, borrowing more than all previous admins. combined, brought the shame of torture onto America's formerly honorable history, abused the Constitution, committed treason, lied to the world, including the Congress, and the AMerican People, abused his office, took more vacations than any former president, destroyed the economy, severely divided the country, broke law after law, and flew around for years with one of the biggest crooks in the country, in the ENRON JET!!!!

REagan bailed out the Savings and Loans, destroyed the Unions, committed treason, fired all the ATC's and they either deny, or try to justify all of it.

President Obama inherited the most devastating inheritance since Roosevelt, and Bush's worst Repression since the Great Depression, and now they're ready to go right back out there and vote the same dishonorable, incompetent, lying bastards back in to office, who created all of our disasters, both here and abroad.

Unbelievable!!!

What they can't stand is having to live with the fact that wwe told them all along about the very disasters Bush and the Republicans were creating.

Remember????

They said, the debts didin't matter, same week Cheney said it, then they talk about spoon fed, LMAO!!!!

Ignorance abounds among the twits, and they do follow the twittering twit from Wasilla, the Oxycontin dopehead, and the emotionally ill crying Beckster Mormoan....spelling intentional....

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G.

pooltchr
09-05-2010, 09:26 AM
I'm sure glad to find out that Frank and Dodd didn't have anything to do with it!!!!

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Steve

LWW
09-05-2010, 04:32 PM
Dear Gayle,

Thanks for continuing in your typical manner which shows zero comprehension of the meanings of the words you use.

Again, you are not a liberal nor a fan of liberty ... you are a statist who despises liberty.

But ... we all already knew that.

LWW

hondo
09-05-2010, 07:06 PM
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LWW
09-06-2010, 05:00 AM
It's not like it was difficult.

LWW

Sev
09-06-2010, 06:06 AM
I think depression may be setting in. The man child is about to be spanked in 57 days.

Somebody better put Gayle on suicide watch. It might be to much for her to handle. Its going to be all over for the Obama administration come January.

The termites on the hill will be very busy between Nov 3 and the swearing in of the new congress.

Trapped rats are their most dangerous when they are cornered.

hondo
09-06-2010, 07:54 AM
You are right. But, it's going to be a zoo when the Party of No gains the majority.
We'll see gridlock like we've never seen gridlock.
Partisan politics continues to destroy America.

hondo
09-06-2010, 07:58 AM
BTW, congrats for not using "disingenuous" for 3 whole days now.

They say that breaking up is hard to do. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

pooltchr
09-06-2010, 09:48 AM
How much would you bet that when the Reps take over the majority in congress, that the Dems will become known as the party of no??

Steve

Sev
09-06-2010, 10:07 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You are right. But, it's going to be a zoo when the Party of No gains the majority.
We'll see gridlock like we've never seen gridlock.
Partisan politics continues to destroy America. </div></div>

4 things I want.

1. Obama care repealed.
2. Finance reform repealed.
3. Whats left of the TARP money returned to China.
4. Complete gridlock for the next 2 years.

Gayle in MD
09-06-2010, 10:24 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You are right. But, it's going to be a zoo when the Party of No gains the majority.
We'll see gridlock like we've never seen gridlock.
Partisan politics continues to destroy America. </div></div>


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Yet inexorably the Koch agenda is morphing into the G.O.P. agenda, as articulated by current Republican members of Congress, including the putative next speaker of the House, John Boehner, and Tea Party Senate candidates like Rand Paul, Sharron Angle, and the new kid on the block, Alaska’s anti-Medicaid, anti-unemployment insurance Palin protégé, Joe Miller. Their program opposes a federal deficit, but has no objection to running up trillions in red ink in tax cuts to corporations and the superrich; apologizes to corporate malefactors like BP and derides money put in escrow for oil spill victims as a “slush fund”; opposes the extension of unemployment benefits; and calls for a freeze on federal regulations in an era when abuses in the oil, financial, mining, pharmaceutical and even egg industries (among others) have been outrageous.

The Koch brothers must be laughing all the way to the bank knowing that working Americans are aiding and abetting their selfish interests. And surely Murdoch is snickering at those protesting the “ground zero mosque.” Last week on “Fox and Friends,” the Bush administration flacks Dan Senor and Dana Perino attacked a supposedly terrorism-tainted Saudi prince whose foundation might contribute to the Islamic center. But as “The Daily Show” keeps pointing out, these Fox bloviators never acknowledge that the evil prince they’re bashing, Walid bin Talal, is not only the biggest non-Murdoch shareholder in Fox News’s parent company (he owns 7 percent of News Corporation) and the recipient of Murdoch mammoth investments in Saudi Arabia but also the subject of lionization elsewhere on Fox.

No less a Murdoch factotum than Neil Cavuto slobbered over bin Talal in a Fox Business Channel interview as recently as January, with nary a question about his supposed terrorist ties. Instead, bin Talal praised Obama’s stance on terrorism and even endorsed the Democrats’ goal of universal health insurance. Do any of the Fox-watching protestors at the “ground zero mosque” know that Fox’s profits are flowing to a Obama-sympathizing Saudi billionaire in bed with Murdoch? As Jon Stewart summed it up, the protestors who want “to cut off funding to the ‘terror mosque’ ” are aiding that funding by watching Fox and enhancing bin Talal’s News Corp. holdings.

When wolves of Murdoch’s ingenuity and the Kochs’ stealth have been at the door of our democracy in the past, Democrats have fought back fiercely. Franklin Roosevelt’s triumphant 1936 re-election campaign pummeled the Liberty League as a Republican ally eager to “squeeze the worker dry in his old age and cast him like an orange rind into the refuse pail.” When John Kennedy’s patriotism was assailed by Birchers calling for impeachment, he gave a major speech denouncing their “crusades of suspicion.” </div></div>


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pooltchr
09-06-2010, 11:01 AM
As miserable as you seem to be right now, I hope you are prepared for it to be even worse when those you find to be beneath you take over the majority of congress.

Hope you have enjoyed the past few years, because they are about to come to an end.

The majority of Americans do not agree with your radical leftists.

Steve

hondo
09-06-2010, 12:34 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How much would you bet that when the Reps take over the majority in congress, that the Dems will become known as the party of no??

Steve </div></div>

My point exactly if you'd only pay attention once in a while.

hondo
09-06-2010, 12:35 PM
Why on earth would you want number 4?
What's left of this once great country would be destroyed by then.

hondo
09-06-2010, 12:37 PM
Do you think you'll enjoy the next few years, stevie?
Sev has stated that he hopes we go to hell in a handbasket.
Will that make you happy, also?

pooltchr
09-06-2010, 01:17 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do you think you'll enjoy the next few years, stevie?
Sev has stated that he hopes we go to hell in a handbasket.
Will that make you happy, also? </div></div>

If you would pay attention once in a while, rather than spending your time trying to hurl insults, or make yourself look cute in front of your friends, you would know better.

But, since you seem to have memory problems, I will refresh yours for you. What would make me happy is for the American people to wake up to the fact that neither the Dems nor the Reps have their best interest at heart, and start to make changes in the kind of people we send to Washington. The time has come to dismantle, or just eradicate, the two major parties, and start electing people who will actually represent those who put them in office.

We have had a total disaster with a dem congress and white house for the past two years. Electing Reps isn't going to make it any better, since the dems, as you pointed out, will simply fight everything they try to do. Getting rid of all of them is the only hope we have.

Steve

hondo
09-06-2010, 01:44 PM
Good to hear. You'd never know it, however, with all your posts gleefully predicting a Republican romp.

pooltchr
09-06-2010, 02:28 PM
Gleeful, only from the standpoint that, right now, it's the only thing that can prevent this administration from completely destroying the country. Either party having total control is not good for the country.
Gridlock in Washington is the best we can hope for at the moment.

I always feel safest when congress is in recess. At least I know they aren't doing anything stupid!

Steve

Sev
09-06-2010, 02:46 PM
Gridlock is what the founders had in mind.

hondo
09-06-2010, 03:34 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Gridlock is what the founders had in mind. </div></div>

You are so wrong, Sev.
We became a great nation through action.

You appear to be a very bitter, cynical individual.

Would you like me to pray for you?

LWW
09-06-2010, 04:23 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why on earth would you want number 4?
What's left of this once great country would be destroyed by then. </div></div>

Do you honestly believe the US can't function without Washington micro managing everything?

LWW

Gayle in MD
09-06-2010, 04:24 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You are not a liberal, you are a statist.

The R congress had a last year deficit of $160B.

The D's current deficit is approximately 800% of that number.

Obama voted for the deficit he "INHERITED" while he was a senator, and in fact wanted it to be higher still.

Bush was not a RW guy, he was a statist. Had (D) followed his name you would be sing hosannas to his name.

LWW </div></div>

You are NOT a Libertarian. You are a neo-con.
And, yes, I've seen your definition of a neo-con many times.
I have also posted my definition of neo-con many times.

And because Bush had a R after his name, you spent years on AZ vehemently defending his every move. </div></div>

And years since denying government charts, and common knowledge of how Bush destroyed this country, with failed Republican policies, which economists all over the world have written about.

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2009/01/20/stories/2009012050060900.htm

Sev
09-06-2010, 06:29 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Gridlock is what the founders had in mind. </div></div>

You are so wrong, Sev.
We became a great nation through action.

You appear to be a very bitter, cynical individual.

Would you like me to pray for you? </div></div>

Yes we did. It was done through small government and limited laws. The last thing they wanted was a government that would grow and become like the monarchy they just freed themselves from.

The founders would declare war on the USA of today.