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Qtec
09-08-2010, 04:06 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <span style='font-size: 17pt'>California regulators seek up to $9.9 billion in fines from PacifiCare.</span>

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>The health insurer violated state law nearly 1 million times</span> from 2006 to 2008 <span style="color: #3333FF"> How many people did they kill?</span>after it was bought by UnitedHealth Group, the Department of Insurance says.

California regulators are seeking fines of up to $9.9 billion from health insurer PacifiCare over allegations that <u>it repeatedly mismanaged medical claims, lost thousands of patient documents, failed to pay doctors what they were owed and ignored calls to fix the problems.</u>

In court filings and other documents, the California Department of Insurance says PacifiCare violated state law nearly 1 million times from 2006 to 2008 after it was purchased by UnitedHealth Group Inc., the nation's largest health insurance company by revenue.

Regulators said the companies broke promises to maintain smooth operations for 130,000 of PacifiCare's customers, resulting in what insurance officials nationwide believe is the largest fine ever sought against a U.S. health insurer.

<span style='font-size: 17pt'>"This is about intentional disregard for the interests of doctors, hospitals and patients in California, and the pursuit of cutting costs at any means possible,"</span> said Adam Cole, the insurance department's general counsel. <span style='font-size: 20pt'>"It's a story of intense corporate greed." </span></div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The insurers maintain that the state's case largely involves administrative errors that did little harm to anyone. </div></div>

link (http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-pacificare-unitedhealth-20100908,0,6380098.story)

These are the 'Good Ol Days' that the GOP want to turn the clock back to.

Q

LWW
09-08-2010, 04:14 AM
They were regulated by the demokook dominated state of California and not the federal government, but thanks for giving a pass to those who should have been watching while bleating B-B-B-BUT B-B-B-BOOOOSH!!!!

LWW

eg8r
09-08-2010, 05:34 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">These are the 'Good Ol Days' that the GOP want to turn the clock back to.
</div></div>Like normal, your post goes down hill when you open your mouth. I agree if the allegations are correct then it is corporate greed and they should be forced to pay every dime of the fines. However then I keep reading and see the schmuck you really are. The GOP has never stood for Corporations breaking the law.

What happens with a good portion of your posts is that there is some sort of common sense, cognitive thinking from the authors you quote, but then that combined with your subject headings and your own commentary does it all become a pile of crap.

eg8r

pooltchr
09-08-2010, 06:42 AM
Correct, Ed. IF the charges are correct, they should be punished accordingly. But looking at the root cause of the problem, one would need to determine if the problem was corporate greed, over regulation resulting in massive inefficiency, failed oversight, management incompetence, or some combination of all the above.

When you are anti business, the first conclusion would be the one that Q seems to have reached. When you actually look for the truth before you draw your conclusions, you might come up with a very different option.

They see what they want to see.

Steve

Gayle in MD
09-08-2010, 07:04 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <span style='font-size: 17pt'>California regulators seek up to $9.9 billion in fines from PacifiCare.</span>

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>The health insurer violated state law nearly 1 million times</span> from 2006 to 2008 <span style="color: #3333FF"> How many people did they kill?</span>after it was bought by UnitedHealth Group, the Department of Insurance says.

California regulators are seeking fines of up to $9.9 billion from health insurer PacifiCare over allegations that <u>it repeatedly mismanaged medical claims, lost thousands of patient documents, failed to pay doctors what they were owed and ignored calls to fix the problems.</u>

In court filings and other documents, the California Department of Insurance says PacifiCare violated state law nearly 1 million times from 2006 to 2008 after it was purchased by UnitedHealth Group Inc., the nation's largest health insurance company by revenue.

Regulators said the companies broke promises to maintain smooth operations for 130,000 of PacifiCare's customers, resulting in what insurance officials nationwide believe is the largest fine ever sought against a U.S. health insurer.

<span style='font-size: 17pt'>"This is about intentional disregard for the interests of doctors, hospitals and patients in California, and the pursuit of cutting costs at any means possible,"</span> said Adam Cole, the insurance department's general counsel. <span style='font-size: 20pt'>"It's a story of intense corporate greed." </span></div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The insurers maintain that the state's case largely involves administrative errors that did little harm to anyone. </div></div>

link (http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-pacificare-unitedhealth-20100908,0,6380098.story)

These are the 'Good Ol Days' that the GOP want to turn the clock back to.

Q

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There's no question that corporate greed is behind most of the serious problems we have in our country, including all of the lost and wasted billions in Iraq, burning oil rigs, and massive spills, birth defects and high cancer rates from Republicans failing completely to protec the environment, health care and insurance, with profits as their only goal, and no concern for their ill customers. Corporate money is out there buying the crooks they are in cahoots with, again, in order to continue to drain the economy by hiding their money offshore, prosecuting greedy and corrupt business practices, as in the oil industry, even no bid contracts awarded to their former business associates, in a pointless war in which only their business associates, and our enemies, gained power, ala Bush/Cheney/Rice, etc.

The result is a dying Middle class, and a dying planet.....literally and economically...

If the corporate CEO's were contributing enough for their employees Health Care insurance, instead of just stuffing more billions into their own pockets, and Republicans hadn't launched a war on Unions for decades, and giving Amnesty to illegals, in order to provide cheap labor for their cronies, the Middle Class wouldn't not be a dying breed right now.

All of that corporate money behind the Tea Party is nothing but millionaires and billionaires, buying the nutty right for their own purposes, greed, and corruption is an ugly thing to watch, particularly when it is flowing into the Gulf in the form of a a massive oil spill, and Republicans are defending the very criminals who caused the problem, while bashing the President for saying, "Hold on here! Stop unti we can check up on the rest of them, and prevent more disastrous environmental and economic consequences resulting from their greed and negligence, and then we see a RW, activist judge, heavily invested in oil, nixing the President, for not being a tool of the industry he is invested in!

What can we expect when the Republicans can enlist their own propaganda "News" (LMAO) corporation, to twist facts and lie about Scientific Studies, and everything else that the greedy and corrupt are doing to America. As RW Activist S.C. judges, award the offenders, even MORE power to corrupt the democratic process!

It's all very disgusting.
G.

pooltchr
09-08-2010, 07:10 AM
So, where did all the Soros money behind the Dem party come from?

Steve

hondo
09-09-2010, 06:43 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They were regulated by the demokook dominated state of California and not the federal government, but thanks for giving a pass to those who should have been watching while bleating B-B-B-BUT B-B-B-BOOOOSH!!!!

LWW </div></div>


Like normal, your post goes down hill when you open your mouth.

Qtec
09-09-2010, 09:22 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Like normal, your post goes down hill when you open your mouth. I agree if the allegations are correct then it is corporate greed and they should be forced to pay every dime of the fines. </div></div>

How many of them go to jail after being found guilty of fraud?

None?

Rick Scott, was the CEO of a HC Comp that paid record fines for defrauding the taxpayer and he has now won the Rep nomination, that says a lot to me.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It was one of the nastiest primaries anyone could remember in Florida. Scott and McCollum spent millions attacking each other Scott with his own fortune and McCollum with a great deal of third party group money. </div></div>

watch it (http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/why-rick-scott-running-governor-florida-adh)



Q

eg8r
09-09-2010, 09:25 AM
I don't care what it says to you. Your subject headings and commentary usually screw everything up.

eg8r

Qtec
09-09-2010, 09:28 AM
What does it say to YOU?

Q

Gayle in MD
09-09-2010, 09:45 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What does it say to YOU?

Q </div></div>


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Remember this? This is Rachel Maddow's stellar segment on the "Swiftboat Veterans for Unaffordable Insurance", aka Rick Scott's organization, Conservatives for Patients Rights, the AstroTurf anti-health care reform group who led the opposition to any and all efforts to reform the health care system last year. As Rachel opined,<span style='font-size: 14pt'> "Having Rick Scott as your spokesman for health care reform is like having the eColi bacterium as your spokesman against handwashing."</span>


Scott's involvement in Conservatives for Patients' Rights is just his latest venture. The real reason <span style='font-size: 14pt'>Floridians would be insane to even consider electing this man? </span>His leadership of the Columbia/HCA hospital chain.

Columbia/HCA didn't just scheme to defraud Medicare a little bit. They <span style='font-size: 14pt'>schemed to commit fraud on a mega-fraud basis.</span> And it wasn't just insurance companies <span style='font-size: 14pt'>they tried to rip off. It was Medicare, Medicaid, and even TRICARE, the health plan that covers our veterans.</span> It wasn't only overbilling, either. Here's a partial list:

Intentional year-end record <span style='font-size: 14pt'>fraud </span>alleging payments from the government less than actually received, <span style='font-size: 14pt'>leaving the government with the burden </span>of overpaying them.
Payment of <span style='font-size: 14pt'>kickbacks </span>to providers to <span style='font-size: 14pt'>inflate claims </span>billed to <span style='font-size: 14pt'>Medicare, Medicaid and TRICARE. </span>Billing costs to the government which were not allowed.
<span style='font-size: 14pt'>Inflating the cost </span>of transferring patients from HCA facilities to other, non-HCA facilities.
<span style='font-size: 14pt'>Inflating claims for indigent patients.
Paying kickbacks for diabetes patients. </span>
<span style='font-size: 14pt'>Overbilling states for Medicaid patients.
The entire list and summary of the case is on the DOJ website.</span>
Columbia/HCA settled the morass of fraud claims for <span style='font-size: 14pt'>$1.7 billion, the largest-ever settlement of a Medicare fraud investigation.</span>
Scott will be quick to jump in and remind anyone who raises the Columbia/HCA fraud settlement as an issue that <span style='font-size: 14pt'>he personally was not charged with any crime.</span> While that may be true, it is also true that the company was <span style='font-size: 14pt'>under HIS leadership,</span> and it was a publicly-owned corporation at the time.

Not only was the <span style='font-size: 14pt'>government taken for a ride, shareholders were, too.</span> When <span style='font-size: 14pt'>Scott resigned, he took his multi-million dollar golden parachute and waved goodbye to the mess he left behind.</span> The only ones <span style='font-size: 14pt'>holding the bag at that point were the shareholders. After a painful cleanup and stock buyout making the company privately-held again, Hospital Corporation of America (HCA) is poised for another $4.6 billion public offering.</span>
<span style='font-size: 14pt'>This is the man who thinks he can lead Florida. The man who led a company while that company was busy defrauding the federal government now wants to lead a state. Even more concerning, his candidacy is actually getting some traction, leading me to once again ask this question:</span>
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<span style='font-size: 14pt'>I'll take over here....why do Republican supporters vote against their own best interests????????


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eg8r
09-09-2010, 10:01 AM
What does "what" say to me? I said if they are found guilty then they should have to pay. What more do you want to hear? Some ridiculous statement matching yours so that you feel better about yourself? Sorry, it won't happen...

eg8r