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Gayle in MD
09-15-2010, 10:39 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why do so many Americans pay no income taxes?15 April
Today many are discussing how many Americans do not owe income taxes. The traditional debate splits along partisan lines. Many Republicans and conservatives argue it is both unfair and politically dangerous to have (almost half / more than one-third, depending on whos measuring) of Americans not owing any income taxes. Many Democrats argue the rich should pay more, and that its good that low and even moderate-income people owe no income taxes.
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I wonder how many Republican Members of Congress remember that they are, in large part, responsible for this outcome?</span> </div></div>



<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Behind closed doors Republicans split on the per-child tax credit. Economic types oppose it or hold their noses. Social/family conservatives vigorously support it, as does almost anyone running for office.

Its easy for Republicans to complain today about the end result. They (we) have an out in that they can point to the EITC as one of the causes. <span style='font-size: 14pt'>But much of this outcome is driven by tax policy changes initiated and expanded by Republicans.</span>
If you wanted to work within the current income tax system and reverse some of this trend, broadening the income-taxpaying base, youd be hard pressed to get a big effect just by raising the bottom rates. To affect millions of people youd need to either scale back EITC or the per-child tax credit. I think both are highly unlikely.



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http://keithhennessey.com/2010/04/15/off-the-rolls/

Deeman3
09-15-2010, 01:44 PM
So, are we going to band together and demand that the 50% of the people who pay not taxes do so? I'll stand up and demand that the few millionaires who skirt taxes pay up if you'll get the bulk of the low income people who make up most of the non-payers. Of course, we'd have to get the Obama staff to start paying theirs as well. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

LWW
09-16-2010, 03:43 AM
G doesn't even realize what she just confessed ... that the evil Bush tax cuts gave the working poor a 100% tax cut.

But, in her defense she is merely regurgitating the party line pap trying to find something that will convince someone that the party's lies are "TRUTH" that should be heeded.

I expect her to become ever more hysterical as judgement day approaches.

LWW

Chopstick
09-16-2010, 04:58 AM
It was the bloodsucking Democrats that invented the income tax in the first place. This country got by for over a hundred years without one and did just fine. Now all the sudden they just can't tax us enough. There are still states that have no income tax. The states that have the worst debt problems are also the ones that have the highest state taxes.

The problem is not who is or is not paying taxes. It is people in power that think there is nothing wrong with taking money away from you and spending it on whatever they like.

Gayle in MD
09-16-2010, 05:57 AM
If the problem is not who isn't paying taxes, that nsty 50% you folks blame everything on, then why does the right on here conintuously bring up the supposed theory that the problem is that 50% who don't pay taxes.

I post about why that came about, Republican policies, and you go back hundreds of years to try to blame the other party?

LOL... /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

The subject of this thread, is abbout that 50%, annd how it came about.

Any comments on that?

G.

Gayle in MD
09-16-2010, 06:09 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deeman3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So, are we going to band together and demand that the 50% of the people who pay not taxes do so? I'll stand up and demand that the few millionaires who skirt taxes pay up if you'll get the bulk of the low income people who make up most of the non-payers. Of course, we'd have to get the Obama staff to start paying theirs as well. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif </div></div>

The few millionaires? LMAO.

Seems to me I read a statistic from the IRS, 6 to 12 trillion dollars, hidden offshore, by those beloved RW millionaires and billionaires....


Irrational comparisons, always follow when I shine some light on the usual RW whining designed to blame the Dems for everything the Repubs actually did....then come the irrational comparisons...like we did't have income taxes 200 years ago? LOL, we didn't have highways, steel and concrete bridges, tunnels under the bays, a massive military, the largest in the world, apace programs...

dollar for dollar, it is the wealthy who are stealiong from you, Deeman, not the piddly 50% created by Republican tax policies, which you righties are always whining about.

G.

Chopstick
09-16-2010, 06:29 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If the problem is not who isn't paying taxes, that nsty 50% you folks blame everything on, then why does the right on here conintuously bring up the supposed theory that the problem is that 50% who don't pay taxes.

I post about why that came about, Republican policies, and you go back hundreds of years to try to blame the other party?

LOL... /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

The subject of this thread, is abbout that 50%, annd how it came about.

Any comments on that?

G. </div></div>

The article is about tax deductions. Have you ever taken a tax deduction? If you feel guilty about it just send the money back. This whole idea of inciting class warfare will not hold water. If you taxed the so called rich at 100% it would run the government for one single day. Who are you going to tax the second day? The problem has nothing to do with taxes. It is government spending.

It was not hundreds of years ago, it was 97 years ago.

Gayle in MD
09-16-2010, 07:09 AM
I am not advocating a 100% tax on anyone. I joked with Deeman about that.

Regardless of your wish to live in the best country in the world, and not have to pay for that priveledge, the of this thread is that for years you guys have blamed Republicans for the 50% who you say don'p pay taxes, and here I am showing you through this link, that Republican policies created that scenario...

Further, as I have said many times, no country can survive, when the top one percent owns over 90% of the wealth.

I'd say our economists, are not trying to incite class warfare. It is a historical FACT, that when the top one percent, owns over ninety percent of the wealth, and the Middle Class loses ground, while the wealthy contiinue to own more and more of the pie, the economy collapses.

I don't care when it was, it is irrational to think that in this day and time, our country could exist without income taxes. totally absurd! Show me how that would work....


G.

Chopstick
09-16-2010, 09:16 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am not advocating a 100% tax on anyone. I joked with Deeman about that.

Regardless of your wish to live in the best country in the world, and not have to pay for that priveledge, the of this thread is that for years you guys have blamed Republicans for the 50% who you say don'p pay taxes, and here I am showing you through this link, that Republican policies created that scenario...

Further, as I have said many times, no country can survive, when the top one percent owns over 90% of the wealth.

I'd say our economists, are not trying to incite class warfare. It is a historical FACT, that when the top one percent, owns over ninety percent of the wealth, and the Middle Class loses ground, while the wealthy contiinue to own more and more of the pie, the economy collapses.

I don't care when it was, it is irrational to think that in this day and time, our country could exist without income taxes. totally absurd! Show me how that would work....


G. </div></div>

America is about wealth creation not wealth redistribution. Those wealthy people created the wealth they have and they should be left alone. Wealth is not a finite resource to be divided up among the masses. There was no wealth in America when we got here. Everyone has the right and the freedom to go create their own.

eg8r
09-16-2010, 10:16 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">dollar for dollar, it is the wealthy who are stealiong from you,</div></div>LOL, then you steal every time you take a deduction. What a hypocrite.

eg8r

bamadog
09-16-2010, 01:25 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Further, as I have said many times, no country can survive, when the top one percent owns over 90% of the wealth.

I'd say our economists, are not trying to incite class warfare. It is a historical FACT, that when the top one percent, owns over ninety percent of the wealth, and the Middle Class loses ground, while the wealthy contiinue to own more and more of the pie, the economy collapses.



G. </div></div>

Why do you keep repeating this lie?

"The Wealth Distribution

In the United States, wealth is highly concentrated in a relatively few hands. As of 2007, the top 1% of households (the upper class) owned 34.6% of all privately held wealth, and the next 19% (the managerial, professional, and small business stratum) had 50.5%, which means that just 20% of the people owned a remarkable 85%, leaving only 15% of the wealth for the bottom 80% (wage and salary workers). In terms of financial wealth (total net worth minus the value of one's home), the top 1% of households had an even greater share: 42.7%. Table 1 and Figure 1 present further details drawn from the careful work of economist Edward N. Wolff at New York University (2010)."

http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html

Chopstick
09-16-2010, 01:47 PM
<span style="color: #000099">Well, this seems out of line.</span>

http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/images/wealth/Figure_7.gif

Table 4: Percentage of wealth held in 2000 by the Top 10% of the adult population in various Western countries wealth owned by top 10%

Switzerland 71.3%
United States 69.8%
Denmark 65.0%
France 61.0%
Sweden 58.6%
UK 56.0%
Canada 53.0%
Norway 50.5%
Germany 44.4%
Finland 42.3%

<span style="color: #000099">Wait a minute. How did those socialist utopias get on this list?</span>

Deeman3
09-16-2010, 03:42 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chopstick [/quote</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

America (was) about wealth creation not wealth redistribution. Those wealthy people created the wealth they have and they should be left alone. Wealth (was) not a finite resource to be divided up among the masses. There was no wealth in America when we got here. Everyone (had) the right and the freedom to go create their own. </div></div>


<span style="color: #FF0000">I fixed it to meet the Obama agenda. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif </span>

Gayle in MD
09-17-2010, 01:47 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deeman3</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chopstick </div></div>

America (was) about wealth creation not wealth redistribution. Those wealthy people created the wealth they have and they should be left alone. Wealth (was) not a finite resource to be divided up among the masses. There was no wealth in America when we got here. Everyone (had) the right and the freedom to go create their own. [/quote</div><div class="ubbcode-body">


<span style="color: #FF0000">I fixed it to meet the Obama agenda. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif </span> </div></div>


Under Bush the median family income of the Middle Class declined by 22 hundred dollars a year, over an eight year period.



Millions lost their health care and millions slipped into poverty.

The top one percent earned twenty-three and a half percent of all of the income.

Top on tenth of one percent gained 11 percent of all of the income.

The top one percent earns more of the income than the bottom 50%.

And Mitch McConnell just said that the rich were the ones that suffered the most in the recession.

Republicans want a 700 billion dollars in tax breaks for millionaires and billionaires at a time when the top one percent already owns twenty-three percent of the income.


Republicans want less regulation of banking, oil, hedge funds, etc., and more ta cuts for the rich.

If Republicans get back in control, they've already said, we will go right back to the Bush era, which means further record breaking earmark spending, and greater debts....and we will be a country of the rich, and the poor, with no one in between.

Not a single Republican stood up for small businesses in these last months, until this week, only two, and McConnell and Boehner have fought against helping small businesses all along, then turned right around and accused the president of not improving things faster, whie they have blocked everything for the whole year...

Republicans have blocked everything Dems wanted to do for small businesses while knowing all along that two thirds of the job recovery will come from small businesses.

The small business administration was doing a great job, working with community banks, putting forth surplus money to push loans to small businesses, but they ran out of money, in June, and many of the programs Dems had put forth to help small businesses needed more funding, Republicans blocked it, and recently blocked a bill to give tax cuts to small businesses, without extending tax cuts for the rich.


Republicans were refusing to even go to the Bill to aid small businesses....they blocked it from the floor.


Hey, this is a no brainer....Repubs have held back recovery for political gain. PERIOD!

Republicans ONLY represent the wealthy.

Always have and always will, and they BS their followers with all of their small government BS, but NEVER have they stopped spending, and NEVER have they stopped growing the govenment.

But, the sheep keep bah bah bahing along. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

Gayle in MD
09-17-2010, 02:54 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chopstick</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am not advocating a 100% tax on anyone. I joked with Deeman about that.

Regardless of your wish to live in the best country in the world, and not have to pay for that priveledge, the of this thread is that for years you guys have blamed Republicans for the 50% who you say don'p pay taxes, and here I am showing you through this link, that Republican policies created that scenario...

Further, as I have said many times, no country can survive, when the top one percent owns over 90% of the wealth.

I'd say our economists, are not trying to incite class warfare. It is a historical FACT, that when the top one percent, owns over ninety percent of the wealth, and the Middle Class loses ground, while the wealthy contiinue to own more and more of the pie, the economy collapses.

I don't care when it was, it is irrational to think that in this day and time, our country could exist without income taxes. totally absurd! Show me how that would work....


G. </div></div>

America is about wealth creation not wealth redistribution. Those wealthy people created the wealth they have and they should be left alone. Wealth is not a finite resource to be divided up among the masses. There was no wealth in America when we got here. Everyone has the right and the freedom to go create their own. </div></div>

Those wealthy people trashed the environement. Participated in War profiteering. Hid much of the money they should have paid taxes on in offshore accounts. Outsourced American jobs, while racking up subsidies. Promoted the biggest Wall Street Ponzi scheme in history. Threw out sick people when they became ill. Hiked up medical costs, while the Middle Class, and the reired American workers, had to chose between fod, or their medicine.

Pahleeeeze, don't hand me that libertarian BS. Put it on a blackboard, becausse that's the only place where it works, just like Meghan McCain said.
Smart gal...
G.

LWW
09-17-2010, 04:35 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If the problem is not who isn't paying taxes, that nsty 50% you folks blame everything on, then why does the right on here conintuously bring up the supposed theory that the problem is that 50% who don't pay taxes.

I post about why that came about, Republican policies, and you go back hundreds of years to try to blame the other party?

LOL... /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

The subject of this thread, is abbout that 50%, annd how it came about.

Any comments on that?

G. </div></div>D+ on spin.

The issue hasn't been that 50%+ pay no tax ... it is a staple of conservatism that the poor not be laden with a burden which grinds them between the twin millstones of taxation and inflation as that prohibits them from ever accumulating the capital to improve their lot in life.

What the issue has been is that 50%+ of the population count on the state for their subsistence ... it has long been a staple of statism that a permanent and socially immobile underclass be implemented.

Your posts are proof again that you don't even understand the ideology of Statism/Marxism/Socialism/Oligarchy much less the ideology of capitalism/liberty.

LWW