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Gayle in MD
09-16-2010, 06:21 AM
Since some people do not know the definition of the word, Amnesty, and don't realize that only Rondal Reagann gave away Amnesty, there is no Democrat, not one single one, who is advocating for "Amnesty."

I posted the definition for the word, "Amnesty" some time back, but there are some folks that will intentionally distort the language in order to spread around their party's propaganda....that's how we got terms like, "Ethically Challenged" for crooks, "Food Challenged" for the hungry and "Mission Accomplished" touted in the early months of a seven year plus, irrational war campaign, incompetently fought, with disastrous econoomic results, from which we may never recover or escape.... /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

Immigration reform, a serious on-going problem for our country, is being discussed, because the illegal population has been a devastating problem for us economically, and in many other ways.

Illegal Immigrants flooded into our country, due to Ronald Reagan, whosese amnesty policy created the problem we are facing right now.

Since Republicans never clean up the messes they always leave in their wake, solving our illegal immigration problem, must be addressed, but like everything else, Republicans are blocking that effort, for political purposes.

G.

G.

pooltchr
09-16-2010, 07:29 AM
You just go ahead and keep telling yourself that.

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Oh, yeah. When the dems do it, it's not amnesty....it's a
"path to citizenship for illegal aliens"

I suppose you support Harry Reid tacking his "it's not really amnesty" bill to a military spending bill???


Steve

jimmyg
09-16-2010, 09:22 AM
The 11,867th post from the "Minister Of Propaganda." /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

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Chopstick
09-16-2010, 02:01 PM
Well, maybe you ought to let Harry Reid know the definition of the word and that you just posted that there is no amnesty policy by any Dem cuz he had a press conference saying that there wuz.


September 15, 2010 (MMD Newswire) -- ALIPAC is once again rallying Americans to call the US Senate to oppose Senator Reid's Dream Act Amnesty legislation, which is inappropriately being placed into a defense spending bill and against Reid's racist comments about Hispanics in the military, while endorsing Reid's opponent Sharron Angle.

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>Senator Harry Reid announced at a press conference yesterday that he plans to insert the Dream Act Amnesty, dubbed by ALIPAC as the Nightmare Act, into a defense bill. <span style="color: #FF0000">The Dream Act would provide Amnesty for millions of illegal aliens </span>under the age of 30 who claim they entered the US when they were young and claim they intend to go to college.</span>

"Senator Reid's attempt to pass Amnesty shortly before the November elections is a sign of desperation," said William Gheen of ALIPAC. "The more he pushes the Dream Act, the more Democrats across America will pay at the ballot box in November. Reid and amnesty backing groups know that the American public is about to cancel their Amnesty plans on November 2 and are desperately trying to thwart the will of the public by taking action before the elections."

Only 22% of voters support the Dream Act Amnesty proposal originally introduced by Senator Dick Durbin (D-IL) and 59% of all voters oppose the Dream Act concept according to Rasmussen polling conducted in October of 2007.

pooltchr
09-16-2010, 02:47 PM
Someone please pass the popcorn. The back peddling, spin, and attempts at diversion are about to begin.

This should be good!

Steve

hondo
09-16-2010, 03:52 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jimmyg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The 11,867th post from the "Minister Of Propaganda." /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

J </div></div>

Man, did I have you wrong! You've done nothing but attack since you've been on here.

My apologies, fellow BDers. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/blush.gif

pooltchr
09-16-2010, 05:26 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jimmyg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The 11,867th post from the "Minister Of Propaganda." /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

J </div></div>

Man, did I have you wrong! You've done nothing but attack since you've been on here.

My apologies, fellow BDers. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/blush.gif </div></div>

I'm sure it's not allowed, otherwise a fair and balanced poster like yourself would have to agree that the title of this thread has been proven to be nothing but false propaganda.

Steve

Gayle in MD
09-17-2010, 01:06 AM
They get worse when they're wrong, which explains why they're always so nasty.

There is no Amnesty Bill. There is no Democratic effort to award amnesty to all illegal immigrants.

Only Reagan did that.

Their "facts" are never correct. They only present FOXTOIDS, Limpballed in from Beckistan, and approved by the Palinban, lol.
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G.

Gayle in MD
09-17-2010, 01:07 AM
It isn't amnesty. Posting what others have written about it, does not make it amnesty. It is to be the first step for immigration reform.

Too bad the right can't see that Republican policies have created everything they're complaining about, from the deregulation while oil was flowing in the Gulf, and the stock market beame a ponzi scheme, to the voodoo Reaganomics, that led to the near depression, the nation building, which has put Iraq in the money, while our own infrastructure crumbles, the tax cuts to create more jobless, and the illegal immigration exodus that Reagan ushered in with his Amnesty.

Repubs don't want immigration reform, they want those beloved corporations to have plenty of slave labor right here in America!

G.

hondo
09-17-2010, 04:06 AM
LOL! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

LWW
09-17-2010, 04:55 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><u><span style='font-size: 17pt'>Key lawmaker sees 200 House Dems backing immigration bill</span></u>
By Jordan Fabian - 07/14/10 08:25 AM ET
A key House Democrat said Wednesday that 200 of his colleagues support his immigration reform legislation </div></div>

The bill G refers to was the "Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986" and was sponsored by Senator Alan K Simpson (DEMOKOOK).

The demokooks in the house voted 168 yea and 61 nay. Republichickens voted 70 yea and 112 nay.

Reagan signed the bill on the premise that the gubmint would actually enforce it. It has not, and currently the regime is in court seeking an order to ban enforcement of the law.

TRUTH (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/108657-key-lawmaker-sees-200-house-dems-who-support-immigration-bill) is to a statist (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d099:SN01200:@@@S|TOM:/bss/d099query.html) what a stake through the heart is to a vampire.

LWW

Chopstick
09-17-2010, 07:05 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It isn't amnesty.

G. </div></div>


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Gayle in MD
09-17-2010, 07:13 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Matthew Chandler, a spokesman for the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), said the memo was borne out of brainstorming sessions and that the ideas were first proposed after comprehensive immigration legislation, backed by then-President George W. Bush, failed in 2007.


Internal draft memos and deliberations should not be mistaken for official department policy, USCIS spokesman Christopher Bentley said in a statement.


“As a matter of good government, U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) will discuss just about every issue that comes within the purview of the immigration system,” Bentley said.


“Internal memoranda help us do the thinking that leads to important changes; some of them are adopted and others are rejected. Our goal is to implement policies wisely and well to strengthen all aspects of our mission.”


Comprehensive immigration reform, coupled with border security, remains the best solution to the country’s broken immigration system, administration officials said.


“To be clear, DHS will not grant deferred action or humanitarian parole to the nation’s entire illegal immigrant population,” Bentley said.



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http://www.politio.com


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As the nation's attention turns back to the fractured debate over immigration, it might be helpful to remember that in 1986, Ronald Reagan signed a sweeping immigration reform bill into law. The bill made nearly 3 million illegal immigrants eligible for amnesty -- a word not usually associated with the father of modern conservatism.

As the nation's attention turns back to the fractured debate over immigration, it might be helpful to remember that in 1986, Ronald Reagan signed a sweeping immigration reform bill into law. It was sold as a crackdown: There would be tighter security at the Mexican border, and employers would face strict penalties for hiring undocumented workers.

But the bill also made any immigrant who'd entered the country before 1982 eligible for amnesty -- a word not usually associated with the father of modern conservatism.

In his renewed push for an immigration overhaul this week, President Obama called for Republican support for a bill to address the growing population of illegal immigrants in the country. This time, however, Republicans know better than to tread near the politically toxic A-word.

Part of this aversion is due to what is widely seen as the failure of Reagan's 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act. However, one of the lead authors of the bill says that unlike most immigration reform efforts of the past 20 years, amnesty wasn't the pitfall.

"We used the word 'legalization,' " former Wyoming Sen. Alan K. Simpson tells NPR's Guy Raz. "And everybody fell asleep lightly for a while, and we were able to do legalization."

The law granted amnesty to nearly 3 million illegal immigrants, yet was largely considered unsuccessful because the strict sanctions on employers were stripped out of the bill for passage.

Simpson says the amnesty provision actually saved the act from being a total loss. "It's not perfect, but 2.9 million people came forward. If you can bring one person out of an exploited relationship, that's good enough for me."

Reagan And Amnesty

Nowadays, conservative commentators like Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh often invoke the former president as a champion of the conservative agenda. Sean Hannity of Fox News even has a regular segment called "What Would Reagan Do?"

Simpson, however, sees a different person in the president he called a "dear friend."

Reagan "knew that it was not right for people to be abused," Simpson says. "Anybody who's here illegally is going to be abused in some way, either financially [or] physically. They have no rights."

<span style='font-size: 17pt'>Peter Robinson, a former Reagan speechwriter, agrees. "It was in Ronald Reagan's bones -- it was part of his understanding of America -- that the country was fundamentally open to those who wanted to join us here."

Reagan said as much himself in a televised debate with Democratic presidential nominee Walter Mondale in 1984.

"I believe in the idea of amnesty for those who have put down roots and lived here, even though sometime back they may have entered illegally," he said. </span>



http://www.scpr.org/news/2010/07/04/a-reagan-legacy-amnesty-for-illegal-immigrants/
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pooltchr
09-17-2010, 07:25 AM
Just for the record, the topic isn't RR. You stated that there is NO amnesty policy by any dem, and you immediately got shot down with the fact that the Senate Majority leader is in fact, trying to pass the first phase of amnesty as we sit here. There is no debate, so you immediately try to shift attention away from this, and redirect us to the past.

Be a big girl and just admit you were wrong.

Steve

Chopstick
09-17-2010, 07:32 AM
(2) WAIVER- Notwithstanding paragraph (1), <span style='font-size: 14pt'>the Secretary of Homeland Security may waive the ground of ineligibility under section 212(a)(6)(E) of the Immigration and Nationality Act and the ground of deportability</span> under paragraph (1)(E) of section 237(a) of that Act for humanitarian purposes or family unity or when it is otherwise in the public interest.

<span style="color: #000099">Did you read the bill? That is amnesty.</span>

Gayle in MD
09-17-2010, 07:38 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">“To be clear, DHS will not grant deferred action or humanitarian parole to the nation’s entire illegal immigrant population,” Bentley said.
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The only Amnesty Bill was pushed into being by Ronald Reagan.

This is not an Amnesty Bill

G.

Chopstick
09-17-2010, 09:28 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">“To be clear, DHS will not grant deferred action or humanitarian parole to the nation’s entire illegal immigrant population,” Bentley said.
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The only Amnesty Bill was pushed into being by Ronald Reagan.

This is not an Amnesty Bill

G. </div></div>

<span style="color: #000099">It doesn't matter what so and so said. That ain't what the bill says.</span>

Deeman3
09-17-2010, 10:45 AM
[quote=ChopstickDid you read the bill? That is amnesty!


<span style="color: #FF0000"> It is according to the definition or what the meaning of the word "is" is! Remember? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif</span>

LWW
09-17-2010, 03:58 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">“To be clear, DHS will not grant deferred action or humanitarian parole to the nation’s entire illegal immigrant population,” Bentley said.
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The only Amnesty Bill was pushed into being by Ronald Reagan.

This is not an Amnesty Bill

G. </div></div>

Are you seriously that delusional?

LWW

pooltchr
09-17-2010, 04:30 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">“To be clear, DHS will not grant deferred action or humanitarian parole to the nation’s entire illegal immigrant population,” Bentley said.
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The only Amnesty Bill was pushed into being by Ronald Reagan.

This is not an Amnesty Bill

G. </div></div>

Are you seriously that delusional?

LWW </div></div>

Yes, she has already proven that over the years.

Steve

Sid_Vicious
09-18-2010, 05:46 PM
The whole damned thing comes down to one thing. The laws on the books about illegality of citizenship are purposely being pandored to when it comes to ILLEGALS. Somethin's bad wrong when law officers here are directed AWAY from arresting people breaking international laws. Dems or Reps,,,they both don't have any real balls for what they were hired to do, enforce the law of the land.

Right now, the dems and Obama are the culprits. Arizona had things right, Obama broke his oath with his administration's actions. Bush was worse though, since he had all of the legislative and judicial branches combined, and he was pushing for amnesty all along. The whole system us busted, and heads should roll...sid

pooltchr
09-18-2010, 05:56 PM
You are correct that neither party has done the right thing in this matter. Bush sided with the Dems and almost got amnesty passed until the public demanded they kill the bill.

Now the dems are trying to do it again, a little bit at a time.

Obama won't be impeached for not fulfilling his oath of office to defend the country against foreign invaders, simply because the dems own congress for the moment. It will be interesting to see what happens when he doesn't have congress covering his back.

Steve

Sev
09-19-2010, 05:43 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Someone please pass the popcorn. The back peddling, spin, and attempts at diversion are about to begin.

This should be good!

Steve </div></div>

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Sev
09-19-2010, 05:48 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Since some people do not know the definition of the word, Amnesty, and don't realize that only Rondal Reagann gave away Amnesty, there is no Democrat, not one single one, who is advocating for "Amnesty."

I posted the definition for the word, "Amnesty" some time back, but there are some folks that will intentionally distort the language in order to spread around their party's propaganda....that's how we got terms like, "Ethically Challenged" for crooks, "Food Challenged" for the hungry and "Mission Accomplished" touted in the early months of a seven year plus, irrational war campaign, incompetently fought, with disastrous econoomic results, from which we may never recover or escape.... /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

Immigration reform, a serious on-going problem for our country, is being discussed, because the illegal population has been a devastating problem for us economically, and in many other ways.

Illegal Immigrants flooded into our country, due to Ronald Reagan, whosese amnesty policy created the problem we are facing right now.

Since Republicans never clean up the messes they always leave in their wake, solving our illegal immigration problem, must be addressed, but like everything else, Republicans are blocking that effort, for political purposes.

G.

G. </div></div>

Reagans one big mistake. He should have never signed that bill.

Sev
09-19-2010, 05:51 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sid_Vicious</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The whole damned thing comes down to one thing. The laws on the books about illegality of citizenship are purposely being pandored to when it comes to ILLEGALS. Somethin's bad wrong when law officers here are directed AWAY from arresting people breaking international laws. Dems or Reps,,,they both don't have any real balls for what they were hired to do, enforce the law of the land.

Right now, the dems and Obama are the culprits. Arizona had things right, Obama broke his oath with his administration's actions. Bush was worse though, since he had all of the legislative and judicial branches combined, and he was pushing for amnesty all along. The whole system us busted, and heads should roll...sid </div></div>

In total agreement with you Sid.

Qtec
09-19-2010, 09:24 PM
Amnesty is a diversion.

FACT,

GW Bush had 8 years to seal off the US-Mexican border. He had the will of both houses and the impetus of 9/11, why didn't it happen?



Answer......because his base didn't want to lose its supply of cheap labour.

Need to sleep.

Q

Gayle in MD
09-20-2010, 08:33 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Amnesty is a diversion.

FACT,

GW Bush had 8 years to seal off the US-Mexican border. He had the will of both houses and the impetus of 9/11, why didn't it happen?



Answer......because his base didn't want to lose its supply of cheap labour.

Need to sleep.

Q </div></div>

Exactly! And, Again, this bill isn't Amnesty. Amnesty means there are no stipulations.

G.