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Gayle in MD
09-17-2010, 07:51 AM
Futures point to higher open for US maarkets.

People from around the globe, investing at higher rates in US Treasury Bonds.

More economists every day are saying no double dip.

Inflation remains under control, modest gain, 0.3......

Weekly earnings stable.Right now, people are investing in the U.S. Hmmmm...guess the RW myth, falls again, Japan isn't going to overtake us after all....





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Chopstick
09-17-2010, 09:26 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Futures point to higher open for US maarkets.

<span style="color: #000099">No, they're not. They are down 10 handles. I'm looking right at them.</span>

People from around the globe, investing at higher rates in US Treasury Bonds.

<span style="color: #000099">I doubt that. The last auction barely made it.</span>

More economists every day are saying no double dip.

<span style="color: #000099">Krappynomicks again.</span>

Inflation remains under control, modest gain, 0.3......

<span style="color: #000099">Deflation isn't. Oh, excuse me, they are calling it disinflation now.</span>

Weekly earnings stable.Right now, people are investing in the U.S. Hmmmm...guess the RW myth, falls again, Japan isn't going to overtake us after all....

<span style="color: #000099">China is the number 2 economy now. Japan just made a major move to bring down the Yen. That is going to affect things. Today is options expirations. There are also some dividend arbitrage plays going on with the ETFs. Looks like a good day to get a tee time. Nothing much going on. There has been a surge on Bond ETFs since the first of the year. That will most likely continue. The Flash Crash really scared a lot of people out of equities. The only ones out there actually doing any trading are us and the hedge funds.

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jimmyg
09-17-2010, 02:10 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Futures point to higher open for US maarkets.

People from around the globe, investing at higher rates in US Treasury Bonds.

More economists every day are saying no double dip.

Inflation remains under control, modest gain, 0.3......

Weekly earnings stable.Right now, people are investing in the U.S. Hmmmm...guess the RW myth, falls again, Japan isn't going to overtake us after all....

Wha Wha Wah /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/cry.gif...say the Repubs.. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif </div></div>

Who writes your daily script? Bagdad Bob?

You clearly haven't any idea what you are talking about, none whatsoever.

What is your disingenuous agenda, that can truly financially damage anyone who acts on your disimformation? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

J

LWW
09-17-2010, 04:03 PM
She is a party agitprop who has no original ideas at all. Her existence is simply for the purpose of regurgitating party "TRUTH" to the cult in order to keep them in line.

Once you understand G she is easy to take and easier to have fun with.

LWW

cushioncrawler
09-17-2010, 06:06 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">(A).... Futures point to higher open for US markets.

(B).... People from around the globe, investing at higher rates in US Treasury Bonds.

(C).... More economists every day are saying no double dip.

(D).... Inflation remains under control, modest gain, 0.3.

(E).... Weekly earnings stable. Right now, people are investing in the U.S. Hmmmm.

(F).... guess the RW myth, falls again, Japan isn't going to overtake us after all.....</div></div>Gayle -- Dont forget that the theusofa krappynomix system iz uzed allmost universally -- and it duznt work, never haz.
Krappynomix iz not really a system, it iz a dogma, a religion aktually.
Krappynomix iz not really about ekonomix, it iz about finance, politix aktually.

The following sorts of thorts go throo my mind whenever i read'hear financial stuff.

Markets..... Higher (or lower) Markets dont make theusofa cake any bigger -- they just change the size of the slices.

Bonds....... Buying bonds duznt make theusofa cake any bigger -- it iz sort of cake'neutral. Money kumming in from overseas kan enlarge theusofa cake (ie real usofa expenditure, ie real usofa produktion), but probly at the expense of the overseas cake.

Recession... I dunno what a double-dip recession iz. I do know that theusofa haz been in a recession for ever (except the times when it woz a full-blown depression), and theusofa will be in a recession for ever -- ie while krappynomix rules.

Inflation... Krappynomix shuns any direkt (efficient) kontrol of inflation -- it prefers indirekt (nonefficient) kontrol. Wages are rizing -- hmmmmmm -- lets shoot some workers.

Earnings and Investment....... Krappynomix loves lots of figures of different things, none of which are true, which duznt matter koz none of them proov anything, which duznt matter koz none of them things matter. What theusofa needs iz the real figures for real matters.

Japan....... Japan and theusofa hav the same engine -- krappynomix. It will be a good race to watch. A bit like the good old days when they had cars racing backwards, ie in reverse, lots of skidding out of kontrol, lots of funny accidents. I think it will kum down to which krappynomicyst iz the best driver. I heard that theusofa krappynomicyst haz a sore neck, and that japan might win.
If theusofa iz smart it will change the rules and turn the race into one where all are driving forward instead of backward -- but i suppoze that even here theusofa krappynomicysts will require some sort of silly rule, eg that the racers pull caravans.
mac.

jimmyg
09-18-2010, 06:09 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">She is a party agitprop who has no original ideas at all. Her existence is simply for the purpose of regurgitating party "TRUTH" to the cult in order to keep them in line.

Once you understand G she is easy to take and easier to have fun with. LWW </div></div>

Do you believe that she a party leader of some sort, or merely a cult member?

Not sure myself, only a few possible choices or combination of choices, none of which I find rational; misinformed and naive, delusional, cult like fanatic, vested party interests.

The idea that she is intentionally spreading falsehoods is felonious, and something that I find very scary for anyone that actually takes her seriously. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

J

LWW
09-19-2010, 01:47 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jimmyg</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">She is a party agitprop who has no original ideas at all. Her existence is simply for the purpose of regurgitating party "TRUTH" to the cult in order to keep them in line.

Once you understand G she is easy to take and easier to have fun with. LWW </div></div>

Do you believe that she a party leader of some sort, or merely a cult member?

Not sure myself, only a few possible choices or combination of choices, none of which I find rational; misinformed and naive, delusional, cult like fanatic, vested party interests.

The idea that she is intentionally spreading falsehoods is felonious, and something that I find very scary for anyone that actually takes her seriously. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

J </div></div>

She is quite simply an AGITPROP: (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/agitprop)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ag·it·prop   
[aj-it-prop]
–noun
1. agitation and propaganda, esp. for the cause of communism.
2. ( often initial capital letter ) an agency or department, as of a government, that directs and coordinates agitation and propaganda.
3. Also, ag·it·prop·ist. a person who is trained or takes part in such activities. </div></div>


Definition example #3 fits her perfectly. G's lot in life is simply to take the daily "TRUTH" as fed to her on the party spoon and then shout it with the conviction that only one infected with doublethink can muster, and to shout it from every street corner she passes.

None of the party doctrine has any intellectual meaning to the street level agitprop, and to the street level agitprop the concept of "TRUTH" is entirely malleable and may mean something different from one minute to the next.

The street level agitprop will never realize these discrepancies in "TRUTH" as they are simply a walking record/playback machine who exists solely to dispense party dogma.

LWW

Sev
09-19-2010, 05:25 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jimmyg</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Futures point to higher open for US maarkets.

People from around the globe, investing at higher rates in US Treasury Bonds.

More economists every day are saying no double dip.

Inflation remains under control, modest gain, 0.3......

Weekly earnings stable.Right now, people are investing in the U.S. Hmmmm...guess the RW myth, falls again, Japan isn't going to overtake us after all....

Wha Wha Wah /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/cry.gif...say the Repubs.. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif </div></div>

Who writes your daily script? Bagdad Bob?

You clearly haven't any idea what you are talking about, none whatsoever.

What is your disingenuous agenda, that can truly financially damage anyone who acts on your disimformation? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

J </div></div>

Jimmy for gods sakes dont use the word disingenuous. Hondo gets upset. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

jimmyg
09-19-2010, 07:15 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jimmyg</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">She is a party agitprop who has no original ideas at all. Her existence is simply for the purpose of regurgitating party "TRUTH" to the cult in order to keep them in line.

Once you understand G she is easy to take and easier to have fun with. LWW </div></div>

Do you believe that she a party leader of some sort, or merely a cult member?

Not sure myself, only a few possible choices or combination of choices, none of which I find rational; misinformed and naive, delusional, cult like fanatic, vested party interests.

The idea that she is intentionally spreading falsehoods is felonious, and something that I find very scary for anyone that actually takes her seriously. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif J </div></div>

She is quite simply an AGITPROP: (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/agitprop)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ag·it·prop   
[aj-it-prop]
–noun
1. agitation and propaganda, esp. for the cause of communism.
2. ( often initial capital letter ) an agency or department, as of a government, that directs and coordinates agitation and propaganda.
3. Also, ag·it·prop·ist. a person who is trained or takes part in such activities. </div></div>

Definition example #3 fits her perfectly. G's lot in life is simply to take the daily "TRUTH" as fed to her on the party spoon and then shout it with the conviction that only one infected with doublethink can muster, and to shout it from every street corner she passes.

None of the party doctrine has any intellectual meaning to the street level agitprop, and to the street level agitprop the concept of "TRUTH" is entirely malleable and may mean something different from one minute to the next.

The street level agitprop will never realize these discrepancies in "TRUTH" as they are simply a walking record/playback machine who exists solely to dispense party dogma. LWW </div></div>

Even accepting your theory LWW, it's still so totally irrational that it equates with someone being completely out of touch with reality. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

Rather than be honest and forthcoming, and simply forward her socialist/communist agenda by arguing based on the benefits of her socialist/communist system of government over a capitalism/free market system, she creates, lies about, and manipulates, information that would usually be the result of a well functioning free capitalist/free market system. She then attributes those lies to a well functioning socialist/communist system that would never be able to create those results in the first place.

All this deception in order to forward a socialist/communist system that has been, and is, a proven failure and a lost cause. Clearly my definition of delusional, cult like, fanatical. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

J

LWW
09-19-2010, 08:59 AM
Rational has no relevance. To understand G and friends better I would refer you to Orwell's dystopian classic "1984" as the man truly nailed what uberstatists are all about.

In particular, here are two psychoses which Orwell described that many on the far left suffer from:

DOUBLETHINK: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublethink)

To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it, to believe that democracy was impossible and that the Party was the guardian of democracy, to forget, whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back into memory again at the moment when it was needed, and then promptly to forget it again, and above all, to apply the same process to the process itself -- that was the ultimate subtlety; consciously to induce unconsciousness, and then, once again, to become unconscious of the act of hypnosis you had just performed ...

The power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them ... To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies — all this is indispensably necessary. Even in using the word doublethink it is necessary to exercise doublethink. For by using the word one admits that one is tampering with reality; by a fresh act of doublethink one erases this knowledge; and so on indefinitely, with the lie always one leap ahead of the truth.

BLACKWHITE: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackwhite#Blackwhite)

Applied to a Party member, it means a loyal willingness to say that black is white when Party discipline demands this. But it means also the ability to believe that black is white, and more, to know that black is white, and to forget that one has ever believed the contrary. This demands a continuous alteration of the past, made possible by the system of thought which really embraces all the rest, and which is known in Newspeak as doublethink.

We see this from the far left regularly. Examples would be, but aren't limited to:

- General Petraeus was General "BETRAY - US" because he led the surge and at the same time is a hero because he is now leading the surge.

- The Bush tax cuts destroyed the nation, but extending them and calling them the democrat tax cuts will save us all.

- Faith based initiatives under Bush were evil while the same faith based initiatives under Obama are evidence of a sainted leader.

LWW

jimmyg
09-20-2010, 08:50 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Rational has no relevance. To understand G and friends better I would refer you to Orwell's dystopian classic "1984" as the man truly nailed what uberstatists are all about.

In particular, here are two psychoses which Orwell described that many on the far left suffer from:

DOUBLETHINK: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublethink)

To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it, to believe that democracy was impossible and that the Party was the guardian of democracy, to forget, whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back into memory again at the moment when it was needed, and then promptly to forget it again, and above all, to apply the same process to the process itself -- that was the ultimate subtlety; consciously to induce unconsciousness, and then, once again, to become unconscious of the act of hypnosis you had just performed ...

The power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them ... To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies — all this is indispensably necessary. Even in using the word doublethink it is necessary to exercise doublethink. For by using the word one admits that one is tampering with reality; by a fresh act of doublethink one erases this knowledge; and so on indefinitely, with the lie always one leap ahead of the truth.

BLACKWHITE: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackwhite#Blackwhite)

Applied to a Party member, it means a loyal willingness to say that black is white when Party discipline demands this. But it means also the ability to believe that black is white, and more, to know that black is white, and to forget that one has ever believed the contrary. This demands a continuous alteration of the past, made possible by the system of thought which really embraces all the rest, and which is known in Newspeak as doublethink.

We see this from the far left regularly. Examples would be, but aren't limited to:

- General Petraeus was General "BETRAY - US" because he led the surge and at the same time is a hero because he is now leading the surge.

- The Bush tax cuts destroyed the nation, but extending them and calling them the democrat tax cuts will save us all.

- Faith based initiatives under Bush were evil while the same faith based initiatives under Obama are evidence of a sainted leader. LWW </div></div>

Even more disturbing than I imagined. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

J

Deeman3
09-20-2010, 09:23 AM
Where we are really headed!

From MSNBC Site in finances....


In a newsletter this month, Dennis Gartman shared some data on the subject, which I found very illuminating: In 1949, government spending was 14.3% of gross domestic product. As of 2009, it had risen to 24.7% of GDP (and is obviously higher now). In other words, since 1949, that percentage has grown 73%. Given the problems the country faces, this is something that will have to be addressed somewhere down the road.

An econ lesson in high Fidel-ity
More importantly, it isn't just defense spending (as some would like to believe) that is the source of the increase. Gartman pointed out that in 1949, defense and international aid constituted 7.1% of GDP, while federal payments to individuals were just 3.7%. Today, only 4.9% goes to the former, while 14.7% is directed to the latter.

I suspect one thing the left and the right might be able to agree on is that it does not do anyone in the private sector any good to have a public sector that is bloated to such absurd levels.

Even communist Cuba has been forced to figure this out, as front-page articles in the Sept. 14 print edition of The New York Times ("Cuba's public-sector layoffs signal major shift") and the Sept. 15 print edition of The Wall Street Journal ("Cuba to cut state jobs in tilt toward free market") made clear. Facing essentially the same problem that we do, the Cuban government plans to lay off 500,000 workers in hopes they will move over to the private sector. As the Cuban Workers Federation said in a statement quoted in The Journal: "Our state can't keep maintaining . . . bloated payrolls."

Neither can the United States. And if a communist government like Cuba can admit it and make changes, why can't we?