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Qtec
09-24-2010, 01:33 AM
First of all, they have no credibility. They can't be trusted. Why should anyone believe a single word they say?

So what are they going to do?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Q: <u>What are you actually going to cut? </u>Are you willing to go in and cut entitlements, which of course is where the real money is?


BOEHNER: If we're going to deal with deficits and we're going to be honest with the American people, we have to <u>cut spending </u>and we need real economic growth in America that puts more Americans back to work caring for themselves and caring for their families. And you can't have real economic growth in America if you insist on raising taxes on the American people. [...] </div></div>

Didn't answer the question Tan Boy, did you? Have another go.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Q: <u>There are not very many specifics in here about how you would actually get to the balanced budget</u> if you do plan to extend all the tax cuts and expand defense spending. Again, just to follow up on the previous question, there's really no specifics on what you would do about Social Security and Medicare, which are some of the biggest drivers of deficit spending. So could you give us more detail on exactly how you could fulfill these pretty big promises, and spending caps don't seem like they would do it?

BOEHNER: Well, I think it's pretty clear that by having the spending cap at 2008 levels, we can save $100 billion a year -- that's one $1 trillion over the next 10 years. When it comes to dealing with the entitlement programs, I've made it pretty clear: It's time for us to have an adult conversation with each other about the serious challenges that face our country. I don't have all of the solutions, but I believe if we work with the American people, the American people will want to work with us to come to grips with these challenges that face our country. [...] </div></div>

Still didn't answer the question!!!! What is he hiding?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Q: What are we to think of ideas that are not included in here, for example, private accounts for Social Security? Since it's not in here, is that to say it's off the table?

BOEHNER: No. If you look at the Pledge, it's not intended to be a party platform.<span style="color: #CC0000"> WTF is it then?</span> It's not intended to cover everything under the sun. <span style="color: #CC0000"> It doesn't cover ANYTHING under the sun! Its just waffle.</span> ... It's about what needs to be done now -- first steps toward real fiscal sanity in Washington, D.C. and real steps about getting our economy moving again and getting people back to work. </div></div>


He is not fooling me. They have no new ideas. They still want to follow the Bush policies that got the country into the mess its in now.

Q

pooltchr
09-24-2010, 06:00 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">First of all, they have no credibility. They can't be trusted. Why should anyone believe a single word they say?


Q
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Pretty much the same as Pelosi, Reid, Obama and friends? If you believe what any of them say, you are a fool. Turn down the volume and just watch what they do.

Steve

Gayle in MD
09-24-2010, 06:11 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

The GOP "Pledge": What's Not In It
— By David Corn

| Thu Sep. 23, 2010 10:06 AM PDT
The House Republicans on Thursday released a manifesto outlining what they intend to do should they triumph in the coming congressional elections. The glossy document, which is adorned with photographs of the Statue of Liberty, Mt. Rushmore, and cowboys, is high-mindedly titled "A Pledge to America: A New Governing Agenda Built on the Priorities of Our Nation, the Principles We Stand For & America's Founding Values." And it offers few surprises: tax cuts for all (including the super-rich), slashing federal spending (without specifying actual targets), downsizing government, more money for the military (especially missile defense), and repealing the health care bill. It decries deficits—though it advocates proposals that will add trillions of dollars to the deficit. It calls for reforming Congress—but in non-significant ways (such as forcing legislators to place a sentence in every bill attesting that the legislation is connected to a principle in the Constitution). It's full of Hallmark-style patriotism: "America is more than a country." It's infused with tea party anger: Washington has plotted "to thwart the will of the people and overturn their votes and their values." It is likely to have little impact on the elections.

You can read it yourself. Or peruse the reviews: liberal Ezra Klein dissects its internal contradictions; tea partier Erick Erickson decries the "Pledge" as a sell-out of the tea party movement; Republican curmudgeon David Frum finds it retro and short on "modern" and "affirmative" ideas for governing during a recessionary year. But here's a short-cut for you. Below is a list of words and phrases and the number of times they are each mentioned in the 45-page "Pledge."

Wall Street: 0
Bank: 0
Finance: 0
Mortgage crisis: 0
Derivative: 0
Subprime: 0
Lobbying: 0
Lobbyist: 0
K Street: 0
Campaign finance: 0
Campaign contribution: 0
Campaign donation: 0
Disclosure: 0
Climate change: 0
Environment: 1 ("political environment")
Alternative energy: 0
Renewable: 0
Green: 0
Transportation: 0
Infrastructure: 0
Poverty: 0
Food: 0
Food safety: 0
Housing: 0
Internet: 0
Education: 0
College: 0
Reading: 0
Science: 0
Research: 0
Technology: 0
Bush administration: 0

That list is as telling as the actual contents.


http://motherjones.com/mojo/2010/09/gop-pledge-whats-not-it


LMAO! And after the drum role, "Misson Accomplished" styled, Hollywood glossed, presenation at a Virginia, <span style='font-size: 14pt'>small business</span>, lumber company, the tanned Gold Club Golf club, aka Republican Party, went all the way to actually removing their 5th Avenue, designer jackets, and went right back to the Senate, and <span style='font-size: 14pt'>voted no in a block, against the tax cuts and loan promotions for.....</span>

Big Drum Roll!!!



<span style='font-size: 17pt'>small businesses.</span> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

LMAO, some things NEVER change, and the Repiglican Party, is one of them. <span style='font-size: 14pt'> Knuckle dragging Neanderthals!</span>


What they are doing is making claims of giving people what they all already voted against, that is already in the HC Bill, while promising to repeal it, and also promising to take us back to the same failed policies of the Bush Administration...IOW, more for the filthy rich, and even less than ever before, for the rest.

IOW, greater American poverty! More corporate corruption, more tax cuts for corps that outsource American jobs, more unpaid for, deficits, and free for all, for the super wealthy.

What a total crock! </div></div> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

eg8r
09-24-2010, 07:32 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">First of all, they have no credibility. They can't be trusted. Why should anyone believe a single word they say?
</div></div>In case you haven't been paying attention no one believes what any politician has to say.

eg8r

Deeman3
09-24-2010, 08:17 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[/quote]


He is not fooling me. They have no new ideas. They still want to follow the Bush policies that got the country into the mess its in now.

Q
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<span style="color: #FF0000">So, my friend, my guess is you won't be voting for these candidates in the November election? I know they are visually upset at losing the Dutch vote! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif </span>

Gayle in MD
09-25-2010, 08:20 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deeman3</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"></div></div>


He is not fooling me. They have no new ideas. They still want to follow the Bush policies that got the country into the mess its in now.

Q
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<span style="color: #FF0000">So, my friend, my guess is you won't be voting for these candidates in the November election? I know they are visually upset at losing the Dutch vote! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif </span> [/quote]


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Congressional Budget Office said in August that the federal budget deficit will grow by $6.2 trillion through 2020. Extending all of the tax cuts enacted in 2001 and 2003, as the GOP proposal calls for, would reduce government revenue by an additional $3.1 trillion, according to the nonpartisan Pew Fiscal Analysis Initiative.


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There was no meat at all in their "Pledge" except that they would go right back to the same Bush Policies that created this mess originally.

The Pledge, has no plan, for improving anything at all, in fact, it makes everyting even worse ofr the majority of people, because any body with half a brain, knows, only the top 2% will be advantaged by anything they do, and further, they will continue to block our country from being on the cutting edge of jobs we would created by committing to the technology and production of renewable energy...

We'll end up being a Banana Republic, if Republicans gain the majority.

G.


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LWW
09-25-2010, 09:37 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">First of all, they have no credibility. They can't be trusted. Why should anyone believe a single word they say?

Q
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You should at least try to hide your fear.

LWW

Qtec
09-26-2010, 12:22 AM
Again you ignore the post and attack.

Q

Qtec
09-26-2010, 12:39 AM
Banana republic...........its already here.

link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2C-Qo51Mf8&feature=player_embedded)

link (http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/judges-get-yourselves-speed-tech-democracy-)

Q

pooltchr
09-26-2010, 06:08 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Again you ignore the post and attack.

Q </div></div>

I've already said I don't think the pledge has any teeth in it. And I have stated many times in the past that I don't believe what politicians from either side say....I watch what they do.

Now, will you admit that the dems are lying to us every day??? Or will you just accuse me of attacking you?

Steve

Gayle in MD
09-26-2010, 06:35 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Again you ignore the post and attack.

Q </div></div>

Status Quo.... /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smirk.gif

pooltchr
09-26-2010, 11:35 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Again you ignore the post and attack.

Q </div></div>

Status Quo.... /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smirk.gif </div></div>

Q was wrong....and so are you.

Situation normal

Steve

Sev
09-26-2010, 06:53 PM
Jumping out of plane without a parachute has consequences.

Qtec
09-26-2010, 07:40 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deeman3</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"></div></div>


He is not fooling me. They have no new ideas. They still want to follow the Bush policies that got the country into the mess its in now.

Q
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="color: #FF0000">So, my friend, my guess is you won't be voting for these candidates in the November election? I know they are visually upset at losing the Dutch vote! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif </span> </div></div>

Deeman, the world is getting smaller and smaller and at the same time more interconnected.
A scam that started in the USA conned money from people all around the world. Iceland is almost bankrupt. Every citizen there owes like $100,000, all because of the banks.

Not long ago a Republican suggested that there should be a literacy test taken and passed, before one was allowed to vote.
I have a better idea, how about an IQ test or even a general knowledge test? probaly TP people or Republican voters. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJuNgBkloFE)
<span style='font-size: 14pt'>This would shrink the Tea Party to a few hundred and the GOP to a few million.</span>

All I am saying is do you think the country would be in good hands with S Palin as POTUS, S Angle as Sec of State and O'Donnell as Sec Of Defence.?


Banana Republic here we come.

Q

Qtec
09-26-2010, 07:42 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I watch what they do </div></div>

What did the last GOP admin do?

If Obama was a Socialist/Marxist he would have said no to Bush's request for a blank cheque to bail out the banks, don't you think?

Q

pooltchr
09-26-2010, 07:45 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I watch what they do </div></div>

What did the last GOP admin do?

Q </div></div>

They spent money like they were democrats!!!!!!!!!
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Steve

Qtec
09-26-2010, 07:58 PM
You are under the illusion that its the Dems who are fiscally irresposible when the the Rep Party do it every time they have power! Use google. Seek the truth.

http://www.lafn.org/gvdc/Natl_Debt_Chart.jpg

Q

hondo
09-26-2010, 08:19 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You are under the illusion that its the Dems who are fiscally irresposible when the the Rep Party do it every time they have power! Use google. Seek the truth.

http://www.lafn.org/gvdc/Natl_Debt_Chart.jpg

Q </div></div>

OUCH! That one's gonna leave a mark!

pooltchr
09-26-2010, 08:36 PM
How convenient that your chart doesn't include the time since Obama took office.

But, if you really want to have your eyes opened, look at those numbers based on which party controlled congress rather than who was president. By law, any spending bills must originate in the House of Representatives.

I know you probably won't do this, because the results won't support your political agenda. But it would be an enlightening experience for you.

Steve

LWW
09-27-2010, 02:46 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I watch what they do </div></div>

What did the last GOP admin do?

If Obama was a Socialist/Marxist he would have said no to Bush's request for a blank cheque to bail out the banks, don't you think?

Q </div></div>

You are so close to enlightenment.

Bush was a leftist ... Obama is merely a stronger believer in Marx.

LWW

Qtec
09-27-2010, 04:40 AM
You would think so.

Q

Qtec
09-27-2010, 04:56 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How convenient that your chart doesn't include the time since Obama took office.</div></div>

OMG.

What the chart shows is that over the last 30yrs its been Republican presidents who have increased the debt, sometimes drastically.
Your claim, "They spent money like they were democrats!!!!!!!!!"is BS. They spent like they were Republicans, as they ALWAYS do, despite what they say.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
But, if you really want to have your eyes opened, look at those numbers based on which party controlled congress rather than who was president. By law, any spending bills must originate in the House of Representatives.</div></div>

Here you go.

Revenue v spending.
http://cedarcomm.com/~stevelm1/usdebt_files/image006.jpg

Between 2001 and 2006 the GOP controlled the house, the senate and had a Republican Pres. During this time the nat debt doubled by 6 Trillion.

http://cedarcomm.com/~stevelm1/PartyControlDebt.png

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I know you probably won't do this, because the results won't support your political agenda. But it would be an enlightening experience for you.

Steve </div></div>

Wrong, check the chart from 2001 to 2006. GOP controlled and the debt kept going up.

If you contest these facts let me know. Just don't mention Obama.

He has nothing to do with the abysmal record of republicans in power.

Q

Gayle in MD
09-27-2010, 05:14 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How convenient that your chart doesn't include the time since Obama took office.</div></div>

OMG.

What the chart shows is that over the last 30yrs its been Republican presidents who have increased the debt, sometimes drastically.
Your claim, "They spent money like they were democrats!!!!!!!!!"is BS. They spent like they were Republicans, as they ALWAYS do, despite what they say.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
But, if you really want to have your eyes opened, look at those numbers based on which party controlled congress rather than who was president. By law, any spending bills must originate in the House of Representatives.</div></div>

Here you go.

Revenue v spending.
http://cedarcomm.com/~stevelm1/usdebt_files/image006.jpg

Between 2001 and 2006 the GOP controlled the house, the senate and had a Republican Pres. During this time the nat debt doubled by 6 Trillion.

http://cedarcomm.com/~stevelm1/PartyControlDebt.png

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I know you probably won't do this, because the results won't support your political agenda. But it would be an enlightening experience for you.

Steve </div></div>

Wrong, check the chart from 2001 to 2006. GOP controlled and the debt kept going up.

If you contest these facts let me know. Just don't mention Obama.

He has nothing to do with the abysmal record of republicans in power.

Q </div></div>


Good post, Q. The trolls will deny all of it, as they always do.

Eight years of Bush, what was it, twelve years of Republican control, economy starts to collapse in late 06, Dems take control in Jan 07, but it'a all Dems and Obama's fault!

Just shows you how denial and lies are the way of the RIGHTWINGERS.

Republicans ALWAYS grow the government, grow the deficits, destablize the economy, by redistributing wealth upwards, allow corporate corruption and foreign threats, to gain steam, and lose jobs, deregulation, creates more ill people, all of which is bad for the economy as a whole.

A no brainer! What is the value of a pledge that comes from Liars! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

G.

Sev
09-27-2010, 05:20 AM
They should all be lined up a against a wall and shot.

Gayle in MD
09-27-2010, 05:39 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">First of all, they have no credibility. They can't be trusted. Why should anyone believe a single word they say?

So what are they going to do?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Q: <u>What are you actually going to cut? </u>Are you willing to go in and cut entitlements, which of course is where the real money is?


BOEHNER: If we're going to deal with deficits and we're going to be honest with the American people, we have to <u>cut spending </u>and we need real economic growth in America that puts more Americans back to work caring for themselves and caring for their families. And you can't have real economic growth in America if you insist on raising taxes on the American people. [...] </div></div>

Didn't answer the question Tan Boy, did you? Have another go.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Q: <u>There are not very many specifics in here about how you would actually get to the balanced budget</u> if you do plan to extend all the tax cuts and expand defense spending. Again, just to follow up on the previous question, there's really no specifics on what you would do about Social Security and Medicare, which are some of the biggest drivers of deficit spending. So could you give us more detail on exactly how you could fulfill these pretty big promises, and spending caps don't seem like they would do it?

BOEHNER: Well, I think it's pretty clear that by having the spending cap at 2008 levels, we can save $100 billion a year -- that's one $1 trillion over the next 10 years. When it comes to dealing with the entitlement programs, I've made it pretty clear: It's time for us to have an adult conversation with each other about the serious challenges that face our country. I don't have all of the solutions, but I believe if we work with the American people, the American people will want to work with us to come to grips with these challenges that face our country. [...] </div></div>

Still didn't answer the question!!!! What is he hiding?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Q: What are we to think of ideas that are not included in here, for example, private accounts for Social Security? Since it's not in here, is that to say it's off the table?

BOEHNER: No. If you look at the Pledge, it's not intended to be a party platform.<span style="color: #CC0000"> WTF is it then?</span> It's not intended to cover everything under the sun. <span style="color: #CC0000"> It doesn't cover ANYTHING under the sun! Its just waffle.</span> ... It's about what needs to be done now -- first steps toward real fiscal sanity in Washington, D.C. and real steps about getting our economy moving again and getting people back to work. </div></div>


He is not fooling me. They have no new ideas. They still want to follow the Bush policies that got the country into the mess its in now.

Q
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> John Boehner, the Republican House leader who will become Speaker if Democrats lose control of the House in the upcoming midterms, recently offered his solution to the current economic crisis: "Liquidate labor, liquidate stocks, liquidate the farmer, liquidate real estate. It will purge the rottenness out of the system. People will work harder, lead a more moral life."

Actually, those weren't Boehner's words. They were uttered by Herbert Hoover's treasury secretary, millionaire industrialist Andrew Mellon, after the Great Crash of 1929.

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>But they might as well have been Boehner's because Hoover's and Mellon's means of purging the rottenness was by doing exactly what Boehner and his colleagues are now calling for: shrink government, cut the federal deficit, reduce the national debt, and balance the budget.

And we all know what happened after 1929, at least until FDR reversed course.</span>
Boehner and other Republicans would even like to roll back the New Deal and get rid of Barack Obama's smaller deal health-care law.

The issue isn't just economic. We're back to tough love. The basic idea is to force people to live with the consequences of whatever happens to them.

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>In the late 19th century it was called Social Darwinism. Only the fittest should survive, and any effort to save the less fit will undermine the moral fiber of society.

Republicans have wanted to destroy Social Security since it was invented in 1935 by my predecessor as labor secretary, the great Frances Perkins. Remember George W. Bush's proposal to privatize it? Had America agreed with him, millions of retirees would have been impoverished in 2008 when the stock market imploded.</span>

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>Of course Republicans don't talk openly about destroying Social Security, because it's so popular. The new Republican "pledge" promises only to put it on a "fiscally responsible footing." Translated: we'll privatize it.

Look, I used to be a trustee of the Social Security trust fund. Believe me when I tell you Social Security is basically okay. It may need a little fine tuning but I guarantee you'll receive your Social Security check by the time you retire even if that's forty years from now.

Medicare, on the other hand, is a huge problem and its projected deficits are truly scary. But that's partly because George W. Bush created a new drug benefit that's hugely profitable for Big Phrma (something the Republican pledge conspicuously fails to address). The underlying problem, though, is health-care costs are soaring.</span>
Repealing the new health-care legislation would cause health-care costs to rise even faster. In extending coverage, it allows 30 million Americans to get preventive care. Take it away and they'll end up in far more expensive emergency rooms.

The new law could help control rising health costs. It calls for medical "exchange" that will give people valuable information about health costs and benefits. The public should know certain expensive procedures only pad the paychecks of specialists while driving up the costs of insurance policies that offer them.

Republicans also hate unemployment insurance. They've voted against every extension because, they say, it coddles the unemployed and keeps them from taking available jobs.

That's absurd. There are still 5 job seekers for every job opening, and unemployment insurance in most states pays only a small fraction of the full-time wage.

Social insurance is fundamental to a civil society. It's also good economics because it puts money in peoples' pockets who then turn around and buy the things that others produce, thereby keeping those others in jobs.

We've fallen into the bad habit of calling these programs "entitlements," which sounds morally suspect -- as if a more responsible public wouldn't depend on them. If the Great Recession has taught us anything, it should be that.anyone can take a fall through no fault of their own.

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>Finally, like Hoover and Mellon, Republicans want to cut the deficit and balance the budget at a time when a large portion of the workforce is idle.

This defies economic logic. When consumers aren't spending, businesses aren't investing and exports can't possibly fill the gap, and when state governments are slashing their budgets, the federal government has to spend more. Otherwise, the Great Recession will turn into exactly what Hoover and Mellon ushered in -- a seemingly endless Great Depression.

It's also cruel. Cutting the deficit and balancing the budget any time soon will subject tens of millions of American families to unnecessary hardship and throw even more into poverty.</span>
<span style='font-size: 20pt'>Herbert Hoover and Andrew Mellon thought their economic policies would purge the rottenness out of the system and lead to a more moral life. Instead, it purged morality out of the system and lead to a more rotten life for millions of Americans.

And that's exactly what Republicans are offering yet again.</span>
Robert Reich is the author of Aftershock: The Next Economy and America's Future, now in bookstores. This post originally appeared at RobertReich.org.

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pooltchr
09-27-2010, 06:05 AM
What I see is proof that the Dems have controlled congress pretty much since Eisenhour, and the debt increased almost every year. It continued for the short period that the Reps were in charge, and continued to increase since they took back control in 2006.

It doesn't matter which party controls the white house. It matters who controls congress.

The American voters get all excited when we have a presidential election, and generally ignore the mid-terms, which have a far greater impact on their lives.

Obama wouldn't be anywhere near as bad as he is, if he didn't have a Dem congress to give him whatever he asks for. I don't blame Obama alone for our problems. He got plenty of help from Nancy, Harry, and friends.

Steve

Gayle in MD
09-27-2010, 06:20 AM
"Your fresh new ideas," Stewart said, "sound slightly - I'm sorry, did I say slightly? - sound EXACTLY like your old ones."

As he does best, Stewart worked the clips and showed side by side comparisons of 2010 Republicans pledging to do the same things as those of the last 20 years.

"This isn't even a sequel," Stewart said. "This is a shot-by-shot remake!"

WATCH:


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/24/stewart-gop-pledge-america_n_737812.html

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