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LWW
09-24-2010, 03:18 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Until recently, the implications of ObamaCare were debated in a vacuum. There were allegations and responses, but no results to support either side. Now that we have entered the implementation phase of ObamaCare, things are becoming more clear. Many of the bold promises that were offered to sell ObamaCare to the American public were not based in reality.

<span style='font-size: 11pt'>Taxes increases hit Americans next year and, in many states, they are already seeing health insurance rates increase</span> as a result of ObamaCare. In addition to <span style='font-size: 11pt'>the Obama Administration promising that insurance rates would not go up, they have also promised that rationing of care would not happen</span>. But bad things seems to be happening sooner than expected and contrary to explicit promises of this Administration.

<span style='font-size: 26pt'>This past August, an advisory panel for the Food and Drug Administration recommended that the late stage cancer drug Avastin be “de-labeled” because of cost considerations. It is critical to note, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) did not propose denying cancer victims the right to the drug because of the safety of the drug, but because of a formula containing cost as factor. </span>

Senator David Vitter (R-LA) has taken a leadership position on the issue and has written letters to the FDA and <span style='font-size: 11pt'>expressing concern about “cost rationing.” Senator Vitter is worried that the Avastin case will be the beginning of ObamaCare rationing for drugs that may extend life.</span> Rationing for seriously ill patients based on cost.

Should the FDA agree with the advisory panel’s recommendation, private insurers and <span style='font-size: 26pt'>Medicare will drop coverage for the drug for breast cancer patients, despite the fact that the drug extends life for an average of six months. This is a classic example of why many conservatives are concerned about government run health care.</span>

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>By using cost as a factor in their decision-making, the FDA has begun the implementation of ObamaCare and breast cancer patients may be its first victim. Politically, this is another disaster for those who voted for health care reform. If this drug, or any other, is denied because of cost, they will be forced to defend the decision.</span> ...</div></div>

Who will sacrifice their dignity first in order to give dearest leader a pass? (http://www.redstate.com/brian_d/2010/09/19/obamacare-promise-of-no-rationing-broken-by-fda/)

LWW

pooltchr
09-24-2010, 06:08 AM
So here we have the government DENYING patients treatment based entirely on the cost of the treatment.

But there are no death panels, and there will be no rationing!

Who should be determining what the monitary value of another year of life is worth? The patient, or the government???

Steve

LWW
09-24-2010, 06:38 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So here we have the government DENYING patients treatment based entirely on the cost of the treatment.

But there are no death panels, and there will be no rationing!

Steve </div></div>

And the O-cult will believe that death panels and rationing are good while denying that they even exist.

Doublethink is a crippling malady.

LWW

pooltchr
09-24-2010, 06:43 AM
I do have to wonder why our resident feminist isn't outraged at this topic. Denying availability of any potential life saving or life extending treatment to any woman strictly based on the cost should have her blowing a gasket.

Steve

LWW
09-24-2010, 03:23 PM
See my post above yours ... as a devout practitioner of doublethink she can believe that death panels and rationing are the right way to go while never believing that they actually exist, and yet never see the conflict that comes with holding two completely opposite beliefs simultaneously.

LWW

Sev
09-24-2010, 08:14 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I do have to wonder why our resident feminist isn't outraged at this topic. Denying availability of any potential life saving or life extending treatment to any woman strictly based on the cost should have her blowing a gasket.

Steve </div></div>

Because when it comes right down to it she is only concerned about her own body.

pooltchr
09-24-2010, 09:33 PM
Let's hope her doctor never has to tell her that her best hope lies in using Avastin, but the government won't let her get it.

Steve

Qtec
09-24-2010, 11:11 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So here we have the government DENYING patients treatment based entirely on the cost of the treatment.

But there are no death panels, and there will be no rationing!

Who should be determining what the monitary value of another year of life is worth? The patient, or the government???

Steve </div></div>

<span style='font-size: 11pt'>Once again</span>, in parrot like fashion, LWW posts a crappy piece of journalism and you believe it - just because it slams Obama.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 17pt'>Roche’s Avastin Fails in Late-Stage Colon Study</span>
September 18, 2010, 12:12 PM EDT

Sept. 18 (Bloomberg) -- Roche Holding AG’s Avastin tumor medicine failed to meet the main goal of a late-stage study in early colon cancer.

A combination of Avastin and chemotherapy given immediately after surgery didn’t extend disease-free survival compared with chemotherapy alone, Basel, Switzerland-based Roche said today in a statement. Preliminary data from the study suggest that chemotherapy alone is more effective in treating the tumors, Roche said.

While the company hoped the benefit of giving Avastin seen in studies of late-stage colorectal cancer would “translate to the early setting, it is becoming increasingly clear that the effects of Avastin are different in the metastatic and early disease settings” in colon cancer, Hal Barron, chief medical officer at Roche, said in the statement.

The company said it is examining data from this and another study looking at a similar use of the drug to “help define the next steps” for the development of Avastin in this use.

The Food and Drug Administration yesterday said it needed more data to decide whether Avastin, in combination with certain chemotherapies, should gain approval for initial treatment of breast cancer that has spread. The regulator, which had been expected to decide by yesterday, said it would now take action by Dec. 17.</div></div> link (http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-09-18/roche-s-avastin-fails-in-late-stage-colon-study.html)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Who should be determining what the monitary value of another year of life is worth? The patient, or the government??? </div></div>

Right now its your HC insurance company.

Q

Qtec
09-24-2010, 11:29 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Taxes increases hit Americans next year </div></div>

Under the Obama proposal only the top 2% will pay more tax.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> they are already seeing health insurance rates increase as a result of ObamaCare. </div></div>

Is the Govt forcing the HC insurance industry to raise their rates?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> the Obama Administration promising that insurance rates would not go up,</div></div>

I don't think so.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">they have also promised that rationing of care would not happen. </div></div>

BS. Rationing always occurs.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">cost considerations. </div></div>

There have ALWAYS been cost considerations. Always will be.

There is no Obamacare. The HC are still in control thanks to the GOP and a few weak-kneed Dems. That's why they can hike their prices as they are doing now and nobody can do anything about it.



Q

LWW
09-25-2010, 04:54 AM
YES (http://www.breitbart.tv/20-promises-for-2500-all-americans-now-await-lower-premiums-promised-by-obama/) it was prophesied by Imam Hussein Obama that insurance premiums would go down and not up.

LWW

LWW
09-25-2010, 04:57 AM
YES (http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/49010) it was prophesied by members of the cult of Imam Hussein Obama that there would be no rationing of healthcare.

LWW

LWW
09-25-2010, 04:58 AM
YES (http://billiardsdigest.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=319888#Post319888) it was prophesied by the Oracle El Dubb Dubb that you would do exactly what you did.

LWW

pooltchr
09-25-2010, 09:16 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Taxes increases hit Americans next year </div></div>

Under the Obama proposal only the top 2% will pay more tax.

<span style="color: #FF0000">That's what they keep saying, even as the evidence continues to pile up that it is a lie! </span>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> they are already seeing health insurance rates increase as a result of ObamaCare. </div></div>

Is the Govt forcing the HC insurance industry to raise their rates?
<span style="color: #CC0000">
Yes!</span>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> the Obama Administration promising that insurance rates would not go up,</div></div>

I don't think so.

<span style="color: #FF0000">Perhaps you shold think again. </span>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">they have also promised that rationing of care would not happen. </div></div>

BS. Rationing always occurs.

<span style="color: #FF0000">It should not be happening at the hands of the government. I've looked through the constitution and don't see any authority for the federal government to control healthcare. </span>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">cost considerations. </div></div>

There have ALWAYS been cost considerations. Always will be.

<span style="color: #FF0000">True. But not at the descretion of the government. </span>

There is no Obamacare. The HC are still in control thanks to the GOP and a few weak-kneed Dems. That's why they can hike their prices as they are doing now and nobody can do anything about it.



Q



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<span style="color: #CC0000">Thanks to some smart democrats and republicans, a few of the worst aspects of Obamacare were not included. Unfortunately, they allowed a lot of terrible parts to remain.

Steve </span>