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Gayle in MD
10-06-2010, 06:51 AM
<span style="color: #FF0000"> Well, we knew this would be the result of the S.C. decision, and since Republicans are always on the side of more corporate power, and less corporate regulations, here we can see exactly wht President Obama correctly named a S.C. decision that would allow foreign influence to skew our elections here in America. </span>


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 20pt'>The largest attack campaign against Democrats this fall is being waged by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, a trade association organized as a 501(c)(6) that can raise and spend unlimited funds without ever disclosing any of its donors. The Chamber has promised to spend an unprecedented $75 million to defeat candidates like Jack Conway, Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-CA), Jerry Brown, Rep. Joe Sestak (D-PA), and Rep. Tom Perriello (D-VA). As of Sept. 15th, the Chamber had aired more than 8,000 ads on behalf of GOP Senate candidates alone, according to a study from the Wesleyan Media Project. The Chamber’s spending has dwarfed every other issue group and most political party candidate committee spending. A ThinkProgress investigation has found that the Chamber funds its political attack campaign out of its general account, which solicits foreign funding. And while the Chamber will likely assert it has internal controls, foreign money is fungible, permitting the Chamber to run its unprecedented attack campaign. According to legal experts consulted by ThinkProgress, the Chamber is likely skirting longstanding campaign finance law that bans the involvement of foreign corporations in American elections. </span>In recent years, the Chamber has become very aggressive with its fundraising, opening offices abroad and helping to found foreign chapters (known as Business Councils or “AmChams”). While many of these foreign operations include American businesses with interests overseas, the Chamber has also spearheaded an effort to raise money from foreign corporations, including ones controlled by foreign governments. These foreign members of the Chamber send money either directly to the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, or the foreign members fund their local Chamber, which in turn, transfers dues payments back to the Chamber’s H Street office in Washington DC. These funds are commingled to the Chamber’s 501(c)(6) account which is the vehicle for the attack ads:

<span style='font-size: 20pt'>– The U.S. Chamber of Commerce has created a large presence in the small, oil-rich country of Bahrain. In 2006, the Chamber created a local affiliate called the “U.S.-Bahrain Business Council” (USBBC), an organization to help businesses in Bahrain take advantage of the Chamber’s “network of government and business relationships in the US and worldwide.” As the USBBC’s bylaws state, it is not an actual separate entity, rather it is simply an office of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce’s 501(c)(6) trade association. Many of the USBBC’s board members are Bahrainian, including Aluminum Bahrain, Gulf Air, Midal Cables, the Nass Group, Bahrain Maritime & Mercantile International, the Bahrain Petroleum Company (state-owned), Gulf Petrochemical Industries Company, and First Leasing Bank. With each of these foreign board members to the USBBC contributing at least $10,000 annually, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce raises well over $100,000 a year in money from foreign businesses through its operation in Bahrain. Notably, the membership form provided by the USBBC directs applicants to send or wire their money directly to the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. The membership form also explicitly states that the foreign-owned firms are welcomed. </span>
– Like the Chamber’s involvement in Bahrain, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce operates in India through a group called “U.S.-India Business Council” (USIBC), which has offices around the world but is headquartered in the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. Dozens of Indian businesses, including some of India’s largest corporations like the State Bank of India (state-run) and ICICI Bank, are members of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce through the USIBC. Annual membership dues range from $7,500 to $15,000 or more, and the money is given directly into the Chamber’s 501(c)(6) bank account. Like the USBBC, the USIBC generates well over $200,000 a year in dues for the U.S. Chamber of Commerce from foreign businesses. On the USIBC website, many of the groups lobbying goals advocate changing American policy to help businesses in India. Under the manufacturing policy goal, USIBC boasts that it “can play a helpful role in guiding U.S. companies to India, while supporting various policy initiatives that will enhance India’s reputation as a major manufacturing and investment hub.”

– Many foreign “AmChams” or Business Councils operate outside the direct sphere of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce but nonetheless send dues money back to the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. For instance, the American Chamber of Commerce in Egypt is a separate entity based in Cairo that raises hundreds of thousands of dollars from both Egyptian firms and American businesses. However, the American Chamber of Commerce in Egypt calls itself “the most active affiliates of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce in the” Middle East. Another foreign chamber, like the Abu Dhabi AmCham, which includes American firms and Esnaad, a subsidiary of the state-run Abu Dhabi National Oil Company, claims that it is a a “dues paying member of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and part of the global network of American Chambers of Commerce.” In Russia, the relationship between the American Chamber of Commerce there and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce here is opaque. This might be because many of the dues-paying members of the American Chamber of Commerce in Russia are Russian state-run companies, like VTB Bank, and controlled by the Russian government. Asked by ThinkProgress if the Russian Chambers pay dues back to the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, Ksenia Forsheneva, the membership development manager at the American Chamber of Commerce in Russia, replied, “Unfortunately the information that you require is closed for the public.”

Previously, it has been reported that foreign firms like BP, Shell Oil, and Siemens are active members of the Chamber. But on a larger scale, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce appears to rely heavily on fundraising from firms all over the world, including China, India, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Brazil, Russia, and many other places. Of course, because the Chamber successfully lobbied to kill campaign finance reforms aimed at establishing transparency, the Chamber does not have to reveal any of the funding for its ad campaigns. Dues-paying members of the Chamber could potentially be sending additional funds this year to help air more attack ads against Democrats.

Here’s how it works. Regular dues from American firms to the Chamber can range from $500 to $300,000 or more, depending on their size and industry, and can be used for any purpose deemed necessary by the Chamber leadership. For example, the health insurance giant Aetna has reported that it paid $100,000 in annual dues to the Chamber in the past. But for specific advocacy or advertising campaigns, corporations can hide behind the label of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and give additional money. Last year, alongside their regular dues, health insurance companies like Aetna secretly funneled up to $20 million to the Chamber for attack ads aimed at killing health reform (publicly, health insurance executives claimed they supported reform). Last week, Politico reported that News Corporation, the parent company of Fox News, gave an extra $1 million to the Chamber for its election season attack campaign.

There are many reasons foreign corporations are seeking to defeat Democratic candidates this November. The Chamber has repeatedly sent out issue alerts attacking Democratic efforts to encourage businesses to hire locally rather than outsource to foreign counties. The Chamber has also bitterly fought Democrats for opposing unfettered free trade deals. To galvanize foreign businesses, the Chamber has commissioned former Ambassador Frank Lavin — who served as the McCain-Palin Asia campaign director and has appeared on television multiple times recently saying a Democratic Congress is bad for business — to speak before various foreign Chamber affiliates to talk about the stakes for the 2010 midterm elections.

Because campaign finance laws prohibit foreign entities from contributing to political races here in America, we asked the Chamber to defend the legality of its fundraising operation. We have yet to receive a response. But as word of our investigation began to leak out yesterday, the Chamber informed Politico’s Mike Allen that it is now “preparing a response.”





Update The US Chamber of Commerce has responded to this post in a statement to the Politico's Ben Smith. The Chamber's Tita Freeman did not dispute that the Chamber's 501(c)(6) organization running attack ads receives foreign funds, and simply claimed, "We have a system in place" to prevent foreign funding for the Chamber's "political activities."
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LWW
10-06-2010, 07:02 AM
Foreign money should be banned.

How odd that you had no issue when the regime was taking money from mideast muslims and appointing attorneys from the firm defending Gitmo thugs as AG.

Why is that?

LWW

LWW
10-06-2010, 07:07 AM
Foreign money should be banned.

How odd that you had no issue when tHillary was taking money from Chinese national Hsu.

Why is that?

LWW

LWW
10-06-2010, 07:08 AM
Foreign money should be banned.

How odd that you had no issue when the ChiComs funded Billy Jeff's reelection campaign.

Why is that?

LWW

Sev
10-06-2010, 07:09 AM
Well as long as its used to attack republicans it ok right.

LWW
10-06-2010, 07:10 AM
Foreign money should be banned.

How odd that you had no issue when Loral funneled ChiCom money to the Clinton's in exchange for Clinton signing off on ... against the advice of his own DoD and Pentagon ... Loral selling ICBM targeting technology to the ChiComs, which later ended up in North Korea.

Why is that?

LWW

LWW
10-06-2010, 07:10 AM
That seems to be the standard.

LWW

LWW
10-07-2010, 07:03 AM
Why is the left suddenly so quiet on this issue?

LWW

Gayle in MD
10-07-2010, 07:42 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <span style='font-size: 14pt'> Many foreign “AmChams” or Business Councils operate outside the direct sphere of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce but nonetheless send dues money back to the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. For instance, the American Chamber of Commerce in Egypt is a separate entity based in Cairo that raises hundreds of thousands of dollars from both Egyptian firms and American businesses. However, the American Chamber of Commerce in Egypt calls itself “the most active affiliates of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce in the” Middle East. Another foreign chamber, like the Abu Dhabi AmCham, which includes American firms and Esnaad, a subsidiary of the state-run Abu Dhabi National Oil Company, claims that it is a a “dues paying member of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and part of the global network of American Chambers of Commerce.” In Russia, the relationship between the American Chamber of Commerce there and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce here is opaque. This might be because many of the dues-paying members of the American Chamber of Commerce in Russia are Russian state-run companies, like VTB Bank, and controlled by the Russian government. Asked by ThinkProgress if the Russian Chambers pay dues back to the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, Ksenia Forsheneva, the membership development manager at the American Chamber of Commerce in Russia, replied, “Unfortunately the information that you require is closed for the public.”
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Gayle in MD
10-07-2010, 07:43 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <span style='font-size: 14pt'> In recent years, the Chamber has become very aggressive with its fundraising, opening offices abroad and helping to found foreign chapters (known as Business Councils or “AmChams”). While many of these foreign operations include American businesses with interests overseas, the Chamber has also spearheaded an effort to raise money from foreign corporations, including ones controlled by foreign governments. These foreign members of the Chamber send money either directly to the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, or the foreign members fund their local Chamber, which in turn, transfers dues payments back to the Chamber’s H Street office in Washington DC. These funds are commingled to the Chamber’s 501(c)(6) account which is the vehicle for the attack ads:
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Gayle in MD
10-07-2010, 07:44 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <span style='font-size: 14pt'> – Like the Chamber’s involvement in Bahrain, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce operates in India through a group called “U.S.-India Business Council” (USIBC), which has offices around the world but is headquartered in the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. Dozens of Indian businesses, including some of India’s largest corporations like the State Bank of India (state-run) and ICICI Bank, are members of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce through the USIBC. Annual membership dues range from $7,500 to $15,000 or more, and the money is given directly into the Chamber’s 501(c)(6) bank account. Like the USBBC, the USIBC generates well over $200,000 a year in dues for the U.S. Chamber of Commerce from foreign businesses. On the USIBC website, many of the groups lobbying goals advocate changing American policy to help businesses in India. Under the manufacturing policy goal, USIBC boasts that it “can play a helpful role in guiding U.S. companies to India, while supporting various policy initiatives that will enhance India’s reputation as a major manufacturing and investment hub.”

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Gayle in MD
10-07-2010, 07:47 AM
<span style='font-size: 20pt'> Previously, it has been reported that foreign firms like BP, Shell Oil, and Siemens are active members of the Chamber. But on a larger scale, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce appears to rely heavily on fundraising from firms all over the world, including China, India, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Brazil, Russia, and many other places. <span style='font-size: 26pt'>Of course, because the Chamber successfully lobbied to kill campaign finance reforms aimed at establishing transparency, the Chamber does not have to reveal any of the funding for its ad campaigns. Dues-paying members of the Chamber could potentially be sending additional funds this year to help air more attack ads against Democrats.</span>
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Gayle in MD
10-07-2010, 07:48 AM
<span style='font-size: 26pt'>
Here’s how it works. Regular dues from American firms to the Chamber can range from $500 to $300,000 or more, depending on their size and industry, and can be used for any purpose deemed necessary by the Chamber leadership. For example, the health insurance giant Aetna has reported that it paid $100,000 in annual dues to the Chamber in the past. But for specific advocacy or advertising campaigns, corporations can hide behind the label of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and give additional money. Last year, alongside their regular dues, health insurance companies like Aetna secretly funneled up to $20 million to the Chamber for attack ads aimed at killing health reform (publicly, health insurance executives claimed they supported reform). Last week, Politico reported that News Corporation, the parent company of Fox News, gave an extra $1 million to the Chamber for its election season attack campaign.
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Gayle in MD
10-07-2010, 07:50 AM
<span style='font-size: 26pt'> There are many reasons foreign corporations are seeking to defeat Democratic candidates this November. The Chamber has repeatedly sent out issue alerts attacking Democratic efforts to encourage businesses to hire locally rather than outsource to foreign counties. The Chamber has also bitterly fought Democrats for opposing unfettered free trade deals. To galvanize foreign businesses, the Chamber has commissioned former Ambassador Frank Lavin — who served as the McCain-Palin Asia campaign director and has appeared on television multiple times recently saying a Democratic Congress is bad for business — to speak before various foreign Chamber affiliates to talk about the stakes for the 2010 midterm elections.

Because campaign finance laws prohibit foreign entities from contributing to political races here in America, we asked the Chamber to defend the legality of its fundraising operation. We have yet to receive a response. But as word of our investigation began to leak out yesterday, the Chamber informed Politico’s Mike Allen that it is now “preparing a response.”
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Gayle in MD
10-07-2010, 07:52 AM
<span style='font-size: 26pt'>
Update The US Chamber of Commerce has responded to this post in a statement to the Politico's Ben Smith. The Chamber's Tita Freeman did not dispute that the Chamber's 501(c)(6) organization running attack ads receives foreign funds, and simply claimed, "We have a system in place" to prevent foreign funding for the Chamber's "political activities."
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<span style="color: #FF0000"> <span style='font-size: 26pt'>BWA HA HA HA....IOW, TRUST US! WHO THE HECK DO THEY THING THEY'RE KIDDING!!!! </span> </span>

pooltchr
10-07-2010, 07:53 AM
She is getting almost as good as Sheldon. Cut and Paste and then refuse to defend your position.



Gayle....Larry asked you a simple question.
Why don't you answer it?

Steve

LWW
10-07-2010, 09:48 AM
My guess is that the spoon wielder is running late today.

LWW

LWW
10-10-2010, 05:23 PM
I know you hate this, but there are 2 sides to every story:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Two top Republicans lit into President Obama and the Democratic Party Sunday over accusations that the GOP strategists and the Chamber of Commerce were using foreign contributions to influence the election, calling the claim a "baseless lie" and accusing the president of "abuse of power."

Karl Rove, a Fox News contributor, said on "Fox News Sunday" that the president had gone too far.

<span style='font-size: 11pt'>"Have these people no shame? Does the president of the United States have such little regard for the office that he holds that he goes out there and makes these kind of baseless charges against his political enemies?" Rove said. "This is just beyond the pale. How dare the president do this."</span>

Rove was referring to a series of charges that have been leveled over the past week. Obama first said at a rally in Maryland Thursday that the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, which he referred to without mentioning by name, was paying for ads against Democrats while taking money from "foreign corporations."

"So groups that receive foreign money are spending huge sums to influence American elections, and they won't tell you where the money for their ads come from," Obama said.

Then the Democratic National Committee rolled out an ad accusing Rove, former Republican National Committee Chairman Ed Gillespie and the Chamber of Commerce of "stealing our democracy."

The ad accuses them of "spending millions from secret donors to elect Republicans to do their bidding in Congress," adding: "It appears they've even taking secret foreign money to influence our elections."

Rove and Gillespie helped found the political group American Crossroads; Rove also helped found Crossroads GPS.

But Rove said those groups raise money legally, that it's "inaccurate" to say he's personally writing out checks to the groups and that American Crossroads reports its donors. In a heated retort, Rove said Sunday that the DNC ad effectively accused them all of a criminal violation of U.S. law -- only without proof.

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>"They have not one shred of evidence to back up that baseless lie. This is a desperate and I think disturbing trend by the president of the United States to tar his political adversaries with some kind of, you know, enemies list unrestrained by any facts or evidence whatsoever,"</span> Rove said.

The Chamber of Commerce accusation apparently stemmed from a report last week by the Center for American Progress-affiliated Think Progress. The report claimed the Chamber was generating hundreds of thousands of dollars in foreign money every year and questioned whether those funds were going toward its multimillion-dollar political operations.

<span style='font-size: 17pt'>But the Chamber adamantly denies this, saying foreign money is separated from its U.S. political activity. The Chamber said in a statement Sunday that the DNC ad is "ridiculous and false."</span> Rove also said the White House cannot back up its accusation.

Asked about the charge, White House senior adviser David Axelrod put the onus on groups like the Chamber of Commerce to prove foreign money is not influencing the election.

"No one knows where the money's coming from," he said on CBS' "Face the Nation." "Why not simply disclose where this money is from and then all these questions will be answered?"

But Gillespie said the idea that the White House could lob charges and then leave it up to the accused to refute them is an "unbelievable mentality."

"David Axelrod is either woefully uninformed or willfully deceptive and dishonest," Gillespie said.

<span style='font-size: 20pt'>He said Obama was basing his original charge off a report from a group, the Center for American Progress, "that does not disclose its donors."</span>

"This is the kind of abuse of power in a lot of ways ... that most Americans are rejecting," Gillespie said.</div></div>


And now you know the rest of the story. (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/10/10/rove-gillespie-slam-obama-spreading-baseless-lie-foreign-contributions/)

LWW

pooltchr
10-16-2010, 05:23 PM
I'm not quite sure I understand why the Dems, who let the president of a foreign country tell us what our immigration policy should be, who want the approval of the UN to establish our foreign policy, with a president who bows to foreign leaders, is concerned about a little foreign currency coming into the country. Could it be that is is ok, only when it is coming to them, and not to the other side?

Steve

LWW
10-17-2010, 01:51 AM
Because the foundations of the regime are lies, fraud, and propaganda with anti capitalism and anti American exceptionalism as the mortar holding it all together.

LWW

Qtec
10-17-2010, 05:36 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm not quite sure I understand why the Dems, who let the president of a foreign country tell us what our immigration policy should be, who want the approval of the UN to establish our foreign policy, with a president who bows to foreign leaders, is concerned about a little foreign currency coming into the country. Could it be that is is ok, only when it is coming to them, and not to the other side?

Steve </div></div>

Its good to know that you don't mind foreign countries running US elections.

Q

LWW
10-17-2010, 06:03 AM
I don't think he's for it, and I know I'm not.

We also both know that you will slavishly ignore the fact that the regime has zero evidence to support their claims and that the evidence of the democrooks taking foreign money is overwhelming.

But, we love you anyway Snoopy. You keep me in stitches.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a247/lww/ONLINE%20ARGUMENTS/Snoopy.jpg

LWW

pooltchr
10-17-2010, 06:55 AM
Q. If I were to come to you and give you pool lessons, then decide to donate some of what you paid me to a US political candidate, wouldn't that be pretty much the same thing?

Aren't we always being told that we live in a global economy?

How can you not see what is right in front of your nose? Obama gets paid by the chicoms and that's ok. Rep candidates get contributions from the C of C, and because they get some money from overseas, somehow that is terrible.

I wonder how much money Obama collected for his campaign from foreigners when he was running for office. All those internet contributions were monitored, weren't they??????????????


Steve

Sev
10-17-2010, 07:18 AM
16 days left and they still have no definitive proof of the accusation.

sack316
10-17-2010, 08:16 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Its good to know that you don't mind foreign countries running US elections.

Q </div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Obama campaign website even featured a drop-down box enabling donors to specify from what country they were donating. All the donor had to do was check a box certifying that he was legally eligible to make a donation. There was no safeguard in place to make sure that foreign nationals did not donate from these countries, in flagrant defiance of the federal law forbidding candidates from receiving foreign donations. </div></div>

http://biggovernment.com/files/2010/10/obama-foreign-donations1.jpg
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Obama’s campaign received donations from the world over: the Virgin Islands, Vienna, The Hague, Madrid, London, Geneva, Tokyo, Bangkok, Turin, Paris, Munich, Madrid, Roma, Zurich, Moscow, Milan, Singapore, Beijing, Switzerland, Toronto, Vancouver, Dublin, Panama, Berlin, Geneva, Buenos Aires, Prague, Nagoya, Budapest, Barcelona, Sweden, Taipei, Hong Kong, Rio de Janeiro, Sydney, Zurich, Ragusa, Amsterdam, Hamburg, Uganda, Mumbai, Tunis, Zacatecas, St. Croix, Mississauga, Lima, Copenhagen, Dubai, Jeddah, Kabul, Cairo, and many others. </div></div>

Wondering where this thread was two years ago...

Sack

pooltchr
10-17-2010, 08:47 AM
2 years ago, getting foreign money was a good thing...because the Dems were the ones benefiting.

Steve

LWW
10-17-2010, 08:51 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">2 years ago, getting foreign money was a good thing...because the Dems were the ones benefiting.

Steve </div></div>

<u><span style='font-size: 26pt'>*DING*</span></u>

LWW

sack316
10-17-2010, 09:29 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">2 years ago, getting foreign money was a good thing...because the Dems were the ones benefiting.

Steve </div></div>

WHAAAAAATTTT? A double standard? Surely you jest good sir!

Sack

pooltchr
10-17-2010, 11:58 AM
There are so many things that the left were collectively screaming about when GW was in office, that seem to be just fine when Obama does the same things.

They need to change the party name to the Hypocrats!

Steve

sack316
10-17-2010, 12:57 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

They need to change the party name to the Hypocrats!

Steve </div></div>

lol, I'm liking that one!

Sack

hondo
10-17-2010, 01:56 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">16 days left and they still have no definitive proof of the accusation. </div></div>

Then it's probably not true, right, Sev?
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

LWW
10-18-2010, 02:25 AM
Quite true ... and a confession that you believe whatever "TRUTH" the party spoon feeds you.

No proof? No problem for Aitch.

LWW

Qtec
10-18-2010, 04:14 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Q. If I were to come to you and give you pool lessons, then decide to donate some of what you paid me to a US political candidate, wouldn't that be pretty much the same thing?

<span style="color: #CC0000"><span style='font-size: 14pt'>No.</span></span>

Aren't we always being told that we live in a global economy? </div></div>

<span style="color: #CC0000">You have told me on several occasions that what happens in America
'is not my buisiness' etc because I am a Euro and not an American citizen!

Just yesterday you said this,</span>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> And since nobody rammed Obamacare down your throat, why is it any concern of yours??????????

Steve</div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> How can you not see what is right in front of your nose? Obama gets paid by the chicoms and that's ok. Rep candidates get contributions from the C of C, and because they get some money from overseas, somehow that is terrible.

I wonder how much money Obama collected for his campaign from foreigners when he was running for office. All those internet contributions were monitored, weren't they??????????????


Steve </div></div>




<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <span style='font-size: 14pt'> Neither the Times nor the Post appear to have pressed the Chamber to answer two critical questions:</span>

1) How many foreign sources of funding does the Chamber have? The Washington Post’s Greg Sargent received this statement from a Chamber spokeswoman: “[Of] the Chamber’s 300,000 members, a relative handful are non-U.S. based companies.” How many is a “relatively handful,” and how much do they contribute?

2)<span style='font-size: 17pt'> Are the foreign funds being directed into the same general account that is used to pay for partisan attack ads?</span> Again, the Post’s Greg Sargent pressed on this point. The Chamber, which is running more than $10 million in political advertising just this week (the largest expenditure in one week by an outside group), said, “We are not obligated to discuss our internal accounting procedures.”</div></div>

If they have nothing to hide it would be easy for them to embarrass the Govt.

Q

LWW
10-18-2010, 05:35 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

If they have nothing to hide it would be easy for them to embarrass the Govt.

Q </div></div>

So you support the idea that Obama should release his Harvard transcripts ... and those from Columbia ... and Occidental ... and his medical records ... and his passport files?

If he has nothing to hide it would be easy for him to embarrass the insurgents.

LWW

Qtec
10-18-2010, 06:31 AM
Grow up. This isn't about Obama. Not EVERYTHING is about Obama.

This is about anonymous entities running attack ads against US Political candidates and the survival of Democracy.

Q

Gayle in MD
10-18-2010, 07:52 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Grow up. This isn't about Obama. Not EVERYTHING is about Obama.

This is about anonymous entities running attack ads against US Political candidates and the survival of Democracy.

Q </div></div>

<span style="color: #FF0000"> LOL, they don't think
America is a Democracy, LMAO....so I guess they don't care about Democracy.

In this matter of the Supreme Court, saying that a corporation is a person, how the hell could anyone in a sane state of mind, agree with THAT?

Wrong on it's face!

RW activist Supreme Court can do anything, including pushing for special interests from foreign countries, to buy our candidates, and use American Special Interest PAWNS, against the interest of the American People.

To me, the Republican Party, is the same thing as being taken from within, by communists. That's how they vote, and that's how they act.

Freedom? LMAO, they want to move inside our bedrooms, dictate to all others, about personal family matters. Refuse to admit to our environmental threats, poisons in our food and water, curruption in the Military Ind. Complex, lie us into wars, that should never rhave been fought.

<span style='font-size: 11pt'> I will never vote for a Republican! NEVER! Every crooked damaging devastating change I have seen in my country, came from REPUBLICAN POLICIES. Issa will destroy what's left of America, with investigation after investigation...he's already said it.

How can any intelligent person, justify voting for a Party, which consistantly denies the realities of science.The Tea Party wants to take the country back, to the Dark Ages. Knuckle Dragging Nenderthals! Grayson got it just right!

G.




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avmaster
10-18-2010, 08:31 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Grow up. This isn't about Obama. Not EVERYTHING is about Obama.

This is about anonymous entities running attack ads against US Political candidates and the survival of Democracy.

Q </div></div>

<span style="color: #FF0000"> LOL, they don't think
America is a Democracy, LMAO....so I guess they don't care about Democracy.

In this matter of the Supreme Court, saying that a corporation is a person, how the hell could anyone in a sane state of mind, agree with THAT?

Wrong on it's face!

RW activist Supreme Court can do anything, including pushing for special interests from foreign countries, to buy our candidates, and use American Special Interest PAWNS, against the interest of the American People.

To me, the Republican Party, is the same thing as being taken from within, by communists. That's how they vote, and that's how they act.

Freedom? LMAO, they want to move inside our bedrooms, dictate to all others, about personal family matters. Refuse to admit to our environmental threats, poisons in our food and water, curruption in the Military Ind. Complex, lie us into wars, that should never rhave been fought.

<span style='font-size: 11pt'> I will never vote for a Republican! NEVER! Every crooked damaging devastating change I have seen in my country, came from REPUBLICAN POLICIES. Issa will destroy what's left of America, with investigation after investigation...he's already said it.

How can any intelligent person, justify voting for a Party, which consistantly denies the realities of science.The Tea Party wants to take the country back, to the Dark Ages. Knuckle Dragging Nenderthals! Grayson got it just right!

G.




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Since this is not a Democracy, We are a REPUBLIC, your rants are only that, a rant..... and terribly misinformed to boot.....

Gayle in MD
10-18-2010, 08:34 AM
We are a Republic, and our form of Government, is Representative, DEMOCRACY.

You, are sadly and stunningly misinformed, if you don't realize that..

pooltchr
10-18-2010, 11:14 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We are a Republic, and our form of Government, is Representative, DEMOCRACY.

You, are sadly and stunningly misinformed, if you don't realize that.. </div></div>

Once again, our resident scholar speaks on something about which she knows little.

It's so predictable...and amusing to watch.

Steve

avmaster
10-18-2010, 11:23 AM
Seems she must have missed that part in her studies. And you are correct, amusing.......

pooltchr
10-18-2010, 12:03 PM
They don't cover that stuff at the University of HuffPo!

Steve

llotter
10-18-2010, 02:50 PM
More importantly, this is supposed to be a 'Constitutional Republic', with the representatives gaining their authority from the Constitution. A Democracy is majority rule and as the founders were well aware, it leads to tyranny.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”
C.S. Lewis </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.
Thomas Jefferson </div></div>

pooltchr
10-18-2010, 03:24 PM
There you go posting those pesky little <u>facts</u> again.

Steve

hondo
10-18-2010, 06:52 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We are a Republic, and our form of Government, is Representative, DEMOCRACY.

You, are sadly and stunningly misinformed, if you don't realize that.. </div></div>

We are a Republic. But the term "democratic" has altered over the years to mean something other than its original intent.
Thus, most folks tend to think we have a democratic process which isn't technically quite correct.

Qtec
10-19-2010, 12:47 AM
How would you describe the US election process?

Let me help you.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">An election is a formal decision-making process by which <span style='font-size: 17pt'>a population chooses an individual to hold public office.</span>[1]

<span style="color: #990000"> Ring a bell?</span>


<span style='font-size: 20pt'>Elections have been the usual mechanism by which <span style="color: #3366FF">modern representative democracy operates</span> <u>since the 17th century</u> </span></div></div>

You can look these things up for yourself you know.

Q

Gayle in MD
10-19-2010, 07:05 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How would you describe the US election process?

Let me help you.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">An election is a formal decision-making process by which <span style='font-size: 17pt'>a population chooses an individual to hold public office.</span>[1]

<span style="color: #990000"> Ring a bell?</span>


<span style='font-size: 20pt'>Elections have been the usual mechanism by which <span style="color: #3366FF">modern representative democracy operates</span> <u>since the 17th century</u> </span></div></div>

You can look these things up for yourself you know.

Q


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LMAO! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif


They'd just edit out what they didn't agree with, even if they did look things ups, same way they do with the Constitution.

G. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/tired.gif

avmaster
10-19-2010, 07:19 AM
G. You certainly are entertaining with your hooded views of non reality......

eg8r
10-19-2010, 07:58 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How would you describe the US election process?
</div></div>This is quick and dirty but here goes. The US election process consists of voters going to poll and making suggestions. Once that is through the Electoral College makes the final decision. Also, I believe, if the Electoral College does not pick a majority winner the next group with a shot is the House of Representatives.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
10-19-2010, 10:23 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Title Forum Post Time
1 Re: Repubs Using Foreign $ To Skew Elections Non Pool Related Today at 09:19 AM
2 Re: TP thugocracy....... Non Pool Related Today at 08:47 AM
3 Re: No words to describe this. Non Pool Related Today at 08:31 AM
4 Re: Repubs Using Foreign $ To Skew Elections Non Pool Related Yesterday at 01:23 PM
5 Re: Repubs Using Foreign $ To Skew Elections Non Pool Related Yesterday at 10:31 AM
6 Re: What kind of man would do such a thing? Non Pool Related 28/03/10 01:31 PM
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All of the above, made by you, bashing either me, or Hondo.

After this one post from me, you're on Ignore.

We really aren't short of cyber-stalking nasty, personally insulting invaders from AZ around here.

We already had a few of "Your kind" already here, before "Your kind" showed up , but you are wasting you time posting anything to me...I don't associate with the crude, rude and delusional, radical RWerson their quest to take over this forum, from AZ. I also do not associate with the CCBers, who have been here all along, and behave the same nasty way that you do, who also Continue to attack another user, and who can't control (themselves) himself.

bubbye Bubba....

pooltchr
10-19-2010, 12:21 PM
Damn, Av! I think you hold the record for being put on Galye's ignore list the fastest! Good job.

Since you are still new around here, let me explain what exactly that means.

Gayle will still read every word you post. She can't help herself.
She will not respond to you directly, but will use posts directed toward someone else to attack your posts. She has done this for quite some time, and it is fun to watch her squirm.
Recently Hounduh has started doing the same thing.

They are really pittiful, but quite amusing.

Steve