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hondo
10-24-2010, 07:03 AM
What if the Republicans cared more about America than they did about destroying Obama's credibility?
What if they rolled up their sleeves when he got in and tried to fix the problems we were facing and help the American people.
Earnest, open discussions.
Health care for the working poor.

It makes me very sad to see what American politics has become.
Politicians are controlled by massive special interest groups
and we are on a downward spiral.

The Right Wingers on here are practically peeing themselves they are so giddy over the prospect of the Tea Parties getting in.
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Then, government stops. Nothing is achieved.
By 2012 then, supposedly, America will have so much hate for Obama that a Republican will be named POTUS and a new era
of American prosperity will begin.

Maybe. We'll see. I don't remember it being too hot the last time that happened but, who knows?

I can't help but lament over what could have been if the people were put first.

sack316
10-24-2010, 07:29 AM
Hondo I have very similar thoughts, which go both ways.

Seems all parties strive towards two things: rhetoric and discrediting their opponents.

I'm tired of seeing/hearing "this is what I am going to do", with "how I'm going to do it" always being left out... or at best only quasi-answered with some generic fluff. Then inevitably the rest of the pitch is just bashing the opponent, I assume in hopes of making the public not want to vote for said opponent... when in reality it would serve much better for one to make the public want to vote for them.

At any rate, I didn't like '08 when there were all these promises and awesomely exciting sounding "ideas" (*cough, cough*) with no substance to back them up. I didn't give a pass then, nor do I give one now... as the big republican and/or tea party push is full of a whole lot of thoughts--- which may or may not sound good to some--- but still isn't backed up with much substance or that "how" thingy I so crave to know.

What if baseball was like our system? Where I could just say "you know, I'm going to take over this team. And when I do, we are going to be very profitable, sell out every game, break records, and win the World Series!" Well hell, who wouldn't want all of that? But would I get the job without being able to very clearly explain "how" all of this would happen? Certainly not.

But then suppose somehow I got the rufee into the owners coffee or something, and tricked him into giving me that shot. I, of course, fail miserably as I really didn't have a true plan that could work out in such a way. How long would I have that job? I certainly wouldn't be "re-elected" over and over again to keep trying!

Yet... this is what we do. Except it's with our country.

Sack

LWW
10-24-2010, 08:23 AM
What if the democrats had cared more about America than they did about destroying Bush's credibility?
What if they had rolled up their sleeves when they got in and tried to fix the problems we were facing and help the American people.
Earnest, open discussions.
Health care for the working poor.

It makes me very sad to see what American politics has become.
Politicians are controlled by massive special interest groups
and we are on a downward spiral.

The Leftt Wingers on here are practically peeing themselves they are so dreadful over the prospect of the Tea Parties getting in.

Then, government stops. Nothing is achieved.
By 2012 then, supposedly, America will have so much hate for RINO's and democrooks that a true patriot will be elected POTUS and a new era
of American prosperity will begin.

Maybe. We'll see. I don't remember it being too hot the last time that happened but, who knows?

I can't help but lament over what could have been if the people were put first.

LWW

pooltchr
10-24-2010, 08:50 AM
Getting people who are neither Rep or Dem into congress right now would be the best thing we could hope to have happen.
Getting someone who is neither Rep or Dem into the White House in 2012 might be the only thing that could pull the country out of the downward spiral we have been in for quite some time.

If we want to fight against something, we need to be fighting the two party system as it is today.

Steve

Gayle in MD
10-24-2010, 09:00 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What if the Republicans cared more about America than they did about destroying Obama's credibility?
What if they rolled up their sleeves when he got in and tried to fix the problems we were facing and help the American people.
Earnest, open discussions.
Health care for the working poor.

It makes me very sad to see what American politics has become.
Politicians are controlled by massive special interest groups
and we are on a downward spiral.

The Right Wingers on here are practically peeing themselves they are so giddy over the prospect of the Tea Parties getting in.
r
Then, government stops. Nothing is achieved.
By 2012 then, supposedly, America will have so much hate for Obama that a Republican will be named POTUS and a new era
of American prosperity will begin.

Maybe. We'll see. I don't remember it being too hot the last time that happened but, who knows?

I can't help but lament over what could have been if the people were put first. </div></div>

I find it very sad, that there are so many Americans who do not stay informed by doing their own studies, instead of falling for untrue, RW propaganda and rhetoric from the likes of two former addicted alcohol and drug addicts, Limpballs, and Beck, and be supporting someone like Sara Palin, who other than Bush and McCain, is the biggest phoney to ever emerge on the National scene, since Reagan, and the most exploitative money grabber in history.

Take a look back at what this President told the public, would be his goals.

Health care reform. PAST! And after a whole list of republican and Democratic presidents, going back decades in our history, failed to achieve! Progress!

Getting us out of Iraq. Huge Progress! Especially since "the Surge" obviously failed, no political progress, Iraqis still killing one another, no solution on oil profit distribution, we just basically had to make a run for it, like Vietnam, because it was a huge mistake in the first place.

Addressing the far more important problem, in Afghanistan, AS HE PROMISED. Difficult, but some Progress beginning to show up.

Ending Bush's torture policy. Accomplished.

Cutting taxes for the Middle Class. Stimulus included thirty percent of the money used to cut taxes.

Spending to stimulate the economy. Did so, but his efforts have so far been held back by the same crooked banks, and Wall Street Financial Institutions who want the Repubs back in there so they can go right back to stealing from all of the rest of us.

Managed to address TARP, so that we are now making money off those loans, at an eight percent return to the American tax payer....TARP the program that Bush gave away with no strings attached. HUGE PROGRESS!

Had he bowed down to the Republican obstructionism, we'd be at fifteen to thirty percent unemployment, by now, and RW radicals, on this forum, who used to say "The deficits don't matter" /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif are too ignoranct to understand that there is a time for spending, and no time is it more essential, than when the entire American Economy has collapsed, as it did DURING THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION.

Managed to save the American Automobile Industry, saving at the very least, one to five million jobs, and that money, also, thanks to president Obama, is being repaid at a profit to the Amerian Tax Payer. HUGE PROGRESS!

Managed to maintain peace and first responders, on the streets of America, and in our towns and small cities, by using the stimulus to mantain firemen and policemen in their jobs, an act which Republican bash him for, AFTER taking every dollar they could get, for their various stimulus projects, and public safety measures. Excellent!

Addressing our educational problems, wonder what they would be now, if he hadn't given money to the States, in the stimulus, to keep teachers in the classrooms. Excellent!

He managed to divert the Bush Depression, albiet, far more difficult to recover from, jobs always the last recovery element, and bush's mess was far more deep than many of us knew, but, nevertheless, the Bush depression, it didn't happen, so far, no Bush Depression. PROGRESS!

Some gains in the private sector, including jobs, and in fact, he has created more private sector jobs already, than Bush did in eight years. HUGE PROGRESS!

Working to overturn the horrible wrap American was getting from the rest of the world, sans Bush, and he did that, also. He is highly respected all over the world, reminds me of Bill Clinton, who is THE MOST ADMIRED public official in the world. AGain, HUGE PROGRESS!

While it's obvious, Republicans launched the most pervasive obstructionism ever seen in American Politics, and did so at our most vulnerable and difficult time since The Great Depression, it's also obvious that they led the congress for the preceeding years, of digging us into massive debts, weakening our options to deal with Bush's near Depression AND HIS LEFT OVER F-ed up wars! Both in complete disaster when he walked off.
And killing us financially!

<span style='font-size: 11pt'>HUGE PROGRESS! </span>

Nevertheless, the President has made his stated campaign goals, his priorities, while the right, has twisted each of his sucesses, into a Muslim/socialist takeover of America. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

Meanwhile, they have not uttered a single policy for solving our probloems, just the same old rhetoric for cutting spending, and cutting taxes, which none of us have witnessed since Clinton held the veto pen.

When it comes to utterly ridiculous accusations, blatant racism, and massive politics of personal destruction, the Tea Party, and the Repuublican Party, of today, have taken our country down to the most shameful level since we learned that the Bush administration had outed A NOC Secret Agent, and lied us into a war for his oil cronies.

They have besmudged America's fudamental former honor, even more than Bush had already managed, before this President had to inherit the worst legacy since The Great Depression.

This has been one of the most disgraceful times in our history, and Karl Rove, the un-indicted treasonist, is still at the forefront of the hidden, shady foreign contributions, from the top few most filthy corporate, foreign and domestic, polluters and outsourcers in the country, indicative of Republican illegal campaign money, flowing behind the scenes, from the same corporate pigs who put us into the mess that President Obama inherited.

The only good thing about our current situation, is that Republicans, if they win the congress, will have to finally roll up their sleves, and work, for the first time since the economy collapsed, and they will actually have to compromise with President Obama, instead of just obstructing the recovery.
Thank heaven, this president will still hold the Veto pen, and manage to keep them from a complete fascist global corporate/ foreign sell out to the top one percent, sans Bush, and the underlying cause of all of our problems.

G.

hondo
10-24-2010, 09:04 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Getting people who are neither Rep or Dem into congress right now would be the best thing we could hope to have happen.
Getting someone who is neither Rep or Dem into the White House in 2012 might be the only thing that could pull the country out of the downward spiral we have been in for quite some time.

If we want to fight against something, we need to be fighting the two party system as it is today.

Steve </div></div>

Agreed, Steve. Where you and I disagree is in your believing that the Tea Party is different from the Republican Party and is a viable option.

hondo
10-24-2010, 09:07 AM
"The only good thing abuot our current situation, is that Republicans, if they win the congress, will have to finally roll up their sleves, and work, for the first time since the economy collapsed, to compromise with President Obama, instead of just obstructing the recovery."


But they won't. They have stated that their goal is complete gridlock and several of our fellow posters on here think that is wonderful.

Gayle in MD
10-24-2010, 09:33 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"The only good thing abuot our current situation, is that Republicans, if they win the congress, will have to finally roll up their sleves, and work, for the first time since the economy collapsed, to compromise with President Obama, instead of just obstructing the recovery."


But they won't. They have stated that their goal is complete gridlock and several of our fellow posters on here think that is wonderful. </div></div>

Well, they are going to be in shock, when the only thing that saves them from losing everything, will be Obama's VETO PEN, because the first thing the Republicans are going to do is give more money to the rich, and the corporations that outsource ouor jobs, more to the top one percent, while they raise taxes on the rest of us, and destroy Social Security and medicare.

then they can sit around and wait for that fabulous trickle down, that never shows up, and has never shown up in history!

Then we'll see how patriotic they are, when they see armless, legless Veterans living all over our streets, with no roof over their haeds, which is already happening to some degree. Why? Because President Obama, had to fight with Republicans, to get the stimulus, and it should have been far more money, and would have been, if Republican Obstructionism, with the help of a few turn coat democratics, would have stopped obstructing, and gone along with it...IOW, the simulus should havve been greater....

G.

pooltchr
10-24-2010, 10:17 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Well, they are going to be in shock, when the only thing that saves them from losing everything, will be Obama's VETO PEN, G.

</div></div>

Are you suggesting that Obama will become the obstructionist, preventing the Reps from accomplishing anything of value?????

Why is it bad for the Reps to try and stop the Dem agenda, but you believe that Obama trying to stop the Reps would be a good thing?

Is it anything other than more partisan politics on your part?

Steve

pooltchr
10-24-2010, 10:21 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"The only good thing abuot our current situation, is that Republicans, if they win the congress, will have to finally roll up their sleves, and work, for the first time since the economy collapsed, to compromise with President Obama, instead of just obstructing the recovery."


</div></div>

But as Gayle pointed out, can we expect Obama to attempt to obstruct every plan the Reps have to fix things?
The huge shift in power coming next week will be due in great part to the failed administration of Obama and the gestapo style leadership of Reid and Pelosi.
Why would the Reps have to compromise with Obama? He sure didn't include the Reps in any of his agenda items!

Steve

Qtec
10-24-2010, 08:24 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Well, they are going to be in shock, when the only thing that saves them from losing everything, will be Obama's VETO PEN, G.

</div></div>

Are you suggesting that Obama will become the obstructionist, preventing the Reps from accomplishing anything of value?????

Why is it bad for the Reps to try and stop the Dem agenda, but you believe that Obama trying to stop the Reps would be a good thing?

Is it anything other than more partisan politics on your part?

Steve </div></div>

O........M.......G!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Such blazing hypocrisy.


I think I'm going to throw up.

Q

Qtec
10-24-2010, 08:28 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">can we expect Obama to attempt to obstruct every plan the Reps have to fix things? </div></div>

WHAT PLAN?

Oh this plan,
"stop spending, give tax breaks and reduce the deficit ".

That's not a plan, that's a wish.

Repeatedly when asked GOP/TP candidates cannot name one single specific thing they would do if they get into power.

Q

hondo
10-24-2010, 09:22 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Well, they are going to be in shock, when the only thing that saves them from losing everything, will be Obama's VETO PEN, G.

</div></div>

Are you suggesting that Obama will become the obstructionist, preventing the Reps from accomplishing anything of value?????

Why is it bad for the Reps to try and stop the Dem agenda, but you believe that Obama trying to stop the Reps would be a good thing?

Is it anything other than more partisan politics on your part?

Steve </div></div>

O........M.......G!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Such blazing hypocrisy.


I think I'm going to throw up.

Q </div></div>


I just shook my head and laughed.
Nothing these gentlemen posts surprises me any more.

Gayle in MD
10-24-2010, 10:55 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Well, they are going to be in shock, when the only thing that saves them from losing everything, will be Obama's VETO PEN, G.

</div></div>

Are you suggesting that Obama will become the obstructionist, preventing the Reps from accomplishing anything of value?????

Why is it bad for the Reps to try and stop the Dem agenda, but you believe that Obama trying to stop the Reps would be a good thing?

Is it anything other than more partisan politics on your part?

Steve </div></div>

O........M.......G!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Such blazing hypocrisy.


I think I'm going to throw up.

Q </div></div>

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Gayle in MD
10-24-2010, 10:56 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Well, they are going to be in shock, when the only thing that saves them from losing everything, will be Obama's VETO PEN, G.

</div></div>

Are you suggesting that Obama will become the obstructionist, preventing the Reps from accomplishing anything of value?????

Why is it bad for the Reps to try and stop the Dem agenda, but you believe that Obama trying to stop the Reps would be a good thing?

Is it anything other than more partisan politics on your part?

Steve </div></div>

O........M.......G!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Such blazing hypocrisy.


I think I'm going to throw up.

Q </div></div>


I just shook my head and laughed.
Nothing these gentlemen posts surprises me any more. </div></div> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

La La Land. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

LWW
10-25-2010, 04:00 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Well, they are going to be in shock, when the only thing that saves them from losing everything, will be Obama's VETO PEN, G.

</div></div>

Are you suggesting that Obama will become the obstructionist, preventing the Reps from accomplishing anything of value?????

Why is it bad for the Reps to try and stop the Dem agenda, but you believe that Obama trying to stop the Reps would be a good thing?

Is it anything other than more partisan politics on your part?

Steve </div></div>

O........M.......G!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Such blazing hypocrisy.


I think I'm going to throw up.

Q </div></div>


I just shook my head and laughed.
Nothing these gentlemen posts surprises me any more. </div></div>

I thought you said you don't read them?

LWW

Stretch
10-25-2010, 05:05 AM
Steve and Q's statements were reposted in Hondo's reply. Please try and catch up. St.

LWW
10-25-2010, 05:39 AM
I know ... and he says he doesn't read Steve's.

You've been taking pilot training from Snoopy it seems.

LWW

hondo
10-25-2010, 05:49 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stretch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Steve and Q's statements were reposted in Hondo's reply. Please try and catch up. St. </div></div>


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Stretch
10-25-2010, 06:23 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I know ... and he says he doesn't read Steve's.

You've been taking pilot training from Snoopy it seems.

LWW </div></div>

You are hopeless, and i'm convinced, single. St.

eg8r
10-25-2010, 08:30 AM
Actually, I think you both have it wrong. If the Reps win in droves like some polls think (I don't think they will) they will not have to work with Obama at all. If they get the majority they will begin pushing their own agenda and then we will see if the Dems and Obama will be the obstructionists.

eg8r

pooltchr
10-25-2010, 08:33 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
WHAT PLAN?

Oh this plan,
"stop spending, give tax breaks and reduce the deficit ".

That's not a plan, that's a wish.

Q </div></div>

Not much different than a plan for "Hope and Change"?

You guys are unbelievable. You have spent months accusing the Reps of standing in the way of the Dems, and now that you are faced with the prospect of losing the majority, you are counting on Obama to stand in the way of the Reps.

And some how, you don't see the hypocracy in this.

Maybe we should be expecting Obama to compromise with the Reps, rather than expecting the Reps to compromise with him! He's been driving his steamroller for two years, maybe it's time to put him behind the wheel of something a bit less dangerous...maybe one of those little Barbie jeeps they sell at Wal Mart!!



Steve

hondo
10-25-2010, 12:15 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> If they get the majority they will begin pushing their own agenda and then we will see if the Dems and Obama will be the obstructionists.

eg8r </div></div>


Probably. Paybacks are a bitch.
Not that I agree with that way of thinking.

sack316
10-25-2010, 01:24 PM
on another viewpoint here... but if republicans do take back control... and manage to do as piss poor of a job as they did last time, it may be just the thing Obama needs to secure re-election should things not improve by 2012.

And even if by chance the right takes control, and THEY happen to do a great job... stands to reason Obama may well receive much of the credit (whether it winds up being deserved or not) and reap the benefits of it come 2012.

It could almost be win/win for him, in a sense, should republicans win majority. Scapegoats if things are bad, but able to take a lot of credit should things get better.

I dunno, could be way off there... just something I was thinking.

Sack

hondo
10-25-2010, 08:14 PM
I admire your optimism.
I wish it was realistic.
They will obstruct. Nothing more.