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Qtec
10-28-2010, 01:35 AM
Al Franken, retelling the President's car in the ditch story with a bit more accuracy:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> When the President took office, not only had the car gone into a ditch, the car had flipped over and was rolling down a steep embankment. We, the American people, were in the back seat, and the Bush Administration had removed all the seat belts, so we were all flying around the interior of this car as it was rolling and flipping and careening down this steep embankment, headed to a 2,000 foot cliff. And at the bottom of that cliff were jagged rocks. And alligators.

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>Now, at noon on January 20th, 2009, as the car was careening toward the cliff,<u> George W. Bush jumped out of the car.</u></span>

President Obama somehow managed to dive in through the window, take the wheel and get control of the thing just inches before it went over the precipice. Then, he and Congress starting pushing this wreck back up the embankment. <span style='font-size: 14pt'>Now you can’t push a car up an embankment as fast as it careens down the embankment, especially if some people are trying to push against you.</span> But we got it going in the right direction. And slowly we’ve gotten ourselves up the embankment, out of the ditch and onto the shoulder of the road.

There. That’s what happened. </div></div>

Q

LWW
10-28-2010, 03:49 AM
Unemployment rate when democrook policy took control of the car = 4.6%.

Unemployment rate now = 9.6%.

Increase = 108.7%.

Deficit rate when democrook policy took control of the car = $160B%.

Deficit rate now = 1,440B%.

Increase = 800.0%.

Next spoonful of mythology you would like to have shown to be a pantload by the glaring light of truth?

Poor, poor Snoopy. (http://www.miseryindex.us/URbymonth.asp)

LWW

Qtec
10-28-2010, 04:26 AM
link (http://money.cnn.com/2009/04/03/news/economy/jobs_march/index.htm)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">2 million jobs lost so far in '09
Unemployment rate spikes to 8.5%, a 25-year high, as 663,000 jobs lost <u>in March.</u> <span style='font-size: 17pt'>5.1 million jobs have now been lost <u>since the beginning of 2008 </u></span></div></div>

http://i.l.cnn.net/money/2009/04/03/news/economy/jobs_march/chart_job_losses_040309.03.jpg

Most job losses occurred BEFORE Obama had a chance to do anything. These are facts.

When Obama took over the US was losing 600,000 jobs a month!



Q

LWW
10-28-2010, 04:46 AM
Actually ... it's a leftist myth.

Obama was in the US senate from 01/07 and voting for the destruction you blame on the R's.

LWW

sack316
10-28-2010, 06:13 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">... when democrook policy took control... </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...When Obama took over... </div></div>

You realize these are two different things? That your chart that you posted, which begins in '08, falls in line with when Democrats had the majority in the House and Congress?

That's not to say Bush and republicans had no hand in the downfall... obviously they did more than their fair share for the problems we still currently face.

But seems the position of the left is "well what do you expect in ONLY two years?" When the fact of the matter is they have been in policy making power for nearly four years now (110th congress sworn in January '07).

Sack

Gayle in MD
10-28-2010, 08:44 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> link (http://money.cnn.com/2009/04/03/news/economy/jobs_march/index.htm)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">2 million jobs lost so far in '09
Unemployment rate spikes to 8.5%, a 25-year high, as 663,000 jobs lost <u>in March.</u> <span style='font-size: 17pt'>5.1 million jobs have now been lost <u>since the beginning of 2008 </u></span></div></div>

http://i.l.cnn.net/money/2009/04/03/news/economy/jobs_march/chart_job_losses_040309.03.jpg

Most job losses occurred BEFORE Obama had a chance to do anything. These are facts.

When Obama took over the US was losing 600,000 jobs a month!



Q </div></div>


Yes, and it was actually worse than 600,000.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
0:00 /1:58Job cuts make history
March's monthly loss is up slightly from the loss of 651,000 jobs in February, <span style='font-size: 14pt'>although it's less than the number of jobs lost in January. <span style="color: #FF0000">He's talking about Jan,09! The month Bush jumped out of the CAR! </span> That figure was revised up to a loss of 741,000 jobs -- which now stands as the biggest monthly drop in 59 years.</span>More big job losses likely lie ahead, said Tig Gilliam, chief executive of Adecco Group North America, a unit of the world's largest employment staffing firm. He said many of the layoffs announced in recent months have yet to be implemented.

He predicted that between 600,000 and 700,000 more jobs will be lost in April, and that the best people can hope for is that the pace of job losses starts to slow down heading into summer.

</div></div>

<span style="color: #FF0000">Can you imagine what a nightmare we'd have if McInsane and the grizzleymoma had been in there?

OMG, I hate to think about it!

President Obama and the Dems did an amazing job, while Republicans were sitting over at the Monacle, drinking and telling jokes about how they had crippled the recovery, for their election hopes in 2010...

One Republican, still holding back on an appointment for the top Treasury Deputy!

Republoicans are truly repulsive.

G. </span>

Gayle in MD
10-28-2010, 08:48 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sack316</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">... when democrook policy took control... </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...When Obama took over... </div></div>

You realize these are two different things? That your chart that you posted, which begins in '08, falls in line with when Democrats had the majority in the House and Congress?

That's not to say Bush and republicans had no hand in the downfall... obviously they did more than their fair share for the problems we still currently face.

But seems the position of the left is "well what do you expect in ONLY two years?" When the fact of the matter is they have been in policy making power for nearly four years now (110th congress sworn in January '07).

Sack

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<span style="color: #FF0000">Dems took over in Jan 07....before that date, there were multiple economists, warning the Bush Administration about the coming collapse.

Many of the most repsected economists, from the right, and the left, wrote, that by the end of 06, the collapse was unavoidable. IOW&lt; it was a done deal, before the democratics had control.

Now, I've posted atleast a dozen articles, including government documents, taken during Senate Testimony, which supports that FACT. They're in the archives, if you'd like to check it out, however, there a are quite a few documentaries, available on PBS, mostly on Frontline, and on Charlie Rose's program, which also support the FACT, the economy was already under water and the banking and loaning industries, already had us heading down the cliff, and because of unprofessional banking and loaning practices. It was unavoidabloe, before Democratics had the majority. Iwas was also kept under wraps by the Bush Administration, and Paulso0n, for as long as they could.

Additionally, all of them predicted a very slow job recovery, even before Bush left. Since then, many have written that without the actions taken by President Obama, the country would be at 30% unemployment, due to the BUSH RECESSION, NEARLY A DE-
PRESSION.

G.

</span>

sack316
10-28-2010, 09:29 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<span style="color: #FF0000">Dems took over in Jan 07....before that date, there were multiple economists, warning the Bush Administration about the coming collapse.

Many of the most repsected economists, from the right, and the left, wrote, that by the end of 06, the collapse was unavoidable. IOW&lt; it was a done deal, before the democratics had control.

Now, I've posted atleast a dozen articles, including government documents, taken during Senate Testimony, which supports that FACT. They're in the archives, if you'd like to check it out, however, there a are quite a few documentaries, available on PBS, mostly on Frontline, and on Charlie Rose's program, which also support the FACT, the economy was already under water and the banking and loaning industries, already had us heading down the cliff, and because of unprofessional banking and loaning practices. It was unavoidabloe, before Democratics had the majority. Iwas was also kept under wraps by the Bush Administration, and Paulso0n, for as long as they could.

Additionally, all of them predicted a very slow job recovery, even before Bush left. Since then, many have written that without the actions taken by President Obama, the country would be at 30% unemployment, due to the BUSH RECESSION, NEARLY A DE-
PRESSION.

G.

</span> </div></div>

Which is why I said:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sack316</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
That's not to say Bush and republicans had no hand in the downfall... obviously they did <u>more than their fair share</u> for the problems we <u>still currently face</u>.
</div></div>

Sack

sack316
10-28-2010, 10:02 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">“Look, there's, there's an Obama bumper sticker on the car.”

--Robert Gibbs
</div></div>

Sack

pooltchr
10-28-2010, 11:13 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[]Dems took over in Jan 07....before that date, there were multiple economists, warning the Bush Administration about the coming collapse.

G.

</div></div>

So you are saying that the Dems had plenty of warning by the time they took control of Congress, and yet failed to take any action to head off the recession.

Something we agree on!!!!!!

Steve

Sid_Vicious
10-28-2010, 02:51 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Al Franken, retelling the President's car in the ditch story with a bit more accuracy:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> When the President took office, not only had the car gone into a ditch, the car had flipped over and was rolling down a steep embankment. We, the American people, were in the back seat, and the Bush Administration had removed all the seat belts, so we were all flying around the interior of this car as it was rolling and flipping and careening down this steep embankment, headed to a 2,000 foot cliff. And at the bottom of that cliff were jagged rocks. And alligators.

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>Now, at noon on January 20th, 2009, as the car was careening toward the cliff,<u> George W. Bush jumped out of the car.</u></span>

President Obama somehow managed to dive in through the window, take the wheel and get control of the thing just inches before it went over the precipice. Then, he and Congress starting pushing this wreck back up the embankment. <span style='font-size: 14pt'>Now you can’t push a car up an embankment as fast as it careens down the embankment, especially if some people are trying to push against you.</span> But we got it going in the right direction. And slowly we’ve gotten ourselves up the embankment, out of the ditch and onto the shoulder of the road.

There. That’s what happened. </div></div>

Q </div></div>

It would be good if one of the researchers here for the left would surface all of the times, with dates, where George Bush states, "The economy is strong!" It happened easily within the last 6-12 months BEFORE he had the sudden report to the American public that we were suddenly threatened with another great depression, so he dolled out 700B asap. The accounting on that money was terrible. Still, it's appalling that he ALWAYS said "The economy is strong!" and then said we were at the edge of a depression. He should still be impeached for being a total nin-com-poop! Actually we all pretty much know that he's just a crook...sid

Deeman3
10-28-2010, 02:56 PM
[quote=Sid_Vicious He should still be impeached for being a total nin-com-poop! Actually we all pretty much know that he's just a crook...sid [/quote]

<span style="color: #FF0000">Well, Sid, if he should be retroactively impeached for understating the state of the enonomy, what should be done with Obama for saying the unemployment would not riase above 8%?

I think both sides have some shovel ready projects to examine. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif</span>

Gayle in MD
10-28-2010, 04:31 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deeman3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
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<span style='font-size: 14pt'>President Obama never said that. Keeping unemployment below eight percent was the goal. Repiglicans have blocked everything, and weakened everything. If not for them, we'd have had a stronger health care bill, tighter regulations on the banking and financial industry, and lots more jobs around by now....

We all know Bush and the Republilcan, trashed the economy with all of their spending, cutting taxes, launching war on lies, and borrowing to pay for all of it.

Wake up friend. You righties were attacking we lefties from the beginning of the disastrous Bush Administration, and as it turned out, we were absolutely right about Bush, AND the spendoholic Repiglicans. They destroyed the great legacy left by Bill Clinton, the guy Republicans tried to cripple for eight damned years, launching one witch unt after another, and the only thing they came up with was a little **** on a dress, sore losers, big liars, and will be swept back in by the same ol' Bubba mentality that sent the train off the brack, just like they always do.

"There is nothing WRONG with the economy!!!!!"

Ronald (McDonald) Reagan.

"The economy is strong!"

George "chimp" Bush, the dumbest president in history.

The PIGS who only look out for other PIGS!

G. </span>

pooltchr
10-28-2010, 05:13 PM
When Obama said if he didn't get his stimulus bill passed, unemployment would exceed 8%, he was making the implication that passing the bill would keep it below 8%. So while he actually never said the words, the message was loud and clear.

Steve

pooltchr
10-28-2010, 05:16 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

The PIGS who only look out for other PIGS!

G. </div></div>

As much as we disagree politically, I would never call you a pig.

You need to work on your self esteem.

Steve

LWW
10-29-2010, 02:24 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">OMG, I hate to think ...

G. [/color] </div></div>

That about says it all.

LWW

LWW
10-29-2010, 02:25 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When Obama said if he didn't get his stimulus bill passed, unemployment would exceed 8%, he was making the implication that passing the bill would keep it below 8%. So while he actually never said the words, the message was loud and clear.

Steve </div></div>

Actually Biden's office said exactly that ... it would top at 8% with the stimulus and 9% without it.

With the stimulus we were told that UE would be under 7% by now, compared with about 8.5% without it.

In all cases, the stimulus resulted in a reality far worse than the regime's "WORST CASE SCENARIO" of doing nothing.

http://static.seekingalpha.com/uploads/2009/7/7/saupload_nyt_krugman_romer_stim.png

LWW