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Qtec
11-03-2010, 03:21 AM
Just joking.


Obama just wasted 2 years on that wild goose chase.


They may have the House but they do not have the Senate. They certainly are not capable of getting 60 votes.


Maybe this election result will wake Obama up.


Q

LWW
11-03-2010, 04:21 AM
Obama's wake up call comes in 2012.

And ... don't bet on that 60 votes thingie.

LWW

Qtec
11-03-2010, 04:56 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And ... don't bet on that 60 votes thingie.

LWW </div></div>

Its not a 'thingie', its the new standard. You need 60 votes to pass anything in the Senate.
The GOP have made it so , so don't start whining about it.


Q

Gayle in MD
11-03-2010, 05:36 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Just joking.


Obama just wasted 2 years on that wild goose chase.


They may have the House but they do not have the Senate. They certainly are not capable of getting 60 votes.


Maybe this election result will wake Obama up.


Q </div></div>

Maybe now, Republicans will learn something about what it is like to try to turn around a completely collapsed economy, after everything else had been completely ignored for eight years, and after Bush had been awarding corporations for outsourcing our jobs, for eight years.

Maybe now, they will finally get it through their thick skulls, that Health Insurance corruption, Wall St., Pharmaceuticals, the Oil and credit car industry, ran Americans into the ground with their greed and corruption, all of which played a huge roll in what happened to loads of homeowners, who got dropped and/or screwed, in the interest of corporate greed.

Maybe now, Reopublicans will understand that we can't rebuild our jobs market here, without making investments in businesses that keep them here, or ever have a healthy economy when only the wealthy gain, and everyone else loses ground.

Maybe now, they will see the need to invest in Education, which further declined by the idiotic NCLB Bush mess.

Perhaps, they will finally get it that Health Care corporations were ruining people's lives, and greatly contributed to the bad economy.

Maybe now, they will get what it's like to try to turn around the job market, while dealing with the two Wars that Bush left us stuck in, that should never have been fought.

Actually I don't think they wilol do a damn ting about anything, for another two years, since they already statedd their main goal is to ruin the Democratic president, as usual.

G.

LWW
11-03-2010, 05:50 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And ... don't bet on that 60 votes thingie.

LWW </div></div>

Its not a 'thingie', its the new standard. You need 60 votes to pass anything in the Senate.
The GOP have made it so , so don't start whining about it.


Q </div></div>

CLOTURE: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloture#History)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">President Woodrow Wilson urged the Senate to change its rules to thwart what he called a "little group of willful men", to which the Senate responded by introducing cloture in the form of Rule 22 on March 8, 1917.[1] Cloture was invoked for the first time on November 15, 1919,[2] during the 66th Congress, to end filibuster on the Treaty of Versailles.[3]

The cloture rule originally required a supermajority of two-thirds of all senators "present and voting" to be considered filibuster-proof.[4][5] For example, if all 100 Senators voted on a cloture motion, 67 of those votes would have to be for cloture for it to pass; however if some Senators were absent and only 80 Senators voted on a cloture motion, only 54 would have to vote in favor.[6] However, it proved very difficult to achieve this; the Senate tried eleven times between 1927 and 1962 to invoke cloture but failed each time. Filibuster was particularly heavily used by Democratic Senators from Southern states to block civil rights legislation.[7]

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>In 1975, the Democratic Senate majority, having achieved a net gain of four seats in the 1974 Senate elections to a strength of 61 (with an additional Independent caucusing with them for a total of 62), reduced the necessary supermajority to three-fifths (60 out of 100). However, as a compromise to those who were against the revision, the new rule also changed the requirement for determining the number of votes needed for a cloture motion's passage from those Senators "present and voting" to those Senators "duly chosen and sworn". Thus, 60 votes for cloture would be necessary regardless of whether every Senator voted.</span> The only time a lesser number would become acceptable is when a Senate seat is vacant. (For example, if there were two vacancies in the Senate, thereby making 98 Senators "duly chosen and sworn", it would only take 59 votes for a cloture motion to pass.)[6]

The new version of the cloture rule, which has remained in place since 1975, makes it considerably easier for the Senate majority to invoke cloture. This has considerably strengthened the power of the majority, and allowed it to pass many bills that would otherwise have been filibustered. (The Democratic Party had held a two-thirds majority in the 89th Congress of 1965, but regional divisions among Democrats meant that many filibusters were invoked by Southern Democrats against civil rights bills supported by the Northern wing of the party.) Some senators wanted to reduce it to a simple majority (51 out of 100) but this was rejected, as it would greatly diminish the ability of the minority to check the majority. </div></div>


Cloture has always been an invention of the democratic party. They merely pimped you to believe otherwise when the republkicans had the audacity to demand that the democrooks play by their own rules.

Now ... with dear leader completely radioactive, don't think that the the R's won't be able to get 15 or more democrooks to cross the aisle.

The regime made a huge mistake when they forced many members to back the regime's agenda under threat of not supporting them this fall ... and then leaving them to twist in the wind so that the corrupt carcasses of Reid and Frank could be saved.

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LWW