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pooltchr
11-03-2010, 07:38 PM
If there was only one message that yesterday's election results succeeded in sending to Washington, what do you think is should be?

Personally, I wish they would all figure out that if they refuse to quit all the political posturing and game playing, and don't get down to the business of running this country in a responsible way, they can very easily be replaced.

Somehow, I doubt many of them got it!

Steve

Deeman3
11-03-2010, 08:26 PM
They may be tired of arrogant people on both sides making life altering decisions for them when those people do not have to foot the bill nor have anyone's but their own political career in mind.

Most of us, sadly, vote now for the least possible damage that will be inflicted.

Any hate we are feeling for the Democrats must be shared with ALL politicians. By the time we hold one group accountable the next set of crooks take over. This as true as anything I have ever offered.

hondo
11-03-2010, 09:31 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If there was only one message that yesterday's election results succeeded in sending to Washington, what do you think is should be?



Steve </div></div>

That the American sheeple were conned and have short memories?

wolfdancer
11-04-2010, 01:08 AM
Dee, ain't that the truth!!!

Qtec
11-04-2010, 02:14 AM
No chance. The GOP have no honour as a party. In 2003 the GOP made a deal with the Dems. The Dems would go along with another Bush tax cut but only on the condition that they were not permanent and would expire in 10 years.

.....and what do the GOP do?


Q................you can't trust them because they only represent the elite.

hondo
11-04-2010, 05:13 AM
Pretty much the way I see it.

pooltchr
11-04-2010, 07:31 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
No chance. The GOP have no honour as a party. In 2003 the GOP made a deal with the Dems. The Dems would go along with another Bush tax cut but only on the condition that they were not permanent and would expire in 10 years.

.....and what do the GOP do?


Q................you can't trust them because they only represent the elite. </div></div>

Why would you single out the GOP, after having been lied to by the Dems for the past few years?

Can you not see the point Deeman was making.
Washington politicians, regardless of which party is in charge, are more concerned with party politics and protecting their political careers than they are about taking care of the business of the country.

The voters saw how they have been lied to and manipulated by the Dems in recent years, and threw them out of office. Hopefully, they will retain the same mentality in future elections, although I have my doubts.

Steve

Deeman3
11-04-2010, 09:12 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
No chance. The GOP have no honour as a party. In 2003 the GOP made a deal with the Dems. The Dems would go along with another Bush tax cut but only on the condition that they were not permanent and would expire in 10 years.

.....and what do the GOP do?


Q................you can't trust them because they only represent the elite. </div></div>


<span style="color: #FF0000">Then, if what you say is true, the true politician would allow all of these tax cuts to expire and not pander to one segment of the population or the other, right? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

If, for the good of the country, we allowed all them to expire, then we would see true "word keeping" by both parties.

If the addition of some tax dollars will save us, the addition of all of them is much bigger and will do remarkable things, right? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif </span>

LWW
11-04-2010, 03:07 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Why would you single out the GOP, after having been lied to by the Dems for the past few years?

Steve </div></div>

Because they were told to single out the GOP.

When dear leader signs off on extending the Bush era tax cuts, the same O-cultists will sing the praise of the Obama tax cuts and actually believe they were for them the whole time.

LWW

hondo
11-04-2010, 04:42 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Why would you single out the GOP, after having been lied to by the Dems for the past few years?

Steve </div></div>

Because they were told to single out the GOP.

When dear leader signs off on extending the Bush era tax cuts, the same O-cultists will sing the praise of the Obama tax cuts and actually believe they were for them the whole time.

LWW </div></div>


How are we supposed to work together if we always face that attitude from LWW?

Qtec
11-04-2010, 10:54 PM
The real message is that if a political party has their own TV propaganda network and are aided by unlimited finances from anonymous donors, anything is possible.

All you have to do is ask yourself one question.

Before the election Obama was being slammed for his connection to the Rev Wright, the leader of a Christian Church. They made great pains to point out that Obama had been going to that Church for 20 yrs or so.

Now 20% believe he is a Muslim?

Why?

Q

hondo
11-05-2010, 05:48 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The real message is that if a political party has their own TV propaganda network and are aided by unlimited finances from anonymous donors, anything is possible.

All you have to do is ask yourself one question.

Before the election Obama was being slammed for his connection to the Rev Wright, the leader of a Christian Church. They made great pains to point out that Obama had been going to that Church for 20 yrs or so.

Now 20% believe he is a Muslim?

Why?

Q

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An excellent post that pretty much reflects the way I see it.

Qtec
11-05-2010, 06:01 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Then, if what you say is true, the true politician would allow all of these tax cuts to expire and not pander to one segment of the population or the other, right? </div></div>

In 2001 the Dems went along with the Bush tax cuts. In 2003 Bush said they weren't enough and more tax cuts were needed. The Dems compromised and passed the tax cuts but only on the condition that they would expire after 8 years.
The GOP now want the tax cuts extendde and Obama has said he will compromise, the bottom 95% can keep these tax cuts but he will not borrow another 700 billion $ to give to millionaires and billionaires.

What is the GOP reply?



<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Rachel Maddow: Pretending that House Republicans are Going to Compromise with Obama is Laughable

Rachel Maddow explained pretty clearly why the Republicans in the newly won US House of Representatives actually have no incentive whatsoever to compromise with Democrats and the Obama administration. As she noted, they're set up to do nothing but block any compromise or progress and despite any of their platitudes, when you nail them down on the specifics of what their plans are, it comes down to stopping Democrats from getting anything constructive done. </div></div>

watch it (http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/rachel-maddow-pretending-house-republicans)

Q

pooltchr
11-05-2010, 06:51 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The real message is that if a political party has their own TV propaganda network and are aided by unlimited finances from anonymous donors, anything is possible.

All you have to do is ask yourself one question.

Before the election Obama was being slammed for his connection to the Rev Wright, the leader of a Christian Church. They made great pains to point out that Obama had been going to that Church for 20 yrs or so.

Now 20% believe he is a Muslim?

Why?

Q

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It's been widely suggested that when Obamaa wanted to be a community organizer in that community in Chicago, that he needed to establish some "street credibility". Joining Rev Wright's church was one way of gaining it.
It was a political move.

As for people suggesting he is a muslim, I can only offer my theory. Perhaps it is because he seems to have gone to great lengths to support the muslim causes on several occasions.

Some people believe the old saying "Actions speak louder than words"

Steve

Qtec
11-05-2010, 07:00 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's been widely suggested that when Obamaa wanted to be a community organizer in that community in Chicago, <span style='font-size: 14pt'>that he needed to establish some "street credibility". Joining Rev Wright's church was one way of gaining it.
It was a political move.</span> </div></div>

LOL

So, 20 odd years before he runs for POTUS Obama thinks,"I will need the voters to think I'm a Christian so I will join this radical Pastors Church?"

Do you know how crazy that sounds?


Q

pooltchr
11-05-2010, 07:19 AM
Read what I posted, Q. I didn't say anything about establishing credibility with voters. I was talking about his street credibility, which he would need to be an effective community organizer.

Please try to keep up if you want to participate in a discussion.

Steve

Qtec
11-05-2010, 07:28 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Read what I posted, Q. I didn't say anything about establishing <u>credibility with voters. </u> </div></div>

You said,

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It was <u>a political</u> move. </div></div>

ie, to influence voters.



Why is it that when someone actually tries to help people its frowned upon? There must be some ulterior motive?



Q

Stretch
11-05-2010, 07:46 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Read what I posted, Q. I didn't say anything about establishing <u>credibility with voters. </u> </div></div>

You said,

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It was <u>a political</u> move. </div></div>

ie, to influence voters.



Why is it that when someone actually tries to help people its frowned upon? There must be some ulterior motive?



Q </div></div>

Because that's the Republican mindset. Social concience and community service is frowned upon (the slippery slope to socialism) unless it has the redeeming quality of makeing money and giving it's organizers, wealth, power, and privelage. Then it's digestible. St.

Gayle in MD
11-05-2010, 11:10 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stretch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Read what I posted, Q. I didn't say anything about establishing <u>credibility with voters. </u> </div></div>

You said,

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It was <u>a political</u> move. </div></div>

ie, to influence voters.



Why is it that when someone actually tries to help people its frowned upon? There must be some ulterior motive?



Q </div></div>

Because that's the Republican mindset. Social concience and community service is frowned upon (the slippery slope to socialism) unless it has the redeeming quality of makeing money and giving it's organizers, wealth, power, and privelage. Then it's digestible. St. </div></div>

<span style="color: #FF0000">AND protects the crooks on Wall Street, the polluting oil and gas industry, the thieving pharmaceutical n inhumane health insurance, and health care industry, and bashes scientific study, and deems women less valuable than a fetus, and bashes Gays as CHOOSING to be gay, and being pedophiles, and the doling out trillions to the war mongering Military Industrial Complex.....

No wonder we're in a huge divide!

G.



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Deeman3
11-05-2010, 12:22 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The real message is that if a political party has their own TV propaganda network and are aided by unlimited finances from anonymous donors, anything is possible.

<span style="color: #FF0000">There is some truth in that, with Fox on one side and MSNBC at the other far side. </span>

All you have to do is ask yourself one question.

Before the election Obama was being slammed for his connection to the Rev Wright, the leader of a Christian Church. They made great pains to point out that Obama had been going to that Church for 20 yrs or so.

<span style="color: #FF0000">I believe he was slammed for his endorsement by proxy of attending a church so filled with anti-white, anti-government speech. Now, I am very familiar with Black churces, especially in the South, but this type retoric is not unusual and not seen the same way in the black community as in other ones. Therefore, I was not as critical as many on his church affiliations. </span>

Now 20% believe he is a Muslim?

Why?

<span style="color: #FF0000"> Approximatley 20% of the American voter thinks Bush hates gays. Now, after having made the largest aide support to African Aids Relief, many still do believe that. 20% beleive that 9/11 was an inside job. An even bigger percentage believes we are visited, on a regular basis by aliens and no the ones crossing the Mexican border. To hang your hat on the beliefs and misconceptions of the American public is just to try to whip up support for your side. Now, you are not really able to know which portion of the American publis thinks he is Muslim! Perhaps that is only a belief among a wide range of idiots left and right.

I don't question that he is a Christian but, as you should know,it really should not matter but in politics it does. </span>



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