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hondo
11-04-2010, 05:29 AM
Quote from John Boehner:

Talking(supposedly) to the American people:

" I will never let you down."

LOL! This ranks right up there with

"The check is in the mail."
"I did not have sex with that woman."
"Read my lips. No new taxes."
Honey, I swear I won't c*m in your mouth."

LWW
11-04-2010, 05:42 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">John Boner</div></div>

So much for you striving towards a more civil standard I guess?

LWW

Deeman3
11-04-2010, 06:53 AM
How are we supposed to work together if we always face that attitude from Hondo?

If this is what Dems think the voters were saying, you can see the challenges those of us trying be more moderate will face!

Gayle in MD
11-04-2010, 07:03 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Quote from John Boehner:

Talking(supposedly) to the American people:

" I will never let you down."

LOL! This ranks right up there with

"The check is in the mail."
"I did not have sex with that woman."
"Read my lips. No new taxes."
Honey, I swear I won't c*m in your mouth." </div></div>

He will finally have to leave the Golf course, and the bar, at the Capital Hill Grill, long enough to do some work!

Have you noticed, for the first time I can ever remember, he is approaching Fall, without the famous tan? LMAO! the golf courses are probably losng money all over the world, without Boehner around.

Boehner will finally have to do some work, and let's hope, he realizes the difference between the Constitution, and the Bill Of Rights, before they swear him in. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

He looked pretty hung over on Wednesday, LMAO! I guess we'll have to go through another crying spell, when he gets sworn in, maybe the Beckistan regime, will show up to cry along with him.. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

Fasten your seat belt, it's going to be a bumppy ride!

pooltchr
11-04-2010, 08:01 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deeman3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How are we supposed to work together if we always face that attitude from Hondo?

If this is what Dems think the voters were saying, you can see the challenges those of us trying be more moderate will face! </div></div>

The lip service from the left is really getting old. Notice who jumped in right behind Hondo with a personal attack on him.
They claim the right is nothing but hate, yet that is all they seem capable of doing.

Steve

Gayle in MD
11-04-2010, 08:34 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deeman3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How are we supposed to work together if we always face that attitude from Hondo?

If this is what Dems think the voters were saying, you can see the challenges those of us trying be more moderate will face! </div></div>

More moderate??? LMAO. There is no such thing as a moderate Republican. They spent the last nearly two years, voting against their own policies, when their own policies were included in the legislation, and compromises had already been made, many of them, but they still said NO.

You guys like to paint them as saying no to bad policies, but that's really a cop out, and you all know it, you just won't admit it, that's all.

All of that huge ruckus over using reonciliation, when Republicans have used it many times, it's nothing new at all.

All of the whining about the HCB, when Republicans had it for months upon months, but still were whining about reading a mere 2,000 pages, when they have dozens on their staffs, and never read anything themselves anyway...

After all of the Bush tricks, and illegalities, suddenly you guys became strict constructionists, after eight years of defending the chimp, and every lie and every law he broke!

You all moved your line around so much around here for the last decade, it's comical.

Then you suggest everyone else is the partisan, but not you, LOL.

You've all slandered Obama for over two years, and now you're going to call for a kinder, nicer CCB, LMAO!

Not a chance, friend. I've been watching the crooked Republican Party far longer than you have, and I know exactly what they're going to do, or not do, I should say....

Tell me, who's the big opportunist, Deeman, Palin or Hillary?

Oh, and how's that "Surge" thingie working for ya, huh? All of that, "Spreading democracy around the world, BS?

You've been bashing Obama for most of his time, and you didn't even vote!

What happened to all that rhetoric about the WMD's, that Bush is now admitting were never there in the first place...
many many multi billion dollars ago, and many hundreds of dead and wounded peopole ago?


He killed hundreds of thousands of people, all for something that never existed during his term, and now he is saying the worst moment in his presidency, was when some Rock star called him a racist???! And he says it after being caught wiping his hand on Clinton's shirt, after shaking hands with a black, Hatian survivor!!!!

What a self-involved, ELITIST POS BUSH is!

G.

Deeman3
11-04-2010, 08:50 AM
Same old, same old...

You will get the cooperation you deserve. All you have is blame Bush. The American people spoke and even clarified thier reasons in the exit polls and still you lean on the lame excuse that it is still Bush's fault.

As long as you can't put that behind you, you'll never have a critical enough eye to go forward.

I've slandered Obama for two years? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif I have been more than fair with him and never called him names as you have Bush, Reagan or any other person you think was not far enough right.

Bush, self involved? Obama decidced to spend the last 4 months on vacation or campaigning in evert precinct he was not avoided in by the Democratic candidate and when folks noticed that he spend nada time on job generating activites, he got a spanking as he calls it.

He, and you, still don't get it. They were not voting on WMD's or even on handshakes by former Presidents on Tuesday. They were voting on a bunch of policies that did not do what Obama claimed they would, a priviledged House Speaker who gloated over not having to cooperate with the Republicans and after swearing transparency, told everyone they would know "what is in the bill, once it passes!" It passed, the voters rejected it, Obama and his agenda.

But to you, it was that evil and crafty Bush still controlling the situation.

That is seriously funny....

Gayle in MD
11-04-2010, 09:29 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deeman3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Same old, same old...

<span style="color: #FF0000"> Yep, because the same ol' facts still remain, Bush hid the economic facts, and nearly threw the country into a global Depression, with his ownership- Society, p-olicies, and left it for Obama, with two F-ed up wars, massive debts, hidden TAR SECRET MEETINGS, walked away with only one devastation, he says, that some rapper called him a racist! LMAO when Obama took over, we were already burried in debt. fact's don't change according to the RW propaganda...sorry about that. </span> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

You will get the cooperation you deserve. All you have is blame Bush.

<span style="color: #FF0000"> Bush was running the show, remember???? He made the mess, with all of those Republican blank checks to help him pull it off. [/coHe lost most of the jobs, burried most of the people in debt, refusing to address any of our domestic problems, here in our country, whhich were ruining the oives of Americans, throughout his tenure, for the benefit of his corporate pigs.]

The American people spoke and even clarified thier reasons in the exit polls and still you lean on the lame excuse that it is still Bush's fault.

[color:#CC0000] And I am one of those American people, I don't have to follow what a bunch of impatient baby boomers, who can't follow the dots, have been hypotized into believing. I have a mind of my own, and I know how we got here in the first place, and knew how long it would take to get free of Bush's multi disastrous No Win consequences, that's why he is rated second to the bottom, on economic ability....and even worse on foreign policy, deny that, now, OK? </span>

As long as you can't put that behind you, you'll never have a critical enough eye to go forward.


<span style="color: #FF0000">Ha ha ha, that's funny, Dee. A critical enough eye, huh? And in the midst of giving Bush a total bye, on everything he left in his wake, and expecting a miracle, from the guy who had to take over after Bush put the country into a ditch! Now that is real neighborly of ya. </span>

I've slandered Obama for two years? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif I have been more than fair with him and never called him names as you have Bush, Reagan or any other person you think was not far enough right.

<span style="color: #FF0000"> Actually, you've done your share of Obama, Pelosi, Frfanks, and overall Democratic bashing, as I recall, over and over again.

I was more talking about your insinuations, and refusal to factor in the actual challenges Bush left for whomever may have followed...but no, you have not be fair, to Obama, at all....the slander part, I meant to aim at your fellow Repubs, you know, the birthers, death panels, the terrorist accusations, the Tea Party, nimbnuts??? "No socialism, don't touch my SS and Medicare???" "We didn't load the guns, this time?" </span>

Bush, self involved? Obama decidced to spend the last 4 months on vacation or campaigning in evert precinct he was not avoided in by the Democratic candidate and when folks noticed that he spend nada time on job generating activites, he got a spanking as he calls it.


<span style="color: #FF0000">Oh yeah, and every other president doesn'[t do the same thing??? At least it wasnt after he got a call from the National Hurricane Center, telling him in no uncertain terms, that New orleans would be under water, THE BIG ONE was coming, or just after reading, "bin Laden, determined to attack inside the United States," And didn't even suspend his damned vacation, either time!

When Bush spent over two years on vacation, you guys were writing that the President is never on vacation, really. Now that's all changed, right? gotcha.... </span>

He, and you, still don't get it.

<span style="color: #FF0000"> BWA HA HA HA....good one coming from you...how's that surge thingie working out for ya???? How's all of that nation Buiolding, Bush said he wouldn't do before he staarted spreading democracy around the world, sshoving it down other peoploe's throats, who wanted him to get the hell out? </span>


They were not voting on WMD's or even on handshakes by former Presidents on Tuesday.

<span style="color: #FF0000"> Oh my, you are so adept at minimizing, for the party line. Good one. Carry on, rightie. </span> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif


They were voting on a bunch of policies that did not do what Obama claimed they would,

<span style="color: #FF0000"> Nice twist on a president who inherited the worst legacy since Lincoln, and then had to deal with ccomplete obstructionism for YOUR REPUBLICAN CROOKS. Most of the HCB, that will help our people, hasn't even kicked in yet, but you've been bashing it all along...

He didn't neglect every issue that was killing the middle class in this country, like Bush did. No president ever walked out on so many horrendous disasters as George Bush, yet you didn't give this guy even three months before you started in on him, none of you righties did, you started in on him before he was even sworn in. </span>


a priviledged House Speaker who gloated over not having to cooperate with the Republicans and after swearing transparency, told everyone they would know "what is in the bill, once it passes!"

<span style="color: #FF0000"> You're not trying to suggest that Republicans haven't done the same thing, over and over, are you??? If you are, again, you're quite wrong, and blinded by your partisanship.

That's how you righties always behave. If it's your guy,(gal) you don't even acknowledge it, it's just a big deal over nothing, right? Even when it's treason, torture, and gross law breaking activities. Yeah, I know where each of you stood on the gross illegal activities of the Republicans and Bush....I remember all of it.

As for Nancy, she's had the greatest successes of any Speaker of the House, in decades, that's why you onstantly attack her.

She didn't do a damn thing that your own party hasn't done, over and over, and I can prove it, and have proved, here on this forum, over and over.

I also don't know why you call her an elitist, I don't recall her bragging about buying seventeen thousand dollar dresses, for her daughters, or paying three hundred dollars a Square foot, for her doggie to poop on. </span> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

It passed, the voters rejected it, Obama and his agenda.

<span style="color: #FF0000"> Most of those bubbas don't even know what's in it yet! The RW told them they'd be facing death panels, remember?

Not all people have rejected it, either. The informed, haven't, just the RW sheep....who were fed lies by the corporate fascist pigs who own the Republican Party....</span>

But to you, it was that evil and crafty Bush still controlling the situation.

<span style="color: #CC0000"> Oh no, it was his evil, crafty turd blossom, and the usual Oil and Coal pigs, who pulled this off, as I said, with the help of the RW Activist Suprme Court...who thinks a corporation is a person.

When are you righties going to get it straight, the definition of a person???? Ever???

Oh, and who's the biggest opportunist, Deeman???? Hillary, or your little Grizzly Moma? </span>

That is seriously funny.... </div></div>

<span style="color: #CC0000"> Yes it is seriously funny, that you never address any specific statements...or answer any questions, are you practicing the Republican Campaign philosophies, planning to run??? That's the new Rovarian tactic, yes? Just run and while your running run from the press, too?

This isn't the first time millions of Americans showed their gross stupidity, remember...


"How can forty million people, be so dumb"

Easy, they're stupid...

Ignorant, mentally lazy and uninformed, that's how....memorized and hypnotized, by billions of dollars of propaganda, paid for by the American Corporate Fascist pigs, aka, the Republican Party, aka The Grand Oil Party.

G. </span>

pooltchr
11-04-2010, 11:22 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

All of the whining about the HCB, when Republicans had it for months upon months, but still were whining about reading a mere 2,000 pages, when they have dozens on their staffs, and never read anything themselves anyway...

G.
</div></div>

That single comment is totally wrong, and you know it. You wrote many times leading up to the vote that there were multiple bills being floated, and nobody knew which one would make it through.
Then, when they finally pushed through a bill, your own speaker of the house told everyone they would have to pass it before they could know what it said!

As for your guy, Barry, he admitted on Wednesday that they were in such a rush to pass the bill they were willing to bypass proceedures!

Many of us asked at the time if the bill was so great, why did it have to be rushed through congress through slick back-room maneuvers?

The people sent a message Tuesday that they are tired of all the political game playing.

You don't get it. Obama doesn't get it.
But the American public sees exactly what is happening. That is why so many of them got booted out.

Steve

Deeman3
11-04-2010, 12:11 PM
Why rebutt things I have addressed a hundred times with you? Your hate of all that do not agree with you is so evident that relating will just get mre fantasy name calling toward anyone to the right of Ho Chi Min.

You are delusional if you think anyone had time to read that monstrosity of a bill the night it was voted on and as you said at the time, well, Steve already answered that.

If you would just shorthand your hate of Bush and realize that it is understood, we might address other issues. Changing the subject to Bush did not work for your fearless leader, why do you thin it would work for you, again and again and again? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

sack316
11-04-2010, 12:14 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
You don't get it. Obama doesn't get it.
</div></div>

I'm hoping that maybe Obama <u>does</u> get it, at the very least he made a good effort at pretending he did via his recent comments I listed in this thread (http://billiardsdigest.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=324306#Post324306).

Here's hoping other people will get it too.

Sack

pooltchr
11-04-2010, 12:36 PM
I shared my thoughts on Obama's speech in that thread.

I think his speech was very calculated, but does not address the one major concern....that his policies are not in line with the American public.

Steve

bobroberts
11-04-2010, 01:00 PM
I<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Quote from John Boehner:

Talking(supposedly) to the American people:

" I will never let you down."

LOL! This ranks right up there with

"The check is in the mail."
"I did not have sex with that woman."
"Read my lips. No new taxes."
Honey, I swear I won't c*m in your mouth." </div></div>

He will finally have to leave the Golf course, and the bar, at the Capital Hill Grill, long enough to do some work!

Have you noticed, for the first time I can ever remember, he is approaching Fall, without the famous tan? LMAO! the golf courses are probably losng money all over the world, without Boehner around.

Boehner will finally have to do some work, and let's hope, he realizes the difference between the Constitution, and the Bill Of Rights, before they swear him in. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

He looked pretty hung over on Wednesday, LMAO! I guess we'll have to go through another crying spell, when he gets sworn in, maybe the Beckistan regime, will show up to cry along with him.. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

Fasten your seat belt, it's going to be a bumppy ride! </div></div>

I thought you were talking about Obama until i reached the part with the tan.

Gayle in MD
11-04-2010, 01:47 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deeman3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why rebutt things I have addressed a hundred times with you? Your hate

<span style="color: #FF0000"> My hate???? What I hate, is lies and corruption, greed and murder, it's stupid to hate people, we should only hate the wrong things they say and do, to others, just as I hate Bush's ACTIONS, lies incompetence, killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people, all for corrupt intentions, and no bid contracts for the corrupt oil industry.

I have enough love for myself, that I don't have to hate people.
</span>


of all that do not agree with you



<span style="color: #FF0000"> LMAO, I couldn't give a flying #$@% if you agree with me or not. I sure as hell will not let accusations of being a blind partisan, go by, when they come from an even m blinder partisan, more partisan, more angry, more aggressively bashing people for things they can't help, than I have ever done.</span>


is so evident that relating will just get mre fantasy name calling toward anyone to the right of Ho Chi Min.

<span style="color: #CC0000">I realize you enjoy sarcasism, that's your out, isn't it? </span>

You are delusional if you think anyone had time to read that monstrosity of a bill the night it was voted on and as you said at the time, well, Steve already answered that.

<span style="color: #FF0000">I said that in the beginning, when you were all bashing everything about health Care reform, before any one bill had even gotten through the committees.

THAT WAS MONTHS BEFORE a final bill was offered up for a vote, and with over one hundred republican amendments, added., and months upon months of committee meetins, all televised, they all still VOTED NO! It was cloear obstuctionism.

the

Stop rewriting history, to suit your own delusions.

Nothing Steve EVER says is accurate, absolutely NOTHING!

The Bill, for your information, had over a hundred REPUBLICAN AMENDMENTS indluded in it. The bones of the bill had not changed one bit. They had been blocking it all along. They refused to even consider working on it with Demoicratics.

Cantor, Pence, Boehner and Mcconnell, have all already stated their only goal is to defeat the president. They have promised already, the only way forward is someone else in the white house. they are out there right not, stating clearly they refuse to compro0mise.

I hope tey aoll drop dead! If the stupid idiots from the fly over states, are too damn dumb to see through what Republicans are doing, we ALL pay for it, not just you rightwingers, all of us, just the way we are all paying right now for Bush's multi disastrous policies, STILL!

After months and months, and the president explaining over and over, and bringing the Republicans to the table over and over, it became evident, it didn't matter what was in that bill, they were going to obstruct every single thing this president did. And they did. They had only one goal, for Obama to fail, even if the whole country failed along with him.

They are repuslive excuses for human beings. They are going to continue to block the recovery on every level.

Wake up and smell the cofee...Republicans want every multi-millionaire to continue to get a million dollar tax cut, each, at the cost of another 700 billions dollars, and we already know, it doesn't WORK! It did not create jobs, we lost jobs, throughout Bush's tax cuts, and lost revenue, in the trillions!

You are both twisting what I said, and what happened on the hill, as well. I watched it all, every single day, live. Did YOU?</span>

If you would just shorthand your hate of Bush and realize that it is understood, we might address other issues. Changing the subject to Bush did not work for your fearless leader, why do you thin it would work for you, again and again and again? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif </div></div>

<span style="color: #CC0000"> Bush was the man in charge while the threats and debts, and loss of american spirit, destroying the good economy he inherited, all went down.

We are all still paying for Bush, and his disastrous legacy. when we are finally out of it, when the deep Bush recession is over, and we recover fro0m his blatant Ownership society, and his Nation Buiding fiascoes, it sure as hell won't be until the Republicans are ready for it to go forward, then they can give their corrupt huge banks, and greedy corporations the sign, OK you can start hiring now, and do as you like AGAIN, with no regulations, and all will flow again.



You just refuse to admit it, and prefer blaming the guy who inherited all of it.

Those are the facts, and facts, are not your forte'.

BTW Who is the opportunist? Do you Remember when you righties were all on here attacking me for saying that THe SSurge Faiked? do you recall that I told all of you brilliant people, back then, that Iraq was in the midst of a civil war, and The Surge, would fail?

Can't stand to even think about that one, can you?

I just wish like hell you had all been where I was, to see what "The Surge" did to our kids!!!

G. </span> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

pooltchr
11-04-2010, 02:21 PM
I don't recall there ever being a final vote, so how do you know who voted for or against the final bill.

Nancy DEEMED IT TO BE PASSED!

Steve

LWW
11-04-2010, 03:26 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deeman3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How are we supposed to work together if we always face that attitude from Hondo?

If this is what Dems think the voters were saying, you can see the challenges those of us trying be more moderate will face! </div></div>

The lip service from the left is really getting old. Notice who jumped in right behind Hondo with a personal attack on him.
They claim the right is nothing but hate, yet that is all they seem capable of doing.

Steve </div></div>

In their defense ... dear leader has given them instructions to get in the face of the opposition and punish the enemies.

LWW

hondo
11-04-2010, 04:34 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deeman3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How are we supposed to work together if we always face that attitude from Hondo?

If this is what Dems think the voters were saying, you can see the challenges those of us trying be more moderate will face! </div></div>

Yeah, right. If only the Republicans could get past Hondo's
attitude, we'd enter a wonderful world of cooperation.
What a crock!
I call em as I see em, buddy. Sorry that offends your sensibilities.

hondo
11-04-2010, 04:39 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deeman3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How are we supposed to work together if we always face that attitude from Hondo?

If this is what Dems think the voters were saying, you can see the challenges those of us trying be more moderate will face! </div></div>

The lip service from the left is really getting old. Notice who jumped in right behind Hondo with a personal attack on him.
They claim the right is nothing but hate, yet that is all they seem capable of doing.

Steve </div></div>

In their defense ... dear leader has given them instructions to get in the face of the opposition and punish the enemies.

LWW </div></div>


How are we supposed to work together if we always face that attitude from LWW?

Deeman3
11-04-2010, 07:41 PM
I guess you are right. We should all just express our feelings of how bad the other side is. That way we don't have to actually discuss any areas of agreement we might have so things can get better.

you didn't offend my sensibilities, I had just mistaken our level of ability to discuss these things in a positive way.

I won't again.

hondo
11-04-2010, 08:07 PM
No problem.

Qtec
11-04-2010, 09:20 PM
LOL


Q.........was that a joke?

LWW
11-05-2010, 03:30 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

All of the whining about the HCB, when Republicans had it for months upon months, but still were whining about reading a mere 2,000 pages, when they have dozens on their staffs, and never read anything themselves anyway...

G.
</div></div>

That single comment is totally wrong, and you know it. You wrote many times leading up to the vote that there were multiple bills being floated, and nobody knew which one would make it through.
Then, when they finally pushed through a bill, your own speaker of the house told everyone they would have to pass it before they could know what it said!

As for your guy, Barry, he admitted on Wednesday that they were in such a rush to pass the bill they were willing to bypass proceedures!

Many of us asked at the time if the bill was so great, why did it have to be rushed through congress through slick back-room maneuvers?

The people sent a message Tuesday that they are tired of all the political game playing.

You don't get it. Obama doesn't get it.
But the American public sees exactly what is happening. That is why so many of them got booted out.

Steve </div></div>

And again Steve I must scold you for holding the bar far too high.

What you stubbornly refuse to realize is that leftists refuse to see "TRUTH" as a non malleable construct.

Your ideology of a rigid and inflexible truth which can be verified by memories, documents, and other known facts is completely incompatible with far left political thought and the goals of an agitprop.

Then, the party told her "TRUTH" was that there were conflicting bills. Today the "TRUTH" is that the bill sat on a shelf bound and printed for all to see ... and the old "TRUTH" is immediately, although not irrevocably, obsolete.

Trust me on this ... if tomorrow the "TRUTH" is spoon delivered that Obama wrote the HCB in his own blood in the 3rd grade and Bush stole it, that will be the "TRUTH" which will be reported by the O-cult.

LWW

hondo
11-05-2010, 05:37 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LOL


Q.........was that a joke? </div></div>

I didn't take it as such. And in subsequent posts he appears exasperated with my lack of co-operation.
The way he worded it was beyond silly and I responded in kind.
It appears that I am no longer on his friendly list.
That's too bad.

Gayle in MD
11-05-2010, 08:24 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LOL


Q.........was that a joke? </div></div>

I didn't take it as such. And in subsequent posts he appears exasperated with my lack of co-operation.
The way he worded it was beyond silly and I responded in kind.
It appears that I am no longer on his friendly list.
That's too bad. </div></div>

[color:#CC0000] [b] [size:11pt]Their views about this election, are ridiculous.

Republicans didn't even win the Senate, and this is the first time, ythat there is a flip of the house, that the in-coming party didn't take both the House and the Senate.

There was a diifference of Repub VS Dem num
ber of votes of four million votes, not exacrtly the whole country , as they would like to maintain.

If the young had shown up, which they seldom do, during the mid terms, Republians would have lost.

The President lost support among his own base, because he compromised too much, with the obstructive right. I think, as a so called spoon feed Liberal, I just might have a better take on those Progressives, who didn't show up, based on my own frustrations.

We wanted obama to tell the Repubs to go take a flyiing $%#%, and go forward without screwing up the changes we need to make, without screwing up the legisloation by trying to be moderate, and bending for the blue dogs, or the repubs.

IOW, if he had demanded the public option, instead of the mandate, approval rates on HCB would have been higher. American clearly stated that she want health care reform, in 2008.

If he had insisted on going back to the Volker standards, come down much harder on the banks, used his executive decision capacity for Gay Rights, serving in the military, gotten out of Afghanistan, instead of allowing the Generals to push him into stayng longer over there, things would have gone quite differently, IMO.

While Nancy Pelosi has been one of the most succesful Speakers of our time, in leading people to vote for change, those blue dog Democratics, crippled us in coming on stronger, and giving the progressives what we all wanted, the public option, far less bending to the RW requests, and NOT including those crippling Republican Amendments, that weakened the Bill, and hence, also meant that it did not win more approval, from his base.

Also, while Pelosi took impeachment off the table, in 07, IMO, that was her worst mistake. Americans like to see the law breakers get what they deserve. Bush and his administration should have been held to account for their treasonist activities, lies, corruption, and law breaking.

Becauuse the economy was already going down hill, by the time Dems got control, and because two wars, and the massive Republican debts, were increasingly causing great concern, she did what she thought was best for the country, and took impeachment off the table.


Big mistake, IMO...should have held those crooks to account for every single lie, and every single act of treason.

As far as this election is concerned, it is clear, Obama has decided to continue to seek bi-partisanship. A Big mistake. That is NOT what his base wants him to do at all.

The first thing he should do is take away the tax cuts for those making over $250,000 a year.

Secondly, get the F. out of the Middle East! No boots on the ground, just use our massive intelligence, special forces, and drones.

No tax cuts for the top one percent, and no subsidies for Corps, that outsource our jobs.

It is a fact that tax cuts for the top one percent do nothing to stimulate job growth, or the economy, and we've already watched that policy fail throughout Bush's tenure, and also Reagan's and Bush one...we've seen that Republican policy fail more than once.

Why continue with the very same failed policies that helped to destroy the economy, and grow the deficits, and increase the need for borrowing, in the first place.

The Republicans, and the media rightwing nutjobs, will continue to twist the meaning of these election results, but it's the same thing it always is, when there is an electorial shift, "It's the economy stupid."

Republicans crippled the recovery as much as they could, for their politicalo purposes, and sought only to protect the culprits who helped to destroy it, as they trashed the environment we have to live in, outsourced our jobs, and raised the cost of living on oil, food, health care, Pharmaceuticals, health insurance, credit cards, you name it, Republican policies led to it.

The same fascist pigs who gave them the money to win this election, did so for a reason, so that they can continue to go unregulated, gouge the whole couuntry, and collect subsidies as they destroy it, IOW, it will be even worse, than we already saw under Bush.

So now let's just see them continue with the tax cuts for the top one percent, and shrink the deficit...LMAO! A
Seven hundeed billion dollar loss of revenue.


It's NOT going to happen, period. So where will they get more money, or reduce the deficit?

I can tell you right now, they will take it from all of the rest of us, while ending any aid for maintaining our cops, firemen, teachers, money for education, and renewable fuels, pushing us further back into the Republooican neanderthal world, whiole outher countries continue to leave us in the dust, just as has happened because of all of the Republoican policies of the past, and the unemployed, will get dropped, as they cut money for SS, and Medicare.

Then we will see how most Americans feel about Repiglicans, come 2012. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

G.

Deeman3
11-05-2010, 09:32 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LOL


Q.........was that a joke? </div></div>

<span style="color: #FF0000">That we could possibly discuss issues without all the hateful stuff thrown in? Of course it was.... </span>

Gayle in MD
11-05-2010, 09:49 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deeman3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I guess you are right. We should all just express our feelings of how bad the other side is. That way we don't have to actually discuss any areas of agreement we might have so things can get better.

you didn't offend my sensibilities, I had just mistaken our level of ability to discuss these things in a positive way.

I won't again. </div></div>

So does tht mean we are going to see a change in your pots, dee?

No more bashing Pelosi and Barney. No more demonizing Liberals? No more calling others delusional, if they don't agree with your views?

We all contribute to the pointless antagonistic approach, to political discussions.

I figure the best I can od to reduce my contributions, is to stop reading the pots that are continuously personally insullting.

My problem with the right on here, is they say I am the one who is full of hate, because I write my disapproval of political, public people, with the name calling that fit their behavior, such as calling Bush a treasonist, which is a fact...

Their attacks are continuously personal attacks.

IMO, there is a big difference between attackining public personalities, and attacking fellow forum members. I don't name all people in the public, anymore than you do, but when I do it, you're saying I am a hateful person, and delusional.

The right thinks only they have the right to call politicians names, but if a lelftie does it, they're full of hate.

Hence, my long list of those on total ignore. It's seems that's the only way I can avoid gettisng fed up, and throwing their slanderous statements, about me, right back in their faces.

I think, also, when a fellow member asks another member to engage in a mutual total ignore, in the interest of a better atmosphere around here, the stalker should honor that request. It would get very boring for the true cyberstalkers, and pot stirrers around here, if no one read or responded to their posts, onece they displayed that constant, nasty, insulting cyberstalking behavior, of personal insults and slander.

Just my 2C

G.

Deeman3
11-05-2010, 12:45 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deeman3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I guess you are right. We should all just express our feelings of how bad the other side is. That way we don't have to actually discuss any areas of agreement we might have so things can get better.

you didn't offend my sensibilities, I had just mistaken our level of ability to discuss these things in a positive way.

I won't again. </div></div>

So does tht mean we are going to see a change in your pots, dee?

<span style="color: #FF0000"> Of course not. I don't change my views just because I'd like on occasion some discussion, rather than name calling. </span>

No more bashing Pelosi and Barney. No more demonizing Liberals? No more calling others delusional, if they don't agree with your views?

<span style="color: #FF0000"> Again, what are you talking about? Is my "bashing" of Nancy and Barney any different fomr your Limpballs and murdering Bush? Should I no longer point out delusional positions? </span>

We all contribute to the pointless antagonistic approach, to political discussions.

<span style="color: #FF0000"> Yes, we do. </span>

I figure the best I can od to reduce my contributions, is to stop reading the pots that are continuously personally insullting.

<span style="color: #FF0000"> I'd like to try as well. I am hoping to just not respond as much to the ones I see as bashing and dragging up old wounds but I can't say I'll be perfect. </span>

My problem with the right on here, is they say I am the one who is full of hate, because I write my disapproval of political, public people, with the name calling that fit their behavior, such as calling Bush a treasonist, which is a fact...

<span style="color: #FF0000"> and my problem is exactly the same with the left. You don't se your words as as hateful as everyone elses and they are. Just because you accuse Bush of treason does not mean he is, just as my accusing Barney of being perverted does not lean he is, right?</span>

Their attacks are continuously personal attacks.

<span style="color: #FF0000">as are yours. You just switch the lables and names and you would call them exactly that if comoing from the right. </span>

IMO, there is a big difference between attackining public personalities, and attacking fellow forum members. I don't name all people in the public, anymore than you do, but when I do it, you're saying I am a hateful person, and delusional.

<span style="color: #FF0000">There I agree. If I call you a communist and you call nme a homophobe or racist, those are personal attacks. I do agree wishing il lealth on someone is not excusable nor are personal threats. I don't think I have ever done that. </span>

The right thinks only they have the right to call politicians names, but if a lelftie does it, they're full of hate.

<span style="color: #FF0000"> The left thinks only they have the right to call politicians names, but if a rightie does it, they're full of hate. See, we se it exactly the same. There are plenty of examples on both sides.
</span>

Hence, my long list of those on total ignore. It's seems that's the only way I can avoid gettisng fed up, and throwing their slanderous statements, about me, right back in their faces.

<span style="color: #FF0000"> If you ask that I not respond to your posts, I would honor that, promise. </span>

I think, also, when a fellow member asks another member to engage in a mutual total ignore, in the interest of a better atmosphere around here, the stalker should honor that request. It would get very boring for the true cyberstalkers, and pot stirrers around here, if no one read or responded to their posts, onece they displayed that constant, nasty, insulting cyberstalking behavior, of personal insults and slander.

<span style="color: #FF0000"> I don't think it is healthy nor productive to stalk or cyberstalk. I have no interest in hurting nor even knowing anything personal about anyone on here, beyond what there volunteer. I think I have always honored requests to be "left alone" and have also never shared any information I knew or items wished to be kept private. </span>

Just my 2C
<span style="color: #FF0000"> Mine too</span>

G.

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Gayle in MD
11-05-2010, 01:31 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deeman3</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deeman3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I guess you are right. We should all just express our feelings of how bad the other side is. That way we don't have to actually discuss any areas of agreement we might have so things can get better.

you didn't offend my sensibilities, I had just mistaken our level of ability to discuss these things in a positive way.

I won't again. </div></div>

So does tht mean we are going to see a change in your posts, Dee?

<span style="color: #FF0000"> Of course not. I don't change my views just because I'd like on occasion some discussion, rather than name calling. </span>


I've never called you names, that I know of, jut said that calling a gay man a pervert is a h0omophobic statement, and that sme of your comments smack of racism. There is a differrence.No more bashing Pelosi and Barney. No more demonizing Liberals? No more calling others delusional, if they don't agree with your views?

<span style="color: #FF0000"> Again, what are you talking about? Is my "bashing" of Nancy and Barney any different fomr your Limpballs and murdering Bush? Should I no longer point out delusional positions? </span>
I don't think we're talking abut the same thing, here, because I'm talolking abut getting personal insults from peoople, for my statements abut political public people, and your accusinjg me, of being full of hate...does that mean that you are full of hate, when you bash Barney and Pelosi?


We all contribute to the pointless antagonistic approach, to political discussions.

<span style="color: #FF0000"> Yes, we do. </span>

I figure the best I can do to reduce my contributions, is to stop reading the postrs that are continuously personally insullting, which means directed to me, personally, like your calloing me delusional, because I have a different POV.

<span style="color: #FF0000"> I'd like to try as well. I am hoping to just not respond as much to the ones I see as bashing and dragging up old wounds but I can't say I'll be perfect. </span>

My problem with the right on here, is they say I am the one who is full of hate, because I write my disapproval of political, public people, with the name calling that fits their behavior, such as calling Bush a treasonist, which is a fact...

<span style="color: #FF0000"> and my problem is exactly the same with the left. You don't se your words as as hateful as everyone elses and they are.
<span style="color: #000000"> <span style='font-size: 14pt'>And yours aren't?</span> </span>

Just because you accuse Bush of treason does not mean he is, just as my accusing Barney of being perverted does not lean he is, right?</span>


<span style="color: #000000"> <span style='font-size: 11pt'>Calling Barney Frank a pervert, is a homophobic statement. OTOH, Bush committed treason, we know that for a fact. He lied to the congress, Americans, and the world, in order to send our country to war. He was involved in outing a covert CIA Agent. He broke the Geneva conventions. He api9ed illegally on Americans. All of this, a,mong other illegal acts, hence calling him a treasonist, is accurate. Calling Barney a pervert, just because he is different from you, is not accurate. It's slander. </span> </span>
Their attacks are continuously personal attacks.

<span style="color: #FF0000">as are yours. You just switch the lables and names and you would call them exactly that if comoing from the right. </span>
<span style="color: #000000"> <span style='font-size: 11pt'> Now you're confusing my bashing of public figures, with the personal insults that certain members direct at me. Two entirely different things. </span> </span>
<span style='font-size: 11pt'><span style="color: #000000">IMO, there is a big difference between attacking public personalities, and attacking fellow forum members. I don't used names against people in the public arena, anymore than you do, but when I do it, you're saying I am a hateful person, and delusional.</span></span> <span style="color: #FF0000">There I agree. If I call you a communist and you call nme a homophobe or racist, those are personal attacks. I do agree wishing il lealth on someone is not excusable nor are personal threats. I don't think I have ever done that. </span>

The right thinks only they have the right to call politicians names, but if a lelftie does it, they're full of hate.

<span style="color: #FF0000"> The left thinks only they have the right to call politicians names, but if a rightie does it, they're full of hate. See, we se it exactly the same. There are plenty of examples on both sides.
</span>

Hence, my long list of those on total ignore. It's seems that's the only way I can avoid getting fed up, and throwing their slanderous statements, about me, right back in their faces.

<span style="color: #FF0000"> If you ask that I not respond to your posts, I would honor that, promise. </span>


<span style='font-size: 11pt'> I would never ask you to do that, because you don't cyberstalok me with personal insults. Those are the only people I refuse to correspond with.... </span>
I think, also, when a fellow member asks another member to engage in a mutual total ignore, in the interest of a better atmosphere around here, the stalker should honor that request. It would get very boring for the true cyberstalkers, and pot stirrers around here, if no one read or responded to their posts, once they displayed that constant, nasty, insulting cyberstalking behavior, of personal insults and slander.

<span style="color: #FF0000"> I don't think it is healthy nor productive to stalk or cyberstalk. I have no interest in hurting nor even knowing anything personal about anyone on here, beyond what there volunteer. I think I have always honored requests to be "left alone" and have also never shared any information I knew or items wished to be kept private. </span>

<span style='font-size: 11pt'> Nor have I... </span>

Just my 2C
<span style="color: #FF0000"> Mine too</span>

G.

</div></div> </div></div>

Also, Calling Bush a treasonist, is accurate, calling Barney Frank a pervert, is a homophobic statement. Saying that is different from calling you a homophobe, although constantly calloing Gays, preverts, is a sign of homophobia....

pooltchr
11-05-2010, 01:45 PM
DeeMan,
You don't seem to get it. When Gayle calls someone like Limbaugh, Bush, Palin, ODonnell, etc names, she is just expressing her freedom of speech.

When you say something about Pelosi, Frank, etc, that is just hateful.

The only difference between whether it's good or bad, is who you are saying it about!

Steve

Deeman3
11-05-2010, 02:17 PM
Steve,

I try, but just can't get that double standard message across. To her, it is as if there is only one critical view that counts, hers! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

I wonder when they will get the trial started or has Bush already been convicted and we didn't see it?

I wonder how many would not describe what Barney and his pals do as perverted if they had to watch, well, outside a Brokeback Mountain screaning! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

Gayle in MD
11-05-2010, 05:26 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deeman3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Steve,

I try, but just can't get that double standard message across. To her, it is as if there is only one critical view that counts, hers! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

I wonder when they will get the trial started or has Bush already been convicted and we didn't see it?

I wonder how many would not describe what Barney and his pals do as perverted if they had to watch, well, outside a Brokeback Mountain screaning! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif </div></div>


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I wonder when they will get the trial started or has Bush already been convicted and we didn't see it?

</div></div>
<span style="color: #FF0000">
Funny you'd put it that way, that's exactly what happened, he's been convicted in the court of common sense, in the public arena, by the whole world, except for the "conservatives." </span>

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

Deeman3
11-05-2010, 08:07 PM
Funny but yes, like Mrs. Pelosi has been convicted of destroying the health care system in the court of public opinion, except by "liberals!"

LWW
11-06-2010, 02:30 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

<span style="color: #FF0000">This isn't the first time millions of Americans showed their gross stupidity, remember...


"How can forty million people, be so dumb"

Easy, they're stupid...

Ignorant, mentally lazy and uninformed, that's how....memorized and hypnotized, by billions of dollars of propaganda, paid for by the American Corporate Fascist pigs, aka, the Republican Party, aka The Grand Oil Party.

G.[/b] </span> </div></div>

This post confirms what I have always said about you ... in spite of your claims to love the democratic process, you despise it.

LWW

Gayle in MD
11-06-2010, 05:29 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deeman3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Funny but yes, like Mrs. Pelosi has been convicted of destroying the health care system in the court of public opinion, except by "liberals!" </div></div>

She will go down as the most effective and successful SOTH in history, hence, the right hates her guts.

She managed to pass a tremendous amount of Legislation, under very difficult circumstances, and hence, gets very high ratings from political Scientists and historians.

Democractics should fully back their own, when one of the best, is under attack. That's their big mistake. They back off when the right takes aim on their most successful representatives.


Amazing, how you righties can be awe struck by the likes of Palin, yet bash the most intelligent, hardest working women in the Dem Party, but then, that's why you hate Hillary and Pelosi, so much, because they ARE very effective, hard working and successful....

I bash Palin because she is only out to line her own pockets, and totally failed as a Governor, throwing out her obligations to her state, and quitting, to go for the bucks.... is tht what you call honorable?

She had to know that she was not Vice Presidential material, and refused the choice by McCain, instead, she agreed to put the entire country at risk, all for her own political gain.

At least Christie has shown he puts the country before his political goals, by saying he isn't ready to be president. I have to admire him for that much.

G.

pooltchr
11-06-2010, 05:22 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deeman3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Funny but yes, like Mrs. Pelosi has been convicted of destroying the health care system in the court of public opinion, except by "liberals!" </div></div>

She will go down as the most effective and successful SOTH in history, hence, the right hates her guts.

G. </div></div>

The one accomplishment of hers that is noteworthy is that she predicted that the Dems would pay for their support of HCR at election time, but forced them to do it anyway. She is probably as responsible as any single person for the overwhelming losses suffered by Dem representatives this week...the biggest shift of power since WWII.

Steve

LWW
11-07-2010, 05:04 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deeman3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Steve,

I try, but just can't get that double standard message across. To her, it is as if there is only one critical view that counts, hers! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif</div></div>

You are close to an epiphany. In Gee's world there is only one valid opinion ... the party's opinion. Whatever they say is the "TRUTH" she will repeat as the "TRUTH."

LWW

Qtec
11-07-2010, 05:13 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">like Mrs. Pelosi has been convicted of destroying the health care system in the court of public opinion, </div></div>

..........and then you should link to something that backs up your ridiculous assertion.

Q

LWW
11-07-2010, 05:33 AM
It was put to a national poll just this week ... didn't you get the memo?

LWW

hondo
11-07-2010, 06:31 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deeman3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Steve,

I try, but just can't get that double standard message across. To her, it is as if there is only one critical view that counts, hers! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

I wonder when they will get the trial started or has Bush already been convicted and we didn't see it?

I wonder how many would not describe what Barney and his pals do as perverted if they had to watch, well, outside a Brokeback Mountain screaning! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif </div></div>


You are close to an epiphany. In Gee's world there is only one valid opinion ... the party's opinion. Whatever they say is the "TRUTH" she will repeat as the "TRUTH."

LWW


Dee, the Living Master, Sri LWW, says you are close to an epiphany!!!!
Keep striving, Grasshopper, and you will reach the Perfected State that Master Dub reached many decades ago. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

Deeman3
11-07-2010, 09:09 AM
Steve,

No one can validate my view as I will always remain open to discussion with those who may never think like I do.

I, as well as anyone, understand the twisted logic of the far left. I also know how fruitless the process of convincing them would be. The further they drive their views to the left, the more black Tuesdays like last week we will see.

You can't defeat evil by bringing them to your side, I know that. You also can't just belittle them into realization. Exposure is the only tool you have.

Years ago, most of their positionsnwerento embarrassing for them to publically air, now also 20 percent agree with them. In some cases, like acceptance of perversion, the figures are growing.

If you think us yanking chains on a billiard site will change thngs or most opinions, it just won't happen. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

If you notice, even ifnthebcountry has wandered left in the last decades, the more their positions get actual play in the public arena, the more they fail, the more the people wake up but the more the radicals swing left.

This is a good thing! In my opinion, you can't fight thisbwithbshouting of hate, only with discussion, exposure and laughter.

Those on the far, far left would not last 15 days in a non capitalist environment, even they really know this. They are, indeed, just nipping at the hands that feed them.

All this seems a patriotic fight to you and Dub, I think. You are very emotionally involved. I am less so. We are all hypocritical in many ways and right and wrong at the same time. We are all being used by one side or the other at times.

I never wanted to be on anyone's team. I don't really have any hate toward any on here, really. I like to laugh. Where else can you get such a charge out of good folks trying to play their position with such fury and conviction?

My thing, if I have one, is the outrage that can be generated at such silly PC views, people waiting in ambush just trying to turn opinion into racism, homophobia and perceived anti-women positions. To people that know me and are impacted by my decisions, thisnwould be particularly humorous.

Jack shares my sense of humor more than anyone else here. He can also convince me of things when al the noise can't. While we may disagree,he knows how to "take" my junk and I know-how to listen to his take. I was offended that he was chased off and still don't like the banning of anyone for junk many have done on here.

As far as Gayle, about the only thing worth reading here is the humor and the extreme views on both sides. Is she bat crazy at times? Absolutely! But where, outside Cuba, can you hear this stuff unashamedly postured with thebchance to respond? Why would you ever want silence that? If you don't think she makes some of the best arguments for her side, you are not paying attention. If it is the tired old name Bush we ofter see, you can just glaze over something you have seen 387 times. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

On the right, I do know Dub is a smart guy, much more politically knowledgable than many of us. While I do agree with much of his stuff, I don't feel the need to cheerlead his efforts, he is a very capable man in making his own arguments.

So, as for the next two years, the right will become the party of NO, and rightfully so in most cases and then left will become the party .of COMPASION. We all, including the DEms know this is not true but both will play their cards.

I have gin up on asking and giving civility in our discussions. The wounds Rae, perhaps, just to deep. Hondo, a nice guy I have met, is like a wounded animal as the hate even bounces from another forum to here. We used to coexist pretty well here for a decade. Hondo once said he had dared some on AZ to come over here and get a beat down, the is a paraphrase. Well, I guess he got what he wanted but since then, many reasonable people have stopped posting. I am not blaming Hondo, LWW or anyone else nor do I want start the old, It was him, not me!"

I just know we were different then. Yes, we were very tolerent and not so ready to give a beat down to the other side. Winning arguments were often secondary to hearing the other's views.

Now, if a rant from Gayle or a little ribbing from Jack was going to ruin my day, I might take more offense but it will not. Both of them are successful people, not persons acting in self interest, meaning they are expressing their opinions because of strongly held personal beliefs. If they are wrong, so what? They pay taxes, they vote, they speak their heart. That is why soldiers die, that is why we are different. Baiting them or insinuating they will once agin be tossed from this board smacks of not wanting to have to hear any opposition. Does it bother me that she does not see name calling of Bush and Limbaugh the same as doing exactly as a Pelosi or Obama. Yep.... Could I make up some similar names for them, what do you think? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

I give up on the civility but would prefer to be the outcast of both groups than a "Member" of either.

pooltchr
11-07-2010, 09:45 AM
Very well stated. And on the subject of banning, I agree in principle, but at the same time, since this forum is not mine, the people who run it are welcome to make the rules and enforce them as they see fit. We are all free to decide if we will abide by the rules or not. We can all expect to be held accountable, should we decide to break their rules.

Actually, what happens on this forum is pretty much out of my mind the instant I close the page. I think there is far too much name calling, and attacking going on here, and it comes from both sides. I can't say what motivates others, but as for myself, if I am attacked, I will fight back with a bigger stick. Unfortunately, this often causes things to escelate to the point where it gets out of control.

I usually can't even get past the first paragraph of some posts, when I know that the next 13 paragraphs are going to be the same thing I have read hundreds of times before, even to the point of the exact same phrasology of the talking points. If there is nothing new to add, what's the point?

Another poster, who admits to playing games and just trying to stir the pot has lost all credibility with me.

And the other one, just needs to tone it down and try to act like an adult. Perhaps vulgarity is a regular part of his vocabulary, but it has no place here, even with the substitution of * for one of the letters in a word. This is, after all, a public forum. I suspect that might be why he was on vacation, although I do not know that for a fact.

I have been accused of getting people banned around here, and there is no way to disprove the lie short of the mod getting on here and denying it....and I doubt that is going to happen. So, if people were constantly repeating lies about you, what would your reaction be?

I spend time on both this and AZ, and can honestly say that the level of civility on this board is way below what is found over there. Yes, there are more conservatives over there, but it's rare to see any personal attacks, although there are the occasional light hearted insults and jabs poked around, threats are almost non-existant.


I think this is a microcosim Washington. Too many people will support their party regardless of whether they are right or wrong. Common sense has been replaced with party loyalty.

I have often said that Washington is broken. I wonder if this forum is suffering from the same problem.

Steve

hondo
11-07-2010, 10:17 AM
Well, again, the "wounded animal" takes offense to something you
said.

" Hondo once said he had dared some on AZ to come over here and get a beat down, the is a paraphrase. Well, I guess he got what he wanted but since then, many reasonable people have stopped posting. "


This is a bullshit statement that lww has stated so many times that you now believe that it was my words. See how doublethink works?

At the time the Right, as they still do, dominated AZ and the Left dominated BD.
I suggested to lww that he might enjoy debating on a forum where all the odds weren't stacked in his favor. Nothing like what he has portrayed and you have apparently bought into.
When he joined, Gayle ignored him, Sonoma proved how smart he wasn't, and Wolfie blasted him. Something snapped and he has been hell-bent on trashing this forum since then.

Maybe he is a smart guy. He certainly scours the Right wing blogs and has all of their talking points down pat.
But where he's really sharp is in twisting others' words, revising history, and deniability.
He is on here 24/7, knows when a thread has been deleted,
seems pretty handy with the computer.
He can call you on proving a point when he knows that thread has been deleted.
He floods the forum with so much garbage that most posters don't know who said what.Obviously, you dont.

I've looked back on our exchanges. You got your panties in a knot over the "John Boner" thread. Don't know why. You have posted worse.
Now you have developed an attitude., culminating with the wounded animal slam.
Sure, I read what's on AZ. If I am attacked, I have one place I can respond. Of course, if I defend myself, I'm a whiner, a wounded animal.

The Right wingers have it all figured out. Attack and if they respond, call them a martyr, whiner, wounded animal, Obama cultist.
I notice they're starting to call Obama a whiner now that he's trying to defend himself.

I also notice that you seem as fed up with the Left as I am with the Right. But what you seem to have lost is your tolerance.
Too bad.

hondo
11-07-2010, 10:22 AM
" Hondo once said he had dared some on AZ to come over here and get a beat down, the is a paraphrase. Well, I guess he got what he wanted but since then, many reasonable people have stopped posting. "


I just got to thinking. If I was lww and you had posted that, I would have said, " Care to show me where I posted that? What's that? You can''t? I didn't think so."

But I'm not lww so I not going to post that even if it is true.

hondo
11-07-2010, 10:24 AM
steve jennings( flushworthy fantasy of relevance)

hondo
11-07-2010, 10:32 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

I spend time on both this and AZ, and can honestly say that the level of civility on this board is way below what is found over there. Yes, there are more conservatives over there, but it's rare to see any personal attacks, although there are the occasional light hearted insults and jabs poked around, threats are almost non-existant.




Steve </div></div>

Anyone who looks in on AZ know this is a pantload.
Pick almost any thread where the Left dare to initiate or respond and read how they're treated.
Here's one of the more mild ones :

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=208095&page=2

pooltchr
11-07-2010, 10:47 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Another poster, who admits to playing games and just trying to stir the pot has lost all credibility with me.

Steve </div></div>

And less than an hour later, he comes through to make my point!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">steve jennings( flushworthy fantasy of relevance) </div></div>

Is there any possible reason for making this post, if not to stir the pot, or score a cheap shot?

And he wonders why he is treated the way he is treated.


Steve

Gayle in MD
11-07-2010, 12:00 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">like Mrs. Pelosi has been convicted of destroying the health care system in the court of public opinion, </div></div>

..........and then you should link to something that backs up your ridiculous assertion.

Q </div></div>

They are as off base as always.

It's actually half and half, about half the people want to keep Health Care Reform, as it stands, or make it stronger...

This election was about the economy...that's all. The Health Care Bill, has nothing to do with the way people voted. People are hurting, as they always do, after we finally get rid of another spendoholic Repubican President...

People are too stupid to realized that this was unchartered terrotory, we've never faced such a massive, but complex recession. First oof it's kind in a global econoomy.
Americans are getting dumber and dumber...as are their kids. No one could have navigated through Bush's disatrous legacy, any better than Obama has....

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

We finally got a president who isn't just a political phony, spouting daily rhetoric and self-praise, and the public can't connect. No surprise there....especially after eight years of Bush...

We've been losing ground for thirty years, most of that time, Republicans ran the show....


I hope Obama tells them to take those tax cuts for the top two percent, and shove 'em....
G.

Deeman3
11-07-2010, 01:34 PM
Hondo,

I was not on AZ, never was as a poster. I didn't get an idea of you inviting them over here, I was here and saw it before they ever showed up.What went on on AZ, I am not aware of except the posts you have quoted over here. Whatever you want to make of it now, I do remember the initial words about your invite to them, several other posters, left and right gave you a little crap for it at the time.

I may have posted worse in my time here, I won't argue that. If I "got my panties in a wad" on this thread, it was perhaps my point that you will never let it go and keep bringing up the mistreatment on AZ up over here, the wounded animal comment. That's o.k. And you can keep it going for years more but you don't see that is exactly what an opponent wants.

I know you don't give a rip what I think. However, the last thing I wanted was to add to those you feel are persecuting you, if that is what you think is happening. I was just making a point on where we are. if you are a hapless victim, I can not comment on you further or pretend to put you on ignore as is the custom here. I don't remember everyone being this sensitive until now!

If I have offended you, I apologize. That may have seemed my intend but was not.

Deeman3
11-07-2010, 01:52 PM
Steve,

The really funny thing about al this is the true purpose of my original statement about someone's attitude on this. It may have been not as obvious as I thought but my follow up that it was a joke sailed over most heads here as well.

I was saying, with irony, that if someone has that attitude, then certainly, WE did not. Of course, that is the attitude on both sides. Maybe we are best to have come to this, only extreme from all sides.

I don't think there will survivors from either side at this point. Maybe the next generation, if there is one with any freedom, will handle it much better.

LWW
11-07-2010, 03:09 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Another poster, who admits to playing games and just trying to stir the pot has lost all credibility with me.

Steve </div></div>

And less than an hour later, he comes through to make my point!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">steve jennings( flushworthy fantasy of relevance) </div></div>

Is there any possible reason for making this post, if not to stir the pot, or score a cheap shot?

And he <s>wonders why he is</s> begs to be treated the way he is treated.


Steve </div></div>

With only a minor alteration, you nailed it.

LWW

LWW
11-07-2010, 03:11 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deeman3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hondo,

I was not on AZ, never was as a poster. I didn't get an idea of you inviting them over here, I was here and saw it before they ever showed up.</div></div>

I suspect the newest "TRUTH" will be that Wilson changed the forum's records to incriminate Aitch.

LWW

hondo
11-07-2010, 03:11 PM
And yet you chase me around the forum, always responding,
obviously completely obsessed with me.
Even posting about me on AZ when you know I am defenseless.
Why is that, jennings?
Why not just ignore me?
I would happily forget about you if you stop posting
crap about me.
Not only would we be happy but I imagine everybody else
on this forum would sigh in relief.

I hereby promise that if you quit talking about me and constantly shadow posting me, I will leave you alone.

Man up, jennings. Accept this deal.

P.S. Don't just respond that you know I won't live up to it.
Give me a chance before you attack again. How about it?

LWW
11-07-2010, 03:16 PM
How many chances do you think you deserve?

If you read my sig line you might for once ... just <u><span style='font-size: 26pt'><span style='font-family: Arial Black'>ONCE</span></span></u> ... realize why you are devoid of credibility.

LWW

hondo
11-07-2010, 03:22 PM
A pretty good post.
I WOULD like to see the post where I challenged them to come over here and get a beatdown.
I know that didn't happen despite what you claim to have seen.
I doubt that you will bother to look but it is a damn shame that I am accused of something I didn't do.

You are mistaking lwws bullshit for something I never said.

Certainly, I may have commented on lwws beatdown after Sonoma got through with him but that was not what I said when inviting him to debate with the BDers.

I want to make that important distinction.
Also, when I suggested lww join in the debate over here, he was a pretty decent poster on AZ.
I never dreamed he would evolve into the common troll he has become on here.

And I am very sorry he has destroyed this forum and ran most posters off.
I honestly never dreamed that would happen.

hondo
11-07-2010, 03:36 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How many chances do you think you deserve?

If you read my sig line you might for once ... just <u><span style='font-size: 26pt'><span style='font-family: Arial Black'>ONCE</span></span></u> ... realize why you are devoid of credibility.

LWW </div></div>

So, may I assume you are answering for Jennings and he need not bother to respond personally?
You would hate to see him accept this offer, wouldn't you, lww?

pooltchr
11-07-2010, 04:10 PM
Your offer is as lame now as it was when Gayle made it.

You post your crap on a public forum, and then want to pick and choose who can respond to you.

Start sending PMs if you don't want a reply!

And, you totally ignored the fact that your post that I pointed out served absolutely no purpose other than to stir the pot and launch another of your cheap shots.

YOU are as responsible as anyone for the demise of this forum. For that, you should be ashamed.

Steve

Deeman3
11-07-2010, 06:25 PM
If it was not you who invited them over, then I have mistakenly confused You with someone else. If so, I am sorry and perhaps have less memory cells left than I thought at this age. as I don't have a clue how to search any archives I will agree. That I must have been mistaken.

hondo
11-07-2010, 07:10 PM
Well, I tried, jennings. Hopefully, everyone read my offer and your response.

hondo
11-07-2010, 07:17 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deeman3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If it was not you who invited them over, then I have mistakenly confused You with someone else. If so, I am sorry and perhaps have less memory cells left than I thought at this age. as I don't have a clue how to search any archives I will agree. That I must have been mistaken. </div></div>

I'm beginning to wonder why I even bother to post.

This is what I said to you just a few posts ago:

"At the time the Right, as they still do, dominated AZ and the Left dominated BD.
I suggested to lww that he might enjoy debating on a forum where all the odds weren't stacked in his favor. Nothing like what he has portrayed and you have apparently bought into.
When he joined, Gayle ignored him, Sonoma proved how smart he wasn't, and Wolfie blasted him. Something snapped and he has been hell-bent on trashing this forum since then."

Btw, did you happen to notice my offer to jennings and his and lwws responses?
I'm starting to wonder why I even bother.

This "wounded animal" is getting pretty damned tired of the whole bunch of you. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/mad.gif

Deeman3
11-07-2010, 07:49 PM
I won't bother you again.

Qtec
11-07-2010, 08:47 PM
You are the ultimate poll whore. Nobody gives a rats a$$ about poll's except you.

A poll, people's opinions, doesn't make something a fact.

Q

Qtec
11-07-2010, 09:07 PM
link (http://billiardsdigest.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=324575#Post324575)

To accuse Pelosi of 'destroying' the HC system is absurd.

Here is your 'new' TP candidate elect in Florida, <u>an expert in HC</u>.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Rick Scott Wins Tight Florida Governor Race

After a long, bitter, and exceedingly close race, Republican Rick Scott took the Florida Governor contest on Wednesday morning, beating out Democratic rival Alex Scott by a margin of less than 70,000 votes of the 5.3 million cast.

"Today is the end of politics as usual in Tallahassee," Scott told a crowd of several hundred supporters in a victory speech on Wednesday, according to the Palm Beach Post.

"<span style='font-size: 20pt'>Starting today,</span> I work for every Floridian," Scott said, adding "Florida is open for business." </div></div>

Sounds great yeah?

One slight problem......the guy should be in jail.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Scott is the former CEO of the for-profit hospital chain Columbia/HCA, which was <span style='font-size: 17pt'>raided by the FBI</span> in 1997 <span style='font-size: 20pt'>for widespread Medicare fraud.</span> <u>Scott resigned four months after the FBI's investigation became public, but some have wondered about his potential involvement in the affair.</u> According to the Miami Herald, Scott said he was never indicted for or questioned about the case.

The hospital chain, Columbia/HCA, <span style='font-size: 26pt'>pleaded guilty to at least 14 felony charges, and was ultimately fined $1.7 billion for the fraud, according to the Miami Herald. Among those charges were three counts of <u>conspiracy to defraud the United States.</u> </span></div></div>

ie, THE TAXPAYER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

.......and the dumb brainless Conservatives elect him to office!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Can you now understand why the Left thinks the Right are gullible morons????


Q.......most of the TP candidates ran on a <span style='font-size: 23pt'>"I will tell you what I think AFTER you elect me!" ticket. Most of them <u>too afraid</u> to open their own mouths LEST they say something STUPID..........AGAIN.</span>

They were all constantly on the run from the press......still....millions of pinheads voted for them?


Need I go on?

hondo
11-07-2010, 09:15 PM
I just ask that you be fair and accurate.
If I tell you that what you're saying about me is inaccurate, either believe me or investigate.

Doesn't seem too much to ask since we've always gotten along.

hondo
11-07-2010, 09:18 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> link (http://billiardsdigest.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=324575#Post324575)

To accuse Pelosi of 'destroying' the HC system is absurd.

Here is your 'new' TP candidate elect in Florida, <u>an expert in HC</u>.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Rick Scott Wins Tight Florida Governor Race

After a long, bitter, and exceedingly close race, Republican Rick Scott took the Florida Governor contest on Wednesday morning, beating out Democratic rival Alex Scott by a margin of less than 70,000 votes of the 5.3 million cast.

"Today is the end of politics as usual in Tallahassee," Scott told a crowd of several hundred supporters in a victory speech on Wednesday, according to the Palm Beach Post.

"<span style='font-size: 20pt'>Starting today,</span> I work for every Floridian," Scott said, adding "Florida is open for business." </div></div>

Sounds great yeah?

One slight problem......the guy should be in jail.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Scott is the former CEO of the for-profit hospital chain Columbia/HCA, which was <span style='font-size: 17pt'>raided by the FBI</span> in 1997 <span style='font-size: 20pt'>for widespread Medicare fraud.</span> <u>Scott resigned four months after the FBI's investigation became public, but some have wondered about his potential involvement in the affair.</u> According to the Miami Herald, Scott said he was never indicted for or questioned about the case.

The hospital chain, Columbia/HCA, <span style='font-size: 26pt'>pleaded guilty to at least 14 felony charges, and was ultimately fined $1.7 billion for the fraud, according to the Miami Herald. Among those charges were three counts of <u>conspiracy to defraud the United States.</u> </span></div></div>

ie, THE TAXPAYER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

.......and the dumb brainless Conservatives elect him to office!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Can you now understand why the Left thinks the Right are gullible morons????


Q.......most of the TP candidates ran on a <span style='font-size: 23pt'>"I will tell you what I think AFTER you elect me!" ticket. Most of them <u>too afraid</u> to open their own mouths LEST they say something STUPID..........AGAIN.</span>

They were all constantly on the run from the press......still....millions of pinheads voted for them?


Need I go on?
</div></div>

Keep em honest, Q.
You're the only one on here with the digestive system
to debate lww. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

Qtec
11-07-2010, 09:34 PM
In the good old days, someone running for office would say what they stand for and say want to do if elected and if enough people agreed with that person then that person would be elected.

Not the GOP and the TP candidates.


Here is a classic example. Even after they have won Cantor gives the same answer to every question.

Bachmann does it too.

blah ..blah......blah (http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/eric-cantor-cant-explain-how-republicans-w)

hypnotized (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/02/chris-matthews-asks-miche_n_778010.html)

Q

hondo
11-07-2010, 09:43 PM
Raese thought he would win in West Virginia without saying anything other than that Manchin sucked up to Obama, which wasn't even true. Nobody knew what Raese believed.
Thank God West Virginians proved smarter than that.

The polls all had Raese ahead and he lost big. Hmmmm.

pooltchr
11-07-2010, 10:23 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

To accuse Pelosi of 'destroying' the HC system is absurd.

</div></div>

So is this your idea of how her bill is making things better???

Obamacare Spurs AARP to Raise Premiums

AARP's endorsement helped secure passage of President Barack Obama's health care overhaul. Now the seniors' lobby is telling its employees their insurance costs will rise partly as a result of the law.

In an e-mail to employees, AARP says health care premiums will increase by 8 percent to 13 percent next year because of rapidly rising medical costs.

And AARP adds that it's changing copayments and deductibles to avoid a 40 percent tax on high-cost health plans that takes effect in 2018 under the law. Aerospace giant Boeing also has cited the tax in asking its workers to pay more. Shifting costs to employees lowers the value of a health care plan and acts like an escape hatch from the tax.

"Most plan co-pays and deductibles have been modified," Jennifer Hodges, AARP's director of compensation and benefits, wrote employees in an Oct. 25 e-mail. "Plan value changes were necessary not only from a cost management standpoint but also to ensure that AARP's plans fall below the threshold for high-cost group plans under health care reform."


If this is any indication, anyone who did have a good insurance plan will see it downgraded so they won't get over taxed on it!

Do you not see the destruction this plan will cause???


Steve

eg8r
11-07-2010, 10:50 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Boehner will finally have to do some work, and let's hope, he realizes the difference between the Constitution, and the Bill Of Rights, before they swear him in.</div></div>Why would you even care. I mean, those of us who do believe in our USCON and Bill of Rights hope he does but you supported Pelosi/Reid so you obviously have never cared about the USCON.

eg8r

LWW
11-08-2010, 12:21 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Boehner will finally have to do some work, and let's hope, he realizes the difference between the Constitution, and the Bill Of Rights, before they swear him in. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif</div></div>

There is no "DIFFERENCE" between them ... the Bill of Rights is a part of the COTUS.

LWW

LWW
11-08-2010, 12:24 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How many chances do you think you deserve?

If you read my sig line you might for once ... just <u><span style='font-size: 26pt'><span style='font-family: Arial Black'>ONCE</span></span></u> ... realize why you are devoid of credibility.

LWW </div></div>

So, may I assume you are answering for Jennings and he need not bother to respond personally?
You would hate to see him accept this offer, wouldn't you, lww? </div></div>

I'm speaking for myself and you are ducking the question again Foghorn.

LWW

Deeman3
11-08-2010, 09:12 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I just ask that you be fair and accurate.
If I tell you that what you're saying about me is inaccurate, either believe me or investigate.

Doesn't seem too much to ask since we've always gotten along. </div></div>

<span style="color: #FF0000">Fair enough! That is certainly not too much to ask. </span>

hondo
11-08-2010, 09:22 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deeman3</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I just ask that you be fair and accurate.
If I tell you that what you're saying about me is inaccurate, either believe me or investigate.

Doesn't seem too much to ask since we've always gotten along. </div></div>

<span style="color: #FF0000">Fair enough! That is certainly not too much to ask. </span> </div></div>

Thank you, Dee.

Gayle in MD
11-08-2010, 09:57 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deeman3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If it was not you who invited them over, then I have mistakenly confused You wit for AZers to come over here and h someone else. If so, I am sorry and perhaps have less memory cells left than I thought at this age. as I don't have a clue how to search any archives I will agree. That I must have been mistaken. </div></div>


<span style="color: #FF0000">FYI, the first person to go over there and throw out a challenge to political posters in general, was Barbara, formerly of the NEWT Tour, who happened to be one of the rightwing women, who thought they should, or could, gain support from both forum admins, to ban all political posts.

while doing so, she mentioned my name, over there, something like, "If you want to post about politics go over and argue with Gayle in Md., so for once, let's put this whole myth to rest, that Hondo was the one to go over there and throw out a challenge. He wasn't. It was Barbara, many years ago.

G. </span>

eg8r
11-08-2010, 10:00 AM
I sure do miss Barbara's posts.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
11-08-2010, 10:10 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well, I tried, jennings. Hopefully, everyone read my offer and your response. </div></div>

You can't ever get a cyberstalking troll, who lives to degrade and aggitate others, to back off.

Bullies don't operate that way.

He's written the most repulsive posts, ever posted on this forum, and pretends he's above it all.

How many people on this forum would call another member, the scum of the earth?

I'm glad the only time I have to read his BS is when someone else quotes his juvenile blather.

G.

Gayle in MD
11-08-2010, 10:51 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I, as well as anyone, understand the twisted logic of the far left. I also know how fruitless the process of convincing them would be. The further they drive their views to the left, the more black Tuesdays like last week we will see.

You can't defeat evil by bringing them to your side, I know that. You also can't just belittle them into realization. Exposure is the only tool you have.

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<span style="color: #FF0000"> <span style='font-size: 14pt'>Hilarious!

Now the far left is evil, huh?

My posts are all rants, but yours are reasonable posts, without any display of hate for Democratics, supported by documentation? BWA HA HA HA...that's a good one.

When is the last time you saw people from the far left, calling for violence in our country?

I'm evil, because I call you out for writing homophobic statements, over and over again, but ONLY about Barney, while the HOmosexuals on your side of the isle, just hide in the closet, while at the same time, bashing Gays for being who they are, huh?

Keep on moving that line, Deeman, you were the first person here, to attack me, for writing my political views about Bush and Iraq, which, BTW, all turned out to be right on target.


Since when do you actually engage in any true debate? You're M.O. is to immediately turn to sarcasm, once your, "Points" have been proven WRONG.

When it comes to hatespeak, and ridicule, of others in the public eye, on this forum, I don't have anything on you.

Whiloe tyou're far from being as absurd and out of touch as the two or three totally irrational posters on here, your more recent posts, indicate that you agree with their views.

Just as I had expected...

We post government statistical reports, on Jobs, on the economy, on the results of Bush, and the Republicans, and the illegal invasion of Iraq, and what do we get back? Nothing but attacks, annd RW Mythology.

LOL...you do have a great sense of humor.

G.


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Deeman3
11-08-2010, 11:30 AM
Gayle,

I have never hidden my opinion that I believed the far left was evil. I think they are almost in total responsible for the decline of the public school systems, the formation and twisting of the welfare system that has caused the decline to the minority communities, the system that rewards doing nothing instead of working your way through to success. If I did not believe that, I'd be on the far left myself. I have never hidden that.

I may run when my points have been "proven" wrong, but many of on here still do not consider a quote from Huffington Post or Media Matters as proof any more than you think a quote from Fox news is proof from the other side. I will admit not responding when you turn the discussion 180 degrees to the longish rants on how much you hate Bush or how a general you just though was betrayus is now a patriot.

You can say I am as bad as you or worse on the name calling, I just disagree. Yes, I have alwsys given Barney Frank, Nancy Pelosi and Hilary a hard time but my occasional outbursts pale in comparison to the dozens of names you make up for anyone on the right.

I don't rememebr being the very first person to "attack" you on Iraq or on Bush but if I did, how much was a personal attack and how much was it that I just disagreed with you? To you any opposition is an attack.

Of course I make smart-assed comments! Is there a new law you have that says I am not supposed to? Are we to just sit by and watch you say every Republican is a crook, every Democrat is a Saint and not say something? Is that the rules you are wanting on here? That I am o.k. on the few cases where we might agree but a devil when I express my thoughts?

If I have ever said anything about your personal health, your right to express yourself, no matter how wrong it may be, I would apoligise but I don't think I have. If you want a forum where not one person disagrees with anything you say or questions your position, I don't think there is any good reason for the rest of us to be here.

I have said I am sorry for mistakenly remembering that Hondo had invited anyone over here from AZ. I think it was reasonable to do so as I had no evidence that it was him. I don't think that has anything to do with my thinking the far left, and I certainly think you are there, is wrong, very wrong in many cases. You actually think my pulling up an equally right wing web site and giving you a quote from it would be accepted by you as "evidence" and more than the stuff you search and post as "evidence" is accepted by our side? Get real! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif Cherry picking of any reports can say anything if the data is selective. It happens on both sides...

Like my offer to anyone here, if you request me not to respond to your rants, I'll honor that. If it makes you feel any better that one more person is not challenging your "truths", I'll do that. I am not, as you have said of others, addicted to you. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif I am also not a bully and do not cyberstalk anyone. I just express what I think. I had hoped you could handle that. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

Gayle in MD
11-08-2010, 12:25 PM
Another Rant, Deeman? More name calling, directly aimed at me, IOW, another personal insult.

Just like old times, eh? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

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Deeman3
11-08-2010, 12:31 PM
If that is what you read into it, then it must be so!
There are no impartial judges to tell us, are there?

hondo
11-08-2010, 03:53 PM
I have explained what I said to them til I'm blue in the face.
I can do no more.
I suggested they might find more of a challenge over here
with more liberals on board.
How that has been twisted and twisted is mind boggling. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/sick.gif

LWW
11-09-2010, 04:22 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have explained what I said to them til I'm blue in the face.
I can do no more.
I suggested they might find more of a challenge over here
with more liberals on board.
How that has been twisted and twisted is mind boggling. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/sick.gif </div></div>

The guilty usually spend a lot of time "EXPLAINING" things.

Still bored?

LWW