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Gayle in MD
11-12-2010, 07:59 AM
<span style='font-size: 11pt'><span style="color: #CC0000">I can always expect to sign on here in the morning, and see atleast three of the most outrageous lies in the RW fantasyland, quoted on this forum in thread titles, by one of our nutiest.

Do people know, for example, that the President spent Veterans Day laying wreaths on the Graves of AMERICAN SOLDIERS, and Meeting with families of our Veterans?

Or that Michele Obama spent the day serving food, to our soldiers on AMERICAN bases.

Yet sign on here today, and anyone would think that the president spent the day setting up a new terrorist link with enemies around the world.

This is why I stay on this forum, and pretty much the ONLY thing that keeps me here, other than a few good friends...

And YES, I am going to quote the entire article, because that's how important I believe it is.....in the midst of this slush pool of deceitful lies included in the thread titles from the right.

Oh, and BTW, no decision has been made at this time, by the President, on the Debt Panel's findings, but both extreme's of the right and the left, are apparently outraged over their suggestions....which amounts to more failed Republican policies, that reward the wealthy, on the backs of all of the rest...

I really think Andrew Sullivan, best describes what the radical, non-thinking right is doing and has done to America's critical thinking skills, with their lies, slander and misinterpretation of truth, something they are not only repulsed by, but don't even bother to search for anymore, or even care about, as they just tune into their friendly radical right, hate filled, liars on cable and radio, on a daily bases, to find out which attacks to use during their day, against intellectual critical thinking skills, and against what they perceive, wrongly, as Liberal Policies.


</span></span> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 14pt'>It seems to me that the last year or so in America's political culture has represented the triumph of untruth. And the untruth was propagated by a deliberate, simple and systemic campaign to kill Obama's presidency in its crib. Emergency measures in a near-unprecedented economic collapse - the bank bailout, the auto-bailout, the stimulus - were described by the right as ideological moves of choice, when they were, in fact, pragmatic moves of necessity. The increasingly effective isolation of Iran's regime - and destruction of its legitimacy from within - was portrayed as a function of Obama's weakness, rather than his strength. The health insurance reform - almost identical to Romney's, to the right of the Clintons in 1993, costed to reduce the deficit, without a public option, and with millions more customers for the insurance and drug companies - was turned into a socialist government take-over.

Every one of these moves could be criticized in many ways. What cannot be done honestly, in my view, is to create a narrative from all of them to describe Obama as an anti-American hyper-leftist, spending the US into oblivion. But since this seems to be the only shred of thinking left on the right (exacerbated by the justified flight of the educated classes from a party that is now openly contemptuous of learning), it became a familiar refrain - pummeled into our heads day and night by talk radio and Fox. If you think I'm exaggerating, try the following thought experiment.







If a black Republican president had come in, helped turn around the banking and auto industries (at a small profit!), insured millions through the private sector while cutting Medicare, overseen a sharp decline in illegal immigration, ramped up the war in Afghanistan, reinstituted pay-as-you go in the Congress, set up a debt commission to offer hard choices for future debt reduction, and seen private sector job growth outstrip the public sector's in a slow but dogged recovery, somehow I don't think that Republican would be regarded as a socialist.</span>

<span style='font-size: 17pt'>This is the era of the Big Lie, in other words, and it translates into a lot of little lies - "death panels," "out-of-control" spending, "apologies for America" etc. - designed to concoct a false narrative so simple and so familiar it actually succeeded in getting into people's minds in the midst of a brutal recession. And integral to this process have been conservative "intellectuals" who should and do know better, but have long since sacrificed intellectual honesty for the cheap thrills of enabling power-grabs. And few lies represent this intellectual cooptation of talk radio/FNC propaganda better than the lie that Obama has publicly rebutted the idea of American exceptionalism.

Where does one start? Where one always starts with these things - Jonah Goldberg:

Last year, when asked if he believed in American exceptionalism, President Obama responded, "I believe in American exceptionalism, just as I suspect that the Brits believe in British exceptionalism and the Greeks believe in Greek exceptionalism."

This reminded me of the wonderful scene in Pixar's "The Incredibles," in which the mom says "everyone's special" and her son replies, "Which is another way of saying no one is." But at least the president made room for the sentiment that America is a special place, even if he chalked it up to a kind of benign provincialism.

Oh really?

Here is the full Obama quote:

I believe in American exceptionalism, just as I suspect that the Brits believe in British exceptionalism and the Greeks believe in Greek exceptionalism. I'm enormously proud of my country and its role and history in the world. If you think about the site of this summit and what it means, I don't think America should be embarrassed to see evidence of the sacrifices of our troops, the enormous amount of resources that were put into Europe postwar, and our leadership in crafting an Alliance that ultimately led to the unification of Europe. We should take great pride in that.

And if you think of our current situation, the United States remains the largest economy in the world. We have unmatched military capability. And I think that we have a core set of values that are enshrined in our Constitution, in our body of law, in our democratic practices, in our belief in free speech and equality, that, though imperfect, are exceptional.

Now, the fact that I am very proud of my country and I think that we've got a whole lot to offer the world does not lessen my interest in recognizing the value and wonderful qualities of other countries, or recognizing that we're not always going to be right, or that other people may have good ideas, or that in order for us to work collectively, all parties have to compromise and that includes us.

And so I see no contradiction between believing that America has a continued extraordinary role in leading the world towards peace and prosperity and recognizing that that leadership is incumbent, depends on, our ability to create partnerships because we create partnerships because we can't solve these problems alone.

In other words, Obama emphatically doesn't reduce the idea of American exceptionalism to "benign provincialism." Quite the contrary: he explicitly asserts that the values enshrined in the Constitution are exceptional, and defends them and the US's history in front of a foreign audience. It's worth pointing out this factual error at such length because everyone in the conservative movement has already made it.

And that's hardly an exaggeration. Here are Ramesh Ponnuru and Rich Lowry:

...while acknowledging that America has been a force for good, he has all but denied the idea that America is an exceptional nation. Asked whether he believed in American exceptionalism during a European trip last spring, Obama said, “I believe in American exceptionalism, just as I suspect that the Brits believe in British exceptionalism and the Greeks believe in Greek exception*alism.” (Is it just a coincidence that he reached for examples of former hegemons?)

They acknowledge here that the full quote should have run (though the original piece remains uncorrected). Said Dinesh D'Souza in his infamous Forbes piece:

This is known as American exceptionalism. But when asked at a 2009 press conference whether he believed in this ideal, Obama said no. America, he suggested, is no more unique or exceptional than Britain or Greece or any other country.

No surprise that the magazine didn't catch that error during its post-publication fact check - another one of its authors made the same mistake here. Monica Crowley in The Washington Times:

During his public life, Barack Obama has often referred to his biracial background and itinerant childhood and has said, "In no other country on Earth is my story even possible." True.

But earlier this year, while attending the European summit of the Group of 20 major economic countries, the president was asked if he believed in American exceptionalism. He replied, "I believe in American exceptionalism, just as I suspect that the Brits believe in British exceptionalism, and the Greeks believe in Greek exceptionalism."

Here's Victor Davis Hanson: "After all, Obama has rejected in explicit language the notion of American exceptionalism." And Michael Barone:

"I believe in American exceptionalism," Obama said on one of his trips to Europe, "just as I suspect that Brits believe in British exceptionalism and the Greeks believe in Greek exceptionalism." In other words, not at all. One cannot imagine Presidents Roosevelt, Truman or Kennedy, Eisenhower or Reagan, uttering such sentiments.
Here's video of Charles Krauthammer making the same mistake. Ken Blackwell at Townhall:
When asked if he believes in American exceptionalism, President Obama said yes, but he was sure that the British and the Belgians also believed in their countries’ exceptionalism.

President Obama’s version of American exceptionalism is Lake Woebegon’s children: they’re all above average. Or perhaps, he’d be more at home in Alice in Wonderland’s Caucus Race, where everyone runs and everyone gets prizes.
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What's especially remarkable about this hackery - and there are numerous other examples - is that these conservative authors don't just egregiously misrepresent the president's actual position. It's that all of them actually cite, as evidence, an out of context line from the very speech that proves their analysis is wrong.</span><span style='font-size: 20pt'>
You can call this truthiness if you like. Better, the Dish believes, to call it what it is. A deliberate campaign of misinformation. A Big Lie.</span>(Photo: US President Barack Obama waves to the media as he enters his presidential car upon arrival at the Halim Perdana Kusuma airport in Jakarta on November 9, 2010. By Roslan Rahman/AFP/Getty.)</span>
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http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2010/11/the-rights-accuracy-problem.html

Gayle,
"I am proud to announce, I AM A LIBERAL, AND I WILL NEVER vote for a REPUBLICAN."

sack316
11-12-2010, 09:43 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Yet sign on here today, and anyone would think that the president spent the day setting up a new terrorist link with enemies around the world.
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I only saw one post in regards to this today other than yours... to which I already replied before I saw your post.

Sack

Gayle in MD
11-12-2010, 10:04 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sack316</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Yet sign on here today, and anyone would think that the president spent the day setting up a new terrorist link with enemies around the world.
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I only saw one post in regards to this today other than yours... to which I already replied before I saw your post.

Sack </div></div>

Well, yes, but I meant a whole list of posts titles, about a range of subjects, which were and are lies.

I could go right down the line of thread titles from the right, and prove everyone of them wrong....this is far from the only lie they have posted on here....

sack316
11-12-2010, 10:05 AM
my mistake, I thought you meant there were a slew of posts about that one particular subject.

Sack

Gayle in MD
11-12-2010, 10:18 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sack316</div><div class="ubbcode-body">my mistake, I thought you meant there were a slew of posts about that one particular subject.

Sack </div></div>

No problem, we all make mistakes. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif You are the only one from the right, on tis forum, who admits it when you do make a mistake, which isn't that often.