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Qtec
11-27-2010, 12:21 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> The real problem right now, in my view, is not the system <u>but one of the major political parties.</u> We have in the current GOP a truly disturbing and cynical view of politics: there is nothing but party and ideology and the former is a vehicle solely for power to enact the other. <span style='font-size: 14pt'>The zero GOP votes for a stimulus package in the middle of the fastest downturn since the 1930s <u>that was one-third tax cuts </u>tells you all you need to know.</span> And the Republican adoption of utopian, John Birch fantasies about rolling back the legacy of Woodrow Wilson makes any sane engagement with this party impossible. <span style='font-size: 17pt'>It is no longer run by anyone in Congress, but directed by talk radio, Fox News, Sarah Palinís Twitter account and Manichean ranters like radio host Mike Levin.</span> If any government action is regarded as tyranny, then there is never any way to compromise. <u>The fundamental problem lies with a deranged, ideological and dangerous opposition in a system designed to forge pragmatic compromise.</u></div></div>

Q link (http://mariopiperni.com/politics-101/is-the-american-political-system-broken.php)

cushioncrawler
11-27-2010, 12:52 AM
Any system can work ok if it iz run by smart nonselfish nonkriminal leaders.
Any system will not work ok if it iz run by stupid or selfish or kriminal leaders.
The leaders are more important than the systems.

The usofa system.
This system haz at prezent a large number of stupid selfish leaders, and many of theze are allso kriminals.

Which reminds me of the fakt that more harm iz (woz) done in the usofa by legal acts than by kriminal acts.
mac.

Qtec
11-27-2010, 01:30 AM
The solution is to elect genuine public servants.

Those who want to increase the standard of living for all, not just for themselves.

Sounds good to me but to make that happen, the whole US election system has to be changed.

Q

cushioncrawler
11-27-2010, 05:39 AM
Firstly, corporate usofa haztabe kept out of politix.
Unions havtabe kept out. Better still, get ridovem.
Thirdly, kill all krappynomicysts.
Fourthly, kill all Godists, Allahists, Jawehists.
Filfthly, kill all GOP -- no, dont bother, they were all killeded in 1 and 3 and 4.
mac.

pooltchr
11-27-2010, 08:21 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The solution is to elect genuine public servants.

Those who want to increase the standard of living for all, not just for themselves.

Sounds good to me but to make that happen, the whole US election system has to be changed.

Q </div></div>

This is possibly one of the most insightful posts you have ever made. The article you quoted at first places all the blame on one party, which is nuts. Look at history, and see that it doesn't matter which party is in charge, as they are simply two sides of the same coin. Both parties primary concern is to get elected, maintain power, and increase the size and scope of government.

Yes, the system is badly damaged. Unfortunately, the people who would be in a position to change the system are owned by the two parties, neither of which have any interest in changing the system.

Steve

Qtec
11-28-2010, 04:57 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> This is possibly one of the most insightful posts you have ever made. The article you quoted at first places all the blame on one party,</div></div>

Actually it doesn't. If you read it it, it presents all kinds of different views, I just quoted the one I most agree with.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The zero GOP votes for a stimulus package in the middle of the fastest downturn since the 1930s that was <span style='font-size: 20pt'>one-third tax cuts </span>tells you all you need to know. </div></div>

The GOP against tax cuts?????

The HC bill was basically a mix of what Bob Dole proposed and mitt Romney implemented in his own state!

Don't you think it was kinda strange that Mitt, front runner for the GOP Pres nomination 2012 ] was totally ABSENT during the HC reform debate?

It was all hype. More drummed up false outrage.

Q

LWW
11-28-2010, 05:45 AM
The US political system has been broken since the direct election of US senators was enacted.

Reversing that travesty is one of the key elements in returning to what we once had.

LWW

pooltchr
11-28-2010, 07:53 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
The HC bill was basically a mix of what Bob Dole proposed and mitt Romney implemented in his own state!


Q </div></div>

Correct. And the complete failure in Massachusetts should have been a huge warning sign to the rest of the country!

How could anyone think after seeing the disasterous results in MA, that implimenting it on a national scale could be a good thing?

Steve

LWW
11-28-2010, 08:44 AM
What Snoopy ignores is that "OBAMACARE" as passed is essentially "HILLARYCARE" which then candidate Obama said would be a disaster.

LWW

pooltchr
11-28-2010, 09:27 AM
In other words, Obama knew it would be a disaster, but had Nancy push it through anyway!

Steve

Gayle in MD
11-28-2010, 09:37 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> This is possibly one of the most insightful posts you have ever made. The article you quoted at first places all the blame on one party,</div></div>

Actually it doesn't. If you read it it, it presents all kinds of different views, I just quoted the one I most agree with.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The zero GOP votes for a stimulus package in the middle of the fastest downturn since the 1930s that was <span style='font-size: 20pt'>one-third tax cuts </span>tells you all you need to know. </div></div>

The GOP against tax cuts?????

The HC bill was basically a mix of what Bob Dole proposed and mitt Romney implemented in his own state!

Don't you think it was kinda strange that Mitt, front runner for the GOP Pres nomination 2012 ] was totally ABSENT during the HC reform debate?

It was all hype. More drummed up false outrage.

Q </div></div>

Exactly Q. Republicans blocked every single effort to recover from Bush's multi messes.

They have proven, over and over, they only care about stuffing their pockets, with corporate money, and blocking everything that could help the Middle Class, our Veterans, and our environment.

Only the dumbest of the dumb, would vote for a Republican.

They destroyed our country. It started with Reagan, another treasonist.

G.

pooltchr
11-28-2010, 10:48 AM
Some of actually understood that the answer to the problems created by excessive government spending during the Bush administration, was not to expand those same government spending philosophies with the Obama administration.

You spent 8 years crying about how much the government was spending under Bush, and suddenly, now that it's your guy in office, excessive government spending is not only ok, but necessary.

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Steve

Gayle in MD
11-28-2010, 08:06 PM
I really like this part the best.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And the Republican adoption of utopian, John Birch fantasies about rolling back the legacy of Woodrow Wilson makes any sane engagement with this party impossible. </div></div>

LMAO, that says it all. Sane engagement is impossible.

G.