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Qtec
12-02-2010, 01:27 AM
...NOTHING!


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Senate GOP letter calls for blocking most bills

(AP) 1 day ago

WASHINGTON (AP) <span style='font-size: 20pt'> Senate Republicans intend to block action on virtually all Democratic-backed legislation</span> unrelated to tax cuts and government spending in the current postelection session of Congress, officials said Tuesday, adding that the leadership has quietly collected signatures on a letter pledging to carry out the strategy.

The letter comes after comments by Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell and others in his party that the voters made it clear in the elections they want lawmakers to focus on economic issues.

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Same old BS.

Q

Gayle in MD
12-02-2010, 01:48 AM
The Grand Obstructionist Party. Sitting on their fat a$$e$ in the midst of their own self created economic meltdown.

Not a clue or a mention, of how they will grow the job market, but determined that only the wealthy, are worthy of a tax cuts!

This is truly repulsive. Are American voters really this dumb?

G.

LWW
12-02-2010, 03:18 AM
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/today.parcoltop11.81783.ImageFile.jpg

May God bless them and keep them strong against the coming mud slinging.

LWW

eg8r
12-02-2010, 08:20 AM
What would you think is the most important thing Congress should be working on right now? Should they be distracted by anything else or focus on the most important issue for this short period of time.

eg8r

eg8r
12-02-2010, 08:20 AM
What do you think is the most important issue for Congress to be working on at this time? Should they be distracted with anything else given they only have a few short weeks left to tackle the important issue?

eg8r

pooltchr
12-02-2010, 08:37 AM
They don't seem to have been too concerned with the economy for the last two years. They thought Obamacare was far more urgent.

What makes you think that they would suddenly figure out what they are supposed to be doing?

The dem majority has made it a point to ignore the will of the voting public for the last two years. Don't look for that to change in the next 7 weeks. They are more interested in whether gays are allowed to come out of the military closet, than whether 9.7% of Americans can either find jobs, or at least have emough money to hang on to their homes and feed their families.

Steve

Qtec
12-02-2010, 09:06 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They thought Obamacare was far more urgent. </div></div>

You are so ignorant of the facts its unbelievable.

Read this and LEARN something.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Rising Health Costs Cut Into Wages
Higher Fees Squeeze Employers, Workers

By Michael A. Fletcher
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, March 24, 2008

Recent history has not been kind to working-class Americans, who were down on the economy long before the word recession was uttered.

The main reason: spiraling health-care costs have been whacking away at their wages. Even though workers are producing more, inflation-adjusted median family income has dipped 2.6 percent -- or nearly $1,000 annually since 2000.

Employees and employers are getting squeezed by the price of health care. The struggle to control health costs is viewed as crucial to improving wages and living standards for working Americans. Employers are paying more for health care and other benefits, leaving less money for pay increases. Benefits now devour 30.2 percent of employers' compensation costs, with the remaining money going to wages, the Labor Department reported this month. That is up from 27.4 percent in 2000.

<span style='font-size: 20pt'>"The way health-care costs have soared is unbelievable,"</span> said Katherine Taylor, a vice president for Local 1199 of the Service Employees International Union. "There are people out here making decisions about whether to keep their lights on or buy a prescription."

<span style='font-size: 26pt'>Since 2001, premiums for family health coverage have increased 78 percent,</span> according to a 2007 report by the Kaiser Family Foundation. Premiums averaged $12,106, of which workers paid $3,281, according to the report. </div></div>

...and under Bush wages went DOWN.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Employers report that the unpredictable and often uncontrollable cost of health-care coverage is among their major concerns. Nearly nine out of 10 firms that responded to a National Association of Manufacturers survey last year named the cost of health insurance as one of their top-three worries -- ranking it higher than government regulation, competition from imports or finding qualified employees. </div></div>

Get it now?



<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">WASHINGTON Bolstering the performance of the health care system is one of <span style='font-size: 26pt'>the biggest challenges facing the country,</span> the Federal Reserve chairman, Ben S. Bernanke, said Monday. </div></div>

You know nothing.

Q

eg8r
12-02-2010, 09:39 AM
How exactly does bolstering healthcare trump unemployment? If the people are still going to have to pay out of pocket a ton of money for HC what good does that do them if they don't have a job.

Also, do you think it was a tactic of the Dems to push the tax cuts issue to the very of the year in hopes to pressure the Reps into a bill the Dems would be happy with? I am not asking if it was a good idea or not, just whether or not you think it was done on purpose.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
12-02-2010, 09:44 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What do you think is the most important issue for Congress to be working on at this time? Should they be distracted with anything else given they only have a few short weeks left to tackle the important issue?

eg8r </div></div>

If I have to choose one, it would be ending the Bush Tax cuts for those making over two hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year, and use that money to extend unemployment payments, which do produce jobs.

Only spending, creates jobs.

The vast majority of the top two percent, do not produce anything, incluidng jobs in America, they are in the financial sector, same sector that robbed all of us....and in the Pharmacuetical Industry, also robbed all of us, health care Insurance, virtually all of the corporations who sent in all of the billions of dollars to Republicans during the campaign.


The oil industry, CEO's who have scruffed up worldwide record breaking profits, and defense contractors, same corporate thieves who pushed for an invasion of Iraq, costing us trillions in war profiteering, and overcharges. Those are most of that top two percent, CEO's, who have had a free for all for three decades, while they were outsourcing our jobs, and getting subsidized with OUR TAX DOLLARS!.

The most important thing, of all, is extending unemployment, for those who have been the hardest hit by the Bush Recession, and ending the tax cuts for the top two to three percent, at least for Millionaires and billionaires, the same ceo's who have been bilking the rest of the country for decades, outsourcing, and squeezing more hours out of American workers, paying them less, fewer benefits, and taking more for themselves, AND getting tax cuts, and subsidies!!!!

Do you recall how many economists were talking about the irresponsibility of cutting taxes, during war time, when Bush was in office? They predicted the devastating consequences to our economy, by cutting taxes, during war time. We are still tryng to get out of the expensive wars, that Bush launched, and left us to deal with, in the midst of his economic collapse.

Their percentage of the overall take of American wealth, has grown beyond anything ever seen before, greater than the depression era.

Now if that translated into jobs, we wouldn't be in this mess, would we? Do you know that several years ago, there were government predictions of as much as twelve trillion unaccounted for, tax dollars, owned by that group, in the top two percent, hidden off shore?

That is the group that outsources American jobs, while Republicans subsidize them. End the tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans. NUMBER ONE! EXTEND UNEMPLOYMENT for the suffering...whose jobs were outsourced by the top.

But more could be accomplished as well...if there were bi partisanship.

End Don't ask Dont Tell, it is important, to protect those who serve our country, and the top in the Military and Defense, all say now is the time to do so. Gates McMullen AND Powell, all say so, yet Republicans continue to block it.

Spend more money for hungry children to get healthier food...which cuts obesity costs, in the long run, as our health costs go out of sight, mostly because of Obesity in America, that is the greates cause of higher health costs....leading to more and more dibetic children and adults. It's most costly, because these with diabetes, live for decades, on expensive medicines, and often end up with kidney problems, which have extremely high costs, over a long period of time, on Dyalysis.

Pass the non proliferation Treaty...important for our National Security, according to all of our former Secretaries of State, From Powell, to BAKER! How lo0ng would that take, two hours, an up or down vote????

All could be handled, if Republicans, and a handful of bluedogs, from conservative regions of the country, weren't still being obstructionists...all of it.

If we want to do the things that will help the economy the most, we should end the tax cuts for the top two percent.

Extend unemployment and let the Bush Tax Cuts for the top two percent, expire.

Take another shot at an up or down vote on the public option, which of all things, woud bring down health care costs, the most.

So called Conservatives, have blocked everything that would have most helped the economic problems, we cntinue to face....

G.

eg8r
12-02-2010, 10:00 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If I have to choose one, it would be ending the Bush Tax cuts for those making over two hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year, and use that money to extend unemployment payments, which do produce jobs.

</div></div>Sounds like you agree with the Reps as far as working on tax issues right now. Sure you don't agree with the Reps on the way to handle those tax cuts but you have set that as most important which is what they are saying. Get that taken care of and then move on to the next most important. Time is ticking away quickly and there is not much time to worry about the lesser things.

I like how you added in an example of PayGo but that isn't exactly the way they mentioned it would be used. Do you think there are any other areas where the Government could cut in order to help pay for the unemployment extension?

On these Bush tax cuts, what do you think about small business owners that drop clients and work (think Dentists, Doctors, etc) just to make sure their income is below $250k to make sure they don't get hit with the tax increases?

eg8r

Qtec
12-02-2010, 10:14 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> What would you think is the most important thing Congress should be working on right now? Should they be distracted by anything else or focus on the most important issue for this short period of time.

eg8r </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How exactly does bolstering healthcare trump unemployment? </div></div>

Am I a mind reader? You never said unemployment. I thought the GOP main objective was the deficit!


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Also, do you think it was a tactic of the Dems to push the tax cuts issue </div></div>

What issue? The tax cuts were set to expire in 2011, <span style='font-size: 20pt'>that was the deal! </span>

BTW, Cheney passed the bill with the deciding vote, 51-50. No 60 majority needed in those days.

It wasn't an issue until the GOP went back on their word and started calling the deal they agreed to a tax cut. Their BS doesn't fool me. It does you tho.

Q

pooltchr
12-02-2010, 10:39 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Only spending, creates jobs.

G. </div></div>

Close, but not quite. Government spending only creates government supported jobs, which are funded by tax dollars.

The only jobs that actually help the economy are those created in the private sector. So government spending may create some jobs, but does nothing for the overall economy.

The only way to get the economy back on track is to expande private business and create jobs in the private sector.

Now, how do you think the government can best help those businesses expand and create more jobs? Do you really think raising their taxes is going to encourage them to hire more people?

Steve

Gayle in MD
12-02-2010, 11:09 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If I have to choose one, it would be ending the Bush Tax cuts for those making over two hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year, and use that money to extend unemployment payments, which do produce jobs.

</div></div>Sounds like you agree with the Reps as far as working on tax issues right now.

<span style="color: #CC0000">Ed, the Stark Treaty, would take exactly two hours, to pass.

My point, is that it doesn't have to be an either or decision. You were asking me what I have HAVE to choose, but there is no reason why, we should have to choose.

The Treay, Don't Ask Don't Tell, Taxes, Unemployment extension, and another up or down vote for the public option, could all be handled in three days.

Republicans are making it an either or, by saying, either give us the tax breaks for the rich, or we won't play.

They're basically hanging the needy, the Middle Class, unemployed, through no fault of of their own, out to dry, so that they, Republicans, can fight for more tax breaks for Millionaires, and billionaires, who don't need it, don't use it for job creations, and don't ever pay their fair share of taxes, anyway, they are the Rep8ublicans own special interest group....while accusing Democratics of doing exactly what they are in fact doing. </span>

Sure you don't agree with the Reps on the way to handle those tax cuts but you have set that as most important which is what they are saying. Get that taken care of and then move on to the next most important. Time is ticking away quickly and there is not much time to worry about the lesser things.

<span style="color: #990000">Actually, Ed, my true thoughts at this point, America is gone.

Republicans will now go back to the same destruction of our country, which they nearly achieved through their last majority....

I suppose, if Obama doesn't get re-elected, or if the Dems lose the Senate, the Republicans will have us in a war with Iran, and North Korea, in no time.

The Military Republican Congressional Industrial Complex, will eat up whatever little hope there is left for progress through diplomacy, for peace, in the interest of more war profiteerng. That't what they do best, scare people, so they can make more money off killing people.

I suppose, those of us who survive their attacks on the environment, and don't die of cancer, and other serious diseases, due to it, will soon be blown away in a Nuke Attack, since republicans are aiming to block progress in that arena, also, of finding and destroying loose nukes...

I have very little hope, having witnessed the broad electorate ingorance of the last election, and the incredible power of the Jewish owned RW media, same group who drives our foreign policy, and Wall Street.... </span>

I like how you added in an example of PayGo but that isn't exactly the way they mentioned it would be used. Do you think there are any other areas where the Government could cut in order to help pay for the unemployment extension?

<span style="color: #990000">Yes, I think we should get the hell out of the Middle East, and stay out.

Cut to the bone, defense spending, and spend that money to produce American leadership in technology strides, education, for health solutions to disease prevention, remove all barriers to stem cell research, and invest in technology for clean energy, which would all go a long way in producing jobs, that would be a plus for the world, instead of a total waste of blood and treasu, which is the only thing that spending money on wars, accomplishes

I would also take the words off the Statue of Liberty, since nobody means them anymore, and change them over to, "If your poor, downtrodden and hungry, go home. </span>

On these Bush tax cuts, what do you think about small business owners that drop clients and work (think Dentists, Doctors, etc) just to make sure their income is below $250k to make sure they don't get hit with the tax increases?

eg8r </div></div>

<span style="color: #990000">I think they're pigs, what do you think about them? Are they any better than those who work the system in other ways?

It's time to realize that creative accounting isn't only killing us on Wall street, it's killing us on every corporate level, including in government.

We need to go back to strict accounting methods, and get rid of loopholes, altogether.

We need to offer tax advantages ONLY to those who protect our environment, improve American education, and health, and protect, and create American Jobs, instead of rewarding and protecting all of the corporations which do just the opposite, which, IMO, is the Republican policy, in a nutshell, for decades.

We need to spend more on education, technology, and finally get a public option for Health Care, which would bring down HC costs, and prevent Health Insurance Companies, from gougeing the whole country.

We need strict laws, requiring mandatory jail time, and a death sentence, for any corporations who sell us filthy food, pollute the environment, and hire illegal aliens under the table.


You can see why I don't vote for Republicans, right? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

I am against every single thing they do. When it comes to environmental protection, Republicans have protected the worst offenders, for thirty-five years.

When it comes to the environment, IMO, they have killed more people around the world with their policies FOR pollution, then all of the people they have killed in all of the wars America has ever fought....they have used fear, to make money off killing on the battlefield, and justify stealing resources from other nations, but they have killed far many more with their protection of polluting corporations, far more.

G.


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eg8r
12-02-2010, 12:55 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Treay, Don't Ask Don't Tell, Taxes, Unemployment extension, and another up or down vote for the public option, could all be handled in three days.

</div></div>Only if one side lays down and gives the other whatever they want. The Dems aren't backing down and neither are the Reps. However even if it would only take three days then pick one and get started. No reason to jump on all of them at once. We have already seen that when they put their minds solely on one thing they still screw it up (just look at the HC bill) so why further fragment things by multi-tasking? They can't do one thing well.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I suppose, if Obama doesn't get re-elected, or if the Dems lose the Senate, the Republicans will have us in a war with Iran, and North Korea, in no time.

</div></div>I prefer fighting them over there instead of over here.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Cut to the bone, defense spending, and spend that money to produce American leadership in technology strides, education, for health solutions to disease prevention, remove all barriers to stem cell research, and invest in technology for clean energy, which would all go a long way in producing jobs, that would be a plus for the world, instead of a total waste of blood and treasu, which is the only thing that spending money on wars, accomplishes

</div></div>So it looks like what you are purposing is that we quit funding Defense (bare bones), dismantle all nuclear war heads, trust Iran and North Korea to do the right thing, and spend spend spend. I did not see any place where you would cut any other federal funding.

You mentioned spending more money on Education. Can you tell me what "more money" will do for education that the previous $500 billion could not accomplish in the past 3 decades as the US continued its downward spiral?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think they're pigs, what do you think about them?</div></div>I guess you are aiming this at the last question I asked about the small business owners. Why do you think they are pigs for doing what is financially best for their own family? All they are doing is making sure they are not penalized for overachieving. I personally think it is probably a good decision considering the amount of work they actually put in. On average these people work about 60-70 hours a week doing jobs that are much more stressful than anything you or I have ever done. Their families will probably like seeing them at home more often.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's time to realize that creative accounting isn't only killing us on Wall street, it's killing us on every corporate level, including in government.

</div></div>Then why weren't you harping on the Dem congress to reduce the tax law, remove all the loopholes? They were able to strong arm HC down our throats why couldn't they use that same might to make the tax law much simpler? This isn't about "accounting methods" it is about poor tax law. The accountants are only doing what the US government allows them.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We need to offer tax advantages ONLY to those who protect our environment, improve American education, and health, and protect, and create American Jobs, instead of rewarding and protecting all of the corporations which do just the opposite, which, IMO, is the Republican policy, in a nutshell, for decades.

</div></div>What makes one American better than another? Why not be fair straight across the board?

All you have really said so far is that you want to put the US at a disadvantage in defending itself and spend all our money. I did not see anywhere that you mention reducing spending on ANYTHING other than defense nor focus on digging us out of the hole of debt we are in.

As far as spending more money on the evironmental stuff all you are suggesting is giving government funds to a different set of super-rich evil corporations that only care about increasing profit share. This is not spreading the wealth to the little guys because these companies will hoard the money exactly the same way other companies do. If you disagree then show us an example of one evironmental giant that will not take any tax breaks or loopholes and pay out every single penny owed to the government. This company would need to make sure they did not raise the price of goods or services at any time in their history if taxes were ever increased, they should consume that increase for the betterment of the poor in this country that need that money more than the environmental giants.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
12-02-2010, 03:07 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Treay, Don't Ask Don't Tell, Taxes, Unemployment extension, and another up or down vote for the public option, could all be handled in three days.

</div></div>Only if one side lays down and gives the other whatever they want. The Dems aren't backing down and neither are the Reps. However even if it would only take three days then pick one and get started. No reason to jump on all of them at once. We have already seen that when they put their minds solely on one thing they still screw it up (just look at the HC bill) so why further fragment things by multi-tasking? They can't do one thing well.
<span style="color: #CC0000">All of the above, is BS, and nothing more than RW lies. </span>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I suppose, if Obama doesn't get re-elected, or if the Dems lose the Senate, the Republicans will have us in a war with Iran, and North Korea, in no time.

</div></div>I prefer fighting them over there instead of over here.

<span style="color: #CC0000">You won't have to worry about ighting anywhere, Ed., you won't be around, nor will any Americans.... </span>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Cut to the bone, defense spending, and spend that money to produce American leadership in technology strides, education, for health solutions to disease prevention, remove all barriers to stem cell research, and invest in technology for clean energy, which would all go a long way in producing jobs, that would be a plus for the world, instead of a total waste of blood and treasue, which is the only thing that spending money on wars, accomplishes

</div></div>So it looks like what you are purposing is that we quit funding Defense (bare bones), dismantle all nuclear war heads, trust Iran and North Korea to do the right thing, and spend spend spend. I did not see any place where you would cut any other federal funding.

<span style="color: #CC0000">No, I said cut defense spending, which is where all the real wste is, and the biggest drain on everything else.

I believe in clandestine operations, but with Republicans around, it's harder to get those people, because the Bush Administration outed them. </span>

You mentioned spending more money on Education. Can you tell me what "more money" will do for education that the previous $500 billion could not accomplish in the past 3 decades as the US continued its downward spiral?

<span style="color: #990000">Oh sure, I forgot to mention it, get rid of NCLB, which deatroyed education...let teachers go back to teaching, and strengthen their unions, which is a proven factor in a better educational system.

Spend more money in paying co9llege, for our brightest students, and spend more money in Head start, which was a great program...and which Reagan defunded. </span>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think they're pigs, what do you think about them?</div></div>I guess you are aiming this at the last question I asked about the small business owners.

<span style="color: #CC0000">No, I'm aiming it at corporations who outsource jobs, polloute the environment, stead our retirement money on Wall Street, practice unethical business, like predatory lenders did, make us sick fro9m their pollution, pay scientists to lie to us, lie us into wars, for corporate War profiteers, drop us after we have paid thousand into medicalo insurance. sell us drugs, that we don't need and would be better off not taking anyway, and overaharging us...doing away with subsidies for corporate polluters, and CEO;s hiding their money off shore...

I think I've made it more than clear...that level are not the jobs producers. Jobs come from DEMAND, by consumers, NOT from unfinanced tax cuts!!!!

Bush's tax cuts put us into the debt hole, and you folks, want more of them....Crazy!</span>



Why do you think they are pigs for doing what is financially best for their own family? All they are doing is making sure they are not penalized for overachieving.

<span style="color: #CC0000">ha ha ha, if only! They're crooks, Ed. Were you asleep during the Wall street Crash????</span>

I personally think it is probably a good decision considering the amount of work they actually put in. On average these people work about 60-70 hours a week doing jobs that are much more stressful than anything you or I have ever done.

<span style="color: #990000">Yeah, right, on the Golf Course, and flying in their Private Jets, awe, the poor multi million and multi billion aires.

They are the CEO's who robbed the rest of the country, and dstroyed America...I've given you their description...read it again. </span>
Their families will probably like seeing them at home more often.

<span style="color: #CC0000">I couldn't care less about their families. </span>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's time to realize that creative accounting isn't only killing us on Wall street, it's killing us on every corporate level, including in government.

</div></div>Then why weren't you harping on the Dem congress to reduce the tax law, remove all the loopholes?
<span style="color: #CC0000">They couldn't, Ed. The law was set to expire for good reasons, and now, Republicans are distorting that. Tax cuts for the wealthy do not create jobs! Period. It's a proven fact.</span>
They were able to strong arm HC down our throats why couldn't they use that same might to make the tax law much simpler? This isn't about "accounting methods" it is about poor tax law. The accountants are only doing what the US government allows them.

<span style="color: #990000">If we were on the gold standard, they couldn't get away with any of it.... </span>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We need to offer tax advantages ONLY to those who protect our environment, improve American education, and health, and protect, and create American Jobs, instead of rewarding and protecting all of the corporations which do just the opposite, which, IMO, is the Republican policy, in a nutshell, for decades.

</div></div>What makes one American better than another? Why not be fair straight across the board?

All you have really said so far is that you want to put the US at a disadvantage in defending itself and spend all our money.

<span style="color: #990000">Not at all. We have fr too many people in Defnese, way too many, and way too much waste.

</span>


I did not see anywhere that you mention reducing spending on ANYTHING other than defense nor focus on digging us out of the hole of debt we are in.

<span style="color: #990000">Then you didn't read it very well. If we just stopped subsidizing to corporations who pollute, and/pr outsource jobs, and/or hide their money off shore, we'd save loads of money, doing that alone! And create more jobs. </span>
As far as spending more money on the evironmental stuff all you are suggesting is giving government funds to a different set of super-rich evil corporations that only care about increasing profit share. This is not spreading the wealth to the little guys because these companies will hoard the money exactly the same way other companies do. If you disagree then show us an example of one evironmental giant that will not take any tax breaks or loopholes and pay out every single penny owed to the government. This company would need to make sure they did not raise the price of goods or services at any time in their history if taxes were ever increased, they should consume that increase for the betterment of the poor in this country that need that money more than the environmental giants.

<span style="color: #CC0000">What environmental giants? Their are none. The Giants are in Pharmaceuticals, Oil, Coal, Farming, health insurance, Technology, Medicine, but mostly Wall Street, the financial industry, which produced zilch!

Appropriate Regulations, the public option, cap and trade, tax cuts for corporations that make our air and water cleaner, make us healthier, and safer from disease, and subsidies for conservation of energy...Jjobs that won't be outsourced.

G. </span>

eg8r </div></div>

eg8r
12-02-2010, 03:46 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">All of the above, is BS, and nothing more than RW lies.
</div></div>The funny thing is that your posts are the exact same but with the LW slant.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Oh sure, I forgot to mention it, get rid of NCLB, which deatroyed education...let teachers go back to teaching, and strengthen their unions, which is a proven factor in a better educational system.

</div></div>This was not working either which is what brought about NCLB.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Spend more money in paying co9llege, for our brightest students, and spend more money in Head start, which was a great program...and which Reagan defunded.
</div></div>What about all those poor kids q is trying to save that just don't get the same opportunities as the rich white kids? It isn't their fault they quit school and resort to crime is it? Why don't they get money for college?

I am being facetious here because I completely disagree with q's position and I actually like the idea of paying for college even though it completely oversteps the boundaries of our Constitution. My reasoning is that if we are going to pay for school then why not pay for all of it? As of right now the state of Florida covers 50% of the tuition anyways, and most students are only paying for about 30% of the actual state university tuition.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No, I'm aiming it at corporations who outsource jobs, polloute the environment, stead our retirement money on Wall Street, practice unethical business, like predatory lenders did, make us sick fro9m their pollution, pay scientists to lie to us, lie us into wars, for corporate War profiteers, drop us after we have paid thousand into medicalo insurance. sell us drugs, that we don't need and would be better off not taking anyway, and overaharging us...doing away with subsidies for corporate polluters, and CEO;s hiding their money off shore...

</div></div>Without going back to look, I don't think that was my question so I guess just keep ignoring my question.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ha ha ha, if only! They're crooks, Ed. Were you asleep during the Wall street Crash????

</div></div>If you re-read my response you will see that I was referring to the small business owners who run this country.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yeah, right, on the Golf Course, and flying in their Private Jets, awe, the poor multi million and multi billion aires.

They are the CEO's who robbed the rest of the country, and dstroyed America...I've given you their description...read it again.
</div></div>I don't think you really have a grip on who the small business owners of this country really are if you think they are multi-million and multi-billionaires. However maybe some of them like to ride around on their boats right. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They couldn't, Ed. The law was set to expire for good reasons, and now, Republicans are distorting that. Tax cuts for the wealthy do not create jobs! Period. It's a proven fact.
</div></div>I am talking about tax law in general. Wasn't it last year or the year before when a couple thousand new pages of tax law went into effect? I am not talking about these Bush tax cuts.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not at all. We have fr too many people in Defnese, way too many, and way too much waste.

</div></div>How many are there now and what would be an acceptable amount?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Then you didn't read it very well. If we just stopped subsidizing to corporations who pollute, and/pr outsource jobs, and/or hide their money off shore, we'd save loads of money, doing that alone! And create more jobs.
</div></div>All you mentioned was reducing defense spending. What other government spending would you like to eliminate?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What environmental giants? Their are none.</div></div>You think all the environmental companies are just start ups waiting for the big break from the government? You don't think once the government money chest is opened some won't get enormous in size and begin to mimic what we are already dealing with now in other industries?

eg8r

pooltchr
12-02-2010, 04:25 PM
I would bet there are probably not 100 billionaires in the US....but that wouldn't matter to Gayle when she thinks she is making a point.

Steve

LWW
12-02-2010, 05:03 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would bet there are probably not 100 billionaires in the US....but that wouldn't matter to Gayle when she thinks she is making a point.

Steve </div></div>

According to Forbes:

- There are 403 US billionaires.

- The number of billionaires has increased by over 25% under the Obama regime.

- The average billionaires net worth has increased by 50% under the Obama regime.

- Billionaires pay essentially zero income tax as they are investors and not employees.

- If we levied an additional one billion dollar tax against all 403 US billionaires, we could balance the federal budget for 4 calendar months ... assuming congress didn't spend the money.

That pretty much blows away everything Gee/Aitch/Snoopy/Stretchandfetchit claim.

But ... they are simply parroting the party line and apparently have no real concept of what any of this actually means.

FACTS (http://www.rferl.org/content/Forbes_Rich_List_Number_Of_New_Billionaires_Reflec ts_Global_Recovery/1980413.html) ... they are such stubborn things.

LWW