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llotter
12-04-2010, 09:21 AM
Now, when the evidence is in, the Washington Post tries to set the record straight in today's editorial but it will do little to undo years of lying about this issue. This is a prime example of how the Left keep retelling the same lies for political reasons even as the truth is well known.

I congratulate the Post for making the attempt but their history of editorials and news items is one based on perpetuating a lie. The blatant bias of the MSM hides the plain truth from their own minds and indoctrinates their readers into that same bias.

A careful reading of the editorial will show exactly what I mean and note how Plame continues to represent this travesty as the truth. Has the fame and fortune heaped on the Wilson's so corrupted them that the country be damned? She must have been some real loyal CIA operative.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/03/AR2010120306298.html

LWW
12-04-2010, 09:27 AM
What's amazing is that the far left sees the ultimate scandal in someone not outing someone who wasn't a covert agent ... but sees an investigation of a sitting POTUS for perjury, which he plead guilty to and was disbarred for in a plea deal at the end of his tenure, as being a non issue.

LWW

Gayle in MD
12-04-2010, 10:58 AM
LMAO! You post an editorial, from an obvious RW READER of the Washington post, and portray it as anything at all of any value?

Grow up. This post of yours is a total joke. Reminds mr of the time you presented on opi9nion, as a mandate by the entire Washington post!

We have the word of the special Federal Prossecutor, against your silly, irrelevant, incorrect desperate attempt to rewrite history...

Who wrote it, Trick Palin?

BWA HA HA HA...
G.

From the Pincus article:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As reporters who covered the Plame CIA leak affair, as it came to be known, we compared the reality of what unfolded in Washington in that era against the events that the screenwriters and director of "Fair Game" boiled into their narrative.<span style='font-size: 17pt'> The movie holds up as a thoroughly researched and essentially accurate account</span> -- albeit with caveats. It's told from the point of view of Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame Wilson, upon whose separate memoirs the script is based. The CIA and the Bush White House will clearly disagree with its telling of events.

But all politics aside, "Fair Game's" emotional core is how the leak shook the couple's marriage, and the characters portrayed by Penn and Watts will resonate with anyone who knows the real figures. Valerie Plame Wilson could not by law talk to screenwriters about her covert career -- <span style='font-size: 20pt'>"she would never betray the agency," director Douglas Liman said -- so her part of the story had to be constructed from other sources, including former intelligence officers. Aware that he was dealing with "people trained in subterfuge," Liman said he is confident he still captured the classified activities accurately. </span> </div></div>

<span style="color: #990000"><span style='font-size: 20pt'>Anyone who is still out there denying MS. Plame's covert SECRET status, after that Republican Bush/Rove/Cheney myth has been exposed over and over, BY THE CIA DIRECTOR TO THE SENATE INVESTIAGTING COMMITTE ON THE OUTING WHO CLEARLY STATED HER COVERT, SECRET STATUS, AS A WMD EXPERT, IS PROVING THEIR AUTOMATIC RW FACT FILTER AND SICK PSYCHOLOGICAL ILLNESS!</span> </span>

pooltchr
12-04-2010, 02:51 PM
If it isn't delivered on the party spoon, it must be wrong!

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Steve

llotter
12-04-2010, 07:34 PM
Yes, I know it sounds like it was written by a right winger because it rings of the truth but it was Post's editorial staff that penned this devastating critique of "Fair Game" but the 'lie will be heard around the world before this truth gets its boots on' to paraphrase Mark Twain.

Qtec
12-04-2010, 10:29 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LMAO! You post an editorial, from an obvious RW READER of the Washington post, and portray it as anything at all of any value? </div></div>

Its called desperation.

Q

Gayle in MD
12-05-2010, 02:45 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes, I know it sounds like it was written by a right winger because it rings of the truth but it was Post's editorial staff that penned this devastating critique of "Fair Game" but the 'lie will be heard around the world before this truth gets its boots on' to paraphrase Mark Twain. </div></div>

Editorial Staff? Apparently you don't know what the Editorial Staff does?

There is no signature. Now where do you think it came from????

Wake up!

Valarie Plame was a covert, Secret CIA NOC Agent who specialized in WMD, and served in foreign service. the NOC designation means that those folks serve, under threat and danger, without protection. The Directro of the CIA, wrote to the Senate, confirming her status at the time of the Bush/Cheney/Rove/Libby outing of Valarie Plame.

President Obama was born in the USA, and is an American citizen.

The Constitution Of the United States Of America, provides for a Separation Of Church and State.

George Bush lied America into a war with Iraq, attacked and invaded a country which never attack the USA....

The Bush Administration committed an organized act of TREASON, when they lied the country into war, AND when they illegally spied on AMericans, AND when they outed Valarie Plame.

Facts are facts.




G.

Qtec
12-05-2010, 02:56 AM
The question is, what had Palme to do with the Bush Admin telling lies?

Nothing.

Wilson made his report.
They ignored it because it didn't fit in with the fairy story they were trying to sell to the public.
They couldn't attack him because he had an impeccable reputation, the hero of Iran so they found a weak spot, his wife.
They changed the story from 'Wilson's report ' to the outing his wife and trying to discredit him through her - a loyal servant for 20/30 years!

The whole episode can be summed up in one sentence.

The Bush Admin got caught in a lie and did everything they could to hide the truth from the American people.
Q

Gayle in MD
12-05-2010, 03:36 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Bush Admin got caught in a lie and did everything they could to hide the truth from the American people.
Q </div></div>


Absolutely. The Special Prosecutor had the actual NYT article upon which Cheney had written, right in the margin of the Joe Wilson Op-Ed, "Did his wife send him on a jaunt?" along withh other suggestions to Libby, as to how he should approach the administratons tactics in dealing with the Joe Wilson story. those notes, in Cheney's hand, were exactly an outline for what they were about to leak.

They used her CIA position to try to make it look like some flunky secretary, just gave her husband a chance to travel.

The proof that they lied to the American Public, and the world, was in their reluctant eventual agreement to remove those sixteen words from the State Of The Union Address, proof they had lied.

CIA later went public with the facts, that they had told the Administration all along, that the Niger story, was not true, don't use it. They used it anyway. Then they had to remove it.

Plame's identity was just part of their effort to slander Wilson, and dilute the entire purpose of his trip, his credibility and his findings.

But, during the investigation, it was clear, Plame's boss had asked her to ask Joe, to make the trip to Niger, to check the story about Saddam trying to get Yellow Cake. He was a logical choice. He knew everyone there, he had been a former Abmassador, appointed by Bush's father, IIRC!


Under oath, testimony, for a Senate Investigating Committee, exposed the Administration's lies, and the truth. Saddam had not been trying to get Yellow Cake, from Niger.

LWW
12-05-2010, 06:05 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LMAO! You post an editorial, from an obvious RW READER of the Washington post, and portray it as anything at all of any value? </div></div>

Its called desperation.

Q </div></div>

Yes ... calling the WP a RW source in a quite lame effort to prop up an absolute myth is quite the desperate act.

Don't you feel better already having rected the spoon.

LWW

LWW
12-05-2010, 06:29 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="color: #990000"><span style='font-size: 20pt'>Anyone who is still out there denying MS. Plame's covert SECRET status, after that Republican Bush/Rove/Cheney myth has been exposed over and over, BY THE CIA DIRECTOR TO THE SENATE INVESTIAGTING COMMITTE ON THE OUTING WHO CLEARLY STATED HER COVERT, SECRET STATUS, AS A WMD EXPERT, IS PROVING THEIR AUTOMATIC RW FACT FILTER AND SICK PSYCHOLOGICAL ILLNESS!</span> </span> </div></div>

Got a link to support your myth?

Of course you don't.

But, FACTS! They are such stubborn things. (http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2007/6/1/100750.shtml)

Those facts clearly show that:

- The Senate Select Intelligence Committee found Plame to be lying on multiple instances.

- The Senate Select Intelligence Committee found Wilson to be lying on multiple instances.

- The Senate Select Intelligence Committee found the yellow cake claims to be credible.

- The Senate Select Intelligence Committee found that Plame was not a covert agent.

- Had American Pravda properly reported the story, this myth would have died long ago.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">WASHINGTON -- In a rare rebuke of a public official by name, <span style='font-size: 11pt'>the Senate Select Intelligence Committee has issued a scathing report blasting former Ambassador Joseph Wilson IV.</span>

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>The report claims Wilson misled the public and the intelligence committee about his trip to Niger in 2002 on behalf of the CIA to investigate claims that Iraq was seeking to purchase uranium in Africa.</span>

Best known as the husband of former CIA officer Valerie Plame, Ambassador Wilson was catapulted to the limelight after he published an Op-Ed in The New York Times on July 6, 2003, that accused the Bush administration of manipulating intelligence on Iraq to make the case for war.

In his New York Times article, Wilson said that in February 2002 he was asked by the Central Intelligence Agency to travel to Niger to investigate "a particular intelligence report" that documented the sale of uranium to Iraq by the Niger government.

The CIA wanted him to "check out the story so they could provide a response to the vice president's office," after Vice President Dick Cheney had raised questions about the purported uranium deals, he wrote.

Once he arrived in Niger's capital, Niamey, Wilson says he met with U.S. Ambassador Barbro Owens-Kirkpatrick, then "spent the next eight days drinking sweet mint tea" and meeting with former government officials and others involved in the uranium business. "It did not take long to conclude that it was highly doubtful that any such transaction had ever taken place."

And that is what he reported back to the CIA and to the State Department African Affairs Bureau, Wilson wrote. <span style='font-size: 14pt'>But according to the Senate Intelligence Committee investigation, released last Friday, much of what Wilson wrote in the article, and has said since, about the trip "is not true."</span>

Wilson wrote to the committee in July 2004 when they released an exhaustive investigation into the Niger uranium story that included the finding that he had been sent to Niger at the suggestion of his wife. Wilson claimed that was "not true."

At the time, the Committee did not release the full text of <span style='font-size: 14pt'>the e-mail sent by Valerie Plame on Wilson to her superior that recommended him for the job</span>, "thinking it was unnecessary in light of the other evidence" they had made public.

But now, "considering the controversy surrounding this document," the Senate committee decided to make the full text available to the public. [<span style='font-size: 14pt'>b]The Valerie Plame e-mail shows without any doubt that she recommended her husband for the mission in Niger.[/b]</span>

After recounting an earlier fact-finding mission he had carried out in Niger for the Agency, as well as his good contacts "with both the [prime minister] and the former minister of mines," she concluded by saying that her husband "may be in a position to assist. Therefore, request your thoughts on what, if anything to pursue here."

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>In sworn testimony before the House committee on Oversight and Government Reform in March of this year, however, Plame denied categorically that she had suggested her husband's name. "I did not recommend him. I did not suggest him," she said.

It was Valerie Plame's recommendation for the mission that caught the eye of Vice President Dick Cheney when Wilson's Op-Ed first appeared and ultimately led to the Special Counsel investigation into how her name — supposedly classified — was "leaked" to the press.</span>

<span style='font-size: 17pt'>The committee found that internal intelligence community notes of meetings in which Valerie Plame participated "did not mark her name with a (C) as would be required to indicate that her association with the CIA was classified," as both Plame and her husband have said. These aren't the only instances where Wilson's account did not square with the facts, the senators found.</span>

Wilson has said in his book and in numerous public appearances that reports he reviewed from the U.S. ambassador to Niger, Barbro Owens-Kirkpatrick, "indicated that there was nothing to the Niger-Iraq uranium story . . . <span style='font-size: 14pt'>This too is untrue," the committee found. On the contrary, Owens-Kirkpatrick wrote a cable to the State Department which said that the initial CIA reporting of a Niger-Iraq uranium deal "provides sufficient details to warrant another hard look at Niger's uranium sales."</span>

Although Nigerien officials insisted in meetings with the Americans that no uranium would be sold to rogue nations, <span style='font-size: 11pt'>"we should not dismiss out of hand the possibility that some scheme could be, or has been, underway to supply Iraq with yellowcake from here,"</span> she wrote.

<span style='font-size: 26pt'>Perhaps the most damning conclusion of the Senate report has been known for nearly three years, but has remained classified until now. In the initial July 2004 report, the Senate committee reported that the intelligence community "used or cleared the Niger-Iraq uranium intelligence fifteen times before the President's State of the Union address and four times after, saying in several papers that Iraq was ‘vigorously pursuing uranium from Africa.'"</span>

Despite that finding, Democrats led by Michigan Sen. Carl Levin blasted President Bush for the "16 words" in the January 2003 speech that described Iraq's efforts to acquire uranium from Africa, calling them an effort to "cherry-pick" intelligence and to "mislead" the country and the world in a "rush to war."

In fact, the U.S. intelligence community continued to believe in the veracity of the Niger uranium story for many months after the speech, and didn't call back its original reporting until June 2003 — well after the liberation of Iraq.</div></div>

LWW

Qtec
12-05-2010, 06:29 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Bush Admin got caught in a lie and did everything they could to hide the truth from the American people.
Q </div></div>

LWW
12-05-2010, 06:33 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Bush Admin got caught in a lie and did everything they could to hide the truth from the American people.
Q </div></div> </div></div>

So ... the Senate Select Intelligence Committee which Gee states was tellingh the truth was actually not telling the truth, and that is because I bothered to read what the report said and she/you didn't?

Shrewd logic there Snoopy.

LWW

Gayle in MD
12-05-2010, 07:34 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Bush Admin got caught in a lie and did everything they could to hide the truth from the American people.
Q </div></div> </div></div>

I watched the entire investigation.

Plame was backed up by the CIA, entirely.

Wilson's story was also compltely documented.

They even fouund the fake Niger/British Memo, on the stolen staionary, with the stolen Niger seal, traced back to the group of Italian thugs, in the business of creating and selling fakce documentation to other countries.

There has NEVER been any documennted factual information, to disprove ANY of Joe, or Valarie Wilson's statements.

CIA Whistle blowers testified that they warned the administration not to use the fake documenntation, from the stolen stationary, and exposed british memo followed, by top British officials, backing the whole thing up:

"The administration is fitting the intel, to their policy."

Even the British investigation on 9/11, is exposed by British news sources, as leaving ouut evidence, and intelligence, that would expose embarrassing information, against the Bush Administration.

There was an obvious whitewash in the (/!! investigation, as well.

However, a Federal GRand Jury, and a Federal Prosecutor, knows more than anyone else on this entire fiasco by the Bush administration, each clearly stating,

"A cloud remains over the Vice President's office."

Scooter Libby lied to protect Cheney and Bush.

Scooter Libby lied to Federal agents. He was convicted, by a Federal GRand Jury, and the judges statements, were veryy clear, and suggested that more would have been convicted, had Libby not lied to muddy up the case.

They outed her, they knew she was covert, and they did so over anger at Wilson, exposing their lies, period!

There is no way to change the findings of a Federal Grand Jury, nor the sentencing of a Federal Judge, with nothing to shoot it down except the usual pointless, incorrect, cherry picked,
undocumented, RW BS.


These righties, are so full of Total BS, it's sad....

LWW
12-05-2010, 07:53 AM
Yet you have not a single link to any senate testimony to back any of this blather up ... and, no you didn't watch the entire hearings because tyhe hearings were closed door and classified at the time.

Now ... you claimed that the "THE SENATE INVESTIGATING COMMITTE ON THE OUTING WHO CLEARLY STATED HER COVERT, SECRET STATUS" and I've shown that it clearly didn't.

You claimed the committee agreed with Plame/Wilson. I've shown that it didn't ... and in fact found them to be liars.

You claimed to watch the hearings ... I've shown they were classified at the time.

Go HERE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_C._Wilson) and then click on footnote number 32. That will take you to a PDF of the committee's report.

BTW ... we both know that you won't do that.

If you did you would find that in THIS (http://intelligence.senate.gov/108301.pdf) senate intelligence report :

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In an interview with Committee staff, the former ambassador [Wilson] was able to provide more information about the meeting between former [Nigerien] Prime Minister Mayaki and the Iraqi delegation. … [Wilson] said that Mayaki did meet with the Iraqi delegation but never discussed what was meant by [the two countries] "expanding commercial relations" . … [Wilson] said that because Mayaki was wary of discussing any trade issues with a country under United Nations (UN) sanctions, he made a successful effort to steer the conversation away from a discussion of trade with the Iraqi delegation. </div></div>

IOW ... when under oath before the committee, and behind closed doors, Wilson contradicted the lies in his book.

Let's face the truth ... you have no interest in the truth. The party spoon fed you the lie you wanted to hear and to you that's the end of it.

You have practiced doublethink to the point that you appear convinced that you watched hearings that were never televised.

The bottom line is that you have nothing at all to back up your belief in this myth other than your dogged refusal to admit that the party can spin you like a top ... and furthermore that you know this and are a willing participant in your own deception.

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[b]<span style='font-size: 20pt'>I saw it! </span><span style='font-size: 26pt'>I REALLY REALLY SAW IT!</span>

LWW

Gayle in MD
12-05-2010, 08:11 AM
Here you go, educate yourself. There are even more than this page full of C-span videos on the Plame Outing, by the Bush Administration.

These people testified under oath.

If any of them had lied, they wouuld have been prosecuted.

Also you provide no link to this ridiculous story that indicates who wrote it.

The Editorial Staff's job is usually to chose which editorials, from the public, will be printed.

G.



http://www.c-span.org/search.aspx?For=Valarie%20Plame

LWW
12-05-2010, 09:11 AM
Since you insist ... let the beat down with the facts continue.

HERE IS MORE FROM THE REPORT! (http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/library/congress/2004_rpt/iraq-wmd-intell_chapter2-b.htm)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">B. Former Ambassador
( )Officials from the CIA's DO Counterproliferation Division (CPD) told Committee staff that in response to questions from the Vice President's Office and the Departments of State and Defense on the alleged Iraq-Niger uranium deal, CPD officials discussed ways to obtain additional information. who could make immediate inquiries into the reporting, CPD decided to contact a former ambassador to Gabon who had a posting early in his career in Niger.

( ) Some CPD officials could not recall how the office decided to contact the former ambassador, however, interviews and documents provided to the Committee indicate that his wife, a CPD employee, suggested his name for the trip. The CPD reports officer told Committee staff that the former ambassador's wife "offered up his name" and a memorandum to the Deputy Chief of the CPD on February 12, 2002, from the former ambassador's wife says, "my husband has good relations with both the PM [prime minister] and the former Minister of Mines (not to mention lots of French contacts), both of whom could possibly shed light on this sort of activity." This was just one day before CPD sent a cable DELETED requesting concurrence with CPD's idea to send the former ambassador to Niger and requesting any additional information from the foreign government service on their uranium reports. The former ambassador's wife told Committee staff that when CPD decided it would like to send the former ambassador to Niger, she approached her husband on behalf of the CIA and told him "there's this crazy report" on a purported deal for Niger to sell uranium to Iraq. ...

(U) On February 18, 2002, the embassy in Niger disseminated a cable which reported that the alleged Iraq-Niger uranium deal "provides sufficient detail to warrant another hard look at Niger's uranium sales. The names of GON [government of Niger] officials cited in the report track closely with those we know to be in those, or closely-related positions. However, the purported 4,000-ton annual production listed is fully 1,000 tons more than the mining companies claim to have produced in 2001." The report indicated that the ambassador had met with the Nigerien Foreign Minister to ask for an unequivocal assurance that Niger had stuck to its commitment not to sell uranium to rogue states. The cable also noted that in September 2001 the Nigerien Prime Minister had told embassy personnel that there were buyers like Iraq who would pay more for Niger's uranium than France, but the Prime Minister added, "of course Niger cannot sell to them." The cable concluded that despite previous assurances from Nigerien officials that no uranium would be sold to rogue nations, "we should not dismiss out of hand the possibility that some scheme could be, or has been, underway to supply Iraq with yellowcake from here." The cable also suggested raising the issue with the French, who control the uranium mines in Niger, despite France's solid assurances that no uranium could be diverted to rogue states.

(U) On February 19, 2002, CPD hosted a meeting with the former ambassador, intelligence analysts from both the CIA and INR, and several individuals from the DO's Africa and CPD divisions. The purpose of the meeting was to discuss the merits of the former ambassador traveling to Niger. An INR analyst's notes indicate that the meeting was "apparently convened by [the former ambassador's] wife who had the idea to dispatch [him] to use his contacts to sort out the Iraq-Niger uranium issue." The former ambassador's wife told Committee staff that she only attended the meeting to introduce her husband and left after about three minutes. ...

(U) On February 24, 2002, the U.S. Embassy in Niamey disseminated a cable (NIAMEY 000262) describing a meeting between the U.S. Ambassador to Niger, Barbro Owens-Kirkpatrick, Deputy Commander, European Command, General Carlton Fulford, Niger's President, Mamadou Tandja and Foreign Minister Aichatou Mindaoudou. ...

( ) At the meeting, Nigerien President Tandja assured the ambassador and General Fulford that Niger's goal was to keep its uranium "in safe hands" He . In the comment section of the cable, the embassy noted that in the past, "previous Nigerien governments have suggested that the best way the [U.S. government] could keep Niger's uranium from the wrong hands" was for the U.S. to purchase it. Ambassador Owens-Kirkpatrick told Committee staff that during her meetings with Nigerien officials, she never asked whether the officials had been approached by any countries to purchase uranium. She said, "we raised the issue in more general terms rather than specifics."

(U) On February 26, 2002, the former ambassador arrived in Niger. He told Committee staff that he first met with Ambassador Owens-Kirkpatrick to discuss his upcoming meetings. Ambassador Owens-Kirkpatrick asked him not to meet with current Nigerien officials because she believed it might complicate her continuing diplomatic efforts with them on the uranium issue. The former ambassador agreed to restrict his meetings to former officials and the private sector.

( ) The former ambassador told Committee staff that he met with the former Nigerien Prime Minister, the former Minister of Mines and Energy, and other business contacts. At the end of his visit, he debriefed Ambassador Owens-Kirkpatrick , Chad. He told Committee staff that he had told both U.S. officials he thought there was "nothing to the story." Ambassador Owens-Kirkpatrick told Committee staff she recalled the former ambassador saying "he had reached the same conclusions that the embassy had reached, that it was highly unlikely that anything was going on."

(U) On March 1, 2002, INR published an intelligence assessment, Niger: Sale of Uranium to Iraq Is Unlikely. The INR analyst who drafted the assessment told Committee staff that he had been told that the piece was in response to interest from the Vice President's office in the alleged Iraq-Niger uranium deal. The assessment reiterated 1NR's view that France controlled the uranium industry and "would take action to block a sale of the kind alleged in a CIA report of questionable credibility from a foreign government service." The assessment added that "some officials may have conspired for individual gain to arrange a uranium sale," but considered President Tandja's government unlikely to risk relations with the U.S. and other key aid donors. In a written response to a question from Committee staff on this matter, the Department of State said the assessment was distributed through the routine distribution process in which intelligence documents are delivered to the White House situation room, but State did not provide the assessment directly to the Vice President in a special delivery.

( ) In early March 2002, the Vice President asked his morning briefer for an update on the Niger uranium issue. In response, on March 5, 2002, WINPAC analysts sent an analytic update to the briefer which noted that the government of Niger said it was making all efforts to ensure that its uranium would be used for only peaceful purposes. The update said the foreign government service that provided the original report "was unable to provide new information, but continues to assess that its source is reliable." The update also noted that the CIA would "be debriefing a source who may have information related to the alleged sale on March 5."

(U) The intelligence report based on the former ambassador's trip was disseminated on March 8, 2002. The report did not identify the former ambassador by name or as a former ambassador, but described him as "a contact with excellent access who does not have an established reporting record." The report also indicted that the "subsources of the following information knew their remarks could reach the U.S. government and may have intended to influence as well as inform." DO officials told Committee staff that this type of description was routine and was done in order to protect the former ambassador as the source of the information, which they had told him they would do. DO officials also said they alerted WINPAC analysts when the report was being disseminated because they knew the "high priority of the issue." The report was widely distributed in routine channels.

( ) The intelligence report indicated that former Nigerien Prime Minister Ibrahim Mayaki was unaware of any contracts that had been signed between Niger and any rogue states for the sale of yellowcake while he was Prime Minister (1997-1999) or Foreign Minister (1996-1997). Mayaki said that if there had been any such contract during his tenure, he would have been aware of it. Mayaki said, however, that in June 1999,( ) businessman, approached him and insisted that Mayaki meet with an Iraqi delegation to discuss "expanding commercial relations" between Niger and Iraq. <span style='font-size: 14pt'>The intelligence report said that Mayaki interpreted "expanding commercial relations" to mean that the delegation wanted to discuss uranium yellowcake sales.</span> The intelligence report also said that "although the meeting took place, Mayaki let the matter drop due to the UN sanctions on Iraq." ...

(U) <span style='font-size: 14pt'>In an interview with Committee staff, the former ambassador was able to provide more information about the meeting between former Prime Minister Mayaki and the Iraqi delegation. The former ambassador said that Mayaki did meet with the Iraqi delegation but never discussed what was meant by "expanding commercial relations."The former ambassador said that because Mayaki was wary of discussing any trade issues with a country under United Nations (UN) sanctions, he made a successful effort to steer the conversation away from a discussion of trade with the Iraqi delegation.</span>

(U) The former ambassador also told Committee staff that he was the source of a Washington Post article ("CIA Did Not Share Doubt on Iraq Data; Bush Used Report of Uranium Bid," June 12, 2003) which said, <span style='font-size: 14pt'>"among the Envoy's conclusions was that the documents may have been forged because `the dates were wrong and the names were wrong." Committee staff asked how the former ambassador could have come to the conclusion that the "dates were wrong and the names were wrong" when he had never seen the CIA reports and had no knowledge of what names and dates were in the reports. The former ambassador said that he may have "misspoken" to the reporter when he said he concluded the documents were "forged." He also said he may have become confused about his own recollection after the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) reported in March 2003 that the names and dates on the documents were not correct and may have thought he had seen the names himself.</span> ...

(U) DIA and CIA analysts said that <span style='font-size: 14pt'>when they saw the intelligence report they did not believe that it supplied much new information and did not think that it clarified the story on the alleged Iraq-Niger uranium deal. They did not find Nigerien denials that they had discussed uranium sales with Iraq as very surprising because they had no expectation that Niger would admit to such an agreement if it did exist. The analysts did, however, find it interesting that the former Nigerien Prime Minister said an Iraqi delegation had visited Niger for what he believed was to discuss uranium sales.</span></div></div>

LWWW

llotter
12-05-2010, 02:40 PM
Gayle,

Editorials are virtually never signed at any newspaper. They officially represent that paper an not any individual and that is why they are not signed. The link shows it to be an Editorial but if you doubt it, simply check out the paper itself.

What surprises me is that you are so strong in your opinion while one of the Left's strongest voices is backtracking and I am grateful for that much, at least.

LWW
12-05-2010, 04:37 PM
Don't confuse her with reality, I bet she never even clicked on the link.

LWW

Qtec
12-05-2010, 08:41 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Got a link to support your myth?</div></div>


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">WASHINGTON — <span style='font-size: 14pt'>An unclassified summary of outed CIA officer Valerie Plame's employment history at the spy agency, disclosed for the first time today in a court filing by Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald, indicates <span style="color: #990000">that Plame was "covert" when her name became public in July 2003.</span>
</span>
The summary is part of an attachment to Fitzgerald's memorandum to the court supporting his recommendation that I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Vice President Cheney's former top aide, spend 2-1/2 to 3 years in prison for obstructing the CIA leak investigation.

The nature of Plame's CIA employment never came up in Libby's perjury and obstruction of justice trial.

Undercover travel
The unclassified summary of Plame's employment with the CIA at the time that syndicated columnist Robert Novak published her name on July 14, 2003 says, <span style='font-size: 20pt'>"Ms. Wilson was a covert CIA employee for who the CIA was taking affirmative measures to conceal her intelligence relationship to the United States."

Plame worked as an operations officer in the Directorate of Operations and was assigned to the Counterproliferation Division (CPD) in January 2002 at CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia.

The employment history indicates that while she was assigned to CPD, Plame, "engaged in temporary duty travel overseas on official business." The report says, "she traveled at least seven times to more than ten times." When overseas Plame traveled undercover, "sometimes in true name and sometimes in alias -- but always using cover -- whether official or non-official (NOC) -- with no ostensible relationship to the CIA."</span> </div></div>
link (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18924679/ns/politics/)

Here, Exhibit A. link (http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/070529_Unclassified_Plame_employement.pdf)

...and your source is Newsmax......LOL

Q

Stretch
12-05-2010, 08:52 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Got a link to support your myth?</div></div>


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">WASHINGTON — <span style='font-size: 14pt'>An unclassified summary of outed CIA officer Valerie Plame's employment history at the spy agency, disclosed for the first time today in a court filing by Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald, indicates <span style="color: #990000">that Plame was "covert" when her name became public in July 2003.</span>
</span>
The summary is part of an attachment to Fitzgerald's memorandum to the court supporting his recommendation that I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Vice President Cheney's former top aide, spend 2-1/2 to 3 years in prison for obstructing the CIA leak investigation.

The nature of Plame's CIA employment never came up in Libby's perjury and obstruction of justice trial.

Undercover travel
The unclassified summary of Plame's employment with the CIA at the time that syndicated columnist Robert Novak published her name on July 14, 2003 says, <span style='font-size: 20pt'>"Ms. Wilson was a covert CIA employee for who the CIA was taking affirmative measures to conceal her intelligence relationship to the United States."

Plame worked as an operations officer in the Directorate of Operations and was assigned to the Counterproliferation Division (CPD) in January 2002 at CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia.

The employment history indicates that while she was assigned to CPD, Plame, "engaged in temporary duty travel overseas on official business." The report says, "she traveled at least seven times to more than ten times." When overseas Plame traveled undercover, "sometimes in true name and sometimes in alias -- but always using cover -- whether official or non-official (NOC) -- with no ostensible relationship to the CIA."</span> </div></div>
link (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18924679/ns/politics/)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> </div></div>Here, Exhibit A. link (http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/070529_Unclassified_Plame_employement.pdf)

...and your source is Newsmax......LOL

Q </div></div> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> </div></div>


Q, usually it's the National Enquirer. St.

LWW
12-06-2010, 02:38 AM
Traveling under an alias does not a covert agent make.

US govt employees often travel abroad under an alias because of the amount of idjits abroad seeking to nab a US govt employee ... especially one working for the CIA.

That does not mean they are any covert intelligence mission.

This is but another case of how the far left begs to be deceived.

LWW

LWW
12-06-2010, 02:42 AM
Actually ... and you know this ... my source is the senate committee and it's reports and they have been linked to.

What you are doing is insisting that since the party will not allow the report to be spoon fed to you by American Pravda, then it doesn't exist.

What adds insult to your self inflicted injury is that you will then turn around and insist that Gee actually watched the hearings that you are denying.

LWW

LWW
12-06-2010, 02:48 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stretch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Q, usually it's the National Enquirer. St. </div></div>

Which has a far greater accuracy rating than the Huffington Post.

What the far left needs to wrap it's collectivist heads around is the fact(s) that:

- The US senate looked at this and deemed Wilson/Plame both to be liars.

- The US civil court system looked at this and deemed that Wilson/Plame had no case.

- The special prosecutor invested this and determined that no crime was committed.

Those are the facts, and they are indisputable ... yet the cabal insists upon desperately clinging to the party's spoon fed lies.

LWW

Gayle in MD
12-06-2010, 04:11 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Gayle,

Editorials are virtually never signed at any newspaper. They officially represent that paper an not any individual and that is why they are not signed. The link shows it to be an Editorial but if you doubt it, simply check out the paper itself.

What surprises me is that you are so strong in your opinion while one of the Left's strongest voices is backtracking and I am grateful for that much, at least. </div></div>

No one is backtracking, who has any credibility.

This entire story has been documented, thoroughly. The special Prosecutor knows more about the story, along with the judge and jury, than any RW BSer.

It was proven, that Valarie Plame's boss asked her to contact her husband, and see if he would go on the fact finding trip. He had been interviewed, by the Senate, and he confirmed every single this she told them.

You folks are really out there is you still try to twist and insist. Libby was CONVICTED.

End of story.

G.

Gayle in MD
12-06-2010, 04:17 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stretch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Got a link to support your myth?</div></div>


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">WASHINGTON — <span style='font-size: 14pt'>An unclassified summary of outed CIA officer Valerie Plame's employment history at the spy agency, disclosed for the first time today in a court filing by Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald, indicates <span style="color: #990000">that Plame was "covert" when her name became public in July 2003.</span>
</span>
The summary is part of an attachment to Fitzgerald's memorandum to the court supporting his recommendation that I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Vice President Cheney's former top aide, spend 2-1/2 to 3 years in prison for obstructing the CIA leak investigation.

The nature of Plame's CIA employment never came up in Libby's perjury and obstruction of justice trial.

Undercover travel
The unclassified summary of Plame's employment with the CIA at the time that syndicated columnist Robert Novak published her name on July 14, 2003 says, <span style='font-size: 20pt'>"Ms. Wilson was a covert CIA employee for who the CIA was taking affirmative measures to conceal her intelligence relationship to the United States."

Plame worked as an operations officer in the Directorate of Operations and was assigned to the Counterproliferation Division (CPD) in January 2002 at CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia.

The employment history indicates that while she was assigned to CPD, Plame, "engaged in temporary duty travel overseas on official business." The report says, "she traveled at least seven times to more than ten times." When overseas Plame traveled undercover, "sometimes in true name and sometimes in alias -- but always using cover -- whether official or non-official (NOC) -- with no ostensible relationship to the CIA."</span> </div></div>
link (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18924679/ns/politics/)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> </div></div>Here, Exhibit A. link (http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/070529_Unclassified_Plame_employement.pdf)

...and your source is Newsmax......LOL

Q </div></div> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> </div></div>


Q, usually it's the National Enquirer. St. </div></div>

<span style="color: #990000"> Isn't THAT the truth.

I've never seen posters with such irrelevant, undocumented BS presented as supposed "Facts."

These two, L and L, are the most ridiculous of any Ive ever seen on the internet.

Laughable!</span>

LWW
12-06-2010, 04:34 AM
And there you have it folks ... in under 7 minutes Gee commits full circle doublethink.

She asserts that the special prosecutor is the expert and knows the facts and that the special prosecutor is also a source of "undocumented BS" since the special prosecutor determined that nobody "outed" a covert agent.

http://files.fraterslibertas.com/Images/Separated/kravitz.jpg
<span style='font-family: Arial Black'><span style='font-size: 17pt'>She wuz covert I tell ya ...</span>
<u><span style='font-size: 17pt'>COVERT-COVERT-COVERT!</span></u></span>

LWW

Qtec
12-06-2010, 04:49 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Traveling under an alias does not a covert agent make.

US govt employees often travel abroad under an alias because of the amount of idjits abroad seeking to nab a US govt employee ... especially one working for the CIA.

That does not mean they are any covert intelligence mission.

This is but another case of how the far left begs to be deceived.

LWW </div></div>



What part of

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ms. Wilson was a covert CIA employee </div></div>

... don't you understand?

I would presume the head of the CIA knows more about her status than you do.

Q

Gayle in MD
12-06-2010, 05:08 AM
With every post, his ignorance shines brighter and brighter! He doesn't even know about traveling status, used by covert agents!

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That subject is covered in this very interesting interview, of one of the CIA Intelligence people who resigned because of the illegan invasion of Iraq, another in a long list of former CIA agents who resigned, stating, as all of the others did, that she resigned because of how the Bush Administration compromised her integrity, as they cherry picked justification for their illegal invasion of Iraq.


http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/Intelligence2

LWW
12-06-2010, 05:21 AM
Then why did the special prosecutor determine she wasn't?

Why wasn't anyone prosecuted?

You have nothing ... and you know it.

LWW

Qtec
12-06-2010, 06:10 AM
I just read his last post and my Meltdown meter is going off the scale! LOL

Even faced with an absolute fact- I gave him the link to the pdf of the original document- he still can't admit he is wrong. This conflict between fact and belief causes his brain to meltdown, hence this post.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Then why did the special prosecutor determine she wasn't?

Why wasn't anyone prosecuted?

You have nothing ... and you know it.

LWW </div></div>

Total denial...does not compute....does not compute...etc

Q

LWW
12-06-2010, 06:16 AM
You gave me nothing.

The fact that Plame traveled under an alias means nothing. If she were traveling under an alias and was outed abroad as being Plame it would mean something. That didn't happen.

She was listed in the CIA public list as an employee ... here husband repeatedly introduced her as a CIA employee at public events ... her identity as a CIA employee was not a secret.

The prosecutor confirmed that ... so did the senate committee ... so did her husband ... so did she. Everybody knows this ... including you.

LWW

LWW
12-06-2010, 06:18 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Then why did the special prosecutor determine she wasn't?

Why wasn't anyone prosecuted?

You have nothing ... and you know it.

LWW </div></div>

Total denial...does not compute....does not compute...etc

Q </div></div>

Let that one live on.

LWW

Qtec
12-06-2010, 06:18 AM
What about the pdf? Are you calling the head of the CIA a liar?

Q

LWW
12-06-2010, 06:24 AM
Not at all.

I'm saying it doesn't support your contention.

LWW

Qtec
12-06-2010, 06:42 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not at all.

I'm saying it doesn't support your contention.

LWW </div></div>


So him saying,


<span style='font-size: 26pt'>"Ms. Wilson was a covert CIA employee"</span>



.... <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">doesn't support <s>your</s> MY contention. </div></div>

that Plame WAS covert???????


Are you nuts?

Q

Gayle in MD
12-06-2010, 07:32 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not at all.

I'm saying it doesn't support your contention.

LWW </div></div>


So him saying,


<span style='font-size: 26pt'>"Ms. Wilson was a covert CIA employee"</span>



.... <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">doesn't support <s>your</s> MY contention. </div></div>

that Plame WAS covert???????


Are you nuts? <span style="color: #CC0000">Do we even need to ask? </span>

Q </div></div>

<span style="color: #990000">I've posted links in this thread, that prove him totally wrong.

First of all, a letter was written by the Director of the CIA, to the Senate Investigating Committee, for which I provided the link, on C-span. Among other RW lies that were exposed in that letter, was his statement that Plame was a secret covert NOC Agent, at the time she was outed. It was read by the Committee Chairman, at the beginning of the hearing.

Secondly, the Special Prosecutor established beyond a shadow of a doubt, during Scooter Libby's Trial, that Valarie Plame was a Secret Covert Agent, and he sent the FBI around to interview her friends and family annd neighbors, none of which knew tht she even worked for the CIA.

Third, even other CIA eployees, do not, and did not, know her identity, as my second link documents, nor do they usually ever even see these secret agents in their work environment, as the former CIA intelligence agent stated in the link to the C-Span clip, which I posted above...along with a clip of Plame's appearance.

Trying to debate with the right on this forum, is like sitting down with a toddler, who can't even walk, and insisting you're not going to give up until they can fully grasp algebra. </span>

<span style="color: #990000">
Can't believe anyone in this country could still be in denial on this issue. Libby was convicted! the Special Prosecutor wouldn't have even brought the case forward, If plame wasn't a secret covert agent. There was a RED S next to her name, in the file, that the White House got from the CIA, when they started to dig around for info on Wilson's wife!

G.</span>