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Qtec
12-12-2010, 01:02 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> 'ALL-OUT CYBER WAR' OVER WIKILEAKS

Extraordinary battle underscores <span style='font-size: 14pt'>serious threats to our very democracy, in more ways than one..</span>.

"We will fire at anyone or anything that tries to censor WikiLeaks, including multi-billion dollar companies such as PayPal. ... <u>The major shitstorm has begun."</u>

That's the message currently posted by the hacker group calling themselves "Anonymous", as part of what they call "Operation Payback".

The group has already reportedly succeeded in taking down both MasterCard and Visa's servers following the two corporations freezing the credit card transactions of WikiLeaks.

Earlier, according to RAW STORY, Anonymous issued a statement which read:

While we don't have much of an affiliation with WikiLeaks, we fight for the same reasons. We want transparency and we counter censorship. The attempts to silence WikiLeaks are long strides closer to a world where we can not say what we think and are unable to express our opinions and ideas.

We can not let this happen. This is why our intention is to find out who is responsible for this failed attempt at censorship. This is why we intend to utilize our resources to raise awareness, attack those against and support those who are helping lead our world to freedom and democracy.

What appears to be the first real and serious --- at least the first known and serious --- "all-out cyber war", as Secure Computing Magazine is now calling it, seems to be underway. <span style='font-size: 17pt'>In this case, however, it wasn't the hackers or even a foreign government who appear to have fired the first shots, but the U.S. Government who did so via apparently successful tactics used to intimidate both Amazon and PayPal into cutting off service to WikiLeaks, </span>the international media organization which has leaked thousands of classified U.S. documents, but has been charged with breaking absolutely no U.S. laws.

<u>The entire episode reveals a number of very serious concerns</u>, and at least one that may not be quite as obvious...

Last week we learned that Sen. Joe Lieberman's office, in his capacity as Chairman of the Senate Homeland Security Committee, <span style='font-size: 14pt'>intimidated Amazon into dropping their services to WikiLeaks with little more than a phone call. Other, smaller Internet sites were asked to, and did, follow suit.</span>

<span style='font-size: 17pt'>Today we learn that PayPal Vice President Osama Bedier confirmed his company shut off WikiLeaks' account due to pressure from the U.S. State Department, </span>telling an audience at a web conference this morning, according to Christian Science Monitor:
State Dept told us these were illegal activities. It was straightforward. We first comply with regulations around the world making sure that we protect our brand.

But, in fact, <u>whatever those "illegal activities" are, they have yet to be spelled out to anyone, as no criminal charges have been brought by the U.S.</u> against either WikiLeaks or its founder Julian Assange.

[Update: More egg on PayPal's face in regard to this.]

<span style='font-size: 26pt'>In short, these tactics appear to be little more than out and out McCarthy-esque style intimidation by the U.S. Government against supposedly private companies which led them to comply with the government's political agenda. Hollywood Black List anyone?</span></div></div>

So where are all the protectors of freedom and the USCON? All those TP people? I will tell you where they are, <u>nowhere to be seen.</u> When you do see them they are crying out for Assange to assassinated!

Around the world its the Left who kicking up a fuss about this assault on free speech, not the Right.
Geez, its left up to a bunch young computer nerd geeks to protect free speech / save the world.

The fight is on and most can't see it.


if you haven't seen this or not heard it (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAvmLDkAgAM)







Q


read on (http://www.bradblog.com/?p=8237)

LWW
12-12-2010, 05:08 AM
What do you know about what McCarthy actually did?

What's that?

Only what the party told you?

I already knew that.

LWW

Qtec
12-12-2010, 05:24 AM
LOL. After that whole post the only thing you can mention is McCarthy!

Q

Gayle in MD
12-12-2010, 07:13 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> 'ALL-OUT CYBER WAR' OVER WIKILEAKS

Extraordinary battle underscores <span style='font-size: 14pt'>serious threats to our very democracy, in more ways than one..</span>.

"We will fire at anyone or anything that tries to censor WikiLeaks, including multi-billion dollar companies such as PayPal. ... <u>The major shitstorm has begun."</u>

That's the message currently posted by the hacker group calling themselves "Anonymous", as part of what they call "Operation Payback".

The group has already reportedly succeeded in taking down both MasterCard and Visa's servers following the two corporations freezing the credit card transactions of WikiLeaks.

Earlier, according to RAW STORY, Anonymous issued a statement which read:

While we don't have much of an affiliation with WikiLeaks, we fight for the same reasons. We want transparency and we counter censorship. The attempts to silence WikiLeaks are long strides closer to a world where we can not say what we think and are unable to express our opinions and ideas.

We can not let this happen. This is why our intention is to find out who is responsible for this failed attempt at censorship. This is why we intend to utilize our resources to raise awareness, attack those against and support those who are helping lead our world to freedom and democracy.

What appears to be the first real and serious --- at least the first known and serious --- "all-out cyber war", as Secure Computing Magazine is now calling it, seems to be underway. <span style='font-size: 17pt'>In this case, however, it wasn't the hackers or even a foreign government who appear to have fired the first shots, but the U.S. Government who did so via apparently successful tactics used to intimidate both Amazon and PayPal into cutting off service to WikiLeaks, </span>the international media organization which has leaked thousands of classified U.S. documents, but has been charged with breaking absolutely no U.S. laws.

<u>The entire episode reveals a number of very serious concerns</u>, and at least one that may not be quite as obvious...

Last week we learned that Sen. Joe Lieberman's office, in his capacity as Chairman of the Senate Homeland Security Committee, <span style='font-size: 14pt'>intimidated Amazon into dropping their services to WikiLeaks with little more than a phone call. Other, smaller Internet sites were asked to, and did, follow suit.</span>

<span style='font-size: 17pt'>Today we learn that PayPal Vice President Osama Bedier confirmed his company shut off WikiLeaks' account due to pressure from the U.S. State Department, </span>telling an audience at a web conference this morning, according to Christian Science Monitor:
State Dept told us these were illegal activities. It was straightforward. We first comply with regulations around the world making sure that we protect our brand.

But, in fact, <u>whatever those "illegal activities" are, they have yet to be spelled out to anyone, as no criminal charges have been brought by the U.S.</u> against either WikiLeaks or its founder Julian Assange.

[Update: More egg on PayPal's face in regard to this.]

<span style='font-size: 26pt'>In short, these tactics appear to be little more than out and out McCarthy-esque style intimidation by the U.S. Government against supposedly private companies which led them to comply with the government's political agenda. Hollywood Black List anyone?</span></div></div>

So where are all the protectors of freedom and the USCON? All those TP people? I will tell you where they are, <u>nowhere to be seen.</u> When you do see them they are crying out for Assange to assassinated!

Around the world its the Left who kicking up a fuss about this assault on free speech, not the Right.
Geez, its left up to a bunch young computer nerd geeks to protect free speech / save the world.

The fight is on and most can't see it.


if you haven't seen this or not heard it (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAvmLDkAgAM)







Q


read on (http://www.bradblog.com/?p=8237) </div></div>


<span style="color: #990000">IMO, some of my favorite Dems are on the wrong side of this issue.

You'll enjoy this article... </span>

I predicted in 2006 that the forces that wish to strip American citizens of their freedoms, so as to benefit from a profitable and endless state of war -- forces that are still powerful in the Obama years, and even more powerful now that the Supreme Court decision striking down limits on corporate contributions to our leaders has taken effect -- would pressure Congress and the White House to try to breathe new life yet again into the terrifying Espionage Act in order to silence dissent. In 2005, Bush tried this when the New York Times ran its exposť of Bush's illegal surveillance of banking records -- the SWIFT program. This report was based, as is the WikiLeaks publication, on classified information. Then, as now, White House officials tried to invoke the Espionage Act against the New York Times. Talking heads on the right used language such as 'espioinage' and 'treason' to describe the Times' release of the story, and urged that Bill Keller be tried for treason and, if found guilty, executed. It didn't stick the first time; but, as I warned, since this tactic is such a standard part of the tool-kit for closing an open society -- 'Step Ten' of the 'Ten Steps' to a closed society: 'Rename Dissent 'Espionage' and Criticism of Government, 'Treason' -- I knew, based on my study of closing societies, that this tactic would resurface.
<span style='font-size: 14pt'>Let me explain clearly why activating -- rather than abolishing -- the Espionage Act is an act of profound aggression against the American people. We are all Julian Assange. Serious reporters discuss classified information every day -- go to any Washington or New York dinner party where real journalists are present, and you will hear discussion of leaked or classified information. That is journalists' job in a free society.</span> The White House, too, is continually classifying and declassifying information.

As I noted in The End of America, if you prosecute journalists -- and Assange, let us remember, is the New York Times in the parallel case of the Pentagon Papers, not Daniel Ellsberg; he is the publisher, not the one who revealed the classified information -- then any outlet, any citizen, who discusses or addresses 'classified' information can be arrested on 'national security' grounds. If Assange can be prosecuted under the Espionage Act, then so can the New York Times; and the producers of Parker Spitzer, who discussed the WikiLeaks material two nights ago; and the people who posted a mirror WikiLeaks site on my Facebook 'fan' page; and Fox News producers, who addressed the leak and summarized the content of the classified information; and every one of you who may have downloaded information about it; and so on. That is why prosecution via the Espionage Act is so dangerous -- not for Assange alone, but for every one of us, regardless of our political views.

This is far from a feverish projection: if you study the history of closing societies, as I have, you see that every closing society creates a kind of 'third rail' of material, with legislation that proliferates around it. <span style='font-size: 14pt'>The goal of the legislation is to call those who criticize the government 'spies', 'traitors', enemies of the state' and so on. </span>Always the issue of national security is invoked as the reason for this proliferating legislation. The outcome? A hydra that breeds fear. Under similar laws in Germany in the early thirties, it became a form of 'espionage' and 'treason' to criticize the Nazi party, to listen to British radio programs, to joke about the fuhrer, or to read cartoons that mocked the government. Communist Russia in the 30's, East Germany in the 50's, and China today all use parallel legislation to call criticism of the government -- or whistleblowing -- 'espionage' and 'treason', and 'legally' imprison or even execute journalists, editors, and human rights activists accordingly.

I call on all American citizens to rise up and insist on repeal of the Espionage Act immediately. We have little time to waste. The Assange assault is theater of a particularly deadly kind, and America will not recover from the use of the Espionage Act as a cudgel to threaten journalists, editors and news outlets with. I call on major funders of Feinstein's and Lieberman;s campaigns to put their donations in escrow accounts and notify the staffers of those Senators that the funds willonly be released if they drop their traitorous invocation of the Espionage Act. I call on all Americans to understand once for all: this is not about Julian Assange. This, my fellow citizens, is about you.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/naomi-wolf/post_1394_b_795001.html

LWW
12-12-2010, 07:59 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LOL. After that whole post the only thing you can mention is McCarthy!

Q </div></div>

Actually your story mentioned McCarthy ... I merely pointed out that neither they no you have any real clue about what senator McCarthy did or stood for.

History has vindicated him and the left can't deal with it.

LWW

Stretch
12-12-2010, 08:11 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LOL. After that whole post the only thing you can mention is McCarthy!

Q </div></div>

My thoughts exactly. This is a tactic he uses every time a subject is too hot to handle so he cherry picks an insignificant segment and challenges you on it to distract from the topic. St.

Chopstick
12-12-2010, 08:12 AM
I do not consider denial of service attacks on two web pages all out cyber war. They were just a bunch of script kiddies with no serious skills. The sooner we track them down and arrest them the better. They claim they are fighting for truth and justice but the fact is that they are common criminals. What kind of truth and justice are you going to get at Mastercard?

As far as wikileaks is concerned, the guy is an idiot who is just beginning to get what he deserves.

Gayle in MD
12-12-2010, 08:17 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stretch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LOL. After that whole post the only thing you can mention is McCarthy!

Q </div></div>

My thoughts exactly. This is a tactic he uses every time a subject is too hot to handle so he cherry picks an insignificant segment and challenges you on it to distract from the topic. St. </div></div>

Absolutely, and that is the entire strategy of the right, on this forum.

They either divert Q.'s excellent, and well documented posts, or they fall back on their favorite nit-picking, condescending, personal insults. They ALL do it.

G.

eg8r
12-12-2010, 07:27 PM
Finally it looks like Obama might have a spine. I sure hope this is all true. Maybe there is an inkling that Obama actually cares about our well being.

eg8r

Qtec
12-13-2010, 06:34 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Finally it looks like Obama might have a spine. I sure hope this is all true. Maybe there is an inkling that Obama <u>actually cares about our well being</u>.

eg8r </div></div>

You are the one always complaining about the Nanny State, ' Cradle to Grave care' socialist thinking, but now you want Obama to protect you from the truth! You don't seem to care that your Govt lies to you and the world and that when the truth comes out they use strong arm tactics,threats and intimidation to stifle free speech. Typical.

News for you.

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>A politician is not a God, neither are the super rich. </span><span style='font-size: 17pt'>You do not have to bow down.</span> They do not have unlimited power because they are the MINORITY and as long as you have freedom and democracy your are protected from the worst abuses of power.

There is a thing called the the Law. If Joe Lieberman can get a private company to do his bidding just by making a phone call there is something wrong.

All these companies who cooperated illegally with the Govt can expect a law suit from wikileaks. Lots of money. Ha.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In this case, however, <u>it wasn't the hackers </u>or even a foreign government <u>who appear to have fired the first shots, but the U.S. Government </u>who did so via apparently successful tactics used <u>to intimidate both Amazon and PayPal into cutting off service to WikiLeaks,</u> </div></div>

They were also the ones who brought down the wiki site, ie THEY started it.

Q

eg8r
12-13-2010, 09:13 AM
Man, I sure hope Obama continues in this manner and actually does something about this espionage.

eg8r