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LWW
12-14-2010, 05:29 AM
In lieu of the left once again spewing lies about Senator McCarthy, I feel it is time for a bit of fact based history.

Senator McCarthy called for an investigation due to information he had received that claimed both the FDR and Truman admins were riddled with Soviet agents.

HERE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venona_project) is a brief history of the Venona Project.

HERE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venona_names) is a list of Soviet agents in the US that were revealed due to the Venona Projest:

John Abt**[2]
Solomon Adler**[2]
Rudy Baker**[2][3]
Joel Barr[2]
Alice Barrows[2]
Theodore Bayer, President, Russky Golos Publishing[2]
Cedric Belfrage[2]
Elizabeth Bentley[2]
Joseph Milton Bernstein[2]
Earl Browder[2], American communist and General Secretary of the Communist Party USA from 1934 to 1945.
Paul Burns**[2][4]
Sylvia Callen**[2]
Virginius Frank Coe[2]
Lona Cohen**[2]
Morris Cohen**[2], Communist Party USA & Portland Spy Ring member who was courier for Manhattan Project physicist Theodore Hall.
Judith Coplon[2]
Lauchlin Currie[2], White House economic adviser to President Franklin Roosevelt and director of World Bank mission to Colombia.
Byron T. Darling**[2]
Eugene Dennis[2]
Samuel Dickstein**[2]
Martha Dodd**[2], daughter of William Dodd, who served as the United States ambassador to Germany between 1933 and 1937.
William E. Dodd Jr.[2]
Laurence Duggan,[2] Head of the South American desk at the United States Department of State during World War II.
Eufrosina Dvoichenko-Markov[2]
Nathan Einhorn[2]
Jack Bradley Fahy[2]
Linn Markley Farish, senior liaison officer with Josip Broz Tito's Yugoslav Partisan forces[2]
Edward J. Fitzgerald[2]
Charles Flato[2]
Isaac Folkoff[2]
Jane Foster[2]
Zalmond David Franklin[2]
Isabel Gallardo[2][5]
Boleslaw K. Gerbert[2][6]
Rebecca Getzoff[2]
Harold Glasser,[2] U.S. Treasury Dept. economist, United Nations Relief and Rehabilitation Administration (UNRRA) spokesman.
Bela Gold[2]
Harry Gold,[2] sentenced to 30 years for his role in the Rosenbergs' ring
Sonia Steinman Gold[2]
Jacob Golos,[2] "main pillar" of NKVD spy network, particularly the Sound/Myrna group, he died in the arms of Elizabeth Bentley
George Gorchoff[2]
Gerald Graze**,[2][7]
David Greenglass,[2] machinist at Los Alamos sentenced to 15 years for his role in Rosenberg ring; he was the brother of executed Ethel Rosenberg
Ruth Greenglass[2]
Theodore Alvin Hall,[2] Manhattan Project physicist who gave plutonium purification secrets to Soviet intelligence.
Maurice Halperin,[2] American writer, professor, diplomat, and Soviet spy (NKVD code name "Hare").
Kitty Harris,[2]
Clarence Hiskey**,[2]
Alger Hiss,[2] Lawyer involved in the establishment of the United Nations, both as a U.S. State Department and UN official.
Donald Hiss**[2]
Harry Hopkins,[2] One of FDR's closest advisers & New Deal architect, esp. Works Progress Administration (WPA),
Louis Horwitz[2]
Bella Joseph**[2]
Emma Harriet Joseph[2]
Gertrude Kahn[2]
Joseph Katz[2]
Helen Grace Scott Keenan[2]
Mary Jane Keeney[2]
Philip Keeney[2]
Alexander Koral**[2]
Helen Koral[2]
Samuel Krafsur[2]
Charles Kramer[2]
Christina Krotkova,[2]
Sergej Nikolaevich Kurnakov[2]
Stephen Laird[2]
Oscar Lange[2]
Richard Lauterbach, employee at Time magazine[2]
Duncan C. Lee[2]
Michael S. Leshing[2]
Helen Lowry[2]
William Mackey[2]
Harry Samuel Magdoff[2][8]
William Malisoff, owner and manager of United Laboratories[2]
Hede Massing**[2]
Robert Owen Menaker[2]
Floyd Cleveland Miller[2]
James Walter Miller[2]
Robert Miller**[2]
Robert G. Minor,[2] Office of Strategic Services, Belgrade
Leonard Emil Mins[2]
Nichola Napoli[2]
Franz Neumann**[2]
David K. Niles
Eugénie Olkhine[2][9]
Frank Oppenheimer**[2]
Julius Robert Oppenheimer[2], Scientific director of the Manhattan Project and chief advisor to the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission.
Nicholas V. Orloff[2]
Edna Margaret Patterson[2]
William Perl[2]
Victor Perlo[2]
Aleksandr N. Petroff, Curtiss-Wright Aircraft
Vladimir Aleksandrovich Posner, United States War Department[2]
Lee Pressman[2]
Mary Wolfe Price[2]
Bernard Redmont**[2]
Peter Rhodes[2]
Stephan Sandi Rich[2]
Kenneth Richardson, World Wide Electronics[2]
Samuel Jacob Rodman, United Nations Relief and Rehabilitation Administration[2]
Allan Rosenberg[2]
Julius Rosenberg,[2] United States Army Signal Corps Laboratories, executed for role in the Rosenberg ring
Ethel Rosenberg,[2] executed for role in Rosenberg ring based on testimony of her brother, David Greenglass
Amadeo Sabatini[2]
Alfred Epaminodas Sarant[2]
Marian Miloslavovich Schultz[2]
Milton Schwartz[2]
John Scott[2]
Ricardo Setaro[2][10]
Charles Bradford Sheppard, Hazeltine Electronics[2]
Abraham George Silverman[2]
Nathan Gregory Silvermaster[2], U.S. War Production Board (WPB) economist and head of a major ring of spies in the U.S. government.
Cary Hiles[2]
Helen Silvermaster[2], Leader of the American League for Peace & Democracy and the National Federation for Constitutional Liberties.
Morton Sobell[2][11]
Jack Soble[2]
Robert Soble[2]
Johannes Steele[2]
I. F. Stone[2], Investigative journalist whose newsletter, I. F. Stone's Weekly, was ranked 16th out of 100 by his fellow journalists.
Augustina Stridsberg[2]
Anna Louise Strong[2]
Helen Tenney**[2]
Mikhail Tkach, editor of the Ukrainian Daily News[2]
William Ludwig Ullmann[2]
Irving Charles Velson[2]
Margietta Voge[2]
William Weisband**[2]
Donald Wheeler[2]
Maria Wicher[2]
Harry Dexter White,[2] Senior U.S. Treasury department official, primary designer of the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank.
Ruth Beverly Wilson[2]
Ignacy Witczak**[2][12]
Ilya Elliott Wolston[2]
Flora Don Wovschin[2]
Jones Orin York[2]
Daniel Abraham Zaret, Spanish War veteran[2]
Mark Zborovski[2]

HERE is the list of innocent victims our resident McCarthy haters have been able to list:

Those are the facts of the matter and they are byond dispute.

LWW

Qtec
12-14-2010, 06:20 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Senator McCarthy called for an investigation due to information he had received that claimed both the FDR and Truman admins were riddled with Soviet agents.</div></div>


...............yeah and then he went ape$h!t. He saw ghosts everywhere and he lost all objectivity. He ruined careers and lives. Hollywood blacklist ring a bell? Ronnie Reagan ratting out his friends ring a bell?


Wake up man.

Q

Qtec
12-14-2010, 06:27 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Those are the facts of the matter and <span style='font-size: 26pt'>they are byond dispute.</span> </div></div>

OMG.......LMAO.......this is too much.


The facts, YOUR LINK. LOL



<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The following are a list of names ostensibly deciphered from codenames contained in the Venona project. To what extent any given individual named in the Venona papers was actually involved with Soviet intelligence <span style='font-size: 26pt'>is a topic of dispute. </span></div></div>

http://www.historyplace.com/unitedstates/pacificwar/265.jpg

http://www.critical-hits.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/RPG_plane_2.jpg


LMAO


Q

LWW
12-14-2010, 06:44 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">He ruined careers and lives.

Q </div></div>

Yet you can't name a single innocent victim?

LWW

LWW
12-14-2010, 06:47 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hollywood blacklist ring a bell?

Q </div></div>

Would that be the same Hollywood blacklisting that resulted from the democrook kled HUAC hearings ... the one set up to keep the KKK from being investigated ... the one <u><span style='font-size: 11pt'>SENATOR</span></u> McCarthy had absolutely nothing to do with?

Why, yes it would be ... wouldn't it.

LWW

LWW
12-14-2010, 06:51 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ronnie Reagan ratting out his friends ring a bell?

Q </div></div>

Would that be the same Ronald Reagan that was called before the same HUAC hearings that the same SENATOR McCarthy had absolutely nothing to dow with and which motivated Reagan to later say he didn't leave the party but the party left him?

Why, again, yes it would be wouldn't it.

Why do you continue defending the defenders of the KKK and spreading lies against a great American.

Either present an innocent victim or continue to show yourself to be a stooge of the forces of evil.

I'm fine either way ... I know this subject like the back of my hand and have slain every leftist myth in existence on this topic.

I've tried to be nice ... but if you wish to further embarrass yourself, by all means proceed.

LWW

llotter
12-14-2010, 09:20 AM
It really is amazing how the Left will first create a false history and then defend it when it is proved false. Even more interesting is that the false history always portrays our enemies as the good guys and those who want to expose them as the bad guys.

Disgusting and repulsive describes those who will support anything to tear America down by continuously attacking every traditional value because those values smack of their religious roots.

LWW
12-14-2010, 05:06 PM
How true.

The left will use any lie and ignore every fact in it's never ending jihad against senator McCarthy ... and self flagellate themselves publicly with ridiculous and unsupportable claim after ridiculous and unsupportable claim.

My favorite is that it was senator McCarthy's fault because the democrook controlled house of representatives set up a committee to protect the KKK and persecute benign communists such as Lucy.

How pathetically lame is that?

But, OTOH, when one is dealing with people who believe that unemployment drives economic growth, the way to end a deficit is to make it larger, and the solution to pollution is coal powered cars ... what can one reasonably expect?

LWW

LWW
12-15-2010, 04:06 AM
Let the record show that after much wailing and gnashing of teeth, Q has presented a grand total of <u><span style='font-size: 11pt'>ZERO</span></u> innocent victims of senator McCarthy.

That's bad enough, but he has also ran out the names of several victims of HUAC, which was a democrook controlled group set up to run interference for the KKK by making people like Lucille Ball, Charlie Chaplin, and Ronald Reagan targets.

LWW

Qtec
12-15-2010, 04:24 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">McCarthy's Victims

A few of the people on McCarthy's list were actually spies for the Soviet Union. However, many of the listed suspects were merely left-leaning public figures, liberal Democrats The list also included those who used to or never work for the State Department. Even being drunk or incompetent while working for the State Department could land a person on the list.

<span style='font-size: 17pt'>During hearings, McCarthy often asked extremely detailed questions involving what the person did 10 years ago. When the accused invoked the Fifth Amendment to protect themselves, McCarthy said this act is "the most positive proof obtainable that the witness is Communist."</span>


Owen Lattimore

Born and raised in Shanghai, Owen Lattimore was the former editor for the Institute of Pacific Relations Journal. He was the United States government liaison to Chiang Kai-Shek before the Nationalists' defeat in their civil war with China. From 1938 to 1950, Lattimore was directed the Page School of International Relations a Johns Hopkins University.

Lattimore's outspokenness, liberal views and acquaintance with Chiang Kai-Shek made him an easy target for McCarthy's anti-Communist campaigns. In 1950, McCarthy accused Lattimore of being the number one spy for the Soviets. After facing 12 days of intense questioning by McCarthy and his committee, Lattimore was charged with seven counts of perjury. Even though these charges were dismissed three years later, Lattimore's reputation and credibility among people was destroyed. Even after his death in 1989, many still questioned his loyalty to his country.


Val Lorwin

Val Lorwin was a State Department employee who had served in the labor section. When Joe McCarthy first brandished his list of alleged Communists, Lorwin was number 54 on the list. At this time, Lorwin was working as a labor economist in Paris.

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>Lorwin landed on the government's radar when his old friend Harold Metz testified that Lorwin had shown him a red card for the Communist Party and had hosted some "strange-looking people" at his house.</span> Metz had actually made a mistake. Lorwin was later cleared in 1952 by the Loyalty Board when he testified that the red card was for the Socialist Party and the "strange-looking people" were Socialists.

Despite this, Lorwin was still indicted before the State Department for perjury. It wasn't until two years later did the Assistant Attorney General dismissed these charges. By then, Lorwin's reputation was tainted and Lorwin even said he felt like "several years of my own and my wife's life" were taken away. He even wrote, "I was thankful that we have no children".

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 26pt'>McCarthyism is a term used to describe the making of accusations of disloyalty, subversion, or treason without proper regard for evidence.</span> The term has its origins in the period in the United States known as the Second Red Scare, lasting roughly from the late 1940s to the late 1950s and characterized by heightened fears of communist influence on American institutions and espionage by Soviet agents. Originally coined to criticize the anti-communist pursuits of U.S. Senator Joseph McCarthy, "McCarthyism" soon took on a broader meaning, describing the excesses of similar efforts. <span style='font-size: 17pt'>The term is also now used more generally to describe reckless, unsubstantiated accusations, as well as demagogic attacks on the character or patriotism of political adversaries.</span> </div></div>

Q

LWW
12-15-2010, 05:16 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Owen Lattimore


Q


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Would that be the Owen Lattimore that was called before the Tydings Committee and not the Army-McCarthy hearings?

Would that be the Tydings Committee chaired by democrook Millard Tydings?

Would that be the Owen Lattimore which was mentioned in private session by McCarthy and then his name leaked to the media by Tydings?

Would that be the Owen Lattimore who willingly offered, never subpoenaed, testified?

Would that be the Own Lattimore who Louis Budenz, editor of the CPUSA's "DAILY WORKER", testified was a person of influence who often assisted Soviet foreign policy?

Would that be the same Owen Lattimore who was called before the Senate Internal Security Subcommittee democrook senator Pat McCarran?

Would that be the same Owen Lattimore that the same Louis Budenz testified before the same McCarran chaired committee was a Soviet spy?

Oh, and what penalty faced you "INNOCENT VICTIM" I should ask?

What's that?

Nothing?

I already knew that.

OH DEAR! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owen_Lattimore)

OH MY! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owen_Lattimore)

GOOD GOLLY! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_McCarran)

LWW

LWW
12-15-2010, 05:32 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Val Lorwin

Q


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Is that the same Val Lorwin whom McCarthy ID'ed only as a number and a person he suggested be investigated?

Is that the same Val Lorwin that the democrooks leaked his name to the media?

Is that the same Val Lorwin who had been called before the "LOYALTY BOARD" set up by POTUS Harry Truman?

Is that the same Val Lorwin who was suspended by the same "LOYALTY BOARD" as a security risk?

Is that the same Val Lorwin who was indicted by a US federal grand jury which McCarthy had nothing to do with?

Is that the same Val Lorwin against whom charges were dropped?

You are running out of blind alleys to run up my friend.

Do the right thing and just admit you have been spoon fed another load of lies by the leftist hate machine.

SORRY. (http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,806840-1,00.html)

LWW

LWW
12-15-2010, 06:11 PM
I guess that must have been them.

LWW

Qtec
12-15-2010, 06:36 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">McCarthyism is a term used to describe the making of accusations of disloyalty, subversion, or treason without proper regard for evidence </div></div>

.........and you still think he is a hero! LMFAO

Your problem is the same as McCarthy's, you think anyone left of Mussolini is a commie pinko, the enemy. Its sounds like like one of G Beck's rants "Socialists......a threat to the country."


Again, what about this? (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-460953942838272185#)

Fisher (http://billiardsdigest.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=329675#Post329675)

Anyone who watches that video can have no doubt about McCarthy anymore.
Maybe in the beginning he might have had the best intentions but the video clearly showed what he had become and it wasn't pretty.

Q

LWW
12-16-2010, 02:45 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Again, what about this? (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-460953942838272185#)

Fisher (http://billiardsdigest.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=329675#Post329675)

Anyone who watches that video can have no doubt about McCarthy anymore.
Maybe in the beginning he might have had the best intentions but the video clearly showed what he had become and it wasn't pretty.

Q </div></div>

We have already discussed Fisher, bringing him up again doesn't prove anything other than your abstinence fromn the truth.

Would that be the same Fred Fisher who had been outed by the New York Times as a communist before he was called before McCarthy's committee?

Would that be the same Fred Fisher associated for the "NATIONAL LAWYER'S GUILD" earlier?

Yes, the same NLG that was determined by the US Attorney General to be a front group under the control of the CPUSA ... which was under the control of the Soviets? The same NLG that was determined by the FBI to be a subversive group?

Oh, you forgot to mention also what happened to Mr Fisher over his associations ... what's that? Nothing happened to him?

Why do you subject yourself to this much embarrassment? Read what you link. Learn something. All you have done is repeat the same old leftist lies ... and blame the dastardly acts of HUAC on a great American hero.

To quote the Army-McCarthy hearings ... "Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?"

Snoopy ... shot down. Again. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Fisher_(lawyer))

FACTS! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Lawyers_Guild) They are such stubborn things.


Now, please, save yourself and admit that you cannot name one ... not even <u><span style='font-family: Arial Black'><span style='font-size: 26pt'>ONE</span></span></u> ... innocent victim of senator McCarthy.

LWW

LWW
12-16-2010, 02:54 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">McCarthyism is a term used to describe the making of accusations of disloyalty, subversion, or treason without proper regard for evidence </div></div>

Q </div></div>

You are close to an epiphany.

"McCARTHYISM" is a phrase ... and not the actions of senator McCarthy.

As you have proven, "McCARTHYISM" is a word used by the democrooks to hide their involvement in the HUAC hearings ... which is the bulk of the "PROOF" you believed in which has been shown to be lies ... and to use senator McCarthy as a scapegoat for their blacklists and running interference for the KKK.

The far left slie machine has fed these lies to the people for half a century until it has been common folklore.

I used to even believe in it myself.

Now, with the release of the Venona project and the availability of data via the web, most people are smart enough to discern the truth when exposed to it.

Sadly, some are so doggedly determined to cling to the party's lie that they will simply repeat the lie in the face of the truth hoping it will work as a totem and protect them from yhat truth.

Now, to do what you cannot, I will present to you the one innocent victim of the McCarthy ordeal ... the only one who actually had his career destroyed and his life ruined ...
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http://multimedialearningllc.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/mccarthy.jpg

LWW

Qtec
12-16-2010, 05:23 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Anyone who watches that video can have no doubt about McCarthy anymore.
Maybe in the beginning he might have had the best intentions but the video clearly showed what he had become and it wasn't pretty.

Q
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Your problem is the same as McCarthy's, <span style='font-size: 14pt'>you think anyone left of Mussolini is a commie pinko, the enemy.</span> Its sounds like like one of G Beck's rants "Socialists......a threat to the country." </div></div>

LWW
12-16-2010, 05:28 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Anyone who watches that video can have no doubt about McCarthy anymore.
Maybe in the beginning he might have had the best intentions but the video clearly showed what he had become and it wasn't pretty.

Q
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Your problem is the same as McCarthy's, <span style='font-size: 14pt'>you think anyone left of Mussolini is a commie pinko, the enemy.</span> Its sounds like like one of G Beck's rants "Socialists......a threat to the country." </div></div> </div></div>

1 - Mussolini was a leftist, and virtually nobody is to "THE LEFT" of Benito.

2 - You are a leftist in denial.

3 - Words mean things, and I wish you would learn their meanings before you tossed them about.

4 - The challenge was for you to name a single innocent victim of senator McCarthy.

5 - You have failed miserably.

6 - You tried to paper over that failure by throwing out lists in the hope that everyone else was as brainwashed on the topic as you.

7 - You are now vainly trying to change the subject.

8 - The reason is you simply cannot bring yourself to realize the leftist hate mongers filled your head with lies.

9 - Everybody sees that by now.

10 - You have convinced me that you will cling to this lie for the rest of your days.

LWW

Qtec
12-16-2010, 05:47 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">1 - Mussolini was a leftist </div></div>


LMAO. Where do you get this stuff from? Glenn Beck.com? Newsmax? WND?

wiki.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Benito Amilcare Andrea Mussolini (Italian pronunciation: [beˈniːto musːoˈliːni]; 29 July 1883 – 28 April 1945) was an Italian politician who led the <span style='font-size: 20pt'>National Fascist Party</span> and is credited with being one of the key figures in the <span style='font-size: 23pt'>creation of Fascism. </span></div></div>



LOL


Q..........had your meds yet? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

LWW
12-16-2010, 06:46 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">1 - Mussolini was a leftist </div></div>


LMAO. Where do you get this stuff from? Glenn Beck.com? Newsmax? WND?

wiki.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Benito Amilcare Andrea Mussolini (Italian pronunciation: [beˈniːto musːoˈliːni]; 29 July 1883 – 28 April 1945) was an Italian politician who led the <span style='font-size: 20pt'>National Fascist Party</span> and is credited with being one of the key figures in the <span style='font-size: 23pt'>creation of Fascism. </span></div></div>



LOL


Q..........had your meds yet? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif </div></div>

How do you come soi close to "GETTING IT" without ever actually getting it?

The farther left you go the more one believes in statism ... the farther right you go the less you believe in statism. To the farthest left lies tyranny.

Obama is a leftist ... so were Mussolini, Hitler, Mao, Lincoln, and Bush.

The far right would include the likes of Jefferson, Washington, Madison, Jay, Franklin, and myself. To the farthest right lies anarchy.

Now that I have schooled you ... again ... how's that list of innocent victims of senator McCarthy coming along?

What's that?

There weren't any?

Yo can't man up and admit the leftist lie machine played you like Perlman plays a Strad?

I already knew that.

This is where you call some more names and claim victory amidst a devastating defeat.

LWW

Qtec
12-16-2010, 07:03 AM
This deserves its own thread.

Q

Gayle in MD
12-16-2010, 07:21 AM
The guy is OUT THERE!

Way, Way OUT THERE!

LWW
12-16-2010, 04:58 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">1 - Mussolini was a leftist </div></div>


LMAO. Where do you get this stuff from? Glenn Beck.com? Newsmax? WND</div></div>

Actually, from his autobiography.

Mussolini was a radical socialist ... in fact so radical that the Italian socialist party booted him.

You might consider this from the Italian security folks, kind of like today's HSA:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Regarding Mussolini Professor Benito Mussolini,...38, revolutionary socialist, has a police record; elementary school teacher qualified to teach in secondary schools; former first secretary of the Chambers in in Cesena, Forli, and Ravenna; after 1912 editor of the newspaper Avanti! to which he gave a violent suggestive and intransigent orientation. In October 1914, finding himself in opposition to the directorate of the Italian Socialist party because he advocated a kind of active neutrality on the part of Italy in the War of the Nations against the party's tendency of absolute neutrality, he withdrew on the twentieth of that month from the directorate of Avanti! Then on the fifteenth of November [1914], thereafter, he initiated publication of the newspaper Il Popolo d'Italia, in which he supported -- in sharp contrast to Avanti! and amid bitter polemics against that newspaper and its chief backers -- the thesis of Italian intervention in the war against the militarism of the Central Empires. For this reason he was accused of moral and political unworthiness and the party thereupon decided to expel him. </div></div>


The difference between you and I is that I try to know WTF I"m talking about before I post.

The difference between Gee and I is that I think reading a book consists of actually reading a book .... Gee believes that reading a book consists of listening to a party moonbat explain to her what it says.

Why can't Snoopy learn? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benito_Mussolini)

LWW

LWW
12-16-2010, 04:59 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The guy is OUT THERE!

Way, Way OUT THERE! </div></div>

Yes, my head is entirely out of the sand and in the air.

Who told you?

LWW

LWW
03-21-2011, 04:21 AM
BUMP!

After three plus month's ... I'm wondering how the far left's search for an innocent victim of McCarthyism is coming along?

LWW
03-21-2011, 04:22 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">BUMP!

After three plus month's ... I'm wondering how the far left's search for an innocent victim of McCarthyism is coming along? </div></div>

That is, other than the first TV era victim of the far left slime machine ... senator McCarthy himself.
http://multimedialearningllc.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/mccarthy.jpg

LWW
03-21-2011, 04:50 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It really is amazing how the Left will first create a false history and then defend it when it is proved false. Even more interesting is that the false history always portrays our enemies as the good guys and those who want to expose them as the bad guys.

Disgusting and repulsive describes those who will support anything to tear America down by continuously attacking every traditional value because those values smack of their religious roots. </div></div>

What's truly astounding is that on 14 December, 2010 I posted a list of 137 documented Soviet agents working within the FDR and Truman regimes.

In one year three months and seven days they have yet to find a single innocent victim of senator McCarthy ... yet they remain convinced they simply <span style='font-size: 11pt'><u>MUST</u></span> exist!

Ask aitch if he'll tell you about how he witnessed McCarthy head the HUAC committee ... which he never even was a member of the house, and the hearings had been started before he was ever a member of the senate ... live on TV before WV had a single TV station and before aitch had ever been born.

It's simply astounding what propaganda can convince some people of.

Senator McCarthy's only obvious error was that he underestimated the number of Soviet agents at work.

LWW
03-23-2011, 02:19 PM
And still not a single innocent victim has been named?

LWW
03-23-2011, 02:22 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It really is amazing how the Left will first create a false history and then defend it when it is proved false. Even more interesting is that the false history always portrays our enemies as the good guys and those who want to expose them as the bad guys.

Disgusting and repulsive describes those who will support anything to tear America down by continuously attacking every traditional value because those values smack of their religious roots. </div></div>

How true, how true.

LWW
06-29-2011, 03:02 AM
All the talk about Ann Coulter reminded me of a couple of old threads.

Aitch, Snoopy, and Charlotte have all assured me that there was a laundry lst of innocent victims of senator McCarthy.

I know aitch has been looking for several years now ... I'm wondering how that search is coming along?

LWW
07-02-2012, 04:46 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This deserves its own thread.

Q </div></div>

It has it's own thread.

I'm cheering for you in your search for innocent victim of McCarthy.

Anything yet?