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Qtec
12-20-2010, 05:04 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The “U.S.” part of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce is a misnomer. As ThinkProgress reported, the Chamber represents dozens of foreign businesses in the United Kingdom, France, Germany, Russia, Bahrain, India, Brazil, and other countries. An investigation of the Chamber turned up recent fundraising documents from the Chamber soliciting foreign contributions to the Chamber’s 501(c)(6), the tax entity the Chamber used to run nasty campaign ads against Democrats earlier this year.

In September, <span style='font-size: 14pt'>the Chamber sent a letter officially opposing the 9/11 first responders bill, called the “James Zadroga 9/11 Health and Compensation Act of 2010.</span>” The Chamber warned that <span style='font-size: 17pt'>ending the tax loophole </span>would “damage U.S. relationships with major trading partners” and “aggravate already unsettled financial markets.” A lobbying disclosure filed with the Senate confirms the Chamber contacted lawmakers to help kill the bill. </div></div>


Here it is. This is the group that funds the GOP.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Letter <span style='font-size: 20pt'>Opposing a Provision, Included in H.R. 847, the "James Zadroga 9/11 Health and Compensation Act of 2010,"</span> Related to the Taxation of Foreign Owned Companies
Release Date:
Tuesday, September 28, 2010

TO THE MEMBERS OF THE U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES:

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the world’s largest business federation representing the interests of more than three million businesses and organizations of every size, sector, and region, urges that a provision related to taxation of foreign owned companies be removed from H.R. 847, the “James Zadroga 9/11 Health and Compensation Act of 2010,” because H.R. 847 is an inappropriate vehicle for such esoteric and unrelated concerns.

<span style='font-size: 20pt'>The Chamber strongly opposes a tax on foreign-owned companies doing business in the United States.</span> The provision included in H.R. 847 would raise taxes on foreign corporations that invest and create jobs domestically, would discourage foreign investment in the United States, override long-standing tax treaties, damage U.S. relationships with major trading partners, and could prompt retaliation by foreign governments against U.S. companies operating abroad.

Furthermore, the provision would further aggravate already unsettled financial markets. At a time when governments around the world are enhancing their companies’ competitiveness by cutting corporate taxes, this provision would create an even more hostile tax environment in the United States. Such a provision sends precisely the wrong message to those firms wanting to invest in America.

This taxation provision should not be shoehorned into H.R. 847, which is legislation targeted at the needs of some responders to the 9/11 terrorist attack. Should Congress seek to consider tax-related legislation during the few remaining session days before the election, the Chamber believes Congress should take up legislation that would help promote economic growth, especially legislation to extend all of the expiring 2001 and 2003 tax provisions and the tax provisions that expired at the end of 2009.

Sincerely,
R. Bruce Josten
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What he really meant was........ screw the saps who were too stupid to get any where near ground zero with all that toxic dust in the air............its there own fault....why should we give them a handout?

LWW
12-20-2010, 05:33 AM
So your "PROOF" is actually proof of what others have been telling you all along ... and which you have been arguing was false?

WOW! Just WOW!

LWW

Qtec
12-20-2010, 05:40 AM
You are babbling again. Explain .

Q

LWW
12-20-2010, 06:39 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You are babbling again. Explain .

Q </div></div>

It would be like Einstein explaining relativity to an ant.

LWW

Chopstick
12-20-2010, 07:07 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<span style='font-size: 20pt'>The Chamber strongly opposes a tax on foreign-owned companies doing business in the United States.</span> The provision included in H.R. 847 would raise taxes on foreign corporations that invest and create jobs domestically, would discourage foreign investment in the United States, override long-standing tax treaties, damage U.S. relationships with major trading partners, and could prompt retaliation by foreign governments against U.S. companies operating abroad.
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<span style="color: #000099">What does a tax on foreign companies have to do with health care? Aside from taxing foreign companies that are investing in the US economy being monumentally stupid, sticking it in a health care bill is equally stupid. I am glad they opposed it.

BTW. I know some of the folks at Chamber. I did some work on their systems.</span>

H.R. 847 (http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-111hr847eh/pdf/BILLS-111hr847eh.pdf)

pooltchr
12-20-2010, 07:21 AM
Exactly! There is no excuse for tying a tax bill to a bill designed to offer help for the 9/11 responders. One has nothing to do with the other. Adding a poison pill to any bill is the most disgusting game they play in Washington.

Steve

Chopstick
12-20-2010, 07:43 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Exactly! There is no excuse for tying a tax bill to a bill designed to offer help for the 9/11 responders. One has nothing to do with the other. Adding a poison pill to any bill is the most disgusting game they play in Washington.

Steve </div></div>

Didn't somebody promise to make that illegal?

pooltchr
12-20-2010, 09:13 AM
He promised a lot of stuff that hasn't happened!
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Transparency in government?
No back room deals?
3 days for the public to review all bills?
I could go on and on and on...

Steve

eg8r
12-20-2010, 10:53 AM
I sure wish any of this actually mattered. It would have been fantastic had it actually stopped the HC bill.

eg8r

LWW
12-21-2010, 05:17 AM
Amen.

LWW

LWW
12-21-2010, 05:20 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">He promised a lot of stuff that hasn't happened!
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Transparency in government?
No back room deals?
3 days for the public to review all bills?
I could go on and on and on...

Steve </div></div>

The left excuses him the way they excused Clinton.

Two instances I'll never forget on TV were Geo Stephonopoulus (SP?) explaining that Clinton wasn't a liar because he kept the promises he intended to keep ... the ones he broke were ones that he never intended to keep in the first place?

The second was Terry McAulliffe in early 2001 explaining that Bush was using a very unusual and unfair tactic ... he was doing what he said he would do on the campaign trail.

LWW

Qtec
12-21-2010, 06:24 AM
link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdVOMs59dow)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Health Insurance Costs Could Go Through the Roof

Posted on: Saturday, 17 December 2005, 00:00 CST

By JENNIFER HELDT POWELL

Health insurance for a family of four could cost a whopping $30,000 a year a decade from now unless drastic steps are taken to curb skyrocketing costs, according to a study to be released today.

Doctors and hospitals have to be more upfront about their charges and consumers must be pushed into being more cost conscious, according to the report by the Massachusetts Business Roundtable.

"Unless the system becomes more affordable, we're going to crash into a wall," said Alan MacDonald, head of the business group. </div></div>

It was the GOP who were against change, even when it was shown doing nothing would bankrupt the country. Obama tried. He could have done better but he tried.

Q

LWW
12-21-2010, 06:27 AM
The regime promised a $2,500.00 per year reduction in premiums.

Please explain how this is Bush and the republicans fault that it was a lie ... and I have no doubt that you can do this.

LWW

eg8r
12-21-2010, 09:30 AM
This HC bill is going to cost a lot more than 30k/family.

eg8r

LWW
12-21-2010, 04:38 PM
I blame Bush.

Everyone knows that dear leader fixed health care at age 3 ... and then Bush broke it again.

LWW

Qtec
12-21-2010, 09:02 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This HC bill is going to cost a lot more than 30k/family.

eg8r </div></div>

Any proof of that? Link?

Q..........you made it up, didn't you.

eg8r
12-21-2010, 10:21 PM
Make what up. Can you give us one example of Congress giving us a price and in the end we actually hit that price or do better? What good does a link do if the numbers are off already? Please use a little honesty in your response to these simple questions.

eg8r